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We dive into the top players that are likely to be moved by the 2024 trade deadline date of March 8, 2024. Will a goalie finally be dealt? Which teams will go all in? Will Chris Tanev finally end up with the Toronto Maple Leafs?
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Hello and welcome to overtime hockey talk. My name is Mark Paul. My co-host Justin Baker. Justin, how are you today? I'm good. I see your printer is doing fantastic back there.
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::People. OK, so today's show.
::You know, we're we're rapidly approaching trade deadline like we are here, right? We're we're what 22 and a little and a few weeks away. I think it's trade deadlines on a Friday.
::If I remember correctly, I think it's March the 8th. Yes, it is a Friday, so we're I guess we're two weeks and three days away from that trade deadline day. And you know I.
::Think it's there's been a few moves already. We've seen some. Some Calgary Flames dealt, but a lot more left to go.
::And and I I think.
::We want to just take.
::11:50 players that we kind of see as the most significant potential moves here at the deadline, and let's talk about where we think they're going to go, what's already out there as far as some room.
::To what teams are interested in? We know, though, that.
::You know, there's certain teams that seem to be always involved in everything and their names are just going to be on every single player and obviously the the Toronto Maple Leafs and the New York Rangers are not going to get 12 new players to populate their team. So we'll kind of give our our thoughts on where they'll go and if they'll be traded at all. There's a few names on this list that I think you know could be.
::Their potential trade players, but maybe not. So why don't we start with Calgary Flames? They seem to be the hottest ticket out there right now and you know they still.
::Have Tanev and Hannafin and Markstrom are probably the three biggest names that will get potentially moved by the Flames. At least two of those three. What do you think? Where? Where are we going? Let's start with the easy one. Let's start with NF because he's he has the lowest salary of the three, four and a half million.
::He's a 34 year old. He does have a no trade clause, but it limits him to 10 teams. So and and he obviously doesn't have a problem playing in Canada as he's played for a freaking every Canadian team so.
::Let's start with Cortana, where where you think?
::Yeah. You said the easiest one, right. I think even though he might be the easiest salary to move, he's going to be the hardest to predict just because for me, he he's a guy that I think every team could use, right? I mean, for one thing, he's a right-handed shot. Every team wants a right-handed defense, but it seems at trade deadline time. So. But I I think you'll be happy to hear from me. I think he's most likely going to end up.
::With the Toronto Maple Leafs, I I think all the rumors you hear, we've been hearing it for weeks now. I think that is the most likely destination and the one that makes to me the most sense.
::Yes, because yeah, obviously the leaves need D although let's let's pull it back here. Four games with no Morgan Riley. The Leafs are four and O.
::You know, two of those wins coming against the Blues. And it's, I mean, Austin Matthews has gone off. I think he has 8 gold in those four games.
::Or something like.
::He's now up to 49 after today's afternoon bout against the Blues scored #49, so he's well on his way to.
::Definitely having a career year and I I would venture to guess that seventy goals is. I mean it's very much in reach and it is crazy to think that somebody could score 70 goals.
::Yeah, in this day and age, it's it's good to see. Boy, I I don't think we've seen $0.70.
::All at all. Yeah. Yeah. The last one to do it. 70 what, 70? Or he at 85 and 82 or something, right.
::Right.
::Yeah, Tim Mussolini, I mean those.
::Were the days, but he was the.
::And you will be -37.
::Or something.
::No, actually, I think he was a plus, but it wasn't much of A plus. Yeah, I mean, when when it comes to Tanev, I mean, I think what we know is they would like a first round draft pick.
::And what we also know is the Leafs don't really have many of those on the horizon.
::So my guess is that they are going OK now. Toronto does have their 2024 they didn't have their what they didn't use their 2023, they traded, they traded their 2025, they have no third second round picks until 2027.
::So you know you're 2024 first round pick, especially in a year where things are a little iffy. Like I don't think we're we're in the conversation of like the Leafs are absolutely up contenders. I I don't think we're not.
::We could probably agree that could we see the Leafs getting to the finals if everything went really well for them? Sure, but are they better than the Panthers? No. Are they better than the Bruins? No. Are they better than Tampa? Yeah, I think that that's, you know, they're third in that division. And unless I I don't think that Chris Tanev.
::Takes them and makes them jump the Panthers.
::No, no, not at all. But you know, I I still think you know this is a team that can could seriously outscore opponents if they if they get into that kind of battle. And as long as they get some decent goaltending and you know, whether it's Martin Jones or or save zone off as long as they get decent goaltending. And I think, you know, this team can just.
::Yeah, or wall.
::That I think that that's ultimately the goal, although Samsonov has been playing pretty well. Yeah, they could just go off and score 6-7 goals a game, although that's not a recipe for.
::Success in the.
::Playoffs nine or nine? Yeah.
::Yeah, I mean, listen, we we know, you know Florida, they they're phenomenal up and down. But you know with Florida the one thing that I do worry about is you know, what happens if Bobrovsky reverts back to how he was, you know, a couple seasons ago, right? So.
::That could go downhill for them very quick and for for Boston, we know about their lack of center depth.
::You know, if for some reason you know Toronto can kind of figure it out a little bit on defense, get a piece like 10 have in there. I mean they've got the depth up front to outscore almost any.
::In the league and with the addition of Bertuzzi and Domi, I think on that third line it we could, even though it hasn't really generated a lot of regular season success, I think Bertuzzi is just going to shine in the playoffs, so this could be, you know, recipe for, you know, a a Toronto team to maybe make a deep run here.
::Yeah. And, you know, sometimes it's these years where you're, like, I don't know, those are the year that you finally pop off and you get your couple series wins and suddenly you're looking at this team totally different, especially.
::If you go out and you get a TNF, that really changes your lineup and you can, you can really shuffle guys around to where they should be. Jake McCabe has had a much better, I'll say last 25 games as opposed to the 1st 25 games of the season. He looks a lot more comfortable. Brody hasn't been the absolute disaster.
::That he was in the 1st 30 games, I think he's he's kind of come around a little bit, but ultimately, I mean Tanev would be a huge addition for the least mean Hannifin would be an even bigger addition. I just don't know.
::You have you you want to give up what it would take.
::And when it comes to TANF, though, I think what they're waiting on is some team to go, oh, we'll give you our first round pick because right now, no one's given a first round.
::Pick for canniff.
::Otherwise, we'd be gone already, so we know that teams are probably like when I look at the Leafs.
::Pick futures.
::What are they offering? They're offering maybe two third round picks.
::Would be my guess. I've heard that it's multiple picks, so maybe it's two third round picks in like.
::A fifth well, the other thing you're going to have to think about too, right? You know, I'm sure. A-Team like Calgary is probably asking about Matthew Nyes. Maybe Nick Robertson, right? They're they're they're asking not to say that Toronto's going to give those assets up, but the one thing that I think most people.
::Forget about a a deal like this is Toronto's gonna need a third team to facilitate and take some money, right? You know Toronto right now sitting at $1.3 million in terms of cap space at the deadline. And that's not enough to get Tan's deal done. So to me, they're going to need a third team to step in here. And so teams are going to wait.
::As we get closer to deadline and try to milk a fourth, maybe a third round pick out of a, you know, out of Toronto to to keep 25.
::Percent of that contract.
::Yeah, absolutely, that's.
::That's what will have to happen unless they can. You know, unless they move out on another roster player, which at this point a roster player coming off the defense, you know, I I guess you do have Klingberg, who's now on LTIR, which which does help but.
::There's not really anybody that you're like. Oh, well, we just gotta deal that guy like, there's there's nobody. There's nobody there who's really going to help other than, you know, like you. It's not like you want to deal with Conor Timmins, who has been when he's healthy, he's been pretty decent and he's only a 1.1 million cap hit. You don't want to give up somebody who's cheap and is.
::You've been able to kind of make them productive enough to where?
::They're. Yeah, so that that's going to be a tough place to come from. The only, I mean, the ideal world is maybe don't sign Ryan Reeves to a three-year 1.3.
::You bought.
::But you could also bury him.
::You know at deadline time you just go, hey, Ryan, we're.
::We got to send you down to the minors so that we can recoup your money and we'll, we'll call you back up in the in the playoffs.
::That's probably what you're going to do, right? Like he's he has not been good. He's been fine. Like at times, you know, he provides that little bit of sandpaper that they need, but he's been very ineffective in general. So I think that's a likely move at the.
::In line. That's the only thing I can think of to get them an extra 1,000,000 bucks and that would do it. Probably do it right there. Like that gets you pretty darn close if you're able to send him down and all the better if somebody claims him.
::All the better.
::You love if you love it, if somebody is willing to claim them. OK, alright. So Tana, maybe to the leaves. Any other team that? Let's say he doesn't go to Toronto. What team do you think might be willing to give up a first round pick for Chris Tanev?
::Who might be willing?
::Well, I.
::Even the fact that the Leafs don't even have.
::A second round pick, maybe somebody is willing to give up a second and the third.
::I could see a a Dallas Star team potentially making a move. I think you know they they've been wanting to to find themselves a right-handed shot defenseman because let's face it, in an ideal world you want, you know, right, left, right, left on on your deep pairings. And so move heisting him back over to his natural side on the left. Right. So if you can find a guy who can play top 4 minutes and and give you that.
::Production, not necessarily from an offensive production standpoint, but that defensive production. So you don't have to rely on a guy like Ryan Souter to play 25 minutes a night. I think Dallas would be great. They'd be a good fit. I know Thomas Harley has been great this year, but.
::You know, again, he's he's not a guy that I think they want to rely upon.
::On a top.
::Line you know, situation against the team's best. You know Connor Mcdavid's or, you know, Jack Eichels in the playoffs. So Dales could be a team. I could see step in and potentially give up some assets for this.
::And I love that because that would be a very Jim Nill move to make where everybody's talking about all this guys going to go to Toronto, this guys gonna go to like plenty of teams that are maybe a little more like New Jersey, Florida. I've heard Tampa out there for.
::And if all those teams make sense, but it would be a very Dallas move to go, you know what, let's just go grab kristanna and then go in the cup kind of thing.
::Yeah, it's. I mean, and Jim, Neal's just hit on seemingly everything lately. I mean, look at that Matt Duchene signing 55 points in the 54 games, Dallas is just, you know, they're sneaky good and they they have just have the sneaky ability to.
::Stay in. Stay relevant for a much longer time than I think we thought they would like when they went to the finals in what? What was that 2020 COVID year that it kind of seemed like that might be their last.
::Couple year.
::Like that group was starting to age out, you know Sagan and Ben and and it was like their final thing. Kind of like, almost like Montreal, a little bit was too where it was.
::They're they're going all the way like.
::Ruining guys the rest of their career just to play in the finals, Iche Webber and the Dallas Stars.
::Others have, like they, essentially rebuilt a brand new team without ever being bad and like constantly being Stanley Cup contenders. And now they're probably better than they were that year.
::That's what drafting will do for you.
::Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. And and honestly, if there's one hole that they have, it's that they don't have that.
::Super efficient defenseman that just does everything really well and you can put anyone with them and they're going to do great. And it's not like Ryan Suiter could be that maybe was that guy at one point. I don't know that he's that guy anymore. He got to protect him a little bit more. I I just think, Christina, you're right. I mean, I I haven't heard Dallas.
::Anywhere near Christiana.
::That I think that it's a fantastic observation and and it wouldn't surprise me like we go to deadline day and all of a sudden tan has a.
::A Dallas star.
::And we go.
::Well, of course it made perfect sense.
::And they do have, you know, they've got their first and second round pick this year. No third, third or fourth. But they've got picks in the high rounds. So you know, maybe that's a second. And the third from Dallas and maybe you're.
::I don't know you just or or Dallas has somebody, somebody else that you like who can build around. So yeah, I I like that move. Let's go to.
::With Calgary Flames, let's let's go Noah Hannifin, because that's obviously a a much bigger move, but a very important player.
::UFA at the end of the year. Not much difference in terms of salary this year in terms of the CAP hit 4.95, but in terms of the hall, you're going to get a whole lot more for Noah Hannifin and I don't know that you're making that move without having an extension in place.
::Yeah, I agree with you 100% and that's why I think Detroit's the team to beat for this. This assessment right now.
::OK, tell me not.
::Yeah, I I think it's time for eiserman to say, you know what, this is your year, I believe in you guys. We're taking that next step, right. And the one thing I think Detroit has lacked, they they obviously can score goals right there. They're top ten in the league as far as you know, goal scoring is concerned, but they just they have most sider.
::But they don't have.
::That true top defensive or even top?
::Four left-handed.
::Defenseman, you know, Gostisbehere has been great on the power play, but he's a guy you're not rolling out there in your top four and even strength, right, they've got Simon Edmondson coming, but maybe you bring in a guy like Hannifin so you don't have to rush him. You can still put him on your third pairing or put him on your second pairing and let Hannifin and most cider take a bulk of the minutes. And so, you know, Detroit.
::Has been bad for a while, so they've got a lot of prospects in the cupboard, so you could dangle out a guy like, you know, Marco Casper, who, you know, I think, you know, Calgary would love to get a guy who could potentially be a number 2 Center for them, you know.
::Maybe next year or or even the year after that. So and then they've got draft picks. So now you could throw a, you know, a 2025 first and with that and maybe even go as far as throw a guy like Robbie Fabbri in there. Right, guy who just for whatever reason has been great good in Detroit but not great. So he just never seems to find his spot in the lineup. So would be an easy guy to just jettison.
::And Calgary I I think would be more than willing to take on that kind of money and a guy who they could flip next year for even more assets.
::Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, you're right. Detroit has the the picks. And I think Marco Casper would probably be a guy that they would push to get. I don't know that Heisman is willing to give him up. I don't know that he should.
::Because I mean, you take what maybe we just talked about the Dallas Stars. They did not go out and trade their top prospects, IE Jason Robertson, Groupe hints. You know, they they kept those guys around, didn't move them. And lo and behold, they're the stars of the team now. I think that that's what you're hoping for. And Marco Casper.
::But using those picks, I mean if you can, you can kind of now would you be willing?
::To move and an Edmonton for Noah Hannifin.
::No, it's fine.
::Like a maybe not a one for one, but like Evanson and a second round pick or something like that for Noah Hannifin. If Hannafin signed for the next eight years.
::No, I I I you know what? I I I don't think that Detroit has they have other good defensive prospects but not great one.
::And Edmonton Edmondson is really the only really great defensive prospect they have right now. Now I could be wrong and there's, you know, a few other guys, maybe a William Wallander, right? Who could you know or Jared Mcisaac could turn out to be a really good, you know, defensive prospect. But right now, Edwinson is he's the cream of the crop. Right. And I I think he's the.
::One guy you're not.
::Parting ways with or that's almost untouchable. Not necessarily. Completely untouchable, but, but he's pretty damn close right now. If if I'm Detroit.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would agree. I I don't think especially.
::Even adding Hannifin, the wings aren't winning the cup.
::I know, I know, it's nice. They're top ten in in scoring in the league. I see them very much as a similar situation to the Seattle Kraken.
::You know, obviously far different franchises, but you're looking at a team that is doing a lot of scoring by by committee. They've got a lot of nice depth, a lot of second to third line guys sprinkled everywhere in.
::The lineup, and I'll, you know, Larkin, fantastic player the brink. It's been great. Patrick Kane has brought a new element. One he's healthy, but I still see this team as. Yeah, they're they're good. I I don't think they're going to get swept in the first round either. Like, I mean, they're going to take on what probably the Bruins.
::Or the Rangers in round one is kind of what it looks like.
::If they make the playoffs.
::And do I see them beating them? No, but I don't see them getting swept. I could see like a six game series and maybe them putting A5 spot up on one of those teams in one of those games. So I I don't think that they're in a bad spot. I just don't think that they're ready to take that huge leap and go win the series.
::Quite yet against those teams.
::No, no, no, I agree. And that's why if you're if you're bringing in a guy like Hannifin, right, you want to sign and trade, you want him extended because he is going to be a guy. You know, again, that you want to build around for, you know, that defensive corps, the next few years.
::Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All right, well, final.
::Well, I guess you, you think Detroit, any other teams where you think that he might end up? I could see New Jersey. I think that's the one place where I I kind of look and go in New Jersey could really use a a Noah Hannifin and I think he wants to go.
::To the US.
::Like that would be my knock on Toronto is the.
::They're another Canadian team and I think.
::He probably wants to.
::Go to the US. Yeah. Yeah. New Jersey would be a good fit, I think. I mean again they they could use help. And I I like what they had back there, right. Between Simone Nemnich and and Luke Hughes. Those are all great players. But are they playoff ready? I don't know. Right. They're not playoff tested. So you know, Hannifin would be a guy that could bring in that leadership aspect that they maybe lack a little bit.
::Yeah. And then I mean, you got a a healthy Dougie Hamilton and suddenly your defense is your one of your strong points. Yeah, you'd. You'd have to give up a lot. I'm thinking, are you willing to give up Jeremy Bratt?
::If you're New Jersey, because that's probably where it's gonna have to. Like, you're gonna have to take away from that forward group.
::In order to get that done.
::Just for Brett. Oh, no way. No. Oh, no way. No, not.
::At all I.
::I I mean, I could see maybe moving on.
::I heard his.
::Name out there for Hannifin. That's why I bring it up.
::OK. Yeah. I mean, I could see them potentially moving off a guy like, I don't know if you know, Calgary is really going to take it in UFA's back in this deal. So you'd have to bring somebody with, you know, with some term, right?
::I don't know. Maybe they get, maybe they get crazy and they they swing a team on Meyer, right and.
::Get him out.
::Of there because he just he.
::Just doesn't seem to be working out for me in New Jersey.
::But you are 12,000.
::Country. I feel like they're the same. A lot of the same vibe. Like, here's a guy who never.
::Put up huge numbers, put up big numbers one year and like they they both have the same vibe to them. To me, like not quite #1 center type of players, but they pretend they are top six forwards. But are they the guys you want leading your team?
::My favorite scene here.
::Yeah, it's. Oh, yeah, we'll see.
::OK, last Calgary, Calgary flame. Markstrom, do you think he gets moved at the?
::Deadline I do I I think Jersey is all but set for this one. In my opinion, I think they had. I mean they had a deal in place. They asked Mark trim to waive his no trade clause and he did. And apparently the deal fell through. Now I don't know. You know, specific what details were in that what you know what?
::Pieces were going back and forth, but I I got to think they figure out a way to to get this work.
::Yeah. Because to me, yes. You know, it would be nice if Nico Daws comes up and is a nice little story, but I'm not counting on any of their goaltenders right now to carry them through the playoffs and and with what you have right now, as far as talent up front and on the back end and with.
::The healthy Hamilton.
::You got to do something with that goaltending, in my opinion.
::He would be huge and it would be, yeah, it wouldn't be the first time that the Devils have made a move with the flames. They did.
::This last.
::Off season so and you know the Devils just seemed to get their goalies from Western Canada. Cory Schneider came from the canal.
::And that's, uh, would be be a little trend there, OK.
::The Flames, I, you know, I think we'll see probably guys move before like sooner than later. Just they gotta get this done and over with like time to time to call this good that little that little stretch where it was like ohh hey maybe they can make the playoffs is like guys they're not going to make the playoffs this is one of those like.
::See all the pressures off? Let's just go have fun. And they had fun for a.
::Little bit and it's.
::Yeah, you can't play like that forever. And this, they're not going to make the playoffs. Time to move on and and rebuild here in Calgary like you already started to do.
::Eric Senko with the Ottawa Senators looks like he's moving on.
::What's a good fit for Tarasenko?
::I'll tell you what I actually considered the Blues for a minute because they're they're kind of heating up a little bit, but I think the ideal pick for him would be to to see him in the the Carolina Hurricanes unit.
::All right.
::I really like the possibility of a of Russian first line with technika off and Tarasenko with the host centering that line. I think that would just be just so much fun to watch in my opinion.
::Yeah, you get some hands with the speed, you know, you can. Tarasenko wouldn't have to be. He doesn't have to play the speed game at all. He kind of go into the corners and he can. He can be that guy who's posts up in front of the net like he does and uses his hands.
::Yeah. Work good work.
::Yep, I like it and and The thing is too is, you know, again paisano's got a no trade clause. So he picks where he wants to go. But I think you could probably get it done with a future 1st and maybe a a a mid to late round pick here.
::Yeah. And I'm.
::I don't know that it takes much more than a first round pick. I mean, if he gets a first round pick.
::Yeah. I I I think it you know as they get closer to the deadline I think because again he's controlling the cards that could hurt, you know, Ottawa's negotiating power right where he wants to go. If they want to get anything back from him. So you could potentially see like a second and third round pick, maybe make it, you know, getting moved for a guy like Tarasenko, but.
::I mean I I think you know, again, Ottawa doesn't have to do anything. Yeah, Ottawa doesn't have to do anything though, so maybe they just go to and say, hey, we'll move you where you want to go, but you've got to let us try to, you know, try to squeeze something out of you. Right. So I don't.
::No trade clause, right?
::Yeah, yeah, my guess. I mean, you know, 5,000,000 bucks, you're gonna have to hold on to two and a.
::Half of that so.
::And Carolina could make it work, even with the full 5,000,000 bucks.
::If they wanted to.
::Yes, that is true.
::So that's even less assets they have to.
::Give up, but you're likely. You know, if you're Carolina and you're trading for Tarasenko, it's probably not your only move.
::You're probably make another.
::Now they're going to look at a goaltender, I think too, but we'll see.
::But yeah, Tarasenko, I think you're probably in the in the like 2 second round picks. I like I I don't know if it's me. I don't know that I'm trading a first round pick for Tarasenko.
::I really don't. I don't think I'm up that even if it's 32nd overall, I don't want to give up my well if I win the cup, it's OK. But 30 like 30th overall I I I just don't think that he's worth giving that up for.
::For where he's going to have to slot in your lineup like you look at good teams and you're like, alright, well, what's this gonna do like? Is he really going to play on the top line? Like, yes, it would be cool and all Russian first line in Carolina. But is that really where he's going to end up? We don't know what happens if he ends up on your third line. Are you willing to give up a first round pick for a third liner?
::You know who can who can hop on the power play? I don't know that I am like, I would rather use that first round pick and and try and honestly, I'd rather have can have than for first round pick than Tarasenko first first for a lot.
::For a first year.
::I don't disagree with you there at all. I guess it just really comes down to again, you know what teams can afford to bring on that CAP hit or who's willing to, you know, who's willing to give up that first round pick? Right. I mean, if some team going to get desperate enough because there are some, you know, we'll, we'll talk about a few of them. There's a few winners out there that still can produce and score a few goals, but maybe everybody's waiting right for.
::For maybe like a guy like Jake Gensel or or even Jordan Eberle, right to to get moved first before they really pulled the trigger on a Tarasenko.
::Yeah, the tarasenko's maybe that like B level forward or even C level forward as opposed to you're right like a Jordan Eberly, Jake, Jake Getzel, I mean, obviously Jake Getzel, if you can trade for getzel.
::And sign him to an extension. I mean, that's the money maker right there. That's if you have Hannifin on defense, you've got gensel on forward. Well, let's just jump into gensel, because if he's the first piece that maybe needs to fall and and it certainly doesn't look like the Penguins are.
::Are going to make any.
::Kind of impact here in the playoffs, you know, it's.
::I don't know if you're the Penguins. I I I in in your gensel. You got to be looking at this like. I mean, I could re sign here and probably.
::Make the playoffs half the time.
::You know, maybe in the next five years you're going to make the playoffs 3.
::Times with this group.
::Like you're gonna have some years that are better and some years that are worse and who knows what happens in two years. Crosby still going hard. But is Crosby going to be the best player on the like still a top ten player in the league in a year or two?
::I I think he's pretty quickly moving down that list, not for any fault of his own, but just, I mean, there's young new talent coming to the league. He's in his late 30s and it's just, you know, it's time for other people to kind of take that gauntlet doesn't mean that he's not an effective player, but can he be the best player?
::Should he be the best player on your team anymore? If you're going to be a Stanley Cup contender? Probably not.
::Well, the other thing is, too is they're they're prospect coverage are bare, right they don't have assets. So is this against will move right your way if you're you know if you're management and Kyle Dubas to say, you know what, let's let's restock a little bit. Let's get three or four good pieces out of gensel and move him whether he resigns or, you know, takes an extension of sign and trade or not.
::Just move him now right to a team that's willing to to pay him. Because if I'm Denzel, too, right. That's the other thing. You know? Again, going back to the the prospects coming up, there's not a lot in the cupboards there. So you don't know if you're even going to get any better in the next three to five years anyways.
::Well, and let's say, guess who wants this?
::If Jensen Jake Kensal wants to sign, I'm signing. But if he, if he's, you know, trying to squeeze me for 10 million bucks, I'm not giving Jake Denzel 10 million bucks. We all saw what happened to Jonathan Huberto.
::Oh, sure.
::Right. I'll give him 8 * 8 and call it good.
::Yeah. And I think probably on the open market, he could get more.
::Probably looking at 99 like I I'm yeah cause.
::OK.
::You're looking at, you know what did Kneeland or sign for 11?
::I I don't think you're you're putting. Where do you? Where do you go? Gensel. Newlander like Newlander is definitely a little notch above, but not too far above gensel. I think the difference is it seems like gensel has always played with really good players whereas.
::Neil Neil under has but Newlander is also like he's not the one playing with Matthews and Marner all day long, he's playing with all the other guys that they just continually rotate out with them. I mean, hey, good players play with other good players, right? It's it's not always a not a fair thing to say. Well, he's he plays with other good players.
::So does so does Crosby so does Malkin. So does McDavid the best player in the world plays with?
::The other best player in the world.
::So yeah, I think if where do you think Denzel goes, I mean that's it's probably the hardest one for me to nail down like.
::Yeah, I I agree with you. But so there was one team though that you you kind of mentioned it earlier, right? Making a splash, it's kind of his MO. I could see Dallas making a play and maybe if they do like an extension of sign and trade, they could move a guy like Ty Dellandrea out.
::To make this happen and make it worth Pittsburgh's, you know, make it worth their while to to pull the trigger on this. And I mean, could you imagine, I mean, you know, again when when Joe Pass slowly aging out, I mean whenever that's going to happen when he's 4550.
::Years old. Who knows?
::But now you can slowly put Jake Gensel back up on that top line to to fill his spot and.
::And you don't have to really worry about that top line slowing down at all.
::Yeah. No, I I like that a lot.
::Yeah, that's that's a that's a great spot, I think.
::You, you wonder, would Pittsburgh be willing to trade in the division? You know, I that would be a a big question mark for me. Like, of course, I could see, like the Islanders could use a guy like Jake Ginsel, someone who can actually just go, you know, give me the puck. I can, I can shoot it from somewhere on the ice and act and score like we don't need to grind, grind, grind, grind.
::Yeah, those.
::Brian, for every goal Jake Denzel can actually just score because he has a great shot.
::Yeah, that's I. I just wonder if they would be willing to trade indivision. If not, I could also see Denzel being a really good piece.
::In Minnesota, but I don't know that Minnesota can do it right now.
::Yeah, that's tough with their cap situation.
::Well, yeah, that that one give me your percent. Like what? What chances do you think that he's dealt at the deadline?
::I'll go 35%.
::OK, OK. You. So you think there's a good chance he resigns in Pittsburgh?
::No, I think there's a good chance it just goes to the offseason where they want to keep them because they're just hovering below that playoff bubble, right? And so, you know, of course, keeping him as your trade deadline acquisition, if you're Pittsburgh, but it just kind of bombs they sail and then we go into the.
::Offseason and Nope, bye.
::Oh, that'd be very Kyle Koopas.
::Yeah, Gary Kyle dubas. OK, let's let's move right along here to to our next UFA. Let's. Well.
::Let's go to UC Soros.
::His name has been out there. The Predators are, I mean.
::It's not as if they're.
::So far out of the playoffs by any means, but they have been struggling as of late, you know.
::Trots coming out and kind of saying like.
::We gotta we. We need to be better. Like we. We need to play this more responsible game. We need to actually come out and and try for our fans. I think it's telling and it does make me wonder, you know is.
::I mean, he'd be the biggest, the biggest get on the predators and he would provide a ton of extra assets. He's a UFA in two years, makes 5 million this season and next year, what do you think about do you see sorrows getting dealt with the deadline?
::Ohh I more or less I'm probably 80% that he's going to get dealt in the offseason versus at the deadline, but the one team that I looked at when, when when you started mentioning right cause whenever I look at trade deadlines, I always typically tend to go like guys from the West are going to end up in the east and vice versa, but.
::I could really see it because of the whole situation and I don't know what's going on with it. With Carter Hart, I could see it. She looked silly, yeah.
::Yes, I was doing the same thing.
::They should squeeze him in and they could potentially move a guy like Erson back the other way.
::Or yeah, which, which Nashville wouldn't be super mad about I.
::I would wonder though this this is this would be the difficulty. Well, you're Philadelphia. You're definitely still in a rebuild, even though you're about to.
::Make the playoffs.
::I think the issue for me would be well, there's no guarantee that this guy stays past next season.
::You would have to get some serious buy in somehow, like it's almost better to trade for a guy who's a UFA at the end of the year, cause you could resign him, right? Like you could sign him to an extension, but you can't sign sorrows to an extension and I think that that's actually what's going to hold this up to the offseason as well is that if you're going to trade for him, you want to know that.
::Extensions in place.
::If you're going to give up the kind of assets that Nashville is.
::Going to be asking for. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be 29 when he's eligible for, you know, to to resign. So of course you could get this guy signed for, you know, a six year extension till he's 35. If you wanted to. So yeah, I agree with you. I think this will probably run into the off season just because again I think.
::It's just it's a big gamble for a guy like you. See sorrows to to make sure that he stays there. You're gonna pay a pretty penny. I mean, I know the goaltending market isn't what it used to be, but for guys like that that have Vezina Trophies and they're they're clear cut number ones when you don't have, like, a #1 be where you know you're going to do like a A, you know, a swaying in all mark situation.
::It's it's going to cost.
::You a few bucks.
::Hey, how about Teemo Meyer for UC Saros.
::I don't know if Barry Trotz is down for that, but I don't know if Timo Meier is the defensive guy that I think trots would love to have, but.
::Yeah, yeah.
::Yeah, but I mean, they would solve your goaltending problems real quick for, well, maybe what if it was like Timo Meyer and a first round pick?
::Oh, I don't think New Jersey would do that. No, I think there's cheaper options than giving up a rush. I mean, don't get me wrong, Myers team or Meyer hasn't worked out very.
::Well, but he's still in serviceable.
::Yeah, you did yourself of $8.8 million.
::But does.
::Now I don't know what Nashville wants. His would want his his contract, but I mean, hey, you bring him in and suddenly you've got a guy who can.
::Maybe it just needs a different change of scenery. It's just obviously not working in New Jersey, but he's not that far from removed from good seasons I.
::Mean last year?
::So yeah, it would be an interesting, interesting thought, although I could see a little bit of backlash.
::Because he just signed an 8 year deal and then to try and go and flip the guy.
::It's sort of rude a little. You know, it's a little rude. Like you're not even going to give me one year to get my my bearings and figure out myself here. Like, I don't know. Yeah, like, do you want to give up on a team or Meyer that quickly would be the other side of it. But hey, for you, silos, if the devil side, UC Soros.
::Suddenly they're.
::They're a different team. They're much different team. It's funny that last year they made the playoffs and their goaltending was good, and we all went, oh, see, they're good and then their goaltending was bad again. So either they have bad goaltending or there's something really wrong with their system.
::Because their goalies can't seem to.
::Play well in front of this team or behind this team. Just a thought. I'm Speaking of the Devil's a former devil, Adam Henrique. Where do you think he's going?
::On the Anaheim Ducks, of course.
::Oh, I I see Colorado overpaying for a guy like this just because they need a second line center so badly. I mean, Ryan Johansson, I think 2 games ago got bumped all the way down to the 4th line. So that tells you how much or how well it's working out in Colorado for him right now. So they need somebody to man that second line center position. They can't find it.
::And really, because the the center market is so bare, they're going to overpay, they're going to at least give up a first rounder for Adam Henrique.
::Sorry about that, yes.
::I think you might be able to get away with a second round pick for Henrique because I don't know that anyone else out there is is asking like is anyone else out there saying let's give up a first round pick for Adam Henrique? I don't think so. I don't know if they're willing to give it up, but if you want Adam Henrique because he is a guy who can play.
::All four positions. He's so good offensively. I mean, not so good offensive, but he's so good defensively and good offensively. He's very good at draws. He's a Swiss army. Now that I think a lot of teams are gonna covet, especially guys like or teams like maybe Minnesota.
::You know, you could even see once shocked me to see if Tampa Bay or Vegas or in on a guy like him too. But yeah, so it might might end up being like a bidding war for a guy again because that center market is so bare.
::Interesting. Yeah. I I I guess if it's me, I'm willing to give up.
::A couple third round picks for Henry.
::That's probably where I stop.
::And and if I'm Colorado, I know Colorado needs help at the center position.
::Man, it's hard for me to look at Colorado and see a team that's going to win the cup this year.
::I don't stuff.
::I don't like go and trade for Adam Henrique. Are they all of a sudden cup contenders?
::I don't think so.
::I I think Colorado, well, they'll make moves. I think the moves that they they need to make are going to be much more future moves than a move right now actually.
::So here's so here's the thing, though they potentially could get Landis Scott back in the second round, say you getting to choose come back at some point right, too all of a sudden you get 2 top six guys you're bringing in Henrik, you figure out.
::Your second line center spot.
::Now this thing doesn't look so bad with that defense. And maybe if you have can figure it out.
::OK. All right. Yeah. They just got to get to the second.
::Round you just.
::Gotta. It's got to beat what? It's either going to be Dallas or Winnipeg or yeah, that's going to be the the tough part. You got to be Hella Buck and that's not going to be an easy to.
::Ask. OK, let's see where else can we go? Let's do Jordan Eberly.
::As we we'll do a couple more. Jordan Eberly, the Seattle crack and he's, you know, one of the many OG's for the the crack in there and in the expansion draft, he has $5.5 million cap.
::And he's a UFA.
::At the end of the year, he does have a no trade clause. He submits A16 team no trade clause, so that's a pretty sizable. We have to league. Where do you think Jordan Eberley ends up?
::I think he's going home to Edmonton, honestly.
::Yeah, I I mean, don't get me wrong. Corey Perry has been a a great story, a good signing, but he's not a top line guy, right? I don't want him riding, you know, right side with Leon Dry side.
::David, I want him on that third line with, you know, you know Warren Fogel or, you know, Matthias Janmark, Sam, Kanye, you know, Dylan Holloway. I want him in that bottom 6, right? Cause that's where he is most valuable in my opinion, is to provide that depth scoring where you chip in once every, you know, two or three.
::Games. You get that.
::Just timely goal like he did in Tampa.
::That's where I want him and I would love to see a guy like Eberley on that top line. He can still skate, he's responsible defensively and he can still move the puck and shoot so.
::I mean, he's due for a raise, so he's not getting extended or he's not going to be there, you know, longer than this season. But I think, you know, he's familiar with the city. He's familiar with the town. It would be a great story. I think they would love to have him back. And and I don't think it's going to cost more than, you know, maybe a second round pick. And you know, maybe a late round pick with it.
::Yeah, I I mean, I think it would be really, Jordan Eberle is one of those moves that any team that's going to go walk into the playoffs that needs any kind of forward depth should be looking at. It's really the only number that's going to be scary is even half, half his number is is still 2.7.
::5 million a lot for for many of these teams to fit under the CAP. So you're almost certainly talking about a second team which still only is going to bring it down to just under 1.4, which I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but there's a lot of teams that even that is pushing it, especially if they're going to go out and grab a defenseman, which it seems like.
::Any team that's going to contend for the cup always goes out and trades for one defense.
::You know, you just gotta you gotta build the cupboards a little more for the defense. Been walking into the playoffs cause you know someone's getting hurt.
::Right.
::But Jordan never really be a great pickup for any team, and I think you're right. I think you're probably in and around 1/3, maybe a second round pick toss in 1/5.
::To to sweeten the deal. But granted, you're going to have to give up that fifth round pick to someone else to take that extra money as well. So I I would like to move. I think there's a lot of teams that could use, apparently the New York Islanders included, which was the team that he left. I don't know if he, you know, is he willing to go back to New York?
::I would guess that he would be.
::He had kind of revitalized his career there in New York, so it wouldn't be the worst place either for him. Let's do one more.
::Anthony Duclair, let's do it.
::OK, Anthony Duclair, I mean.
::It hasn't really.
::Hasn't been great there in San Jose, but.
::I think he's he's probably wishing that he could be on.
::A on a team that's going to win.
::After, after what he experienced in Florida, any chance he goes back to Florida?
::There's a slight chance I'm not. You know, I would maybe put that at like 5%. I I think you know again you know he he pairs well with with Alexander Barkoff. But I think that you know they've they've got a good thing going on right now and if I'm Florida, I'm not trying to really, you know upset that forward group too much. You know, maybe you get a bottom.
::This guy, but I think they're more or less focused on.
::Defense in Florida, but.
::Maybe a novel over a glare? Yeah. Although the guy you know, I mean, that's something that you can't write off as a if you, you know, a guy works in your system, not a horrible git.
::Crew, right? But I think the way he you know, again fit with with Barkoff, right. If you decided that that was the guy you wanted the target even if you want to bring him in and start him off on your third line, you know with maybe, you know Anton Lundell or something. If for some reason, right they, you know things are aren't really going so well in your top line you can move to clear up and you know he's going to you know.
::Have quick chemistry with a guy like Barkov, but for me I I look at Duclair and I looked exactly to a team that I think needs a right winger more than anybody else and that's the New York Rangers. They lose Blake Wheeler for the season, right? We don't know. You know, capo capo, I'm not.
::Sold on him as far as the top six guys yet Alex Lafreniere looked really good with Panera and Trocheck, so I'm not breaking that up. But you know, Duclair is a guy who I think can skate and still play, so he could be with, you know, pair up, pair up with Kreider and Zibanejad and, you know, maybe finally, you know, find a guy in the right wing that you know could play well with that top line now.
::To his credit, you know Blake Wheeler has looked good. You know his last, you know, dozen and a half games. But again, he's he's out for the year, so.
::Yeah. You know, I don't know if he's if, you know, his injuries gonna let him come back this, you know, playoff. But I think they they have to find something now instead of waiting at it because a team like Carolina, for example, is going to start creeping up on you pretty quick.
::Yep, and not to mention like new jerseys getting healthy again. Like there, there's there's some movement happening and and the Rangers I I won't say the Rangers are fortunate to be where they are because I think they're probably right around where they should be. I think we thought that they would be one of.
::The top two.
::Teams in the division, but there are. There are definitely some teams getting.
::Healthy in the metro.
::So they they probably and they and other teams that will make moves at the deadline.
::One more name.
::Because I think that he might be the sneakiest name of them all and might make the biggest difference at deadline for forwards, and that is Vetrano, Frankie Vetrano. Ducks. He's been scoring real well this year on a on a garbage dumpster fire team.
::You know, you talk about the Rangers. There's one more. Yeah, one more. Well, you can't get too clear. I mean, there's the. The upside is that there's several of these guys that you could go out and grab and it would probably be a good.
::So that should drive the cost down a little bit, but I think Frankfurt, the thing I like about Vetrano is.
::He is and he is one of those.
::Guys who could?
::Just score from anywhere like he is the puck. He's got the shot to do it. He's one of the few guys who I'd say is like he's more of that like specialty, middle 6 type of player and you can play in the third line. You can bump them up and and have him play kind of up in your top six. But he really can score.
::Anywhere and uh, it just takes one shot from him. He's got a he's got an elite level shot. Uh, and sometimes in the playoffs, that's you need to win. You know, you get a guy who can just rip one and he scores a few like that and you know that that's what helps you move on. So Frank Vatrano, any any idea where you think he might go?
::Yeah, Rangers could be a good fit. I could also see him going back to Florida, right? He spent five years there before getting dealt to the Rangers in 21.
::22 but.
::Gosh, outside of those two teams, I mean, maybe the New York Islanders, right, take a stab at him. But the nice thing is, is he's signed for another year right at 3.6. So if you get a guy who could put up 50 points, 25 goals for $3.6 million.
::There's a lot of teams that could, you know, pull a trigger.
::On a guy like this.
::Yeah. Yeah. And I think when it comes to Vetrano, because he signed in the next year, you may be willing to to shuffle out a roster player who's not working for you and bring him in, which, you know, not that, not that New York is going to go and give up capital Coco for.
::In Toronto alone.
::But you know, maybe there's a Adam Henrique and Vetrano for Capo Coco, and you can bring those two guys in. They're hungry and and they provide you with a ton of depth and you can kind of wash your hand. Maybe you need Anaheim throws in a draft pick as well, but if Anaheim walks away and has a guy who's a former second overall pick.
::And maybe a revitalization revitalization project. You know, you might be talking about a A match made in heaven.
::Yeah, I'll tell you what. If I'm a team and I can fit him under the CAP and Anaheim again, they've got pieces to move, but Silverberg would be another really good name. I think he's just, he's so good at both ends of the ice, even though he's not producing offensively, I think he would be somebody else. I would take a a little peek at too, even.
::Though again, it's kind of pricey as far as.
::Big money. Yeah, you have to. You have to get that money knocked.
::Off twice for sure.
::But, but it's doable. Yeah, for for a third round pick. And for a guy who killed penalties, you know, if you're looking for somebody who can kill penalties, he's he's in that conversation. All right, well, you know, trade deadlines coming up in 2 1/2 weeks. So we'll keep on.
::Hitting the pavement, finding out more about what's going on with these trades and as they as they come out, we'll analyze those as well. You can find us on Twitter, at OT, hockey talk, Justin, any final thoughts?
::Nope. Alright, alright.
::All right, all right.
::Thanks to our listeners for listening and we.
::Will chat with you soon.
