In this episode, I explore the landscape of primary education in Ireland, focusing on the outcomes of the INTO Congress, the ongoing conversations regarding gender identity in schools, and the looming uncertainties over the primary school book grant scheme. I delve into the controversies surrounding teacher compensation for overseas work, the dominance of religious control in education, and the societal response to gender identity within educational settings. Additionally, I express concerns over potential reductions to the primary school book grant scheme.
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:I N T O Congress, the moral panic
surrounding gender identity in school.
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:With the I N T O Congress, because.
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:And the auto Congress, for those
of you, who've never heard of it or
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:haven't been on it before is it's
an annual event for the INPO the A
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:union, the teacher's union Ireland.
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:Ah, where people from all over the
country come together to demand that their
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:union put in place certain things for.
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:And it's one time in the year where the
media got very interested in teachers.
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:And they tend to before the
Congress starts make a guess.
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:Ah, what the highlights of the
Congress will be about as a report on
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:us and before the Congress started,
I think everybody thought and me
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:included that the whole thing would
be all about the housing shortage.
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:And the shortage of teachers.
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:So therefore you will have
teachers basically traveling
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:miles and miles, kilometers,
and kilometers to get to school.
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:And sure enough, this was the story
at the big story about the educate.
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:Or sorry, the IMCO Congress
to be highlighting.
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:And it was of a teacher who is
driving from port leash to step aside.
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:But in fact, It wasn't it was
part of the story of the Congress.
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:The media became fixated on.
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:Teachers working in Dubai.
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:The other countries in the Gulf state
and when they returned to Ireland, They
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:were complaining that they were not
getting compensated for the time that
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:they were teaching over in, let's say
the United Arab Emirates and Dubai.
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:Depending on the school they were in.
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:So just to explain if you are qualified
as an Irish teacher, And you work
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:in an EU country or even in the UK.
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:Your service.
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:Ah, in these countries is
recognized on the pay scale.
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:However, if you go to the middle east or
sorry, even to the Gulf states It depends.
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:Depending on the type of school
you go to, your service might be
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:recognized in Ireland or it might not.
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:And this story.
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:From the Irish Independent.
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:There were, many of
them is of one teacher.
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:Over, I think his name is Rory.
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:I think it was him anyway, telling
a story about he and his wife.
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:We're working over in Dubai.
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:And when they came home, his
wife's work was recognized.
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:As for pay when he came back, but his
wasn't and it was because of the type
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:of school they were in and in a way
it created some sort of inequality.
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:And when he was pressed on this but
surely you should have picked a school.
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:That did recognize your pay.
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:The funny thing was that you don't know.
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:What.
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:What type of school you're in until
you're actually there and in the job.
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:And you may not even know until you
come back and you apply for your
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:increment or whatever, it's for your
work to be recognized by the, our
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:stage onto to actually come home again.
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:And it's an interesting one because
initially when I was listening to
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:this, I was thinking like a lot
of teachers or a lot of people.
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:you've chosen to leave Ireland and
you've chosen to go to a country
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:where you're getting paid very well.
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:Your conditions are very good.
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:It's tax-free you'll come home
with quite a bit of money.
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:And essentially, I don't really
have that much sympathy for you.
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:But then when I was listening to
Richie story on the radio, I was
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:talking to, I was a guest on that.
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:I think it always already to stay
what I was going to say, but as I
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:listened to Richie story if it was
Richie I the fact was his wife was
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:recognized for her work in the same.
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:Country.
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:And his wasn't and it would seem
the inequity wasn't very fair.
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:And John Boyle was actually
on the same radio at the time.
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:And he was saying that they
had done some negotiations.
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:The only two who had
done some negotiations.
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:Dash service up to virus at seven years
is recognized in certain jurisdictions.
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:And he did recognize and said that it
seems a little bit unusual that say.
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:That if you worked in one school in
Dubai and you worked in the school and
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:other school in Dubai, you should really.
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:The Irish government should recognize
the service, no matter what it was now,
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:Isn't because they're having a
laugh over there or they're there.
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:They're just going off the crack
or to save money for a, to buy a
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:house and they get here and then
some people do I'm sure do that.
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:But a lot of people that go over
there is because there wasn't
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:work in Ireland at the time.
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:And this guy went over in 2012, 2013 when
there were no jobs in our indictment.
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:I remember I would be advertising
maternity leave posts on it could
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:have 500 applications for that post.
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:Things are different now.
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:But we still have a shortage
of teachers right now.
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:And we're trying to bring
people home, from places.
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:It's but I can imagine if
you've been there, if you've
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:invested 10 years of your life.
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:And you're coming home and
you're not recognizing you're
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:starting from the very beginning.
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:What you really come back?
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:What is the incentive to come back?
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:And I suppose my argument with myself in a
way is, should that be recognized because
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:we have a shortage of teachers now, or
should we, say look you, you did go off
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:and, maybe you went off for, reasons
because there were no jobs over there.
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:Maybe you went over recently
where there were loads of jobs
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:in Ireland on, should you get the
benefit or the reward for that?
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:And it's a definite debate.
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:I think we definitely need to have my,
I suppose my inclination is inequality
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:thing that if we are paying some people
that are going to Dubai and we're not
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:paying others, then we need to make
equalize that we need to definitely, I
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:either do one or the other either re.
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:Reward.
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:No one.
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:Or we.
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:Or we reward everyone.
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:And so I thought it was a kind of an
interesting story and it was the one
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:that really grabbed the headlines.
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:I suppose more than anything else.
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:I was very glad to hear though and
see that the RTE picked up on a story.
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:Of the changes to the
set allocation hours.
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:And after the blow of seeing the
IPN ganging up on principals despite
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:supposedly representing them and saying,
gosh, there was no change to the support
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:hours, the sport education hours.
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:Or the set of vacation hours.
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:And that we were all wrong.
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:It was nice to see that the IMCO have
backed their members in this case.
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:At the Congress and hopefully
we will be seeing some changes.
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:I do know, as I am recording this.
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:There should have been an Heraclitus
committee meeting where this was raised.
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:And I do know there's still talk of
us even at today in the newspapers.
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:There is talk about at
the set allocation hours.
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:And the disaster.
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:So I'm really was really happy to see
that this came up and I NTO Congress
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:was passed by members I think at the
IPP and should be fairly embarrassed
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:by what they did to their own members.
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:If those.
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:There can't remember, this was the
joint communication with the NPC.
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:And AP NAPT.
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:I have no idea why the NAPD were
involved in this, in the first place.
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:Where they denied there was any devilment
going on with the sash allocation hours.
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:And interestingly enough, devilment
since then has happened because
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:now the department of education.
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:Despite, I know there's
nothing to see here at all.
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:They've decided to shift the goalposts yet
again, and this week they only an answer.
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:Oh yes no.
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:There's no problems here at all.
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:In fact, an a hundred
schools should know this.
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:Basically children with complex
needs are measured in two ways.
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:Firstly by literacy and numeracy scores.
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:So those who fall down and interested
in reading scores, if they've complex
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:needs will be allocated hours and those,
and with complex needs will be exempt
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:from doing the standardized tests.
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:So they would get the
maximum level of support.
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:Now.
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:I wish someone had told school says
because I know schools around the country.
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:If they've children with any
needs complex or otherwise.
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:And it comes to the standardized test.
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:They will do whatever they can to help
that child do those standardized tests,
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:because it's only right that they have
the opportunity to do these standardized
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:tests, whether you like standardized
tests or not And often these children
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:find it very difficult to cope with
the pressure or The difficulty of doing
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:the tasks a lot of children with maybe
anxiety or maybe with a diagnosis of
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:autism or something that just makes
it really difficult for them to be
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:in this kind of pressurized system.
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:A lot of the time they'll go
with their support teacher
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:and do the test on their own.
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:Which will you know, or in
a nicer atmosphere for them.
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:All this is going to do is you're going
to see a massive rise in exemptions
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:from these standardized tests.
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:Rightly because this is the only
way children with complex needs are
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department of education to
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:And I know there's been politicians,
wonderful politicians out
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:there who are bringing this up.
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:People like Gary Gannon from the
social camera cuts on every time
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:he speaks or about this, they took
department of education to have these.
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:The soundbites kind of sentences, which
sound like not, there's nothing to see
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:here and they keep shifting things around.
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:As I said, so very glad to see the
ITO backing their members, backing
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:teachers in their calls on this.
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:Unlike as I say other
organizations like the IPN.
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:However, the Irish examiner,
sorry, I'm open that up.
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:The also bought into this and
Katrina golden, a wonderful
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:principal owned boot own Bowie.
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:Oh God, I can never pronounce her at
her school that when we get educate
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:together has also talked about the
special education allocation model.
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:And again a lot of criticism, really
good article that really well called
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:out for on glad to see the Irish
examiner as always covering at that.
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:In fact, I would say the Irish
examiner, if you're going to subscribe
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:to a newspaper, I have to say of
all the newspapers out there They
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:really do treat teachers very well.
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:And they're a little bit more eclectic.
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:And what they cover.
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:In fact, when it came to the int
O Congress whereas most of the
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:newspapers went for this story.
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:As I thought I brought up the.
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:Archie's on rewind for a different
angle and actually listed things
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:that were actually on the agenda
that actually affected teachers
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:rather than, click baity type thing.
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:It I must say the Irish
examiner really well worth.
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:Having a look at.
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:But the big story, and this was
the one I was really surprised
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:This is the one that I was interested
in coming to the IMCO Congress.
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:It was basically a motion that went in
under, there was a lot of work that's
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:gone into this motion, which was the
beginnings of conversations to remove
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:the stranglehold that the religious
bodies have over the primary education
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:system, particularly the Catholic church.
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:And Emotion did go through where the only
two are going to survey their members
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:on really on the role of religion.
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:I'm religious control in schools.
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:But also the need for the
religious certificates that
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:most teachers have to have.
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:If they want to work in
an Irish primary school.
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:Many people don't realize how
recent Religious certificate
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:is I qualified in 2002.
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:And there was no need for a
religious certificate to get a job.
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:I got my first job.
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:In a Catholic school as most of and
I was never asked for this religious
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:certificate, it came in around 2005.
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:And I remember it because I remember I
had come out Kamash to my principal about.
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:Not being Catholic.
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:And this certificate was being
bandied about as an optional
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:kind of thing at the time.
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:And she asked me, would
I consider doing it?
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:And I think when she said,
when would I consider doing it
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:that wasn't really a request.
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:But I refuse to do it.
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:However, by 2006, maybe 2007,
it was a requirement for any.
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:Teacher wanting to work in a
Catholic school to have one and no
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:other religious buddy or no other
patron buddy has this requirement.
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:And I feel very strongly that
patron buddies shouldn't insist on
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:a quite under patrons qualification.
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:And I think the reason I don't want
any patron buddy to do it is because
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:if I don't want the Catholic church.
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:I don't think anyone else.
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:As you just not fair to expect
something of one patron body.
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:Like we do at the moment in terms
of enrollments and not expected
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:from minority bodies either.
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:That's how I feel quite strongly about it.
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:But D ready to certificate
essentially teaches you how
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:to pass on the word of God.
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:And then I'm just quoting to the children
and your skill, you how to become a
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:missionary, how to become an evangelist.
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:I know these words are of motive and
people don't like hearing them, but
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are supposed to impart the word of God
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:onto the children, pass on the faith.
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:And, most teachers don't really
consider themselves as missionaries.
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:And Avi Malali I think is the name
of the, or Mulcahy was the main
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:researcher around us where she surveyed
Teacher trainee teachers in:
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:99% of them had made their
sacraments, but only 59% of the
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:now with adults actually consider
themselves Catholic and more of them.
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:Actually believed in energy than they
did in God, which is really weird.
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:But they also believe in spirits or
they believe in God and actually.
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:Quite a few of them believed in magic
which are thought was interesting.
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:And why that will be part of
the question air altogether.
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:Moving back to this int
emotion that passed.
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:It was surprising to me, number one, that
it, not that it passed particularly but
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:it was surprising to me how it actually
was covered in the two main media outlets,
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:And it was really gratifying
for me to see that.
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:And I had some thoughts on that.
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:On those motions that you
can read on my medium blog.
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:Two thoughts, really?
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:That was the first one is thoughts
on the motions on, secondly, why
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:you, the teachers that spoke on that
religion motion are heroes because
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when you speak out in public at
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:You run a risk of breaking a law.
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:Which is section 37 of the employment
equality act, which allows an institution
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:to discipline you for what they consider
undermining the ethos of the school.
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:Now what undermining the ethos means.
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:Is very unclear and we
don't know what it is.
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:But essentially it is, it
could mean anything from.
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:I suppose decrying the Catholic
church and basically taking, I don't
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:know what you could do to describe.
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:The Catholic church, a lot of people do
without realizing it, just something as
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:innocent as going up on the ITO stage
and saying that there shouldn't be a
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:need for a religious certificate in
education, and we should start questioning
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:the role of religion in schools.
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:Yet many Catholic teachers stood up on
that podium and called for just dash
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:Catholic teachers working in Catholic
schools run the risk of basically.
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:Being disciplined, being
passed over for promotion.
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:Maybe not being able to get a job in
another school in the future, because
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:I can't imagine the conflict church
firing a teacher for this because
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:the press will be, so we'll be mad.
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:In fact, it's one of those as I call
it, the don't ask don't tell system
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where the goalposts are.
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:it's very difficult to know what to do.
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:So people say nothing.
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:The only teacher that we know of
in our thought was disciplined.
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:For basically undermining the section
37 was Connor Braedon, who I interviewed
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:on the podcast a few years ago.
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:But practicing yoga could actually
if you really wanted to do.
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:Could be considered undermine the ethos.
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:And I've linked in the article
here to why that could be it
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:might sound strange to you.
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:The teachers that spoke up
the ITO Congress are unlikely
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:to be fired for speaking out.
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:But depending on their school, they
might find that they might be passed
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:over for a position of responsibility.
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:They might find themselves not being
allocated their choice of class.
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:They might find themselves
being left on their own.
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:If a difficult situation arise
in their classroom, they might
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:find themselves overlooked.
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:If they apply for a position in
another school, they might even
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:get a private part in the back
from their principal, Berkeley.
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:Before being slapped on the wrist
and told to keep their head down.
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:But in most cases I have to concede
nothing would really happen.
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:Unfortunately, none of those
speakers knew or know what the
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:reaction will be for their calls to
remove the religious certificates.
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:And some may never know.
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:However they did take the risk.
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:And to be honest, what I can
say is I am grateful for them.
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:I think for me, the int or
Congress was quite interesting.
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:I never go, I have very little faith.
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:In anything really happening from the
union, but I will say that the call for
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:the religious certificate to be removed
and the survey to talk to teachers about
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:the role of religion in schools has gotten
me a little bit excited and I will admit
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:it may bring me back to int your meetings.
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:This was the first time I
suppose I've been involved.
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:Eh, very indirectly, maybe, but certainly
on the periphery of emotion, going
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:through to the floor and seeing a past.
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:And it showed me that in some
ways there is a little bit
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:of democracy left in the ITO.
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:I have called it and accused
it of being a theocracy.
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:But this is a time where
I think this is emotion.
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:I don't know if the weather
the ITO could do without us.
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:Or not however.
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:The jury's out, maybe this time
next year, let's see where we stand.
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:As I say, I'm cynical by nature.
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:But I have to say I have a
little buzz of excitement.
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:And maybe it's a bit of gratitude for
those Catholic primary school teachers
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:and The teachers who aren't Catholic and
working in a Catholic primary schools
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:who were taking probably a higher risk.
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:I'm really grateful to them and I
really appreciate what they've done.
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:I'm, me personally, but for people
like me coming into the system.
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:Those, there's absolutely no way I would
be able to work in a, in most primary
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:schools due to just an accident of birth.
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:I just happens not to be
born Catholic in Ireland.
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Of course, Norma Foley was a guest at
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:the Congress and she used her time to
speak to the delegates about smartphones.
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:Pretty much, that was the main
thing she wanted to talk about.
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:The only thing that the media wants to
talk about, because I'm giving you a
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:random example there from Doni go live,
which is a local paper and Donegal.
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:Where she talked about primary school
children, not needing smartphones.
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:I mean, she's doing a great job of this
big battle against smartphones without
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:actually doing anything about it.
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:For example, I know that if I
was a child and I wanted to buy
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:cigarettes or I wanted to buy
alcohol, there's a law against that.
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:So I'm sure it's not too difficult
to bring in a law to stop you
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:from possessing a smartphone.
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:If you are under a certain age.
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:Yeah, she doesn't seem to be able to do
that, but that's for another day If you
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:are interested in good insight as to the
smartphone, a debate on young children.
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:The New York times came with an article
about screens being everywhere in schools,
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:but do they actually help kids learn?
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:So.
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:Let's move away from the
Congress really good event.
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:I think, and it sort of gave me
a little bit of hope, as I say.
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:For the education system and maybe for
the union and maybe for democracy, I
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:suppose the answers will come in time.
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:I'm moving on to, and I probably won't
spend a huge amount of time on this,
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:but probably warrants a lot more time.
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:So I probably will come back to it.
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:I didn't do.
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:A podcast and about gender identity
and education around gender identity.
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:On the anseo.net podcast, it was
called we need to talk about gender.
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:And it's an issue that I've been avoiding
speaking about for quite some time.
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:It's because of my lack
of knowledge, I guess.
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:and I don't want to, Talk in a way
about an issue where I don't really
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:know enough about it to have any
expert view, and maybe it's something
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:I might interview people about.
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:In the future who would have
more expertise rather than just
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:having an opinion on matters.
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:Both in the UK, a report came
out from Hillary costs generally
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:around I suppose, puberty blockers
for under eighteens and so on.
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:And the report essentially was saying,
Children have been let down on gender care
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:based on weak evidence for the support.
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:There seems to be lots of question marks.
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:Around providing children
with care on gender.
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:And this report is being hailed by
those who are who are, I suppose,
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:what I would call gender critical.
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:And I'm using, going to be using a lot of.
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:Quotation marks in here who would consider
education or talking about gender, where
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:the idea of the a dash gender and sex are
not the same thing as gender ideology.
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:And again for those of you who are not
watching on our listing, I'm using a
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:lot of quotation marks here because
I just don't, I don't want to say the
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:wrong thing on, I don't want to offend
anyone or I'm saying this I'm just
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:essentially talking about not what I
believe, but what people are saying.
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:And then there's obviously people on the
other side of us who are very critical of
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:this cost report saying it's set based on.
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:On sound data and so on
and so forth and really.
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:Where I do know I am
standing on this issue.
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:Is something is really make
me feel very uncomfortable.
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:And it is.
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:This correlation that
some people are making.
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:Between religious education in schools.
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:And gender education in schools That.
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:The, when really?
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:Because we're talking about.
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:You know, About questioning
religion in schools and, and
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:the viability of religious faith
formation or indoctrination
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:or whatever you might call it.
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:And I'm using the word indoctrination
very deliberately here.
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:That they're conflating that if we
lose, if we stop doing religious
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:faith formation in schools, it will
produce a void that will be replaced.
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:And in inverted commas with gender
ideology or a gender indoctrination.
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:And you know, this is the bit
where I do have some expertise.
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:I guess and it's really, really
something that I'm feeling very strongly
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:about, and I'm really annoyed about.
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:Because when we were reporting.
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:And that teachers are now going
to be surveyed around gender and
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:the, and the lack of the need for
a religious certificate and so on.
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:That in anything to do with religion
and schools, but what about the
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:religion of gender ideology?
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:It seems to be this response and
this idea that they're there.
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:They're in fairing.
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:That if we replace.
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:Religion.
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:They're effectively, we're going
to place a religion with gender.
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:Identity stuff.
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:And I think it's it's crude.
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:And it's.
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:It's nonsensical.
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:And it's and I needed to, and I really
wants to put my thoughts together on it.
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:So I did.
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:And I it's on my medium blog.
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:Why we must be careful not to correlate
gender identity with religious education.
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:It's a long read about 10 minutes
read, according to medium there.
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:And it goes on basically to you know
Tony talks about the ITO thing, and then
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:it it talks about it gives some tweets.
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:And an example I gave is from collect
call for who's a lecturer in CTU,
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:someone I know from outside of the
education system, someone I like.
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:And I've spoken to outside of Twitter
and so on around gender identity.
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:I mean, I have spoken to her about
this because I always believe that
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:when you don't know something or
when you don't know a lot about
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:something, you should really listen
to everybody and even provocateurs.
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:And I mean, I.
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:Apparently some people consider
me to be provocative and to
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:be a biggest or whatever.
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:And.
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:I'm not, I don't think I am.
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:And clash is often
called a biggest as well.
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:And I don't think she is either.
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:But I am, I am cross and disappointed by.
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:The fact that she's starting to, that
she's using a line and I've seen now
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:in a number of occasions and it's
not just her, I'm not picking on her
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:particularly, but people like her.
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:Saying that will teachers, if they're
not doing it, if religion is removed from
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:schools, will teachers, all of a sudden
be having to do workshops in gender
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:identity, which is the new religion.
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:And it's, it's very annoying because.
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:I know she's not.
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:A stupid person.
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:I know she isn't.
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:She's a really nice person.
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:I see.
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:You know, you can say, oh look,
religion is just an ideology.
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:Well, so is this gender thing?
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:So they're the same thing.
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:And therefore gender
identity is a religion now.
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:it's a way for people who are religious.
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:Who are trying to defend
religion and schools are now
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:going to are saying, oh, wow.
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:Now we can have well, if we don't have
religion in schools, we'll just replace
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:it with this religion of gender ideology.
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:Again, inverted commas.
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:I keep having to say in virtual commas,
And, and there's no, there's no link.
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:There's just no link whatsoever
between the decline of religion.
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:If it ever happens.
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:And then the rise in gender.
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:I don't know if that was the case.
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:I mean, the, the religion has
been declining in society from
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:years since the 1970s in Ireland.
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:And this whole conversation
around gender and so on.
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:It's very recent it's in the
last five or six years or so.
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:I mean, like in mainstream, I know
it's been, it's been going on for many,
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:many years, but, but certainly in an
Irish context, in the education system,
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:it's really on the last five years
where we're talking about gender now.
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:I think It's really unfair
to start trying to link.
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:Things where links don't exist.
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:We have a new curriculum coming up.
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:But it's as true to say the
gender identity education.
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:We'll replace religion.
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:In fact it's less true.
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:It's more true to say.
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:That modern foreign languages are going
to replace religious education because
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:that's actually what's happening.
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:We're reducing religion,
religious instruction.
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:But by a half an hour, a week.
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:In Irish primary schools.
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:And it's being replaced with a
whole raft of other subjects.
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:One of them is stem, which will
include technology and engineering,
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:which weren't there before welding
is going to be another thing which
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:does not mean gender identity.
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:Wellbeing is wellbeing.
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:So again, lot of all this sort
of stuff, and it's, it's, it's
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:really frustrating to see that.
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:That's every time I see a religion post.
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:Now, every time I see something about
religion in schools now, I can at least
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:a percentage of those replies we'll
talk about, well, I hope it's not going
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:to be replaced by that gender stuff.
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:Or so on.
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:And.
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:It's really.
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:I mean, it's kind of
ridiculous now in the article.
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:I talk about why that happens and I
can see why I'm not stupid either.
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:You know, I can see why these have links.
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:Are being brought in there's
a program called busy bodies.
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:If you're and in busy
bodies, there's a page.
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:Which discusses gender identity.
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:And at the booklet is for parents.
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:And for adolescents, it's not for
primary schools, primary schools use
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:busy bodies, but they have a PDST
version of that, a workbook, and it
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:doesn't mention gender identity at all.
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:I provided links in the
medium blog about that.
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:there was a video that was produced by
the IMCO, which talked about a teacher
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:talking to their class about a social.
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:Transition.
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:And this has caused huge consternation
with some of these gender critics.
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:But the thing is.
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:Gender is not correct it's not
there, and this link with religion.
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:It's just really, really
annoying because it isn't linked.
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:We are reading.
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:I am been, I suppose it annoys
me so much just because.
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:I guess we know that.
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:Religious control of schools is not ideal.
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:No one would disagree with this.
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:I mean, if it really, I mean, in fact,
we, we all know that now that most people.
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:You know, up until a couple of years ago.
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:Certainly if you asked most people.
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:Should we should, should we, it
should churches control schools.
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:They would say no.
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:You know, most people would say no.
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:The thing is, I don't
think that's happening.
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:As much anymore.
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:In fact, a guy.
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:Tweeted, ask it basically saying sure.
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:Now you have as a
provocative and of tweets.
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:I don't know if it's a good
way of measuring if budget.
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:I think he was expecting
different results.
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:But most people reply to his
tweet said that they would prefer
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:to have the Catholic church.
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:In control of schools, then
there's gender ideology.
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:Now he didn't ask, he didn't mention
gender or anything like that, but this
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:is the thing it's been linked to so
much that it's becoming nearly fat.
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:And for me, it's just
a complete moral panic.
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:That they think a decline in
religion will all of a sudden
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:bring in this gender stuff.
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:Gender ideology, gender identity,
education, things like that.
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:And there's absolutely no reason.
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:And, you know, it reminds me of the moral
panic that happens when RSC was threatened
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:to be updated from the 1999 or 1997.
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:Curriculum as it was, and it's been
blocked, but at every course, and what was
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:happening was there were people out there
who were basically saying that teachers
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:were going to be teaching children,
how to masturbate from the age of four.
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:and it just, I mean, there was even
went to the point where there is a
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:fact check done by the journalists.
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:They do fact checking kind of things.
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:It's mot it's marred and.
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:You see the thing about this is
the tone of the gender critical
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:people is they're using really,
really interesting emotive language.
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:They're calling it like gender
ideology even in itself is.
582
:It's dismissive and often I
don't only see them using that.
583
:But they're using terms like
indoctrination, you know, you,
584
:you, there was a guy as a lot of
these guys in their green hoodies.
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:I think of a photo of one of them here.
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:There is one.
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:It's one of those protesters
outside the libraries.
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:Who had these green hoodie saying
education, not indoctrination.
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:I found humorous considering a 96% of
schools, indoctrination of religion.
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:Actually happened that indoctrination
is what happens, whereas a there's none
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:of the sorts of things that they think
are happening are happening in schools.
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:Both.
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:Other words like what was saying
like indoctrination colonization
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:has been used cults agendas.
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:And things like that.
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:And I was even looking through
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:she, you know, she talked about
the colonization of the Irish
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:curriculum, where she talks about
gender identity education coming
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:in and starts off with them center.
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:Ireland is no stranger to colonization.
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:And basically we are now the implantation
of gender identity theory is happening
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:throughout the education system.
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:And she gave very, very loose examples,
which, which aren't actually part of the.
604
:The curriculum itself.
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:At all.
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:Blogs are opinion pieces, and you can
use kind of emotive loose language.
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:And it doesn't really bother me
too much, but it's interesting.
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:You know, the kind of language
that's being used by people.
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:And you know, I, I don't
have a problem with that.
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:I mean, she does write actual
factual stuff, research-based stuff.
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:You know, people are complex, you
know, I know people listen to this.
612
:Podcast.
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:They agree with some of the
things I say, and they don't
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:agree at all with a lot of stuff.
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:I don't think that's everyone.
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:You.
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:This is one of the problems
particularly in this gender debate is.
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:You're either on one side or the
other side and their sides were
619
:polarizing, And I think we need.
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:You know, as I think I said
this in my podcast thing we need
621
:to be doing is talking to each
other and speaking about this.
622
:And I'm asking really good
questions of each other.
623
:Instead of like telling each other that.
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:You know, everyone is telling each other.
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:they're wrong under the right
wing or their loot, Looney
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:laughter and all the rest of it.
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:And it doesn't help.
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:The conversation at all.
629
:It doesn't.
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:And, and the fact that, you know, even me
saying that sentence is for even saying,
631
:there should be a conversation I could
be canceled for want of a better word.
632
:I'm not, I'm not a Fe enough,
which I'm what I'm speaking
633
:about in this particular case is.
634
:W why would we.
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:Use something on linked.
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:For an argument.
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:MacBook Pro Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera-4:
I mean for me.
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:It's so frustrating.
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:To see, as a minority for that are
fighting for the last 20 years or so.
640
:For people who don't practice.
641
:One or two particular religions being
isolated from the education system.
642
:That our struggle.
643
:Is being used.
644
:For, purposes.
645
:Whether they're well-meaning or not.
646
:But completely on linked
so that they are happy.
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:To throw minoritized people under a boss.
648
:And so that their point of view.
649
:Is listen to , even though
it has nothing to do with it.
650
:So they're essentially linking.
651
:The demise of religion
In society or in schools?
652
:Two.
653
:The idea that gender and identity
education would take its place.
654
:And it's really.
655
:Ah, I suppose that's what
upsets me so much about it.
656
:And, I said this art, I won't
go through the article too much
657
:because I'm well, over time.
658
:At the stage, but I hope you'll read it.
659
:And see what you think academic.
660
:Outrage bait.
661
:And I think that's a fair thing.
662
:I talk a little bit about,
a little more about it.
663
:And I guess, for me, the conclusion
I come to really in a way.
664
:Is that the people that were using.
665
:I suppose in a way.
666
:When a, I'm sorry to use now analogies.
667
:I think we don't even have to
go very much into the past.
668
:I can go into today.
669
:Even when it comes to migration,
you've got people who are
670
:marginalized from society.
671
:Economically and they see migrants
been given what they perceive
672
:migrants, be given houses for free,
and they're getting nothing and so on.
673
:So what they do is they protest the
migrants and they attack migrants.
674
:And they dehumanize
the migrants and so on.
675
:This is the same sort of stuff that
you're picking on the weakest while the
676
:people in charge get away Scot free.
677
:And this is what it looks at.
678
:And you think for the short-term
win, that this will be a complete
679
:win, but the problem with these
kinds of things is it feeds in.
680
:To this really, I think there is a huge.
681
:Risk.
682
:When the people who are buying into.
683
:Fear mongering and moral panic to
further their own political cases.
684
:And we will see the people,
the parties that are talking.
685
:About gender ideology.
686
:Very few of them would be, parties that
you would like to see governing this
687
:country because of their other views.
688
:And some of those other views.
689
:May fall foul of your views.
690
:So you might feel strongly.
691
:About gender.
692
:Identity education.
693
:You may not like that.
694
:Quite a number of the parties.
695
:That are supporting this.
696
:Would like to take away the right
to abortion for women, for example.
697
:And they would all share that.
698
:Some of them would have.
699
:Very anti migrant stance.
700
:Some of them would want to be
leaving the EU, for example.
701
:What would Ireland look
like in a case like that?
702
:I've watched some of the, some of these.
703
:Suppose the journalists.
704
:Coming along to protests.
705
:I watched one of them in Cardo.
706
:And as I said, there was an
amusing part where he had to cross.
707
:The rainbow crossing that's in Cardo
town, the guy who was doing the filming.
708
:And as he was crossing the road, he was
giving out about the universities in the
709
:town that have obviously caused this.
710
:Do people like that who get into power,
start shutting down universities, or.
711
:Firing people who don't in universities,
who don't go along with the stances.
712
:you see where I'm getting out
here I'm really worried when.
713
:people who are oppressed start
oppressing other oppressed people.
714
:So the perception of being a pro press,
because some people would disagree
715
:and that either parties are oppressed,
but we're certainly not empower.
716
:And I guess, we only know too well,
what happens in that kind of regard?
717
:I think that's all I'll say about gender
identity education for the moment I
718
:wanted to come back to this and it
probably will come back to it now.
719
:Particularly as it's now treading on.
720
:I suppose an area I feel
very strongly about.
721
:Not that I, or that I have, I
actually have knowledge about.
722
:It's probably not fair that I don't.
723
:All I care about.
724
:If I have a child in my school who is
experiencing gender identity issues.
725
:My job is to help that child.
726
:I don't care about anything
else I just want to do.
727
:What's right.
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:I have for that child and
I'm learning all the time.
729
:What that looks like.
730
:And I find a really unhelpful.
731
:The kind of rhetoric
that's going around and.
732
:Anyway, I suppose I'll say
no more on the issue because.
733
:As I said I'm well over time and I
want to move on to the final story.
734
:There was an announcement late last week.
735
:About the junior cycle, free school
book scheme, but no announcement
736
:about the primary book scheme.
737
:Now as I'm not that pushed
about the actual scheme itself.
738
:I don't think it aids
education particularly, but
739
:I know it's a vote grabber.
740
:But the thing is, once it's in, it's
expected, then that'll be in forever.
741
:And that if it is taken out, I think
parents would be very aggrieved
742
:that they then again, have to,
they then will have to spend.
743
:Money or they'd be looking at why
didn't you, why did you spend all the
744
:money in one go, if they take it away,
like my belief, to be honest with
745
:you, and I maybe I'll be proved wrong
by the time the podcast comes out.
746
:And this is based on
this tweet I received.
747
:I when I saw this somebody.
748
:Who's tweaked their rosy Doyle.
749
:A review of the guidelines for year
two is currently underway of the
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:school book scheme for primary level.
751
:The specifics of what is covered
under this scheme will be sad.
752
:Housing detail.
753
:I know they used to be in due course.
754
:My fear is they're going to pay the 96
Euro per child is going to be caught.
755
:To something, and I don't know what
the something will be and it's already.
756
:April mid April.
757
:And my fear is it's going to be
cut all together and they're going
758
:to say, oh no, we never said it
was going to be paid every year.
759
:It's every few years on schools
would have been advised, but she
760
:weren't basically, we were told this
was going to be an annual thing.
761
:It was going to stop parents,
having to dig into their pockets.
762
:Most schools have a fee and not a fee
every year, but they have a money every
763
:year with ask children, buy books, but
the money doesn't change very often.
764
:And I think schools would
have probably offset that 96
765
:year old for whatever money.
766
:They were charging in the first place.
767
:Most school books are
very expensive these days.
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:Like your maths book is over 20 Euro.
769
:This is one book.
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:And so people might be saying,
oh sure, 96 euro's loads.
771
:But when you take it into context,
your maths book is about 22, 23 Euro.
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:And probably a little bit more now.
773
:So it isn't a lot of money.
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:But now the fear is they're
not going to give it.
775
:And even if they caught it a
little bit, parents were after
776
:spending maybe after not having
to pay for school books this year.
777
:We'll be expecting not to
pay it ever again because
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:they themselves are promised.
779
:That the scheme will be going ahead.
780
:And they, the department of education,
spin doctors are very clever people,
781
:as we know, and they'll say, oh no.
782
:This year it's primaries it's
primary schools next year.
783
:It's.
784
:Junior cycle, the following
year, it will be senior cycle.
785
:And then we go back again to junior to,
so it will be on a three-year rota basis.
786
:That wasn't what was agreed at the starch.
787
:And In fact, I remember
language like that.
788
:I don't know, my fear really
is that we're in for a cost.
789
:And hopefully by the time this podcast
comes out I will be proved wrong, but I
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:have a very bad feeling that I won't be.
791
:Ultimately that is all I'm
saying on those three stories.
792
:I have lots and lots of other stories
available too, on my anseo.net newsletter.
793
:Where I picked a number of stories
from Ireland and across the world.
794
:About education, including
some tips for your classroom.
795
:One thing that I thought was really nice
was our brain breaks for your classroom
796
:might be of use to you as well as that.
797
:I have some mini CPD in every newsletter.
798
:this time I'm looking at AI again and
how I built the unit of work generators.
799
:Some of you may have been working on
that in fact, a lot of you seem to
800
:have seen it because I had over 400.
801
:uses of it.
802
:In the space of 48 hours.
803
:Nearly bankrupted me.
804
:The other thing that's in the
newsletter is some tweets that
805
:I've that'd been posted by people.
806
:Ah, who I admire very greatly and
some commentary on those as well.
807
:And so really, if you are interested,
please go to anseo.net/subscribe,
808
:and you can forget that news that
are straight into your inbox.
809
:And we'll tell you, as soon as.
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:The next podcast is out some, Hey.
811
:So Matt CPD on a few extra
bits and bobs bonus material.
812
:But that's it for me for this week.
813
:Thanks so much.
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:For listening or watching.
815
:And I'll be back to you in a couple of
weeks time, all the very best bye-bye.