Pretty in Pink | S2E24

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Katie (2): Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and

welcome back to Retro Made.

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Today we're gonna head back to

: 1986

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This is John Hughes class

Conscious Teen Romance that gave us

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unforgettable fashion, so many blazers.

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An iconic soundtrack and one of the most

debated love triangles of the decade.

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So much so that he made another movie

the next year to make it right, depending

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on if you're Team Blaine or Team Ducky.

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Joining me today is Kyle Peterson.

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We were going to have his teenage

daughter as a special guest to

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give us a perspective of how

high school works nowadays.

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But she did watch the movie and

I think she has notes for us.

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Kyle, welcome back to Retro

Made for our John Hughes season.

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I think this is the second

movie you've joined me on,

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Kyle: That's right.

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Yes.

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I was here for Beethoven I

think last year sometime.

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Katie (2): seems like forever ago.

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Yeah.

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kyle (2): It does seem like a while

ago, but I guess I must have done okay

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Katie (2): Of course.

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And you're one of my regular podcast

buddies over on one more round,

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the Rocky Series podcast, right?

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Kyle: yeah, that's where I'm

in more in my element here.

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Kyle: a little bit, this is foreign

to me, but it's good to have

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some, some practice to talk about

something that isn't rocky related.

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Katie (2): It's very different from Rocky.

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Definitely.

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Yes.

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But in the eighties.

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So, if

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you are new to the show, welcome.

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We're covering John Hughes movies

this season in order to set the

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stage for that movie discussion.

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What we do here is some pop culture trivia

from the year, that movie was released.

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So let's spin the retro made wheel

for the time capsule from: 1986

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Kyle: Ooh, I love me some trivia.

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Let's do this.

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Katie (2): Now we did already cover 1986

in the Ferris Bueller's Day off episode.

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So if we come to a category where we've

already covered, we'll just spin again.

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Okay.

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kyle (2): Okay.

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I'm a little worried because I was only

two when this in: 1986

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with the pop culture, but you know,

hopefully I can get a few, right.

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Katie (2): I mean, I'm five here,

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but I think also I'm the youngest

child, so that helps me know

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things earlier than my time.

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But we shall see.

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We shall see.

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I'm gonna spin on your behalf,

Kyle, see what category we come to.

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Okay.

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Oh, we have pages of the past and I

don't think we covered that already.

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It's books and magazines.

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Okay.

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You might know this one.

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A huge hit in the 1980s, this popular book

series featured a young girl named Nancy,

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who solved mysteries

with her best friends.

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kyle (2): Yes.

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My, my sister read a lot of these.

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Nancy Drew, of course.

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Yeah.

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Katie (2): You know it's funny,

I am very aware of these.

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I never read those,

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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There was Nancy Drew and then there was

like a male equivalent to something boys.

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I

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Katie (2): The Hardy Boys.

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kyle (2): Boys.

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That's right.

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Katie (2): I think that was, Yeah.

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I've heard of that.

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I wonder if that was older,

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kyle (2): I feel like they were, I, as

a kid, they were like, hand in hand.

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I think my sister may have

read both, but I think she was

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more of a reader than I was.

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Katie (2): Oh, okay.

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kyle (2): she really

liked Nancy Drew though.

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I totally remember that.

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Katie (2): Very good.

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See, you knew one.

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Ooh.

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In a similar vein, I

loved , this book series.

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This book series written by Beverly

Cleary continued to capture the hearts of

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readers with the adventures of a certain

l and her sibling bees in the: 1980

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What was the name of this

girl in the book series?

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kyle (2): God, that,

that sounds so familiar.

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But I just, I don't know.

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I, I know.

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As soon as you say it,

I'm be like, oh, yeah.

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Katie (2): Are you familiar with

the Beverly Clery books though?

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Do you know what I'm

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referring to?

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kyle (2): no, But the Beas

thing, I was like that.

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That really rings a bell.

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Katie (2): I'm curious if

your sister read these too.

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'cause it was kind of the same, you know,

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not, not a mystery series,

but in the same timeframe.

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The answer is Ramona

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kyle (2): Oh,

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Katie (2): the girls.

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Yeah, So it's Ramona Quimbee and

her sibling bees in the NA: 1980

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All right, let's spin you a new category.

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Let's see here.

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Fad.

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Flashback,

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okay.

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This is fair game.

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In 1986, this electronic toy

sensation captured the attention

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of children everywhere.

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It involved placing colored pegs into

a board to create patterns, and was

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marketed as a way to stimulate creativity.

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What is it?

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kyle (2): it is.

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Would it be the light bright, I

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Katie (2): It is the light.

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Bright,

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kyle (2): We had a light bright.

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Again, my sister had a light

bright, but I also liked it too.

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Katie (2): Super fun.

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And you know what, I actually

bought one like several years ago.

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For nostalgic purposes.

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I don't know.

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I think my niece used it once.

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But it's like much smaller.

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A more compact

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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We are now in the phase

of millennial nostalgia.

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Like millennials are now

in the nostalgia age.

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Like in your thirties and forties

you start, you, you actually

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have some memories in the bank.

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You easily remember things

from 20, 30 years ago now.

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So then you start getting

nostalgic about stuff where

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Katie (2): Great

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kyle (2): it's hard to get nostalgic

in your twenties 'cause it's like

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everything was so recent, right.

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Katie (2): Good.

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That's a really good point.

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You gotta be old before

you can get nostalgic.

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Okay.

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Let's see here.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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This specific hairdo reached

massive popularity in: 1986

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the style was voluminous with

a tease top and wild appearance

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often associated with rock stars.

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What was this iconic hairstyle called?

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It was typically for men

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kyle (2): I

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Katie (2): party in the front.

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kyle (2): Oh, on the mullet.

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The mullet, I'm sorry.

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Yes.

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): That, that was like, that made

its way into the early nineties, I feel.

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I feel like we were still dealing

with the mullet at that time.

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Uh, yeah.

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Well, God, I, that is one thing.

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I hope Neva comes back.

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Katie (2): it did come back It has,

I've seen it's everything is like

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in a 30, 35 year cycle it seems.

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kyle (2): was there a mullet back

in like the, the, because if you,

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if you go 30 years back from the

eighties was the mullets ever

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popular prior to the eighties?

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I don't know.

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Or is that like the birth of the mullet

and then now it's gonna be this thing

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that haunts us every few decades?

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Katie (2): I think that was the

birth of the mullet, because prior

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to that long hair on men was,

it was like hippie type hair.

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It wasn't like, like everyone had short

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shortcuts.

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kyle (2): I think you say yes and no.

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Like in the fifties and st like 20th

century, yet 19th century men, like

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you could have longer hair as a men.

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Like you see pictures of men.

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I think it's because necessity.

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I think it was harder to

get haircut back then.

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Katie (2): Good.

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That's a good point.

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Like it was scraggly

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and

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kyle (2): Like you see pictures

of you know, like Civil War

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generals or people like that.

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They had much longer hair.

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Not like your hair, but

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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I know

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what you

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mean.

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kyle (2): like down here or something.

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But yeah, like definitely like the fifties

was super clean cut or even the, like

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the sixties prior to the hippie era.

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And even then it's like, I feel

like just a little bit of a side,

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but I feel like the sixties will

be characterized by hippie stuff.

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But there were still a lot

of clean cut people back

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): you know?

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So,

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Katie (2): Yeah, it was, I think it

like kind of overtook, like the hippie

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movement seems like such a big part

of culture, but I would imagine if

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you just asked the average person,

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you know, in Wisconsin, you know,

were you like, you know what I mean?

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They probably weren't partaking in that.

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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Like a lot of people criticize the

boomers for being so conservative

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and they say, Hey, look like you,

you are the hippie generation and

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now you're conservative like this.

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But I think in actuality, a lot of

them have been conservative the whole

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Katie (2): Right, right.

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kyle (2): But, but I'd say though,

the seventies, I would say law

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people did give way to longer hair.

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Like hair covering your ears was like.

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Mandatory if you were a younger person.

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Katie (2): All Sylvester

Sloan in the seventies

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kyle (2): Yeah.

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Katie (2): to bring it back.

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Alright, let's do another category

and then we'll get into the movie.

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You're doing very well considering

that you were so young.

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Prime time, rewind.

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This is TV shows.

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kyle (2): All right.

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I think I could do okay

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Katie (2): Yeah, is pretty easy.

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I mean, I think you'll

definitely get some of them.

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Okay.

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Number one, show any guesses

before I give you clues.

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1986.

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kyle (2): Oh shit.

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1986, the number one show.

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I don't know what would

be number one in 86.

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Katie (2): I'll give you clues.

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I just wanted to see.

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Sometimes

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people are like, oh,

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kyle (2): hard.

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It's, I can't because I, I see a lot

of these shows through reruns in the

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nineties, but you know, I wouldn't have

known if they were number one or not.

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Katie (2): I only do

because I do the show.

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kyle (2): Yeah,

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Katie (2): So the, the number one

is an affluent man with a fondness

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for patterned knitwear, dispensed

life lessons with humor while his

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household remained remarkably educated.

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What was the show?

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kyle (2): I feel like I should know this.

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Katie (2): I'm purposely being a little

cryptic because otherwise they're so easy.

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kyle (2): Could you say it again?

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Katie (2): An affluent man with a

fondness for patterned knitwear,

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the sweaters, he had a, he had a

certain sweater, swag dispensed

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life lessons with humor while his

household remained remarkably educated.

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kyle (2): God, I don't know.

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I feel like I'm gonna

kick myself over this.

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Katie (2): The Cosby Show,

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kyle (2): God fuck.

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I was, I was thinking the Cosby

Show and I, for some reason I

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didn't, I wasn't confident in that.

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Damnit, I should have gone with my gut.

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Katie (2): You should have.

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But yeah,

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man, I,

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kyle (2): educated mean?

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'cause they're black.

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Katie, is that what that means?

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Because they're,

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Katie (2): they they, the show really

revolved a lot around Hillman and like,

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then there was the spinoff that that

Denise went to d what was it called?

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Another, oh my god, A different world.

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like the, like the whole family

went to these prestigious,

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historically black schools.

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I mean, Hillman was I think that was

fictitious, but it was meant to be

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like it anyway, you know, they're all

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doctors and lawyers, very

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kyle (2): Yes.

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Yeah, they were like upper crust for sure.

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Katie (2): Speaking of hippies,

a former flower child, and her

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husband never expected their

offspring to idolize briefcases

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business deals and or Reaganomics.

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What sitcom documented their struggles?

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kyle (2): Oh my God.

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Katie (2): It's very early eighties.

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It lasted a long time, but I think it

started pretty early in the eighties.

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Michael J.

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kyle (2): Oh, family ties.

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Katie (2): Alex p Keaton.

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Yeah.

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kyle (2): I never watched

family ties to be, to be honest.

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I just know he was on that show.

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Katie (2): You've not seen any episodes of

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kyle (2): I, I think that, not really.

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No.

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I think I probably have you

know, channel surfing come

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Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

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kyle (2): it, but I

never got into that show.

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Katie (2): You know, I think I am

aware of it and have seen a lot of it,

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but I say never, like it wasn't one

of my re watchable for some reason.

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Again, I think maybe because it

started so early and I was kind of

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more into the late, late eighties when

I got more TV viewership preferences.

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kyle (2): It is funny, I was talking

to someone at work the other day

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while like older shows and I feel

like there were shows as a kid

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I wanted to like, but couldn't,

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I remember seeing like the beginning

of Mash and I'm like, these show,

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these helicopters and stuff.

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I'm like, oh, this looks cool.

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And then I was like, what

the hell is this show?

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Why is this guy in a dress?

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What is happening?

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I think I love that show now, but

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Katie (2): similar.

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That always came because

it was adult oriented.

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I

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feel like a lot of like dads are,

like, our friends' dads would watch

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that show and whenever it came on the

theme song makes me like homesick.

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For some reason.

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A few

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theme songs

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kyle (2): I liked it that

that intro was awesome

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Katie (2): Yeah.

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kyle (2): Like it made me wanna watch that

show and then I was like, once the actual

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show came on, it was a different story.

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Katie (2): I've never seen an episode,

so I think I should dive into it one

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of these days and, and binge mash.

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kyle (2): Mash is a good example

of it's of modern times kind of

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obscuring the historical aspect.

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'cause mash is supposed to be 1950s

Korean or, but like the hairstyles

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and stuff were all like seventies.

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Like you have these like army people

from the fifties with like hair covering

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their ears and like longer hair.

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It's, yeah.

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Katie (2): in the fifties?

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kyle (2): Korean War, so

it'd be like 50 to 53.

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Katie (2): Oh my God.

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I don't know why I didn't realize

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kyle (2): I think, well someone at

work thought it was Vietnam war.

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'cause like Vietnam War and like the

Huey Helicopter kind of synonymous.

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I don't think the helicopter in

Mash was a Huey, but still you don't

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think of helicopters much with Korea,

but you think of helicopters with

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Vietnam like their, you know, staple.

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But yeah, it was supposed to be the

fifties and no one looked like it.

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They looked like it was the seventies.

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: 00:14:39

Katie (2): Because it started in the

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: 00:14:41

seventies Pro,

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: 00:14:42

right?

344

: 00:14:42

Yeah.

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: 00:14:43

Okay.

346

: 00:14:43

kyle (2): So it's like,

yeah, seventies and eighties.

347

: 00:14:45

So I get why you don't wanna make

it look like the fifties, but

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: 00:14:48

it is kind of odd to watch it.

349

: 00:14:50

Katie (2): I didn't even know that.

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: 00:14:51

Thanks for the information, Kyle.

351

: 00:14:54

kyle (2): I

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: 00:14:54

gotta ruin my keep somehow.

353

: 00:14:55

Katie (2): This one.

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: 00:14:56

I gotta keep you around.

355

: 00:14:58

This one I'll just give

you a hint at the front.

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: 00:15:01

It is a nighttime, a primetime soap.

357

: 00:15:04

Right?

358

: 00:15:04

One of those, that was

very present in the,

359

: 00:15:07

especially the early native sore

greed, deception, and sibling rivalries

360

: 00:15:12

ran as deep as the oil wells that

fueled this southern empire named

361

: 00:15:16

the nighttime soap that thrived

on backstabbing and betrayals.

362

: 00:15:21

I've never seen it, but it's big.

363

: 00:15:23

It's,

364

: 00:15:24

kyle (2): I dunno, I'm not a soap guy.

365

: 00:15:26

I could name like Days of our Lives or.

366

: 00:15:29

Katie (2): that's a daytime soap.

367

: 00:15:31

That's a daytime

368

: 00:15:32

kyle (2): but I don't

know, like nighttime soaps.

369

: 00:15:35

Katie (2): You'll, I think you'll know it.

370

: 00:15:37

Dallas,

371

: 00:15:38

kyle (2): Oh,

372

: 00:15:40

Katie (2): of this at

373

: 00:15:40

kyle (2): I have heard of Dallas,

but I've never watched Dallas before.

374

: 00:15:44

I,

375

: 00:15:44

Katie (2): Me neither.

376

: 00:15:45

kyle (2): you know, actually Dallas

came to mind when you were saying number

377

: 00:15:48

one show, because I remember seeing

like this, sometimes I've watched these

378

: 00:15:52

videos and it'll be like these, this bar

chart that's like changes over time and

379

: 00:15:57

things are constantly moving and it'll

be like number one shows at the time.

380

: 00:16:00

It'll be like from the seventies till

now and you'll see shows kind of come and

381

: 00:16:03

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

382

: 00:16:04

kyle (2): And I remember seeing

Dallas was kind of up there, I

383

: 00:16:07

don't know if it was number one, but

it was like it was in the running

384

: 00:16:10

Katie (2): Yes.

385

: 00:16:10

kyle (2): Say the top five or 10

or whatever and, but I was like,

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: 00:16:14

I don't know what Dallas is.

387

: 00:16:15

If you asked me what Dallas

is, I'd be like, Hmm.

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: 00:16:18

one of those seventies

shows, or 80 shows, I

389

: 00:16:20

Katie (2): It was a huge thing

probably for our parents' age

390

: 00:16:24

like it was in newspapers.

391

: 00:16:26

You know, when, back in the day when

they could do cliffhangers and you'd

392

: 00:16:28

have to literally wait a week to see the

393

: 00:16:30

next episode, and it

was like, who shot Jr.

394

: 00:16:33

That was a big thing in

395

: 00:16:34

kyle (2): Yes.

396

: 00:16:35

I, I know of that phrase, like,

I've heard people talk about that.

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: 00:16:37

I was talking to my wife yesterday

actually, about how actually I was

398

: 00:16:41

talking to a coworker about this.

399

: 00:16:42

I was talking to my wife, how I was

talking to a coworker where it was like,

400

: 00:16:46

it was the same mash conversation, but

we were talking about how streaming is

401

: 00:16:50

kinda ruined this, where it's like with

TV it was like you kind of just had to

402

: 00:16:56

watch the shows when they were on, and

then you had to wait till next week.

403

: 00:16:59

So you kind of had

something to look forward

404

: 00:17:01

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

405

: 00:17:02

kyle (2): Like we were talking about

how like Thursday was a good TV night.

406

: 00:17:05

Katie (2): Totally.

407

: 00:17:05

kyle (2): night was like solid

T like you look, Thursday was

408

: 00:17:08

almost as good as a Friday.

409

: 00:17:09

Like it was like really solid.

410

: 00:17:10

The week was almost done.

411

: 00:17:12

You had solid shows on, you had

something to look forward to.

412

: 00:17:15

You could be like a

cliffhanger to look forward to.

413

: 00:17:18

And you get this like weird instant

gratification of streaming where

414

: 00:17:21

you can just binge watch the shit

outta something and then it's over

415

: 00:17:25

and it's not as good that way.

416

: 00:17:28

Katie (2): Yeah, it's like anticlimactic.

417

: 00:17:30

Yeah, I agree.

418

: 00:17:32

But it's weird because some shows

are starting to do that on streaming,

419

: 00:17:35

they're starting to make you wait until

like next week before you can see the

420

: 00:17:38

next episode.

421

: 00:17:39

Like they've already recorded it.

422

: 00:17:41

So it's a little bit different,

but so they're kind of coming

423

: 00:17:43

back around to that in order to

make you keep your subscription

424

: 00:17:47

kyle (2): yes.

425

: 00:17:48

They seem to come out in chunks.

426

: 00:17:49

Stranger Things did that recently where

it was like, I think three chunks.

427

: 00:17:54

It was like early December,

Christmas Eve, and then the

428

: 00:17:57

last episode was New Year's Eve,

429

: 00:18:00

Katie (2): Okay.

430

: 00:18:01

kyle (2): and I think L is Blind kinda

comes out and four or five episodes.

431

: 00:18:04

That's like my guilty pleasure

trashy reality show with my wife.

432

: 00:18:08

Katie (2): so funny.

433

: 00:18:09

A lot of my friends watch that and

I, it, the premise sounds wild, but

434

: 00:18:13

kyle (2): Last series

was in Denver too, so I

435

: 00:18:15

Katie (2): Was it?

436

: 00:18:16

Oh my God.

437

: 00:18:17

Okay.

438

: 00:18:18

I, I should watch it at some point.

439

: 00:18:19

I feel like I used to watch Trash

TV when it was like Jenny Jones and

440

: 00:18:23

Ricky Lake and Maury Povich, like

441

: 00:18:25

after school.

442

: 00:18:25

Those that, that I was all in

on that, but now I don't know.

443

: 00:18:29

There's something that I'm like,

I don't partake in any of the

444

: 00:18:32

house vibes or, or any of those,

445

: 00:18:34

like love island, those.

446

: 00:18:35

kyle (2): I don't have much patience

for Housewives because I find them so

447

: 00:18:39

unrelatable, like their concerns and

their fights and stuff is I just, it,

448

: 00:18:44

it sickens me, but with Love is Blind.

449

: 00:18:47

It's like weird.

450

: 00:18:48

'cause you're trying to make these

commitments to potentially get married

451

: 00:18:50

to someone you really hardly know.

452

: 00:18:53

Then you have these people, they

start living together and there's

453

: 00:18:55

like this conflict and friction

and they fight and it is a little

454

: 00:18:59

relatable, the fights they have.

455

: 00:19:00

And so if you watch Leva is Blind

with a partner, you could kind of like

456

: 00:19:04

do color commentary on the fights.

457

: 00:19:06

Oh man, he shouldn't have said that.

458

: 00:19:08

Or oh, I see where they're coming from,

or I don't see where they're coming from.

459

: 00:19:12

Or that's what I find

interesting about that show.

460

: 00:19:14

Katie (2): I can totally see that.

461

: 00:19:16

I might have to give it a

shot and I'll let you know.

462

: 00:19:18

But back to 86 though, this one, I

don't know if you'll know it or not,

463

: 00:19:23

A quiet town, a sharp mind, and an

ever-growing list of suspicious deaths.

464

: 00:19:28

Who knew being a novelist

could be so dangerous?

465

: 00:19:32

kyle (2): Go, God, no idea.

466

: 00:19:33

I'm really shitting the

bed on the TV stuff here.

467

: 00:19:36

Katie (2): No, no, no, no.

468

: 00:19:37

You're not.

469

: 00:19:38

My mom loved the show.

470

: 00:19:39

I feel like a lot of moms liked it.

471

: 00:19:41

Angela Lansbury, has that given you any

472

: 00:19:43

kyle (2): Oh, I know that name, but I

couldn't, I didn't know anything about it.

473

: 00:19:47

Katie (2): murder?

474

: 00:19:47

She wrote

475

: 00:19:48

kyle (2): Oh God.

476

: 00:19:49

Murder she wrote.

477

: 00:19:50

Katie (2): the theme song

with her typewriter and

478

: 00:19:52

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah.

479

: 00:19:52

Yeah.

480

: 00:19:53

I feel like that was like, even my

grandma would've really liked that

481

: 00:19:56

Katie (2): mm-hmm.

482

: 00:19:57

Yeah.

483

: 00:19:58

kyle (2): like, I, Matt

Locke too, I guess.

484

: 00:20:00

Katie (2): Yeah.

485

: 00:20:00

Yeah, that does seem

like a Grandma Michelle.

486

: 00:20:03

kyle (2): like gra on The Simpsons,

grandpa Simpson in like, all the people

487

: 00:20:06

in the home really loved Matt Locke.

488

: 00:20:09

Katie (2): you know, I never

have seen any episodes of The

489

: 00:20:11

kyle (2): What were you

allowed to watch it or you

490

: 00:20:14

Katie (2): Yeah.

491

: 00:20:14

I'm sure.

492

: 00:20:15

I, I don't know

493

: 00:20:15

why it just didn't

494

: 00:20:17

kyle (2): because I feel, when I was

growing up, it was like there were the,

495

: 00:20:20

it seems like it was like almost half

and half like of kids who were, and were

496

: 00:20:23

not allowed to watch The Simpsons, so

497

: 00:20:26

Katie (2): Okay.

498

: 00:20:27

kyle (2): it's like, I didn't know.

499

: 00:20:28

Maybe you were one of those

families or it's like mom,

500

: 00:20:30

Katie (2): I doubt that was The case.

501

: 00:20:32

kyle (2): but

502

: 00:20:33

Katie (2): I, yeah, I was

watching morgue, Povich.

503

: 00:20:35

I don't know.

504

: 00:20:35

Like they, yeah.

505

: 00:20:36

I don't know.

506

: 00:20:37

It just didn't draw me, I guess.

507

: 00:20:39

kyle (2): Maury's awesome though.

508

: 00:20:40

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

509

: 00:20:42

kyle (2): Like you are the father.

510

: 00:20:44

You're not the father.

511

: 00:20:45

Katie (2): I mean, it's like not

quite Jerry Springer, but it's

512

: 00:20:49

right

513

: 00:20:50

kyle (2): a little freak show esque.

514

: 00:20:52

There was some stuff on there

that was kind of exploitative.

515

: 00:20:54

Like they had these like kids that were

horrifically burned that were on there.

516

: 00:20:59

Like little kids.

517

: 00:21:00

Katie (2): Oh, wow.

518

: 00:21:01

kyle (2): And I'm like, yeah, I

don't like, why is this happening?

519

: 00:21:05

Or they'd be like, they'd have

all these like hot chicks on.

520

: 00:21:08

It's like, which ones are actually dudes?

521

: 00:21:10

And so,

522

: 00:21:13

Katie (2): Yeah, I, the wildest

things on those shows, I loved it.

523

: 00:21:17

Oh, the early that, that's the

nineties though, I feel like.

524

: 00:21:19

But the last one for 86,

Kyle, this, I don't know.

525

: 00:21:23

The show might still be on, to be honest.

526

: 00:21:25

I don't

527

: 00:21:25

know.

528

: 00:21:26

This long running Sunday ritual

promised in-depth investigations, hard

529

: 00:21:30

hitting interviews, and a soundtrack

that ticked down to the truth.

530

: 00:21:35

kyle (2): I think it's

still on 60 minutes.

531

: 00:21:37

Katie (2): Yeah,

532

: 00:21:37

kyle (2): I love, I loved 60 Minutes.

533

: 00:21:39

Like there it was like I remember

watching at my grandparents' place

534

: 00:21:42

and yeah, like 60 minutes was great.

535

: 00:21:45

And then you had Andy Rooney's thing

at the end where he'd have all his

536

: 00:21:49

like weird thoughts on stuff, like

why did they have stickers on apples?

537

: 00:21:53

Katie (2): That's so good and random.

538

: 00:21:54

I love it.

539

: 00:21:55

Thank you for playing

540

: 00:21:56

the time capsule with retro Made

541

: 00:22:00

kyle (2): my pleasure.

542

: 00:22:00

Katie (2): Alright, Kyle, shall

we get into Pretty in Pink?

543

: 00:22:09

kyle (2): Let's do this.

544

: 00:22:11

Katie (2): February 28th, 1986, PG 13.

545

: 00:22:15

I assume this is the

first time you've seen it

546

: 00:22:17

kyle (2): Yes.

547

: 00:22:18

Katie (2): and your, your wife, is

this her first time seeing it too?

548

: 00:22:21

kyle (2): No, she'd seen

it a while ago though.

549

: 00:22:24

So she kind of like.

550

: 00:22:26

Didn't fully remember it, but

she did have some familiarity.

551

: 00:22:30

Katie (2): I thought I had seen this and

it was always one of the ones I wasn't

552

: 00:22:34

as drawn to of the Hughes universe.

553

: 00:22:37

I guess I really liked some of the

other ones better and so none of it

554

: 00:22:40

seemed super familiar and I always

conflated it with 16 candles because

555

: 00:22:44

Molly Ringwald iss in that too.

556

: 00:22:46

But another question because

we'll get into some comparisons

557

: 00:22:51

with this movie, as I alluded to.

558

: 00:22:54

Earlier, in the opening that there

was another movie the next year

559

: 00:22:58

that is basically the same movie.

560

: 00:23:00

Have you seen some kind of Wonderful,

561

: 00:23:02

kyle (2): Oh, I haven't,

562

: 00:23:03

Katie (2): okay, no worries.

563

: 00:23:05

I'll keep those comparisons brief.

564

: 00:23:08

kyle (2): In my mind, or I

know Molly Ringold from the

565

: 00:23:10

most is the Breakfast Club,

566

: 00:23:12

Katie (2): Same.

567

: 00:23:12

kyle (2): which is, you

know, the year before this.

568

: 00:23:15

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

569

: 00:23:16

kyle (2): And it was weird because she's

like the popular girl in the breakfast

570

: 00:23:19

club and it's definitely not in this film.

571

: 00:23:23

Katie (2): Same note, Kyle.

572

: 00:23:24

It's like literally the opposite.

573

: 00:23:26

Same note.

574

: 00:23:28

Well, so where I was going with this,

some kind of wonderful, and it'll be

575

: 00:23:31

very clear that I think some kind of

wonderful spoiler, it's, I think of far

576

: 00:23:36

superior film and I think that IMDB.

577

: 00:23:39

The rating shows that most

people believe that too.

578

: 00:23:41

So, pretty And Pink has a 6.7

579

: 00:23:44

and some kind of Wonderful, has a 7.0

580

: 00:23:46

and we just covered some kind of

wonderful in the last episode.

581

: 00:23:49

So check that episode out and so then we

can do a compare and contrast this movie.

582

: 00:23:54

So while John Hughes wrote it,

Howard Deutch directed it, and

583

: 00:23:59

this was actually his directorial

debut, and he also did some kind of

584

: 00:24:05

wonderful, which is essentially the,

the redo of this movie because we'll

585

: 00:24:08

get into the ending is different

586

: 00:24:11

than what

587

: 00:24:11

they

588

: 00:24:11

kyle (2): wanna watch that movie now.

589

: 00:24:13

Katie (2): You should watch it.

590

: 00:24:14

I'm curious what you think.

591

: 00:24:15

'Cause it's like gender

reversal of this movie

592

: 00:24:19

kyle (2): Just hold on a couple hours.

593

: 00:24:20

I'll come back and then we will,

594

: 00:24:22

Katie (2): Sounds good.

595

: 00:24:23

Sounds good.

596

: 00:24:24

So Howard Deutsch did both movies.

597

: 00:24:26

He also did The Great Outdoors,

which is also a John Hughes movie.

598

: 00:24:30

And also Grumpier Old Men.

599

: 00:24:32

That's who

600

: 00:24:33

kyle (2): not grumpy old men, but just

601

: 00:24:34

Katie (2): No.

602

: 00:24:35

Right.

603

: 00:24:36

Yes.

604

: 00:24:36

Grumpier.

605

: 00:24:37

Yeah.

606

: 00:24:38

kyle (2): Yeah.

607

: 00:24:38

I really liked grumpy old men

608

: 00:24:40

Katie (2): I feel like I liked it too.

609

: 00:24:42

Yeah,

610

: 00:24:42

kyle (2): which is weird 'cause

I was like this young, young

611

: 00:24:44

teenager and I'm like, why do I

like this story about like old guys?

612

: 00:24:49

Katie (2): exactly.

613

: 00:24:50

I don't know either.

614

: 00:24:51

kyle (2): I've been an old man

inside my whole life and I'm

615

: 00:24:53

just kind of growing into it now.

616

: 00:24:56

Like I love, I love

that I'm in my forties.

617

: 00:24:58

I'm like, this kicks ass,

like I feel like more myself.

618

: 00:25:02

Katie (2): I I feel like that too.

619

: 00:25:03

I've always been a grumpy old lady.

620

: 00:25:06

So John Hughes wrote this and he

was unhappy with the ending of it.

621

: 00:25:11

And he wanted Andy and Ducky like to

be together in the end, but they did a

622

: 00:25:17

screening of this and test audiences.

623

: 00:25:21

Didn't like that.

624

: 00:25:23

That, yeah, that that she ended up

with Ducky, like the best friend.

625

: 00:25:27

So they re-shot the ending so that Blaine,

626

: 00:25:31

kyle (2): Yeah.

627

: 00:25:32

Katie (2): she got Blaine in the end.

628

: 00:25:34

Yeah.

629

: 00:25:34

Mm-hmm.

630

: 00:25:35

kyle (2): shocked.

631

: 00:25:36

I was shocked because like fairly early

on, I'm like, this is, I just out loud

632

: 00:25:42

said, this is what's gonna happen,

633

: 00:25:44

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

634

: 00:25:45

kyle (2): that she's gotta get

dropped by Blaine and she's

635

: 00:25:49

gonna realize he was a jerk.

636

: 00:25:50

And then she's gonna duck.

637

: 00:25:52

He's gonna go to prom with her

and there's gonna be a spark

638

: 00:25:55

and they'll end up together.

639

: 00:25:56

It seems like a, I can't list examples,

but I feel like it's a fairly common trope

640

: 00:26:01

Katie (2): Of course.

641

: 00:26:02

Yep.

642

: 00:26:02

kyle (2): that that's gonna happen.

643

: 00:26:04

And then when that didn't

happen, I was like, aghast.

644

: 00:26:07

I was like, really?

645

: 00:26:08

She feels like very quick

to forgive Blaine too.

646

: 00:26:12

Like there, she kind of yelled at

him and he was just like, eh, like he

647

: 00:26:16

didn't really have much of a response.

648

: 00:26:17

He, his little apology thing in the end

wasn't much it was, it felt very rushed.

649

: 00:26:24

Like Brittany, like my wife and I, and

even my daughter thought the same thing.

650

: 00:26:27

Like my daughter's comment was

like, it seems like the ending.

651

: 00:26:30

The ending prom scene, she was

like, that went way too fast.

652

: 00:26:33

Like it felt like they like we're

almost running outta time and

653

: 00:26:36

it's like, okay, we gotta get

through this, this, this, and that.

654

: 00:26:38

And then you

655

: 00:26:39

Katie (2): Well, that's why you're right.

656

: 00:26:41

It did feel right.

657

: 00:26:42

Like you can see where

where it happened too.

658

: 00:26:45

And so when they called back,

Andrew McCarthy had already cut his

659

: 00:26:50

hair for some play he was doing.

660

: 00:26:52

I think so.

661

: 00:26:52

He had a buzz cut.

662

: 00:26:54

So you can tell in the, the latter, like

the ending of the movie, he has a wig on.

663

: 00:26:58

It's

664

: 00:26:58

very obvious.

665

: 00:26:59

kyle (2): I'm actually notoriously

bad for not being able to spot wigs

666

: 00:27:02

and two pays and stuff like that.

667

: 00:27:04

Like I'm very gullible when it

comes to people's hair, I guess.

668

: 00:27:09

Katie (2): I guess, I think I kind

of knew that, so I was like looking

669

: 00:27:11

for it, but it's very clear whoa,

that's not his hair from before.

670

: 00:27:15

Like it looks completely different.

671

: 00:27:17

But yeah, like of course

Stuckey saves the day, you know?

672

: 00:27:20

And he gives her his blessing though.

673

: 00:27:22

Like this is all happening.

674

: 00:27:24

Blaine tells Andy that he loves

her, like this is all happening

675

: 00:27:28

right in front of Ducky.

676

: 00:27:29

And I'm like, rude.

677

: 00:27:31

kyle (2): Yes.

678

: 00:27:31

I thought that too, but I, I know

guys could be like that though.

679

: 00:27:35

Katie (2): No, for her, I'm saying,

I think Andy was being rude.

680

: 00:27:39

Let I don't know.

681

: 00:27:40

I felt like

682

: 00:27:42

it, that whole circumstance, like

she could have said, oh, it's just,

683

: 00:27:47

excuse me, lemme go talk to him.

684

: 00:27:48

But of course Ducky who's been

in love with her his whole life

685

: 00:27:51

recognizes that this is what she wants.

686

: 00:27:53

kyle (2): That's like true love that

he really wants what's best for her,

687

: 00:27:57

even if it comes at his own expense.

688

: 00:27:59

Like he falls on his

689

: 00:28:00

Katie (2): exactly.

690

: 00:28:01

kyle (2): and then he gets this he

gets the consolation hot chick though.

691

: 00:28:05

Like this, this hot chick is

like, like this chick who's

692

: 00:28:08

like way out of his league just,

just comes onto him immediately.

693

: 00:28:13

Like there's like just outta nowhere.

694

: 00:28:15

She doesn't have a date, I guess,

which seems like not believable.

695

: 00:28:20

She says like, oh, hey, I don't

know you, but I'm into you

696

: 00:28:23

and now I'm your girlfriend.

697

: 00:28:24

So it's like, okay, we're

telling the audience now.

698

: 00:28:26

Ducky, ducky was ducky is the Jesus of

this moment, and although he's, he's

699

: 00:28:32

kind of crucified, you know, he comes

back to life and everything's all good.

700

: 00:28:36

And this is like, the way doing

it is he gets, he gets some

701

: 00:28:39

pussy at the end, basically.

702

: 00:28:41

Katie (2): Exactly, because that

situation, you, they had to do that,

703

: 00:28:44

I feel like, because otherwise it

would be like, that actually happening

704

: 00:28:49

to Ducky would be so hurtful.

705

: 00:28:50

kyle (2): Yeah.

706

: 00:28:51

He's Just ET Malone.

707

: 00:28:52

Fuck

708

: 00:28:53

Katie (2): And not uncomfortable.

709

: 00:28:54

So then, yeah, the con, you're

right, the constellation.

710

: 00:28:56

Now, did you recognize

who that actress was?

711

: 00:28:58

kyle (2): Yes and no.

712

: 00:28:59

So I, when I saw her and I'm like,

damn, like she looks familiar, but

713

: 00:29:05

I had to look her up to, to see what

she was on, and I'm like, oh, okay.

714

: 00:29:10

I don't, I didn't actually watch any,

like she was on Buffy the Vampire Slayer

715

: 00:29:14

Katie (2): the movie, not the TV show.

716

: 00:29:16

Yeah.

717

: 00:29:16

I loved that movie.

718

: 00:29:18

kyle (2): Then what other thing,

what other show was she in?

719

: 00:29:20

I can't,

720

: 00:29:21

Katie (2): She was so, she was

also in Ferris Bueller's Day

721

: 00:29:25

kyle (2): that's right.

722

: 00:29:25

Yeah, yeah,

723

: 00:29:27

Katie (2): But yeah.

724

: 00:29:27

And then similar, I guess he looks at the

camera, ducky looks at the camera before

725

: 00:29:33

he goes to her, like, all off your puer.

726

: 00:29:36

Did you notice that?

727

: 00:29:37

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

728

: 00:29:37

Yeah.

729

: 00:29:38

That whole ending seems

very disappointing.

730

: 00:29:41

Katie (2): So, Molly Ringwald kind

of wanted the, the ending that we got

731

: 00:29:45

and as did audiences apparently, but

John Hughes really, really hated that.

732

: 00:29:50

He didn't want that to be the case.

733

: 00:29:51

And so therefore he made some kind

of wonderful, where, guess what?

734

: 00:29:55

The best friends get together in

735

: 00:29:57

kyle (2): Yeah.

736

: 00:29:58

Which is it's interesting.

737

: 00:29:59

I wonder if John Hughes himself

has been in the friend zone before.

738

: 00:30:03

You know what I mean?

739

: 00:30:04

Like wonder if Molly ring wall's

never been in the friend zone.

740

: 00:30:07

Because, because as soon as Ducky, as soon

as like I saw Ducky in the interactions,

741

: 00:30:12

I'm like, oh, this dude is deep.

742

: 00:30:14

He's deep in that friend zone

and that's not a fun place to be.

743

: 00:30:19

And I was like, I don't know

if I've ever, I think I've been

744

: 00:30:21

kind of friend zoned before.

745

: 00:30:22

I have friend zoned people, but

it's just it sucks when you like

746

: 00:30:26

someone and they don't like you

747

: 00:30:28

Katie (2): Well, this is so eighties

now that I, so a lot of eighties movies,

748

: 00:30:31

John Hughes included, are this way.

749

: 00:30:33

It's like the, it's like they're

neighbors and they grew up

750

: 00:30:36

playing together as children, like they've

knew, known each other their whole lives.

751

: 00:30:39

So this some kind of wonderful,

also in Teen Wolf, this happens.

752

: 00:30:43

Did you ever see?

753

: 00:30:44

Yeah.

754

: 00:30:44

So it's very, very eighties

755

: 00:30:46

kyle (2): yeah.

756

: 00:30:46

It's almost kind of like they see

you as a brother or something like

757

: 00:30:50

that and not a love interest, and

you have to somehow like escape.

758

: 00:30:55

Something has to happen to shake things

up, to change the perspective or else

759

: 00:30:58

you're never getting outta that friend

760

: 00:31:00

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

761

: 00:31:01

Agreed.

762

: 00:31:02

In case people haven't seen this,

I feel like I saw it, but then I

763

: 00:31:04

was like, have I seen this movie?

764

: 00:31:07

Pretty in Pink Falls.

765

: 00:31:08

Andy, who's played by Molly Ringwald

a creative working class, high

766

: 00:31:12

schooler, navigating love class

divide, which is huge in Hughes movies.

767

: 00:31:16

kyle (2): huge.

768

: 00:31:17

Katie (2): Yeah.

769

: 00:31:17

And social pressure.

770

: 00:31:18

When she starts dating rich, awkward

blame as prom approaches, Andy is

771

: 00:31:23

forced to choose between fitting

in, following her heart, and staying

772

: 00:31:26

true to herself while her best friend

Duckie lurks loudly on the sidelines.

773

: 00:31:33

kyle (2): Oh, I, I found I found a lot

of dynamics of this movie really strange.

774

: 00:31:37

I found Molly, I found

Andy's situation weird.

775

: 00:31:42

Like it was like single dad,

you don't see single dad a lot.

776

: 00:31:47

Like single mom is kind

of the thing, right?

777

: 00:31:49

Because I think in real life

there's way more single moms out

778

: 00:31:52

there than there are single dads.

779

: 00:31:53

Like it's usually dad that

splits if we're gonna be honest.

780

: 00:31:57

And I found the dad character really odd.

781

: 00:32:00

Katie (2): Harry Deed Stanton

782

: 00:32:01

kyle (2): Yeah, I feel like he was weird.

783

: 00:32:04

Like he, he's way too nice to

be in the situation he's in.

784

: 00:32:08

Like you think the unemployed,

alcoholic, heartbroken dad would not

785

: 00:32:13

be so kind and emotionally supportive.

786

: 00:32:16

Like you think he'd be like angry

all the time and like disillusioned.

787

: 00:32:22

But he seems like, this

leading heart nice dude.

788

: 00:32:26

And I, I didn't really buy that.

789

: 00:32:29

Katie (2): Interesting.

790

: 00:32:30

I, I think it happened quick.

791

: 00:32:32

I think when we first meet him,

he's more what you described.

792

: 00:32:36

kyle (2): That's what I, yeah.

793

: 00:32:37

As soon as I saw him and he is like,

she has to wake her hungover dad up

794

: 00:32:40

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

795

: 00:32:41

kyle (2): like she's kind of

in this pseudo caregiver role

796

: 00:32:44

Katie (2): very much so

797

: 00:32:46

and

798

: 00:32:46

very clearly.

799

: 00:32:47

This is this has been

going on for a while,

800

: 00:32:49

kyle (2): Yeah.

801

: 00:32:50

And I thought maybe your

mom died or something.

802

: 00:32:52

Katie (2): That's what you assume

whenever there's a single dad,

803

: 00:32:54

it's usually that the mom died.

804

: 00:32:56

kyle (2): Yeah, because mom I don't

if, if are moms who split, but I

805

: 00:33:00

feel like that's not, I feel like

a lot of moms would never do that.

806

: 00:33:06

Like they, they feel a greater sense

of responsibility and it's usually

807

: 00:33:10

the dad, like the man who splits

808

: 00:33:12

Katie (2): Yes.

809

: 00:33:14

But I.

810

: 00:33:14

think it helped from, it helped give

his character the right perspective

811

: 00:33:18

to kind of give advice and be

helpful because he's, his heart was

812

: 00:33:22

broken, so he kind of understands.

813

: 00:33:24

So I think we're meant to see him kind of

grow as a character, like kind of rise to

814

: 00:33:29

the occasion to be there for, for Andy.

815

: 00:33:32

But yeah, it was kind of quick.

816

: 00:33:33

kyle (2): You don't, you don't

see that huge arc though.

817

: 00:33:36

He seems like he's pretty

chill from the beginning.

818

: 00:33:38

Katie (2): Yeah.

819

: 00:33:39

Now, are you familiar with

him, with Harry Dean Stanton?

820

: 00:33:41

I.

821

: 00:33:42

kyle (2): I've seen him around

I don't know, is a person or

822

: 00:33:45

is like his characters he's

823

: 00:33:46

Katie (2): As an actor, like

824

: 00:33:48

kyle (2): No, I don't, I

don't know anything about him.

825

: 00:33:49

I looked him up on Wikipedia real quick.

826

: 00:33:52

Katie (2): well, he, the reason I

ask is 'cause he's been in other

827

: 00:33:54

movies, he played the dad in red Dawn,

828

: 00:33:58

kyle (2): Yeah.

829

: 00:33:58

Katie (2): Jed and Matt Matt's dad,

Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen.

830

: 00:34:02

He has over 200 acting credits.

831

: 00:34:03

So he's one of those guys.

832

: 00:34:04

He's in a ton of stuff.

833

: 00:34:07

And

834

: 00:34:07

I thought

835

: 00:34:07

kyle (2): a homeless guy or like a Dr.

836

: 00:34:09

Like he has that look to him where I'm

like, I've seen him as like a bum like

837

: 00:34:13

a bunch of times or something like that

in a bunch of films where I'm like, I

838

: 00:34:15

just can't quite put my finger on it.

839

: 00:34:19

Katie (2): Didn't you think he looked

kind of old to be playing her dad

840

: 00:34:22

in

841

: 00:34:23

kyle (2): I looked his age up because

you know, like the, this thing

842

: 00:34:26

where it's like people looked older

back then, so I'm like, is this guy

843

: 00:34:30

my age and just looks way older?

844

: 00:34:31

But he's not,

845

: 00:34:32

Katie (2): Same.

846

: 00:34:33

I had the exact same thing co.

847

: 00:34:35

kyle (2): he's 60 years old in that movie.

848

: 00:34:37

Katie (2): He is,

849

: 00:34:38

which

850

: 00:34:39

kyle (2): he's the same age where

he is roughly the, he's like a year

851

: 00:34:42

different between my grandma and I.

852

: 00:34:44

Right.

853

: 00:34:45

Like

854

: 00:34:45

Katie (2): Oh wow.

855

: 00:34:46

kyle (2): yeah he mean

my grandma's 98 now,

856

: 00:34:51

like, but she would've been 16

in: 1988

857

: 00:34:55

So it's like her and him would be very

similar and I'm like, yeah, he's like

858

: 00:34:59

this 60-year-old guy and Molly Ringwald.

859

: 00:35:01

It's like 17 or 18 in

860

: 00:35:03

Katie (2): 18.

861

: 00:35:03

I think they say.

862

: 00:35:04

kyle (2): Like just barely, sorry.

863

: 00:35:07

I was gonna say barely legal,

but that doesn't sound right.

864

: 00:35:10

Barely an, an adult.

865

: 00:35:11

Katie (2): I mean, she's

still in high school, so Yeah.

866

: 00:35:13

kyle (2): That would be like if

I had a kid now, which I could

867

: 00:35:17

like it's not like it's totally

unreasonable, but it's like, it's weird.

868

: 00:35:21

She's an only child to, you

think would be an only child,

869

: 00:35:25

at least to a 40-year-old dad.

870

: 00:35:27

There's no reference to any siblings.

871

: 00:35:29

So I can't,

872

: 00:35:30

Katie (2): Right.

873

: 00:35:30

kyle (2): if it's not in the film,

I'm assuming it doesn't exist.

874

: 00:35:33

Katie (2): Right

875

: 00:35:34

kyle (2): So it's like that's odd.

876

: 00:35:36

You would think someone of

that age growing up at that

877

: 00:35:38

time would have more kids.

878

: 00:35:41

Katie (2): and have kids younger.

879

: 00:35:42

I thought the same thing.

880

: 00:35:43

I was like, is this a case where

he's actually 40 and he just looked

881

: 00:35:45

kyle (2): Yeah.

882

: 00:35:46

Does she have a bunch of older siblings

who have moved out and are long gone?

883

: 00:35:50

Katie (2): So he's not actually, so

the actor, Harry Dean Stanton was 60

884

: 00:35:53

playing this role, but the clues they

give us in the movie make him 54.

885

: 00:35:57

So he's playing a 54-year-old,

886

: 00:36:00

which is still,

887

: 00:36:01

she talks about when

she was 14, he was 50,

888

: 00:36:07

and then four years later, I think they,

889

: 00:36:09

there was a scene at which they say

that, but that would still make him in

890

: 00:36:13

his like mid, early to mid forties when

he had her, which is totally normal now,

891

: 00:36:20

but in 86.

892

: 00:36:21

Yeah.

893

: 00:36:22

kyle (2): Well, like 14.

894

: 00:36:23

So that'd be like 1972.

895

: 00:36:27

If you were, oh no, wait, if

in: 1986

896

: 00:36:32

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

897

: 00:36:33

kyle (2): So yeah, in the sixties, having

kids at 40 would be like, pretty weird.

898

: 00:36:38

Katie (2): Exactly.

899

: 00:36:39

I, I just noted that I was

like, God is, he just seemed,

900

: 00:36:42

I like him as

901

: 00:36:42

kyle (2): the mom was way younger.

902

: 00:36:44

Katie (2): Could be.

903

: 00:36:44

Mm-hmm.

904

: 00:36:45

kyle (2): cause guys even now, I

think having a, as a woman, having a

905

: 00:36:48

kid at 40 is a little risky, I think

906

: 00:36:51

Katie (2): Well, they

907

: 00:36:51

say geriatric after

35, which is super fun.

908

: 00:36:54

kyle (2): yeah.

909

: 00:36:55

Katie (2): But especially in

more like, if you live in a city,

910

: 00:36:58

you're more likely to wait longer.

911

: 00:37:00

That seems like demographically so I do

see that way more normally now where women

912

: 00:37:06

are having kids in their forties now, but

913

: 00:37:09

back then,

914

: 00:37:10

kyle (2): for sure.

915

: 00:37:11

Because it's like even people getting

married, it's like people aren't getting

916

: 00:37:13

married till their thirties now, and it

used to be like early to mid twenties.

917

: 00:37:18

You got married and then you

had kids that, you know, that

918

: 00:37:21

year or a couple years later.

919

: 00:37:24

Basically what I did, actually,

I'm kind of old school, I guess

920

: 00:37:26

Katie (2): You, you are.

921

: 00:37:28

Yes, you are.

922

: 00:37:30

But that makes you a young cool dad,

923

: 00:37:32

kyle (2): that's how I

924

: 00:37:33

Katie (2): you know?

925

: 00:37:34

Yeah.

926

: 00:37:35

What did you think about, so John Crier

plays Ducky, the best friend in this,

927

: 00:37:40

kyle (2): Yeah.

928

: 00:37:41

Katie (2): he's obviously, we probably

know him from two and a half men, is

929

: 00:37:44

probably where we most know him from, I

don't really know him from anything else,

930

: 00:37:47

aside from this and that.

931

: 00:37:49

kyle (2): Yeah.

932

: 00:37:50

He's very odd character.

933

: 00:37:52

Very bizarre.

934

: 00:37:54

My wife is like, he for sure has a DHD.

935

: 00:37:56

There's no question.

936

: 00:37:58

'cause my wife has really bad A DHD.

937

: 00:38:00

Right.

938

: 00:38:00

And so does my daughter Actually,

my daughter was convinced he

939

: 00:38:04

was actually gay the whole time.

940

: 00:38:07

Katie (2): You know, that's

interesting that you say that.

941

: 00:38:08

Molly Ringwald, that's

what she felt like also

942

: 00:38:11

like that yeah, like she felt like

there's no way that Andy would go

943

: 00:38:15

with Ducky because she feels like

Ducky was a closeted gay person.

944

: 00:38:19

kyle (2): well then that's, that's

maybe why she like preferred

945

: 00:38:23

the, the ending the way it was.

946

: 00:38:26

Maybe

947

: 00:38:26

Katie (2): That is why.

948

: 00:38:27

kyle (2): best friend.

949

: 00:38:27

Okay.

950

: 00:38:28

Yeah.

951

: 00:38:28

That makes more sense than oh, like I

don't like that best friend dynamic of

952

: 00:38:32

turning into a boyfriend or whatever.

953

: 00:38:35

Yeah.

954

: 00:38:35

She like my, my daughter.

955

: 00:38:37

She won't mind me saying this.

956

: 00:38:38

She's like, my daughter's like

pansexual, so she, I think she

957

: 00:38:41

has some, some gayar type of

958

: 00:38:44

Katie (2): That would make sense.

959

: 00:38:45

Yeah.

960

: 00:38:45

kyle (2): Yeah, this guy,

I, I don't, I don't buy it.

961

: 00:38:48

You know, yeah.

962

: 00:38:50

Katie (2): So Anthony Michael

Hall turned this down.

963

: 00:38:54

It's so funny that John Hughes want, so he

wanted Molly Ringwald to also be in some

964

: 00:38:58

kind of wonderful, it's literally the same

965

: 00:39:00

movie.

966

: 00:39:00

And then he also wanted Anthony

Michael Hall to be in this, and he

967

: 00:39:03

already did that was 16 candles.

968

: 00:39:05

It's like, why are you

keep making the same movie?

969

: 00:39:07

Yeah.

970

: 00:39:08

kyle (2): find some directors

just like having the same

971

: 00:39:11

actors over and over again.

972

: 00:39:12

Like Martin Scorsese's like that, like

973

: 00:39:16

Katie (2): But it's like the same movie.

974

: 00:39:17

kyle (2): I know.

975

: 00:39:18

I know.

976

: 00:39:21

Yeah.

977

: 00:39:21

I wonder if it's like he just wants to

like, kind of perfect it or you know,

978

: 00:39:27

you just comfortable in a certain groove

979

: 00:39:29

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

980

: 00:39:30

kyle (2): You know, like

981

: 00:39:31

Katie (2): John Hughes was really

close with Molly Ringwald and Anthony

982

: 00:39:34

Michael Hall for a few years, and then

they both had kind of, famous, like

983

: 00:39:38

breaking up so to speak with John Hughes.

984

: 00:39:41

So I think he holds a grudge but I

did also read that Robert Downey Jr.

985

: 00:39:45

Was almost cast as ducky and

986

: 00:39:48

so Molly Ring.

987

: 00:39:49

Yeah, Molly,

988

: 00:39:50

Molly said that if that had been

the case, it would make sense.

989

: 00:39:55

She would've liked the original ending

that she ended up with her friend.

990

: 00:39:57

Had it been Robert Downey Jr.

991

: 00:40:00

'cause he didn't give

her the brother vibe.

992

: 00:40:03

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah.

993

: 00:40:05

Well that's kinda the thing though,

is he kind of has to have the brother

994

: 00:40:07

vibe, at least at the beginning, to be

that friend zoned kid you grew up with.

995

: 00:40:12

Right.

996

: 00:40:13

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

997

: 00:40:13

kyle (2): My wife and I this morning,

we, we have what we call coffee

998

: 00:40:16

talk, on Sunday we sit down, we have

coffee, we just chat about whatever,

999

: 00:40:20

and we talk about this movie.

: 1000

00:40:22,046 --> 00:40:26,786

It's a podcast prep, and we were both kind

of fascinated by ducky and how you don't

: 1001

00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:31,466

learn much about him, his background,

you just get this one snippet of where

: 1002

00:40:31,466 --> 00:40:33,446

he lives and it's kind of disturbing.

: 1003

00:40:33,776 --> 00:40:36,656

Like he has this mattress on the floor

and it doesn't look like a bedroom.

: 1004

00:40:36,656 --> 00:40:38,876

It looks like, it's like you

see the window to the side, it

: 1005

00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:40,106

looks like a living room window.

: 1006

00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:43,406

You see a chair that looks like a

living room chair, and then you see

: 1007

00:40:43,406 --> 00:40:45,866

like graffiti or something on the wall.

: 1008

00:40:45,866 --> 00:40:47,956

There's a spray painted do

you live in a crack house?

: 1009

00:40:47,956 --> 00:40:50,956

Like, where do you,

like, where do you live?

: 1010

00:40:50,956 --> 00:40:53,986

Like you, you're obviously like in

the same neighborhood as her, right?

: 1011

00:40:53,986 --> 00:40:58,456

Like you're in this rougher neighborhood,

but it's like, what is ducky story?

: 1012

00:40:58,456 --> 00:40:59,746

I wanna know that so bad.

: 1013

00:40:59,746 --> 00:41:02,986

And that's what I kinda like too, like

I like a movie with a bit of mystery

: 1014

00:41:02,986 --> 00:41:06,166

where you could kind of make your own

story about ducky or whatever, but.

: 1015

00:41:07,411 --> 00:41:08,491

Katie (2): That's a really great point.

: 1016

00:41:08,491 --> 00:41:10,621

I kind of noticed that too, and

I was like, is this just supposed

: 1017

00:41:10,621 --> 00:41:13,681

to show us that they, they live

in, like the bad part of town

: 1018

00:41:13,731 --> 00:41:14,151

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1019

00:41:14,181 --> 00:41:17,961

Like I actually, when I first saw the

movie, I wasn't aware that it was like

: 1020

00:41:17,961 --> 00:41:20,001

about class dynamics as much, right.

: 1021

00:41:20,001 --> 00:41:21,651

Because I, I didn't

know anything about it.

: 1022

00:41:22,461 --> 00:41:26,971

And I always, we've talked about this

before it seems like in a lot of these

: 1023

00:41:26,971 --> 00:41:30,991

movies, it shows like the, what, what is

supposed to be like the average American

: 1024

00:41:30,991 --> 00:41:35,941

family way more affluent than what

the average American family really is.

: 1025

00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:36,371

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1026

00:41:36,751 --> 00:41:39,121

kyle (2): And so when I saw like

this street cleaner going through

: 1027

00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:43,021

this neighborhood and like this,

the street was all fucked up.

: 1028

00:41:43,021 --> 00:41:45,601

And it's like her house

was like noticeably kind of

: 1029

00:41:45,631 --> 00:41:47,281

old and a little bit dingy.

: 1030

00:41:47,281 --> 00:41:50,641

I was just like, what,

what's happening here?

: 1031

00:41:50,741 --> 00:41:52,871

Katie (2): They're introducing you

to where she lives and who they

: 1032

00:41:53,126 --> 00:41:54,926

kyle (2): yeah, but it's,

it is just, yeah, exactly.

: 1033

00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:58,226

It, it just was not my like,

usually it's like, you see these,

: 1034

00:41:58,226 --> 00:42:00,296

these are way more idyllic scenes.

: 1035

00:42:00,606 --> 00:42:00,826

Katie (2): Oh.

: 1036

00:42:01,026 --> 00:42:03,481

'cause you didn't know, like

you were hit with it, as a

: 1037

00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:03,991

surprise

: 1038

00:42:04,171 --> 00:42:04,981

kyle (2): I was just like, what?

: 1039

00:42:05,011 --> 00:42:06,211

What's happening here?

: 1040

00:42:06,211 --> 00:42:07,411

This is so bizarre.

: 1041

00:42:07,411 --> 00:42:11,191

Like it's not in this movie, it

shows like you either are in like

: 1042

00:42:11,191 --> 00:42:12,961

this scene or an ultra mansion.

: 1043

00:42:13,921 --> 00:42:14,851

Katie (2): There's no in between.

: 1044

00:42:14,851 --> 00:42:17,761

kyle (2): There's no,

yeah, like just typical.

: 1045

00:42:18,571 --> 00:42:19,951

Like her house wasn't even that bad.

: 1046

00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:20,911

It was just really old.

: 1047

00:42:21,361 --> 00:42:22,471

Like it wasn't kept up.

: 1048

00:42:22,471 --> 00:42:25,411

Like that actually could be a really

cool house if it was like maintained

: 1049

00:42:25,586 --> 00:42:26,006

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1050

00:42:27,241 --> 00:42:29,071

kyle (2): yeah, it was like

obviously in a neighborhood that

: 1051

00:42:29,071 --> 00:42:31,141

probably was once fairly nice.

: 1052

00:42:32,101 --> 00:42:36,661

And it's supposed to be in Chicago,

but it's in la and this is a weird

: 1053

00:42:36,661 --> 00:42:39,421

thing, but like you could tell it's

in LA 'cause of the streetlight.

: 1054

00:42:39,481 --> 00:42:42,641

There's they must film in like the

same neighborhood in la but there's

: 1055

00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:45,521

like all these movies where the

streetlights are exactly the same.

: 1056

00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:48,581

Like the, like Wayne's World for

example, is supposed to be in Chicago,

: 1057

00:42:48,581 --> 00:42:51,761

but it's also filmed in LA and

it's the same fucking streetlights.

: 1058

00:42:52,901 --> 00:42:56,431

Katie (2): In the, in Andy's

neighborhood or in the, the well to-do

: 1059

00:42:56,686 --> 00:42:58,846

kyle (2): Andy's neighborhood, I think.

: 1060

00:42:59,086 --> 00:43:00,466

I think maybe also the Welted.

: 1061

00:43:00,526 --> 00:43:00,616

I

: 1062

00:43:00,616 --> 00:43:01,006

don't know.

: 1063

00:43:01,006 --> 00:43:02,206

I just remember seeing this streetlight.

: 1064

00:43:02,206 --> 00:43:05,696

I'm like, I, I recognize that

style of streetlight that's this

: 1065

00:43:05,696 --> 00:43:08,606

is a, this is an LA thing because

I've never seen it anywhere else.

: 1066

00:43:09,296 --> 00:43:09,776

Katie (2): You're right.

: 1067

00:43:09,776 --> 00:43:13,826

With most John Hughes movies, it's

set in Chicago, and I noticed that

: 1068

00:43:13,826 --> 00:43:17,606

it said Elgin on the street Sweeper,

which it must be like either a

: 1069

00:43:17,606 --> 00:43:20,336

suburb or a small town near Chicago.

: 1070

00:43:20,426 --> 00:43:25,136

And the only reason I knew it was

in Chicago because I was a big fan

: 1071

00:43:25,136 --> 00:43:27,026

of the show, Roseanne growing up,

: 1072

00:43:27,026 --> 00:43:30,986

and they live in Lanford, which is

supposed to be like, I don't, I don't

: 1073

00:43:30,986 --> 00:43:34,916

know, like some within an

hour or two of Chicago.

: 1074

00:43:35,186 --> 00:43:39,326

And they talk about Elgin Lanford is

a fictitious place, but like they talk

: 1075

00:43:39,326 --> 00:43:41,156

about going to Elgin a lot in that show.

: 1076

00:43:41,666 --> 00:43:41,876

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1077

00:43:41,891 --> 00:43:45,221

Waynes World's supposed to be in Aurora,

which is an actual Chicago suburb.

: 1078

00:43:45,836 --> 00:43:48,716

But it's like kind of at the

periphery of like greater Chicago.

: 1079

00:43:49,796 --> 00:43:50,906

But yeah, I don't know.

: 1080

00:43:50,911 --> 00:43:52,466

Is Hefr, is John Hughes from there?

: 1081

00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:54,266

Or is like, why does he

like Chicago so much?

: 1082

00:43:54,881 --> 00:43:58,061

No one has like Chicago accents, but,

: 1083

00:43:58,376 --> 00:43:59,096

Katie (2): No

: 1084

00:43:59,141 --> 00:43:59,861

kyle (2): which is fine.

: 1085

00:43:59,861 --> 00:44:02,981

'cause I think with a lot of movies

you don't want people to have like

: 1086

00:44:02,981 --> 00:44:06,431

really regional accents unless it's

like there's exceptions like Goodwill

: 1087

00:44:06,431 --> 00:44:07,421

hunting or something like that.

: 1088

00:44:07,421 --> 00:44:10,301

Or Fargo, where it's

like very much regional.

: 1089

00:44:10,331 --> 00:44:13,881

But I think like the LA accent

other than like the Valley

: 1090

00:44:13,881 --> 00:44:15,801

Girl accent is fairly generic

: 1091

00:44:15,841 --> 00:44:16,261

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1092

00:44:16,346 --> 00:44:16,806

Mm-hmm.

: 1093

00:44:17,763 --> 00:44:22,083

What did you think of Iona, the

character Iona played by Annie Potts?

: 1094

00:44:22,193 --> 00:44:25,248

kyle (2): This was the, the, the

friend that worked at the record store

: 1095

00:44:26,088 --> 00:44:28,368

well okay, so she's like,

is she a professional?

: 1096

00:44:28,368 --> 00:44:31,488

Cindy Lauper impersonator, like

she looks like Sidney Lauper

: 1097

00:44:31,863 --> 00:44:33,063

Katie (2): It was of that time.

: 1098

00:44:33,063 --> 00:44:33,843

I, I don't know.

: 1099

00:44:33,843 --> 00:44:34,683

I kind of got a kick out

: 1100

00:44:34,698 --> 00:44:38,218

kyle (2): She really just this

whole movie is quintessentially

: 1101

00:44:38,218 --> 00:44:39,538

eighties and how could it not be?

: 1102

00:44:39,568 --> 00:44:41,188

'cause it's in the middle of the eighties.

: 1103

00:44:41,668 --> 00:44:44,968

But she was like such a

core, I loved that character

: 1104

00:44:45,253 --> 00:44:45,943

Katie (2): Me too.

: 1105

00:44:46,258 --> 00:44:47,008

kyle (2): I loved her.

: 1106

00:44:47,038 --> 00:44:51,298

She was changing her look all the

time, and she was just kind of this

: 1107

00:44:51,298 --> 00:44:54,838

like person who was just kind of

floating around through life, you

: 1108

00:44:54,838 --> 00:44:56,668

know, like she has a record store job.

: 1109

00:44:57,028 --> 00:45:00,298

She lives in this weird

apartment in Chinatown.

: 1110

00:45:00,828 --> 00:45:04,878

She'd have these like bizarre phone

conversations, like yelling stuff out.

: 1111

00:45:04,878 --> 00:45:09,408

Like she's like that quintessentially

quirky friend who's just,

: 1112

00:45:09,408 --> 00:45:10,908

she's just a little bit odd.

: 1113

00:45:11,688 --> 00:45:12,768

And I loved her.

: 1114

00:45:12,828 --> 00:45:14,748

I, I thought she was

such a great character.

: 1115

00:45:15,183 --> 00:45:17,253

Katie (2): She was the

highlight of the movie for me.

: 1116

00:45:17,253 --> 00:45:18,393

I loved her.

: 1117

00:45:18,393 --> 00:45:21,123

This character, I think

I like related to her.

: 1118

00:45:21,123 --> 00:45:21,783

I don't know why.

: 1119

00:45:21,783 --> 00:45:24,993

'cause I'm not, I don't like

spike my hair and I never did.

: 1120

00:45:24,993 --> 00:45:27,113

But based on what they talk

about, she must have been like

: 1121

00:45:27,113 --> 00:45:29,573

in her early or mid thirties.

: 1122

00:45:29,993 --> 00:45:30,473

kyle (2): I think, yeah.

: 1123

00:45:30,503 --> 00:45:34,583

'cause she went to prom in the sixties,

'cause she mentions the sixties and

: 1124

00:45:34,583 --> 00:45:37,853

also like when she wore her prom

dress and then she had her like wig or

: 1125

00:45:38,063 --> 00:45:38,903

Katie (2): Beehive.

: 1126

00:45:38,908 --> 00:45:39,238

Mm-hmm.

: 1127

00:45:39,293 --> 00:45:40,493

kyle (2): like, yeah,

this obvious beehive.

: 1128

00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:46,313

So, you know, I would say: 1967

ish, she would've been in like

: 1129

00:45:46,373 --> 00:45:47,903

her last year of high school.

: 1130

00:45:47,903 --> 00:45:53,363

So that would put her born around

: 1950

: 1131

00:45:53,363 --> 00:45:56,003

So she's probably like

mid thirties, early to mid

: 1132

00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:56,753

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1133

00:45:57,548 --> 00:46:02,198

Which, yeah, it's funny 'cause she's

goes after different, like she,

: 1134

00:46:02,363 --> 00:46:04,463

kyle (2): I guess she's not really

single, but sorry, go ahead.

: 1135

00:46:04,688 --> 00:46:07,658

Katie (2): no, she is single, but

she, we see her kind of swap men.

: 1136

00:46:07,748 --> 00:46:11,138

Like she throws one to the curb and she's

got this new guy and I really like him.

: 1137

00:46:11,138 --> 00:46:14,608

And but she was kind of like

the older sister, sort of

: 1138

00:46:14,608 --> 00:46:15,838

to Andy.

: 1139

00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:16,858

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1140

00:46:17,008 --> 00:46:17,398

Yeah.

: 1141

00:46:17,638 --> 00:46:21,298

Well it's like Andy, she

works at this record store.

: 1142

00:46:21,748 --> 00:46:23,578

She has a car,

: 1143

00:46:24,268 --> 00:46:24,658

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1144

00:46:25,198 --> 00:46:27,328

kyle (2): and now it's not the nicest car.

: 1145

00:46:27,358 --> 00:46:29,338

Like it has some dents in

it and stuff like that,

: 1146

00:46:29,428 --> 00:46:30,418

Katie (2): it's really old.

: 1147

00:46:30,748 --> 00:46:32,818

kyle (2): it's not a total

piece of shit either, though.

: 1148

00:46:32,968 --> 00:46:33,088

I

: 1149

00:46:33,328 --> 00:46:34,408

Katie (2): I thought it was kind of cool.

: 1150

00:46:34,438 --> 00:46:36,328

kyle (2): Yeah, it's like a it exactly.

: 1151

00:46:36,898 --> 00:46:40,318

Sorry, it's all over the place, but I,

in my mind I'm always thinking about

: 1152

00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:45,178

like, how real is something, like the

logistics and I'm like, how do they live?

: 1153

00:46:45,328 --> 00:46:47,158

Like her dad doesn't have a job.

: 1154

00:46:48,118 --> 00:46:53,458

Like they, they must be on like food

stamps or like welfare or something.

: 1155

00:46:53,953 --> 00:46:55,093

Katie (2): She mentions,

: 1156

00:46:55,963 --> 00:46:57,673

I think he must work part-time.

: 1157

00:46:57,673 --> 00:46:59,053

She mentioned something about,

: 1158

00:46:59,863 --> 00:47:01,338

do you wanna just work part-time forever?

: 1159

00:47:02,308 --> 00:47:02,968

kyle (2): oh, maybe.

: 1160

00:47:02,968 --> 00:47:03,178

Yeah.

: 1161

00:47:03,208 --> 00:47:05,218

'cause he was like, oh, I got a job.

: 1162

00:47:05,938 --> 00:47:06,358

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1163

00:47:06,508 --> 00:47:09,208

kyle (2): And she's oh,

I'm so proud of you.

: 1164

00:47:09,268 --> 00:47:09,778

And.

: 1165

00:47:10,543 --> 00:47:12,193

Yeah, so maybe he works part-time.

: 1166

00:47:12,223 --> 00:47:14,653

Maybe she helps out with a

bit of a record store money.

: 1167

00:47:15,553 --> 00:47:17,233

But yeah, like she, I don't know.

: 1168

00:47:17,233 --> 00:47:20,893

I find that's like a weird tangent,

but I just, I kept thinking that

: 1169

00:47:20,893 --> 00:47:25,213

when she's working at the record

store and I'm like, maybe it's just

: 1170

00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:26,503

easier to live in the eighties.

: 1171

00:47:26,503 --> 00:47:27,343

You can live off

: 1172

00:47:28,738 --> 00:47:30,178

Katie (2): I think that's partially true.

: 1173

00:47:30,208 --> 00:47:31,948

Yeah, probably partially true.

: 1174

00:47:32,048 --> 00:47:34,538

But we also, we see

that she's very frugal.

: 1175

00:47:34,618 --> 00:47:39,198

She has this like very unique sense

of style, like eclectic but she makes

: 1176

00:47:39,198 --> 00:47:42,678

it, she gets things secondhand and

then she kind of makes things her own,

: 1177

00:47:43,248 --> 00:47:45,798

which she freaking did in 16 candles too.

: 1178

00:47:45,798 --> 00:47:50,448

It's like co again, John Hughes was

like just grabbing ingredients from

: 1179

00:47:50,448 --> 00:47:51,738

movies and putting it together.

: 1180

00:47:52,138 --> 00:47:52,498

But,

: 1181

00:47:52,723 --> 00:47:53,893

kyle (2): if he was poor growing up.

: 1182

00:47:56,038 --> 00:47:57,358

Katie (2): I don't think so.

: 1183

00:47:57,458 --> 00:48:01,868

I feel like I read that he did live

in maybe like a suburb, a similar

: 1184

00:48:01,868 --> 00:48:03,188

suburb of Chicago or something.

: 1185

00:48:03,188 --> 00:48:06,608

And I don't, I, I don't think he

was well off, but I don't know.

: 1186

00:48:06,608 --> 00:48:10,268

He seems really, really focused

on the class divide a lot.

: 1187

00:48:10,313 --> 00:48:12,563

kyle (2): I think that that's

also maybe an eighties thing.

: 1188

00:48:12,583 --> 00:48:13,003

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1189

00:48:13,493 --> 00:48:18,803

kyle (2): the materialism of the

eighties was a huge theme in this movie.

: 1190

00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:24,593

And I feel like from my own personal

memory in the nineties, there was

: 1191

00:48:24,593 --> 00:48:27,023

somewhat of a carryover in the nineties

: 1192

00:48:27,158 --> 00:48:27,698

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1193

00:48:28,283 --> 00:48:30,533

kyle (2): Like where people, I'm not

saying people aren't materialistic

: 1194

00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:34,433

now, but I feel like it's not

as, as bad or not as prevalent.

: 1195

00:48:35,243 --> 00:48:37,703

Katie (2): The average person isn't, yeah,

: 1196

00:48:37,928 --> 00:48:38,558

kyle (2): yeah, yeah.

: 1197

00:48:38,558 --> 00:48:39,068

Exactly.

: 1198

00:48:39,068 --> 00:48:42,278

Like I feel like those, those

bully high school girls.

: 1199

00:48:42,278 --> 00:48:47,048

I'm like, I know you like I, I, I

know versions of you from like my real

: 1200

00:48:47,048 --> 00:48:49,328

life because I, I grew up in a suburb.

: 1201

00:48:50,213 --> 00:48:55,763

That was like generally fairly well off,

but I wasn't like, I feel like I related

: 1202

00:48:55,763 --> 00:48:59,993

to Molly Ringwald character a bit, or she

reminded me of my sister a little bit.

: 1203

00:49:00,868 --> 00:49:01,158

Katie (2): Okay.

: 1204

00:49:01,283 --> 00:49:04,793

kyle (2): I remember my sister

talking about my sister's your age.

: 1205

00:49:04,793 --> 00:49:06,263

So we're pretty close in age.

: 1206

00:49:06,438 --> 00:49:06,858

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1207

00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,743

kyle (2): talking about you know,

you could really get made fun

: 1208

00:49:09,743 --> 00:49:11,393

of if you had secondhand clothes

: 1209

00:49:11,393 --> 00:49:14,513

or you know, if you had

a unique style, right?

: 1210

00:49:14,513 --> 00:49:20,003

It, it was really about like how

expensive your clothes could be and

: 1211

00:49:20,003 --> 00:49:22,563

like that really cemented your status.

: 1212

00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:28,453

I remember for example, in junior

high, everyone wore Nike shoes.

: 1213

00:49:29,803 --> 00:49:31,483

Everyone like wore Nike, everything.

: 1214

00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:33,483

There's this face, remember

the tracksuit face?

: 1215

00:49:33,483 --> 00:49:34,713

Did you have that in Denver?

: 1216

00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:35,793

Like in

: 1217

00:49:35,883 --> 00:49:38,823

Katie (2): Well, I grew

up in Nebraska, but yeah.

: 1218

00:49:38,883 --> 00:49:44,243

but, and similar, I went to a Catholic

school so there were, and it was a small

: 1219

00:49:44,243 --> 00:49:48,023

town, but four, a small town in Nebraska,

like some well off people and Catholic

: 1220

00:49:48,023 --> 00:49:49,673

schools, so we wore uniforms, but,

: 1221

00:49:50,483 --> 00:49:55,403

so, but like your shoes it's like, the

popular kids, like everybody had the

: 1222

00:49:55,403 --> 00:49:59,933

same shoes just in different colors or

everybody wore the same outfit, just in

: 1223

00:49:59,933 --> 00:50:01,643

different, like different versions of it.

: 1224

00:50:01,673 --> 00:50:06,233

And so if you grow up in a place like that

and you have any actual sense of style and

: 1225

00:50:06,233 --> 00:50:09,383

are unique in any way that is punished.

: 1226

00:50:09,618 --> 00:50:10,253

kyle (2): It is pun.

: 1227

00:50:10,313 --> 00:50:11,393

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

: 1228

00:50:11,393 --> 00:50:14,843

'cause I remember like the shoes

kids wore that were popular when I

: 1229

00:50:14,843 --> 00:50:21,413

was in junior high in like the mid

nineties were like $150 shoes, which

: 1230

00:50:21,413 --> 00:50:23,033

like my family would never buy.

: 1231

00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:26,333

Like I just, that was not in the budget.

: 1232

00:50:26,813 --> 00:50:28,223

And yeah, I totally agree.

: 1233

00:50:28,223 --> 00:50:32,643

If you had your own sense of style and

you were unique, you were a target,

: 1234

00:50:32,703 --> 00:50:35,913

like you were the, you know, the

Japanese, they were saying like, the

: 1235

00:50:35,913 --> 00:50:37,443

nail that sticks out gets hammered.

: 1236

00:50:38,928 --> 00:50:39,738

Katie (2): Ah.

: 1237

00:50:40,503 --> 00:50:40,833

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1238

00:50:40,833 --> 00:50:43,143

And I feel like that part

of, that's human nature.

: 1239

00:50:43,483 --> 00:50:43,903

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1240

00:50:44,433 --> 00:50:47,433

kyle (2): Like you're, you know, like

you're still fighting yourself in junior

: 1241

00:50:47,433 --> 00:50:52,053

high and high school and you like, you

have a, an urge to fit in and like that,

: 1242

00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:57,843

I think that remains with you throughout

your life, but it diminishes like I think

: 1243

00:50:57,843 --> 00:51:01,293

with the older you get, like old people

especially, do you just do not give a shit

: 1244

00:51:01,758 --> 00:51:05,268

Katie (2): I don't, I definitely don't

know, but I, I think that's why in

: 1245

00:51:05,268 --> 00:51:10,108

a lot of these movies or TV shows,

it's like you show an adolescent or

: 1246

00:51:10,108 --> 00:51:15,028

teenager that isn't one of those,

you know, in the click people.

: 1247

00:51:15,598 --> 00:51:19,168

And , there's always someone like

the Iona character here, trying to.

: 1248

00:51:20,183 --> 00:51:23,573

Lift up that person and

be like, just, just wait.

: 1249

00:51:23,633 --> 00:51:23,813

'cause

: 1250

00:51:23,813 --> 00:51:26,813

this, this will be rewarded

as it when you're grown up.

: 1251

00:51:27,143 --> 00:51:30,113

Those people will be, has beens

they peaked in high school, but

: 1252

00:51:30,113 --> 00:51:31,433

you, you know what I mean?

: 1253

00:51:31,433 --> 00:51:32,813

So it's, that seems to be the

: 1254

00:51:32,813 --> 00:51:33,173

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1255

00:51:33,203 --> 00:51:36,323

'cause she's, she's like that, those

people are cool once they're in

: 1256

00:51:36,323 --> 00:51:38,453

their twenties and in their thirties.

: 1257

00:51:38,813 --> 00:51:39,113

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1258

00:51:39,413 --> 00:51:39,833

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1259

00:51:40,283 --> 00:51:40,493

Yeah.

: 1260

00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:44,733

There, there is kind of, so there's

nothing more pathetic than someone who say

: 1261

00:51:44,733 --> 00:51:49,683

is like my age and doesn't stop talking

about what they did in high school.

: 1262

00:51:50,538 --> 00:51:51,663

Katie (2): Do, do you find that

: 1263

00:51:52,023 --> 00:51:53,613

kyle (2): Not a ton in really?

: 1264

00:51:53,613 --> 00:51:54,063

No.

: 1265

00:51:54,183 --> 00:51:58,173

Like I, I see it more in media, but

yeah, occasionally those people, you

: 1266

00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:00,663

could tell, like those people that peaked

in high school or peaked in college

: 1267

00:52:01,593 --> 00:52:04,683

and you know, they're always talking

about, oh, I was like this and I was

: 1268

00:52:04,683 --> 00:52:06,153

like that and I could have done this.

: 1269

00:52:06,153 --> 00:52:07,413

And I'm like, okay.

: 1270

00:52:08,143 --> 00:52:09,013

That's the past.

: 1271

00:52:09,013 --> 00:52:09,823

Where are you now?

: 1272

00:52:09,853 --> 00:52:10,153

Right?

: 1273

00:52:10,258 --> 00:52:10,678

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1274

00:52:12,153 --> 00:52:15,743

Well, speaking of the class divide

and the, the Richies, as she

: 1275

00:52:15,743 --> 00:52:19,553

says, James Spader plays Steph,

: 1276

00:52:19,923 --> 00:52:24,403

Who is Blaine's best friend and he's

that typical dick guy that like,

: 1277

00:52:25,498 --> 00:52:25,768

kyle (2): I had a

: 1278

00:52:25,768 --> 00:52:26,038

real

: 1279

00:52:26,173 --> 00:52:27,163

Katie (2): the prototype,

: 1280

00:52:27,418 --> 00:52:27,838

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1281

00:52:27,838 --> 00:52:31,328

I actually and this is from the

perspective of someone who didn't

: 1282

00:52:31,328 --> 00:52:35,188

see this movie coming out, that

that I had a hard time with James

: 1283

00:52:35,188 --> 00:52:36,508

Spader being this character.

: 1284

00:52:36,538 --> 00:52:37,528

'cause it's James Spader,

: 1285

00:52:38,623 --> 00:52:38,833

Katie (2): you

: 1286

00:52:38,833 --> 00:52:39,013

know

: 1287

00:52:39,058 --> 00:52:40,228

kyle (2): saw this Yeah.

: 1288

00:52:40,498 --> 00:52:41,278

From other stuff.

: 1289

00:52:41,338 --> 00:52:41,668

What's that?

: 1290

00:52:41,668 --> 00:52:44,998

Show these on, I mean,

binge watching this on Yeah.

: 1291

00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:45,658

Blacklist.

: 1292

00:52:46,033 --> 00:52:47,533

Katie (2): I never saw

that, but he's, yeah.

: 1293

00:52:47,563 --> 00:52:48,103

Blacklist.

: 1294

00:52:48,103 --> 00:52:48,373

Robert,

: 1295

00:52:48,418 --> 00:52:49,618

kyle (2): watched that show for a while.

: 1296

00:52:49,618 --> 00:52:49,798

Yeah.

: 1297

00:52:49,798 --> 00:52:50,818

Robert California.

: 1298

00:52:51,418 --> 00:52:52,768

So see him from Blacklist.

: 1299

00:52:52,828 --> 00:52:53,338

Blacklist.

: 1300

00:52:53,368 --> 00:52:56,248

He's kind of like, he's this badass,

but he is also kind of nerdy.

: 1301

00:52:56,893 --> 00:52:57,133

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1302

00:52:57,508 --> 00:53:00,178

kyle (2): I, I see him as

this bald, nerdy type of guy.

: 1303

00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:04,678

So when I see him and just his

voice doesn't match the character.

: 1304

00:53:04,678 --> 00:53:07,978

Like he, because he sounds

exactly the same back then

: 1305

00:53:07,978 --> 00:53:09,238

as he does now, more or less.

: 1306

00:53:09,898 --> 00:53:12,388

And he, he's actually was quite

good looking in this film.

: 1307

00:53:12,388 --> 00:53:12,598

I was

: 1308

00:53:12,673 --> 00:53:13,153

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1309

00:53:13,243 --> 00:53:14,713

Back in the day, James Bader was

: 1310

00:53:14,743 --> 00:53:16,633

like, he he played this character.

: 1311

00:53:16,633 --> 00:53:17,593

That's who he was.

: 1312

00:53:17,713 --> 00:53:21,373

kyle (2): And I was like, but I,

I just because of, because I seen

: 1313

00:53:21,373 --> 00:53:23,353

James Spader as like an older adult.

: 1314

00:53:24,133 --> 00:53:27,673

It was really hard to

like, accept him even as

: 1315

00:53:27,673 --> 00:53:28,483

Katie (2): I can see that.

: 1316

00:53:28,873 --> 00:53:29,203

Yeah,

: 1317

00:53:29,263 --> 00:53:30,043

I can see that.

: 1318

00:53:30,643 --> 00:53:32,413

Didn't you think he did a good job though,

: 1319

00:53:33,313 --> 00:53:34,483

kyle (2): he did.

: 1320

00:53:34,513 --> 00:53:35,293

He did.

: 1321

00:53:35,323 --> 00:53:35,893

Yeah.

: 1322

00:53:36,313 --> 00:53:39,613

I feel like his character, I,

that's a character I also want to

: 1323

00:53:39,613 --> 00:53:44,143

know more about because he's just

like over the top prick, right?

: 1324

00:53:45,313 --> 00:53:48,073

There's no, there's not a

lot of depth to him though.

: 1325

00:53:48,253 --> 00:53:52,723

But you kind of get a little hint at

his house party that he's not happy.

: 1326

00:53:53,038 --> 00:53:53,258

And

: 1327

00:53:53,908 --> 00:53:54,028

Katie (2): I.

: 1328

00:53:54,523 --> 00:53:57,493

kyle (2): also you get a few hints

there, but he has he's like in he's

: 1329

00:53:57,493 --> 00:54:00,993

kind of in his bed and I know that

what's her name that, that the mean

: 1330

00:54:00,993 --> 00:54:04,383

girl that he dates Benny, he's with her.

: 1331

00:54:04,383 --> 00:54:07,803

So he is probably trying to get laid up

there or whatever, but he's just watching.

: 1332

00:54:07,803 --> 00:54:09,183

He doesn't seem happy around her.

: 1333

00:54:09,183 --> 00:54:09,933

Even at prom.

: 1334

00:54:10,803 --> 00:54:11,913

He doesn't seem happy.

: 1335

00:54:12,483 --> 00:54:17,073

He, he seems like a deeply sad person,

which is interesting because like from

: 1336

00:54:17,073 --> 00:54:19,923

the outside he seems to have it all.

: 1337

00:54:19,923 --> 00:54:23,853

Molly Ringold drives by his house

early in the film, or Andy, and she's

: 1338

00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:25,293

I wonder what that's like inside.

: 1339

00:54:26,783 --> 00:54:29,603

They probably didn't even like this

house as much as me, and I don't think

: 1340

00:54:29,603 --> 00:54:31,733

he does because his house is empty.

: 1341

00:54:32,033 --> 00:54:34,763

Like his parents are nowhere to be seen.

: 1342

00:54:35,423 --> 00:54:39,473

I always find it funny these teenagers

have these rager parties and it's like,

: 1343

00:54:39,473 --> 00:54:42,173

I could see, maybe say that your parents

were away in a ski trip or something.

: 1344

00:54:42,173 --> 00:54:43,703

So it's like, let's do this.

: 1345

00:54:44,513 --> 00:54:46,763

But it seems like he's just bored of this.

: 1346

00:54:47,123 --> 00:54:49,823

Like drinking is not a novelty to him.

: 1347

00:54:50,123 --> 00:54:52,883

Having money in cars is

not a novelty to him.

: 1348

00:54:52,913 --> 00:54:57,953

Like he seems like he's an alcoholic

at, at 17 and it's like, mommy and

: 1349

00:54:57,953 --> 00:55:00,563

daddy don't pay attention to you.

: 1350

00:55:00,563 --> 00:55:02,003

And it, it shows right.

: 1351

00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:06,263

He seems like he's a burnout

adult before his time.

: 1352

00:55:06,353 --> 00:55:09,983

Like it's really odd and I'd like

to, I'd like to know more about

: 1353

00:55:09,983 --> 00:55:11,093

him, I wanna know more about him.

: 1354

00:55:11,093 --> 00:55:12,203

I wanna know more about Ducky.

: 1355

00:55:12,203 --> 00:55:15,893

And I realize you can't do that

necessarily in these films because,

: 1356

00:55:16,058 --> 00:55:17,258

Katie (2): It needs to be a series to,

: 1357

00:55:17,258 --> 00:55:17,948

to learn those

: 1358

00:55:17,963 --> 00:55:21,143

kyle (2): would be like a coherent

film, but it's still it is interesting

: 1359

00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:25,213

and that I feel like I, I could maybe

be more interested in that character

: 1360

00:55:25,213 --> 00:55:30,313

if I knew more about him, but he was

just like, yeah, he, he just seemed

: 1361

00:55:30,313 --> 00:55:33,403

like over the top antagonistic.

: 1362

00:55:34,348 --> 00:55:35,338

Katie (2): Good point.

: 1363

00:55:35,428 --> 00:55:38,628

I mean, and that sort of was the

case in the eighties, but this

: 1364

00:55:38,628 --> 00:55:40,428

type of character we see a lot too.

: 1365

00:55:40,428 --> 00:55:44,778

Like he, everybody envys this

person because they have it all, but

: 1366

00:55:44,778 --> 00:55:49,098

deep down they are deeply unhappy

because they've just been fed money.

: 1367

00:55:49,638 --> 00:55:52,848

But, he's deeply lacking

attention and love.

: 1368

00:55:53,513 --> 00:55:55,728

kyle (2): You got everything money

could buy except what it can.

: 1369

00:55:56,508 --> 00:55:56,868

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1370

00:55:57,048 --> 00:55:57,258

Yeah.

: 1371

00:55:57,258 --> 00:56:00,168

What is, yeah, he's Blaine says

that to her, you can buy everything,

: 1372

00:56:00,168 --> 00:56:01,518

but you couldn't buy her.

: 1373

00:56:01,548 --> 00:56:01,908

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1374

00:56:01,968 --> 00:56:02,148

Yeah.

: 1375

00:56:02,148 --> 00:56:05,418

Like the, what he, he gets

rejected by this person who's

: 1376

00:56:05,418 --> 00:56:07,038

kind of a nobody in the school.

: 1377

00:56:07,038 --> 00:56:07,338

Right.

: 1378

00:56:08,058 --> 00:56:09,618

And he's bitter about that.

: 1379

00:56:09,618 --> 00:56:13,368

And he is like, he's trying to sabotage

this, his friend's relationship with

: 1380

00:56:13,368 --> 00:56:17,793

her not, and he couches it as oh,

you know, you can't it's bad for you

: 1381

00:56:17,793 --> 00:56:22,503

socially if you're with this person or

just just fuck her and get it over with.

: 1382

00:56:23,043 --> 00:56:26,073

But in actuality, you wanna be with

her, you're not gonna be with her.

: 1383

00:56:26,073 --> 00:56:27,843

So if I can't have her,

no one can have her.

: 1384

00:56:28,353 --> 00:56:28,743

Right.

: 1385

00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:33,073

And it's it's, it's weird that I

would've liked to see maybe him make

: 1386

00:56:33,073 --> 00:56:35,473

further attempts to try and get Andy.

: 1387

00:56:36,033 --> 00:56:38,163

Katie (2): We just, see

the beginning, the part,

: 1388

00:56:38,373 --> 00:56:39,363

kyle (2): a fucking bitch.

: 1389

00:56:39,363 --> 00:56:40,113

You're whatever.

: 1390

00:56:40,113 --> 00:56:40,953

And that's, that's it.

: 1391

00:56:41,373 --> 00:56:43,353

Like he just, he gives up.

: 1392

00:56:43,353 --> 00:56:47,023

But it it would've been interesting

if he was trying to like scheme around

: 1393

00:56:47,023 --> 00:56:49,903

and get her a little bit, but that also

might've been weird in the sense that

: 1394

00:56:50,473 --> 00:56:54,883

she was an unpopular girl, but she, she

gets male attention the entire film.

: 1395

00:56:55,498 --> 00:56:58,698

Katie (2): Well, that is really, I

wanted to get your thoughts on this

: 1396

00:56:58,698 --> 00:57:05,088

because I felt like the true high school

experience wouldn't allow for the dynamic

: 1397

00:57:05,118 --> 00:57:11,173

that is at play here, where both of

the rich guys Blaine, who is Andrew

: 1398

00:57:11,173 --> 00:57:14,788

McCarthy Saint Almost Fire Weekend

at Bernie's, joy Luck Club mannequin.

: 1399

00:57:14,998 --> 00:57:18,438

He, he was kind of a thing and he was

like a brat packer for a while, which I

: 1400

00:57:18,438 --> 00:57:24,248

don't get I don't think he's attractive

at all, but Blaine James Spader as Steph

: 1401

00:57:24,548 --> 00:57:26,858

and the best friend, all three main

: 1402

00:57:26,858 --> 00:57:33,878

characters men are after Andy Molly

Ringwald, who is not a popular girl

: 1403

00:57:33,878 --> 00:57:36,733

and she's not conventionally beautiful.

: 1404

00:57:37,883 --> 00:57:38,963

kyle (2): Oh, I don't know about that.

: 1405

00:57:39,113 --> 00:57:39,353

Okay.

: 1406

00:57:39,353 --> 00:57:39,863

Sorry.

: 1407

00:57:40,283 --> 00:57:41,303

Katie (2): she's not conventional.

: 1408

00:57:41,303 --> 00:57:44,273

Like she's usually the like,

really, you know, it's usually some

: 1409

00:57:44,273 --> 00:57:47,363

like really beautiful long hair,

: 1410

00:57:47,483 --> 00:57:47,813

kyle (2): She,

: 1411

00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:48,923

Katie (2): Perfect body.

: 1412

00:57:48,983 --> 00:57:53,343

kyle (2): She doesn't fit in in terms

of, yeah, her look like she does

: 1413

00:57:53,343 --> 00:57:55,113

not look that eighties actually.

: 1414

00:57:55,353 --> 00:57:58,443

Like she does, she's not keeping

up with the fats in the eighties

: 1415

00:57:58,683 --> 00:58:00,533

and she has these big glasses.

: 1416

00:58:01,263 --> 00:58:04,443

She's the popular girl in the breakfast

club, but she doesn't look that different

: 1417

00:58:04,443 --> 00:58:05,943

in the breakfast club than she does here.

: 1418

00:58:06,723 --> 00:58:08,283

Katie (2): I even brought

it up in the breakfast club.

: 1419

00:58:08,283 --> 00:58:13,203

I, I don't think she looks like

the prototype of the high school.

: 1420

00:58:13,203 --> 00:58:14,433

Pretty popular girl.

: 1421

00:58:14,448 --> 00:58:16,608

kyle (2): Yeah, I think

she's not bad looking though.

: 1422

00:58:16,923 --> 00:58:17,493

Katie (2): No, no.

: 1423

00:58:17,493 --> 00:58:18,183

I, I agree.

: 1424

00:58:18,183 --> 00:58:19,533

I think she's very pretty.

: 1425

00:58:19,803 --> 00:58:22,473

It's just she's not like, you

know, and that's maybe more

: 1426

00:58:22,473 --> 00:58:24,723

interesting, but I just thought in

high school that wouldn't happen.

: 1427

00:58:24,723 --> 00:58:28,623

The, the two popular guys are not

gonna both be after like, some

: 1428

00:58:29,253 --> 00:58:33,018

not popular girl when they have

the other pretty popular girls.

: 1429

00:58:33,438 --> 00:58:34,128

kyle (2): I will say this.

: 1430

00:58:34,128 --> 00:58:38,028

So guys, though, the status, the

social status of your partner is

: 1431

00:58:38,028 --> 00:58:39,738

not as important as it is to women.

: 1432

00:58:41,278 --> 00:58:41,878

Katie (2): High school.

: 1433

00:58:41,878 --> 00:58:44,038

I feel like at least in

this, that we were shown

: 1434

00:58:44,038 --> 00:58:44,278

that it

: 1435

00:58:44,413 --> 00:58:45,643

kyle (2): say, not as important.

: 1436

00:58:45,883 --> 00:58:50,893

I'm not saying it's not important,

but I feel like women value

: 1437

00:58:50,893 --> 00:58:54,193

social status and prestige in

their partner more than men do.

: 1438

00:58:54,793 --> 00:58:57,973

And I think women, they wanna

punch up, they want to be with

: 1439

00:58:57,973 --> 00:59:00,313

someone who has more than them.

: 1440

00:59:00,693 --> 00:59:01,113

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1441

00:59:01,183 --> 00:59:02,893

kyle (2): guys typically is the opposite.

: 1442

00:59:02,923 --> 00:59:05,533

Like they don't maybe it's

intimidating or whatever.

: 1443

00:59:05,593 --> 00:59:07,273

They want someone to be a little less.

: 1444

00:59:08,023 --> 00:59:15,283

And now I do think it's a stretch that

maybe they, they all like Andy so much,

: 1445

00:59:15,563 --> 00:59:15,983

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1446

00:59:16,513 --> 00:59:20,843

kyle (2): but I feel like also you kind

of want what you, you can't have at the

: 1447

00:59:21,068 --> 00:59:21,878

Katie (2): Yeah, for sure.

: 1448

00:59:21,938 --> 00:59:22,358

Yeah.

: 1449

00:59:23,018 --> 00:59:23,378

Yeah.

: 1450

00:59:23,438 --> 00:59:25,028

No, you bring up a a good point.

: 1451

00:59:25,028 --> 00:59:26,648

I think the men like that though.

: 1452

00:59:26,648 --> 00:59:30,878

These, these men that already have

status want like a trophy on their arm.

: 1453

00:59:31,913 --> 00:59:33,533

I don't think she's like a trophy.

: 1454

00:59:33,563 --> 00:59:37,883

kyle (2): I don't think that Steph

would've wanted to be in a relationship,

: 1455

00:59:37,913 --> 00:59:42,233

like what I'll call an open, re

open, not being like polyamorous, but

: 1456

00:59:42,233 --> 00:59:44,573

like open being like socially known.

: 1457

00:59:45,323 --> 00:59:47,183

I think he wanted to sleep with Andy.

: 1458

00:59:47,573 --> 00:59:47,963

Katie (2): yeah.

: 1459

00:59:47,993 --> 00:59:48,353

That's a good

: 1460

00:59:48,683 --> 00:59:51,353

kyle (2): I, I don't think he

wanted Andy to be his girlfriend.

: 1461

00:59:51,953 --> 00:59:54,053

And I think that's another

difference too, right?

: 1462

00:59:54,053 --> 00:59:57,973

Like where it's you know, guys

like that, they're fine to hit it

: 1463

00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:00,343

and quit it and move on, right?

: 1464

01:00:00,343 --> 01:00:02,323

But they're a little more

stingy with commitment.

: 1465

01:00:02,818 --> 01:00:04,418

I think the status and prestige.

: 1466

01:00:04,598 --> 01:00:08,878

He wants people to know that he has

the hot girlfriend, so he'll want like

: 1467

01:00:08,878 --> 01:00:11,278

a shit, I, I forgot her name already.

: 1468

01:00:11,398 --> 01:00:12,598

I keep forgetting Benny.

: 1469

01:00:12,748 --> 01:00:14,338

He wants Benny for show.

: 1470

01:00:14,923 --> 01:00:15,463

Katie (2): Yes.

: 1471

01:00:15,628 --> 01:00:17,758

kyle (2): he actually likes

Benny as a person that much.

: 1472

01:00:17,923 --> 01:00:18,913

Katie (2): No, he doesn't care

: 1473

01:00:18,958 --> 01:00:24,658

kyle (2): irritates him, but she's hot

and she probably, okay, so my daughter

: 1474

01:00:24,658 --> 01:00:25,978

did something that really disturbed me.

: 1475

01:00:26,398 --> 01:00:27,148

She's getting older.

: 1476

01:00:27,148 --> 01:00:31,798

She's only 12, but like she's getting

at that age and she's like, dad, do you

: 1477

01:00:31,798 --> 01:00:33,418

know why those girls are so popular?

: 1478

01:00:34,438 --> 01:00:35,488

like, 'cause they're good looking.

: 1479

01:00:35,638 --> 01:00:36,358

She's like, no.

: 1480

01:00:36,508 --> 01:00:37,378

And then she was like this,

: 1481

01:00:39,328 --> 01:00:40,108

Katie (2): your daughter

: 1482

01:00:40,288 --> 01:00:41,788

kyle (2): I'm like, oh my God.

: 1483

01:00:41,833 --> 01:00:42,053

Katie (2): God,

: 1484

01:00:44,998 --> 01:00:47,128

kyle (2): But that's

probably some truth to that.

: 1485

01:00:47,128 --> 01:00:49,318

Those like Benny probably puts out Right.

: 1486

01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:50,103

Katie (2): yeah.

: 1487

01:00:50,103 --> 01:00:51,628

She certainly, she says this much.

: 1488

01:00:51,748 --> 01:00:54,868

kyle (2): yeah, she definitely,

she puts out, she's hot.

: 1489

01:00:55,078 --> 01:00:58,648

She's, you, you submit your status

by her being your girlfriend.

: 1490

01:00:59,683 --> 01:01:04,093

I presume when he was going after

Andy, Benny was still his girlfriend.

: 1491

01:01:04,903 --> 01:01:07,513

I don't think he was gonna break

up with Benny to be with Andy

: 1492

01:01:07,708 --> 01:01:08,098

Katie (2): yeah.

: 1493

01:01:08,098 --> 01:01:09,328

I think absolutely.

: 1494

01:01:09,388 --> 01:01:09,778

Yeah.

: 1495

01:01:09,838 --> 01:01:09,988

Good

: 1496

01:01:10,033 --> 01:01:12,433

kyle (2): But, you know, he, maybe

he wants to see if the carpet matches

: 1497

01:01:12,433 --> 01:01:14,113

the drapes or something like that.

: 1498

01:01:14,788 --> 01:01:15,928

Katie (2): And in the eighties,

: 1499

01:01:15,928 --> 01:01:18,298

you know, there was,

there was more to see,

: 1500

01:01:19,093 --> 01:01:19,543

kyle (2): Yes.

: 1501

01:01:19,543 --> 01:01:19,813

Yeah.

: 1502

01:01:19,903 --> 01:01:21,703

No, you would've, you

would've known back in the

: 1503

01:01:21,778 --> 01:01:22,558

Katie (2): more carpet.

: 1504

01:01:22,843 --> 01:01:23,353

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1505

01:01:24,178 --> 01:01:26,928

Katie (2): Now I did find really

interesting though about people who

: 1506

01:01:26,928 --> 01:01:28,608

were potentially gonna play Blaine.

: 1507

01:01:28,638 --> 01:01:30,378

Do you know who Jerry Levine is?

: 1508

01:01:30,993 --> 01:01:31,233

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1509

01:01:31,233 --> 01:01:32,283

I'm bad with names.

: 1510

01:01:32,568 --> 01:01:32,778

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1511

01:01:32,778 --> 01:01:34,728

No, he, he's, it's a little obscure.

: 1512

01:01:34,788 --> 01:01:37,338

He played styles in Teen Wolf,

: 1513

01:01:38,508 --> 01:01:38,823

kyle (2): Oh, I

: 1514

01:01:38,838 --> 01:01:39,708

Katie (2): the yeah.

: 1515

01:01:39,708 --> 01:01:40,608

You haven't seen that?

: 1516

01:01:41,133 --> 01:01:41,673

kyle (2): No.

: 1517

01:01:42,078 --> 01:01:42,258

Katie (2): Oh,

: 1518

01:01:42,258 --> 01:01:42,948

it's so good.

: 1519

01:01:42,978 --> 01:01:45,048

I mean, it's, it's, it's fun.

: 1520

01:01:45,078 --> 01:01:45,738

It's a fun movie.

: 1521

01:01:45,738 --> 01:01:48,848

Well, at any rate, he was

considered to play Blaine,

: 1522

01:01:49,358 --> 01:01:55,178

which would've been a very different,

he's really loud and confident in

: 1523

01:01:55,178 --> 01:01:59,918

Teen Wolf and Blaine with Andrew

McCarthy is very understated and quiet.

: 1524

01:02:00,353 --> 01:02:03,053

kyle (2): I found Blaine to be

very unsatisfying character.

: 1525

01:02:03,398 --> 01:02:03,878

Katie (2): Same.

: 1526

01:02:03,938 --> 01:02:05,528

I I didn't give a shit about Blaine.

: 1527

01:02:05,723 --> 01:02:08,363

kyle (2): I don't mind him being

the quiet one, because that kind

: 1528

01:02:08,363 --> 01:02:12,833

of does make him like, he's like

the, he's in the popular rich kid

: 1529

01:02:12,833 --> 01:02:16,433

crowd, but he's lower tier, right?

: 1530

01:02:16,508 --> 01:02:19,308

Katie (2): she says he's

not like all of them yeah.

: 1531

01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:19,653

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1532

01:02:19,653 --> 01:02:23,523

He's supposed to be like more down to

earth or whatever, but I think he's really

: 1533

01:02:23,523 --> 01:02:25,683

lower tier because he's not as confident.

: 1534

01:02:26,253 --> 01:02:26,673

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1535

01:02:27,303 --> 01:02:29,103

kyle (2): Like he's, he's soft spoken.

: 1536

01:02:29,103 --> 01:02:32,073

He's, he's kind of more of

a pussy or whatever, right?

: 1537

01:02:32,598 --> 01:02:32,808

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1538

01:02:33,603 --> 01:02:36,963

kyle (2): but he does have this quiet

confidence, like he pursues Andy quite

: 1539

01:02:36,963 --> 01:02:41,183

confidently, like was this weird computer

thing, which I thought was odd, but I'm

: 1540

01:02:41,183 --> 01:02:42,713

like, by the way, you're not doing that.

: 1541

01:02:42,713 --> 01:02:45,533

You're not chatting with each other

on those and sending images on

: 1542

01:02:45,533 --> 01:02:46,823

those computers from the eighties.

: 1543

01:02:47,558 --> 01:02:49,538

Katie (2): What kind of chat?

: 1544

01:02:49,538 --> 01:02:52,958

Primitive system, but also

super high tech for the time.

: 1545

01:02:53,018 --> 01:02:53,978

Was that

: 1546

01:02:54,338 --> 01:02:54,673

in the library?

: 1547

01:02:54,983 --> 01:02:56,633

kyle (2): Yeah, it was non-existent.

: 1548

01:02:56,843 --> 01:03:02,483

Like even my, the nineties computers I

was on in school couldn't do that shit.

: 1549

01:03:02,918 --> 01:03:04,898

Katie (2): No, we were playing

Oregon Trail with a disc.

: 1550

01:03:05,048 --> 01:03:05,378

floppy

: 1551

01:03:05,753 --> 01:03:06,353

kyle (2): Exactly.

: 1552

01:03:06,353 --> 01:03:08,243

Your: 1986

: 1553

01:03:08,573 --> 01:03:11,423

Like maybe you could send some text

through the network maybe, but you're

: 1554

01:03:11,423 --> 01:03:15,653

not like showing someone their picture

and then your picture and then doing

: 1555

01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:17,273

some visual effect with the picture.

: 1556

01:03:17,273 --> 01:03:17,933

I'm like, mm-hmm.

: 1557

01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:20,108

Katie (2): It was as

though there was internet

: 1558

01:03:20,168 --> 01:03:21,248

and there was no internet.

: 1559

01:03:21,398 --> 01:03:21,998

What?

: 1560

01:03:22,193 --> 01:03:24,893

kyle (2): like the, the, you could

have had a local area network, but I

: 1561

01:03:24,893 --> 01:03:28,583

don't think that school would've, and

if you did, it'd be a real pain to send

: 1562

01:03:28,583 --> 01:03:31,853

a message to someone without there was

no interface, like it was just this

: 1563

01:03:31,853 --> 01:03:33,883

blank screen with yeah, that was odd.

: 1564

01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:37,123

But yeah, he has this weird,

quiet confidence and then like

: 1565

01:03:37,903 --> 01:03:39,463

he takes her to this party.

: 1566

01:03:40,273 --> 01:03:42,373

Of course it's the house

that she was sitting

: 1567

01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:43,153

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1568

01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:43,673

Mm-hmm.

: 1569

01:03:43,813 --> 01:03:45,013

kyle (2): douche bag's house.

: 1570

01:03:45,793 --> 01:03:50,563

And these rich kids are all like

degenerates doing weird stuff.

: 1571

01:03:51,523 --> 01:03:52,063

And

: 1572

01:03:52,318 --> 01:03:53,068

Katie (2): party stuff

: 1573

01:03:53,068 --> 01:03:54,328

though, I gotta say that.

: 1574

01:03:54,358 --> 01:03:56,068

That seemed pretty relatable.

: 1575

01:03:56,068 --> 01:03:59,248

I mean, IWI, that was a very eighties

version of it, but that didn't

: 1576

01:03:59,248 --> 01:04:02,488

seem atypical of like late nineties

: 1577

01:04:02,953 --> 01:04:05,593

kyle (2): I think Benny or whatever,

dancing around in her underwear

: 1578

01:04:05,593 --> 01:04:06,883

in front of people and stuff.

: 1579

01:04:06,883 --> 01:04:08,653

I don't think that would be that.

: 1580

01:04:09,373 --> 01:04:09,553

Yeah.

: 1581

01:04:09,553 --> 01:04:11,623

People making out, I remember

making out in front of my

: 1582

01:04:11,623 --> 01:04:13,273

friends and I cringe at that now.

: 1583

01:04:13,833 --> 01:04:14,193

Katie (2): mean, kids,

: 1584

01:04:14,273 --> 01:04:15,353

kyle (2): teenage bullshit.

: 1585

01:04:15,353 --> 01:04:15,803

Yeah.

: 1586

01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:16,793

Yeah.

: 1587

01:04:16,873 --> 01:04:21,463

But then he is like, people just say

weird stuff to him and he just takes it.

: 1588

01:04:21,523 --> 01:04:26,383

Or he goes up to the bedroom and

Steph's in there just watching some

: 1589

01:04:26,383 --> 01:04:28,663

tunes, like cartoons I don't know.

: 1590

01:04:29,263 --> 01:04:33,643

Then he's in bed with Benny and

they, they decide to take a seat

: 1591

01:04:34,198 --> 01:04:35,458

Katie (2): They're just

sitting there watching

: 1592

01:04:35,533 --> 01:04:35,773

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1593

01:04:35,773 --> 01:04:36,853

He's like, no, come in.

: 1594

01:04:37,188 --> 01:04:39,723

And, and yeah, Blaine

isn't like, no, I'm good.

: 1595

01:04:39,813 --> 01:04:40,353

See ya.

: 1596

01:04:41,073 --> 01:04:42,393

He's like, okay, I'll come in.

: 1597

01:04:42,423 --> 01:04:45,963

Like, he, he kind of gave him an

order to do that and he had to comply.

: 1598

01:04:45,963 --> 01:04:48,693

And he's, he's like, put

in this awkward situation.

: 1599

01:04:49,443 --> 01:04:50,523

And you know what that reminds me of?

: 1600

01:04:50,623 --> 01:04:52,693

Former president, Lyndon Johnson.

: 1601

01:04:54,013 --> 01:04:54,403

used

: 1602

01:04:54,583 --> 01:04:55,393

Katie (2): I don't remember.

: 1603

01:04:55,393 --> 01:04:56,443

Former president Lyndon

: 1604

01:04:56,623 --> 01:05:00,013

kyle (2): he used to apparently

do stuff to like, make people

: 1605

01:05:00,013 --> 01:05:01,573

uncomfortable, to intimidate them.

: 1606

01:05:02,083 --> 01:05:02,773

Katie (2): Oh really?

: 1607

01:05:02,803 --> 01:05:04,453

kyle (2): he used to

show his dick to people.

: 1608

01:05:04,453 --> 01:05:05,863

Apparently he had a huge dick

: 1609

01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:07,333

Katie (2): Lyndon Johnson.

: 1610

01:05:07,398 --> 01:05:08,173

kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1611

01:05:08,203 --> 01:05:08,803

Look it up.

: 1612

01:05:09,073 --> 01:05:14,383

And he used to like his aides, he, he

would like make them, give him briefings

: 1613

01:05:14,383 --> 01:05:18,763

and stuff while he was taking his shit

like wi with the door open type of stuff.

: 1614

01:05:19,153 --> 01:05:22,023

Like he he just put people

in these like really awkward

: 1615

01:05:22,023 --> 01:05:23,353

positions just to fuck with them.

: 1616

01:05:24,543 --> 01:05:26,463

This is what that reminded me of.

: 1617

01:05:26,793 --> 01:05:28,023

He's like, oh, no, no, no.

: 1618

01:05:28,023 --> 01:05:28,803

Come in.

: 1619

01:05:28,803 --> 01:05:31,533

And then what's, her face comes out

and they're in bed and he's just

: 1620

01:05:31,533 --> 01:05:34,733

weird, but and he has this drink

that looks like three shots in his

: 1621

01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:37,463

glass, and I'm like, who drinks who?

: 1622

01:05:37,523 --> 01:05:40,223

What kind of 17-year-old

drinks, straight liquor.

: 1623

01:05:40,493 --> 01:05:41,813

Like not mixed with anything.

: 1624

01:05:42,248 --> 01:05:45,668

Katie (2): Well, these rich guys probably

are drinking fancy, like scotch and

: 1625

01:05:45,668 --> 01:05:46,418

stuff, you know what I

: 1626

01:05:46,793 --> 01:05:47,103

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1627

01:05:47,153 --> 01:05:47,813

That's another thing.

: 1628

01:05:47,813 --> 01:05:49,853

Like what, what 17-year-old drinks?

: 1629

01:05:50,153 --> 01:05:51,323

Neat scotch,

: 1630

01:05:52,073 --> 01:05:52,253

you know?

: 1631

01:05:53,078 --> 01:05:54,398

Katie (2): Rich guys in the eighties do.

: 1632

01:05:54,398 --> 01:05:55,808

It was in weird science too.

: 1633

01:05:56,258 --> 01:06:01,778

But speaking of like their date and

weird, awkward, I didn't buy it at all.

: 1634

01:06:01,778 --> 01:06:05,228

Like she, first of all, I don't

know why everybody's after her,

: 1635

01:06:05,348 --> 01:06:07,328

because she seems like a wet blanket.

: 1636

01:06:07,493 --> 01:06:08,603

kyle (2): Yes, she does.

: 1637

01:06:08,943 --> 01:06:10,083

She's studious.

: 1638

01:06:10,143 --> 01:06:12,303

She has her own weird style.

: 1639

01:06:13,233 --> 01:06:16,623

She was like, Hey, I, I'm not here

to get you off, which I respect that.

: 1640

01:06:16,938 --> 01:06:17,148

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1641

01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:21,123

kyle (2): and, but then it's like

when he takes her to these hay bales

: 1642

01:06:22,353 --> 01:06:25,653

which you may want to edit this out,

I was like, I swear to God, I saw like

: 1643

01:06:25,653 --> 01:06:28,053

a porn in the nineties on hay bale.

: 1644

01:06:28,053 --> 01:06:29,463

This is a very similar hay bale

: 1645

01:06:29,658 --> 01:06:31,008

Katie (2): You are like, I recognize this

: 1646

01:06:31,293 --> 01:06:32,613

kyle (2): I recognize these hay bales.

: 1647

01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:33,088

What the hell?

: 1648

01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:36,423

She's like starts making

out with them and shit.

: 1649

01:06:36,423 --> 01:06:39,903

Like I, I feel like they didn't have

that much of a, you never see them

: 1650

01:06:39,903 --> 01:06:41,523

have a spark or a real connection.

: 1651

01:06:42,498 --> 01:06:43,218

Katie (2): not at all.

: 1652

01:06:43,698 --> 01:06:47,678

I mean, like even at the party,

she's being super uptight.

: 1653

01:06:47,828 --> 01:06:50,348

She's not, if, if I'm being honest,

I wouldn't wanna hang out with her

: 1654

01:06:50,348 --> 01:06:51,938

like at the par like, lighten up.

: 1655

01:06:51,938 --> 01:06:53,828

You're, you are finally

on a date with this guy.

: 1656

01:06:53,828 --> 01:06:56,528

He's actually showing you

off to his friends and you're

: 1657

01:06:56,528 --> 01:06:57,668

being really, I don't know

: 1658

01:06:57,773 --> 01:06:59,253

kyle (2): These are all her

bullies are in that house.

: 1659

01:07:00,638 --> 01:07:01,178

Katie (2): I know,

: 1660

01:07:01,178 --> 01:07:01,358

but

: 1661

01:07:01,598 --> 01:07:02,498

kyle (2): that look down on her.

: 1662

01:07:02,498 --> 01:07:07,868

She also has a massive inferiority complex

because like she lives in a shitty house.

: 1663

01:07:08,048 --> 01:07:10,688

This is like this mansion

she's been fantasizing about.

: 1664

01:07:11,168 --> 01:07:14,978

Like she does not feel like she

doesn't feel safe there essentially.

: 1665

01:07:15,128 --> 01:07:15,368

Like

: 1666

01:07:15,953 --> 01:07:16,373

Katie (2): That's a good

: 1667

01:07:16,448 --> 01:07:20,048

kyle (2): on her, like she

feels like, oh, I'm white trash.

: 1668

01:07:20,118 --> 01:07:22,278

If I were her, I'd want to

get the hell out of there.

: 1669

01:07:22,563 --> 01:07:23,313

Katie (2): I would too.

: 1670

01:07:23,313 --> 01:07:25,953

I guess where I was going with

this is like we aren't shown

: 1671

01:07:25,953 --> 01:07:30,183

really any indication as to why

anyone likes her, aside from Ducky.

: 1672

01:07:30,333 --> 01:07:31,653

'cause he grew up with, you know,

: 1673

01:07:31,833 --> 01:07:33,153

like she's not fun.

: 1674

01:07:33,528 --> 01:07:34,458

kyle (2): She's not fun.

: 1675

01:07:34,728 --> 01:07:38,418

She's like attractive ish, but

not like incredibly attractive.

: 1676

01:07:39,168 --> 01:07:42,158

And yeah, she doesn't have a good,

she doesn't really have a sense of

: 1677

01:07:42,158 --> 01:07:44,768

humor or like to go and do fun stuff.

: 1678

01:07:44,888 --> 01:07:48,428

Oh, I found, one thing I found weird is

they seem to go to a bar all the time,

: 1679

01:07:49,258 --> 01:07:49,478

Katie (2): Yes.

: 1680

01:07:49,688 --> 01:07:51,938

kyle (2): 17 year olds and like

they don't card there I guess

: 1681

01:07:51,938 --> 01:07:53,078

'cause they're getting drinks

: 1682

01:07:53,708 --> 01:07:55,508

Katie (2): I know I, what is happening?

: 1683

01:07:55,808 --> 01:07:57,938

Ducky doesn't get in because, I dunno.

: 1684

01:07:57,968 --> 01:08:01,688

'cause he is ducky, but these

teenagers are going to a punk rock

: 1685

01:08:01,868 --> 01:08:05,198

like club where there are also adults.

: 1686

01:08:05,258 --> 01:08:09,098

And I mean, did you recognize

the bouncer though, at the club?

: 1687

01:08:10,193 --> 01:08:10,763

kyle (2): No.

: 1688

01:08:10,768 --> 01:08:11,723

Who, who is he?

: 1689

01:08:12,068 --> 01:08:13,508

Katie (2): It was Andrew Dice Clay.

: 1690

01:08:14,168 --> 01:08:14,648

Are you fam, are

: 1691

01:08:14,918 --> 01:08:15,098

you

: 1692

01:08:15,173 --> 01:08:16,473

kyle (2): yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1693

01:08:17,383 --> 01:08:21,733

Katie (2): And Dweezil Zappa was

one of the kids they show like

: 1694

01:08:21,733 --> 01:08:26,343

hanging out with with Molly and Iona

with the spiky Harris named Simon.

: 1695

01:08:26,582 --> 01:08:29,823

He, I guess was Molly Ringwald

boyfriend at the time.

: 1696

01:08:30,303 --> 01:08:31,683

And he's Frank Zappa's son.

: 1697

01:08:31,933 --> 01:08:34,542

kyle (2): it is odd because I,

I found it kind of cool that at

: 1698

01:08:34,542 --> 01:08:37,813

least the main character was a

pretty much age appropriate, right.

: 1699

01:08:37,903 --> 01:08:40,608

Like she was around a senior high

school age at Mother Ringold.

: 1700

01:08:41,308 --> 01:08:41,758

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1701

01:08:41,968 --> 01:08:46,827

kyle (2): And often you see like high

schoolers in movies or like 26 year olds.

: 1702

01:08:47,091 --> 01:08:50,001

So it's like, in that sense,

I found people like I found

: 1703

01:08:50,001 --> 01:08:51,531

Spader looked outta place.

: 1704

01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:54,051

'cause of course he wears suits to school.

: 1705

01:08:55,056 --> 01:08:57,756

Katie (2): Well, all the rich guys

are wearing like, straight up like

: 1706

01:08:57,786 --> 01:08:59,166

blazers and stuff.

: 1707

01:08:59,166 --> 01:08:59,676

yeah,

: 1708

01:08:59,871 --> 01:09:00,831

kyle (2): stop talking about that.

: 1709

01:09:00,831 --> 01:09:01,401

The whole movie.

: 1710

01:09:02,301 --> 01:09:03,261

I'm like, oh, another blazer.

: 1711

01:09:03,261 --> 01:09:04,911

This is like the rich person uniform.

: 1712

01:09:05,435 --> 01:09:05,831

Katie (2): It is

: 1713

01:09:07,191 --> 01:09:09,621

kyle (2): This morning I Googled, I'm

like, was that a thing in the eighties?

: 1714

01:09:09,621 --> 01:09:10,970

Did people wear blazers?

: 1715

01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:11,241

And

: 1716

01:09:11,946 --> 01:09:12,770

Katie (2): like Miami Vice,

: 1717

01:09:13,551 --> 01:09:14,871

kyle (2): I got mixed results.

: 1718

01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:18,651

But I think normal high

schoolers did not wear

: 1719

01:09:18,756 --> 01:09:20,975

Katie (2): I know it's hard

for me to tell in the eighties

: 1720

01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:22,816

because the term yuppie, like they

: 1721

01:09:22,816 --> 01:09:26,326

were quote unquote yuppies, but

they were teenagers, so were rich.

: 1722

01:09:26,566 --> 01:09:29,265

Was that actually a thing

for teenagers to wear?

: 1723

01:09:29,416 --> 01:09:32,446

And then it was cool with like

Don Johnson and like in the late

: 1724

01:09:32,446 --> 01:09:33,886

eighties with the Miami Vice, like

: 1725

01:09:34,515 --> 01:09:35,176

sleeves rolled

: 1726

01:09:35,386 --> 01:09:39,076

kyle (2): Yes, my Brittany was talking

about that, the sleeves rolled up thing,

: 1727

01:09:39,376 --> 01:09:42,496

but it, it seems like in this film,

they're like, let's give the rich people

: 1728

01:09:42,496 --> 01:09:44,326

a uniform so they could be identified

: 1729

01:09:44,776 --> 01:09:45,046

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1730

01:09:45,046 --> 01:09:47,206

kyle (2): like, oh, you have

a blazer, you're a rich kid.

: 1731

01:09:47,446 --> 01:09:52,776

Which in, in actuality though,

like Spader or Steph in the movie

: 1732

01:09:53,435 --> 01:09:54,786

would not be going to that school.

: 1733

01:09:55,326 --> 01:09:56,556

He would be in private school.

: 1734

01:09:57,361 --> 01:09:58,381

Katie (2): You absolutely.

: 1735

01:09:58,841 --> 01:09:59,261

Mm-hmm.

: 1736

01:09:59,466 --> 01:10:01,596

kyle (2): would not be going to this

bullshit public school, although I'm

: 1737

01:10:01,596 --> 01:10:05,556

gonna say Molly Ringwald or Andy, she's

in the office with, I don't know if that's

: 1738

01:10:05,556 --> 01:10:07,326

a guidance counselor or a principal.

: 1739

01:10:07,326 --> 01:10:08,676

I think it's more of a counselor.

: 1740

01:10:09,786 --> 01:10:13,236

He seemed to make it like she's

being sent to this school,

: 1741

01:10:13,236 --> 01:10:14,286

like she doesn't belong to the

: 1742

01:10:14,651 --> 01:10:14,916

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1743

01:10:14,966 --> 01:10:17,126

kyle (2): And I know there was

programs like that in the US

: 1744

01:10:17,126 --> 01:10:19,076

often with African American kids.

: 1745

01:10:19,076 --> 01:10:21,806

They would be bused to

like better schools.

: 1746

01:10:21,806 --> 01:10:25,376

Like I know that at the beginning of the

movie, the Departed, they showed that.

: 1747

01:10:26,021 --> 01:10:29,351

Where it's like they show these kids

go being busted these nice schools

: 1748

01:10:29,351 --> 01:10:32,951

in Boston, and then the locals

are like, protesting it, right?

: 1749

01:10:32,951 --> 01:10:34,841

Like, we don't want that

in our neighborhood.

: 1750

01:10:34,841 --> 01:10:39,281

And I think, like, I'm like, did Mo,

did Andy get sent to the school because

: 1751

01:10:39,281 --> 01:10:42,431

she's good at school and like, you know,

like, let's take a kid from like the

: 1752

01:10:42,431 --> 01:10:49,441

ghetto and then let's give her a chance

by having her in this nicer school.

: 1753

01:10:49,936 --> 01:10:53,236

Katie (2): It sort of did seem

like we got clues of that.

: 1754

01:10:53,236 --> 01:10:57,916

And again, I think we, a lot of that,

I, I feel like I see that a lot in

: 1755

01:10:57,916 --> 01:11:03,746

like eighties and nineties where

a smart but poorer kid would fake

: 1756

01:11:03,746 --> 01:11:06,086

where they live to get like their zip

: 1757

01:11:06,086 --> 01:11:09,506

code to get into a nicer

school district or something.

: 1758

01:11:09,911 --> 01:11:10,481

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1759

01:11:10,541 --> 01:11:13,046

And the, the only thing is it

doesn't make sense 'cause Ducky

: 1760

01:11:13,046 --> 01:11:16,226

doesn't appear to be, there's no

evidence that he's a good student.

: 1761

01:11:16,526 --> 01:11:18,291

The, there's no evidence

he's a bad student either.

: 1762

01:11:19,151 --> 01:11:21,101

So I guess you could assume he's

a good student, but he lives

: 1763

01:11:21,101 --> 01:11:22,631

obviously in a bad area and he's at

: 1764

01:11:22,646 --> 01:11:24,866

Katie (2): Actually there is

evidence that he's a bad student

: 1765

01:11:25,196 --> 01:11:26,786

because she's like trying to help him with

: 1766

01:11:26,786 --> 01:11:28,466

his paper and she's like,

take this seriously.

: 1767

01:11:28,466 --> 01:11:30,506

Do you, are you purposely trying to fail

: 1768

01:11:30,986 --> 01:11:32,006

to stay in high school?

: 1769

01:11:32,036 --> 01:11:33,206

'cause you don't know

what to, what you're gonna

: 1770

01:11:33,431 --> 01:11:33,941

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1771

01:11:33,941 --> 01:11:39,281

So it's like he, it, it is interesting

like when she didn't want Blaine

: 1772

01:11:39,281 --> 01:11:43,841

to take her home and she's like,

I, I related to that a bit 'cause

: 1773

01:11:43,841 --> 01:11:46,811

I was kind of embarrassed to bring

friends to my house growing up.

: 1774

01:11:47,246 --> 01:11:47,876

Katie (2): mm,

: 1775

01:11:47,921 --> 01:11:50,561

kyle (2): 'cause it's not like I lived

in a super bad house, but it was not

: 1776

01:11:50,561 --> 01:11:52,721

nearly as nice as any of my friends'

: 1777

01:11:52,861 --> 01:11:53,281

Katie (2): mm-hmm.

: 1778

01:11:54,071 --> 01:11:57,006

kyle (2): And so it's ah,

that's a thing like that

: 1779

01:11:57,766 --> 01:12:03,246

that I, I related that one, that one hurt

a little bit to watch, but I did find like

: 1780

01:12:03,246 --> 01:12:06,906

that odd confrontation where he was like,

why wouldn't you let me take you home?

: 1781

01:12:08,361 --> 01:12:09,921

Katie (2): It wa yeah, I could buy it.

: 1782

01:12:09,921 --> 01:12:13,371

At first I thought they went a little

too too hard on it 'cause she, he

: 1783

01:12:13,371 --> 01:12:14,781

wasn't gonna come into the house.

: 1784

01:12:14,901 --> 01:12:15,441

She's just gonna

: 1785

01:12:15,501 --> 01:12:17,481

kyle (2): But it's like he knows

it's a shit neighborhood though,

: 1786

01:12:17,601 --> 01:12:18,801

Katie (2): yeah, yeah, for sure.

: 1787

01:12:18,801 --> 01:12:18,861

I.

: 1788

01:12:18,891 --> 01:12:21,471

kyle (2): because, and that, and that kind

of goes along with the idea that she's

: 1789

01:12:21,471 --> 01:12:23,331

not in that school district or whatever.

: 1790

01:12:23,371 --> 01:12:23,791

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1791

01:12:23,916 --> 01:12:24,666

Mm-hmm.

: 1792

01:12:25,281 --> 01:12:28,221

kyle (2): I think that's one difference

in the United States, like to, to a

: 1793

01:12:28,221 --> 01:12:32,211

lot of places is like, schools seem

to be funded more in the local level.

: 1794

01:12:32,331 --> 01:12:35,811

Like if, if your neighborhood's

poor, your school's poor.

: 1795

01:12:36,606 --> 01:12:38,616

Katie (2): It goes according

to your property taxes.

: 1796

01:12:39,366 --> 01:12:42,036

So that's kind of what

funds public schools here.

: 1797

01:12:42,036 --> 01:12:47,646

I mean, that's a part of what funds it, so

a neighborhood that the houses cost a lot.

: 1798

01:12:47,646 --> 01:12:48,576

The taxes are higher,

: 1799

01:12:48,576 --> 01:12:49,656

so the school gets more.

: 1800

01:12:49,656 --> 01:12:49,956

yeah,

: 1801

01:12:50,151 --> 01:12:50,391

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1802

01:12:50,451 --> 01:12:54,771

Like where I'm at, it's on the provincial

or like what you would be the state level,

: 1803

01:12:54,831 --> 01:12:57,531

like education's funded on a

little bit of a higher level.

: 1804

01:12:57,531 --> 01:13:01,431

So it's like IWII, it, it does.

: 1805

01:13:01,431 --> 01:13:05,151

And now granted, I think some school

districts are better off than others

: 1806

01:13:05,151 --> 01:13:06,721

because, you know, like you can.

: 1807

01:13:08,331 --> 01:13:14,271

can fund stuff or whatever, but it

is a little bit more like, you know?

: 1808

01:13:14,331 --> 01:13:14,601

Yeah.

: 1809

01:13:14,601 --> 01:13:17,031

Like you wouldn't go to a school

where there's no textbooks

: 1810

01:13:17,181 --> 01:13:18,561

or, you know what I mean?

: 1811

01:13:18,561 --> 01:13:20,691

Where it seems like that if

you're on like the south side of

: 1812

01:13:20,691 --> 01:13:22,161

Chicago, you're kind of fucked.

: 1813

01:13:22,161 --> 01:13:22,461

Right?

: 1814

01:13:23,586 --> 01:13:25,926

Katie (2): Yeah, like I've been

watching Abbott Elementary,

: 1815

01:13:26,016 --> 01:13:27,276

which is in Philadelphia

: 1816

01:13:27,326 --> 01:13:27,621

kyle (2): show.

: 1817

01:13:27,801 --> 01:13:28,011

Yeah,

: 1818

01:13:28,386 --> 01:13:32,806

Katie (2): So it's very much they're like,

can we get like a special desk for our

: 1819

01:13:32,896 --> 01:13:38,236

like wheelchair bound student and they

like can't get funding for shit like that.

: 1820

01:13:38,236 --> 01:13:38,746

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1821

01:13:38,786 --> 01:13:39,596

That is messed up.

: 1822

01:13:39,626 --> 01:13:42,586

'cause even if you think it's like, oh

no handouts to people, it's like, well,

: 1823

01:13:42,586 --> 01:13:46,846

kids aren't responsible for like their

financial situation 'cause they're kids.

: 1824

01:13:48,031 --> 01:13:48,421

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1825

01:13:48,421 --> 01:13:49,501

Like school, like a lunch.

: 1826

01:13:50,311 --> 01:13:51,961

It's kind of a big political thing here.

: 1827

01:13:52,011 --> 01:13:56,361

Maybe we should provide children with

breakfast and lunch, because then

: 1828

01:13:56,361 --> 01:13:57,591

that would make them better students.

: 1829

01:13:57,621 --> 01:13:58,941

If they're hungry, they can't think.

: 1830

01:13:58,941 --> 01:14:03,771

But, you know, of course that's

apparently like a aw woke ideology to give

: 1831

01:14:03,771 --> 01:14:04,521

people food.

: 1832

01:14:04,806 --> 01:14:05,106

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1833

01:14:05,106 --> 01:14:08,406

But there's always money for like

bailouts or guns or whatever.

: 1834

01:14:08,406 --> 01:14:08,466

Yeah,

: 1835

01:14:08,916 --> 01:14:09,636

Katie (2): Send war.

: 1836

01:14:09,636 --> 01:14:11,286

There's always money for other things.

: 1837

01:14:11,336 --> 01:14:11,936

For sure.

: 1838

01:14:11,966 --> 01:14:12,236

kyle (2): yeah.

: 1839

01:14:12,236 --> 01:14:16,226

You never, Brittany pointed out, you

never see Andy eat lunch at school.

: 1840

01:14:17,126 --> 01:14:17,666

Everyone else

: 1841

01:14:17,756 --> 01:14:19,196

Katie (2): do we see them eat lunch.

: 1842

01:14:19,196 --> 01:14:20,906

kyle (2): I guess there in, I thought so.

: 1843

01:14:20,936 --> 01:14:22,556

I thought there was

like a lunchroom scene.

: 1844

01:14:22,556 --> 01:14:23,126

Maybe not.

: 1845

01:14:23,576 --> 01:14:23,846

But

: 1846

01:14:23,996 --> 01:14:26,366

Katie (2): There's kind of like an

outdoor scene, but we, we allude to

: 1847

01:14:26,366 --> 01:14:30,176

it 'cause ducky kind of jokes like,

oh, I'll, I'll go make a reservation

: 1848

01:14:30,266 --> 01:14:31,916

by the window at the cafeteria.

: 1849

01:14:31,916 --> 01:14:32,426

kyle (2): yeah,

: 1850

01:14:33,896 --> 01:14:37,706

Katie (2): Now, was prom a big

deal for when you were going to

: 1851

01:14:37,916 --> 01:14:38,906

kyle (2): we don't have prom.

: 1852

01:14:39,146 --> 01:14:43,756

There's I feel like high school

in America is more showy.

: 1853

01:14:43,856 --> 01:14:47,096

There's more stuff like

that, like pep rallies and

: 1854

01:14:47,096 --> 01:14:49,496

prom and things like that.

: 1855

01:14:49,546 --> 01:14:51,796

I feel like we don't have as much

of that, which is kind of a shame.

: 1856

01:14:51,796 --> 01:14:53,476

It seems like funner for you guys.

: 1857

01:14:54,036 --> 01:14:58,086

Like you have like your big, we call it

grad, like your big dance at the end,

: 1858

01:14:58,086 --> 01:14:59,466

like when you graduate high school.

: 1859

01:15:00,021 --> 01:15:00,591

Katie (2): Okay.

: 1860

01:15:00,726 --> 01:15:02,016

kyle (2): the big, that's the big thing.

: 1861

01:15:02,391 --> 01:15:03,651

Katie (2): That's essentially prom,

: 1862

01:15:03,906 --> 01:15:04,386

kyle (2): Right?

: 1863

01:15:04,416 --> 01:15:04,896

Okay.

: 1864

01:15:04,926 --> 01:15:05,466

So,

: 1865

01:15:05,601 --> 01:15:06,591

Katie (2): like an equivalent

: 1866

01:15:06,831 --> 01:15:06,951

of

: 1867

01:15:07,236 --> 01:15:07,416

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1868

01:15:07,416 --> 01:15:09,896

I didn't really know what prom

was, but there's you guys have

: 1869

01:15:09,896 --> 01:15:11,306

a homecoming dance or something.

: 1870

01:15:11,306 --> 01:15:12,176

I don't know what that even

: 1871

01:15:12,491 --> 01:15:14,851

Katie (2): Yeah, we do have there's

usually homecoming is pretty

: 1872

01:15:14,851 --> 01:15:16,561

universal and that's in the fall.

: 1873

01:15:16,561 --> 01:15:18,901

And then usually there's

some sort of like winter

: 1874

01:15:19,396 --> 01:15:19,906

kyle (2): yeah,

: 1875

01:15:19,921 --> 01:15:21,961

Katie (2): snowball, some

sort of a wintery thing.

: 1876

01:15:21,961 --> 01:15:24,031

And then at the end of the year is prom

: 1877

01:15:24,376 --> 01:15:26,236

kyle (2): I wish we had

more of that, to be honest.

: 1878

01:15:26,516 --> 01:15:29,456

Katie (2): It showcases in these

movies especially in the eighties,

: 1879

01:15:29,456 --> 01:15:30,896

like prom was such a big deal.

: 1880

01:15:30,896 --> 01:15:34,126

And like we see her shopping

for a dress and it's $650,

: 1881

01:15:34,411 --> 01:15:34,861

kyle (2): Oh, okay.

: 1882

01:15:34,861 --> 01:15:35,881

We did look that up.

: 1883

01:15:35,881 --> 01:15:37,951

That's about: 2000

: 1884

01:15:38,476 --> 01:15:39,736

Katie (2): yeah, nobody's buying.

: 1885

01:15:39,766 --> 01:15:43,666

No regular person is spending

two grand on a prom dress

: 1886

01:15:43,756 --> 01:15:44,106

kyle (2): right?

: 1887

01:15:44,236 --> 01:15:44,506

Katie (2): like.

: 1888

01:15:45,236 --> 01:15:46,726

kyle (2): That's yeah, I remember that.

: 1889

01:15:46,846 --> 01:15:50,646

Like, I find like girls would, I don't

know how much grad dresses we call grad

: 1890

01:15:50,646 --> 01:15:52,626

dress, but like how much that would cost.

: 1891

01:15:52,626 --> 01:15:53,406

I have no idea.

: 1892

01:15:53,796 --> 01:15:56,856

But it is like, yeah, it's very

similar to prom, I think, where it's

: 1893

01:15:57,056 --> 01:15:57,756

Katie (2): It's significant.

: 1894

01:15:57,756 --> 01:15:57,936

It's

: 1895

01:15:57,936 --> 01:15:57,996

a

: 1896

01:15:58,146 --> 01:15:58,566

kyle (2): some money

: 1897

01:15:58,566 --> 01:15:58,806

out.

: 1898

01:15:59,136 --> 01:16:00,246

You do put some money out there.

: 1899

01:16:00,246 --> 01:16:02,416

I have no idea what it

is, but Yeah, I know.

: 1900

01:16:02,416 --> 01:16:03,766

I, I like guys.

: 1901

01:16:03,766 --> 01:16:04,816

We'd rent a tuxedo,

: 1902

01:16:05,416 --> 01:16:05,836

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1903

01:16:05,861 --> 01:16:06,211

Uhhuh.

: 1904

01:16:06,496 --> 01:16:08,506

kyle (2): which I think is like

a couple hundred bucks now.

: 1905

01:16:08,506 --> 01:16:08,836

It's

: 1906

01:16:08,956 --> 01:16:09,076

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 1907

01:16:09,076 --> 01:16:10,876

I have no idea how much a tuxedo

: 1908

01:16:10,906 --> 01:16:13,786

kyle (2): 'cause like by the gym

I go to, there's like a clothing

: 1909

01:16:13,786 --> 01:16:16,846

store that sell suits and stuff, but

they also do rentals for tuxedos.

: 1910

01:16:16,846 --> 01:16:19,786

And I think it was like 200, 200

and something Canadians, about

: 1911

01:16:19,786 --> 01:16:22,016

200 American or maybe a little not

: 1912

01:16:22,016 --> 01:16:22,556

cheap.

: 1913

01:16:22,946 --> 01:16:24,056

That's, but yeah.

: 1914

01:16:24,326 --> 01:16:25,376

For, for one day.

: 1915

01:16:25,436 --> 01:16:28,286

Like your, your prom dress,

you could get to keep it.

: 1916

01:16:28,406 --> 01:16:29,846

Now are you gonna wear it again?

: 1917

01:16:30,356 --> 01:16:31,166

Probably not,

: 1918

01:16:32,036 --> 01:16:32,666

Katie (2): No, but.

: 1919

01:16:33,086 --> 01:16:35,936

To your point about, we have a

lot of those, so essentially.

: 1920

01:16:36,911 --> 01:16:40,241

Maybe I got rid of them, but

most women probably have a closet

: 1921

01:16:40,241 --> 01:16:44,501

full of probably let's see, three

dances per year, like at least 12.

: 1922

01:16:44,951 --> 01:16:47,081

Like gown type, like dresses like

: 1923

01:16:47,321 --> 01:16:47,951

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1924

01:16:48,351 --> 01:16:51,501

You would think there'd be like

a big market for used ones that

: 1925

01:16:51,501 --> 01:16:54,471

you could buy, like you could buy

someone at prom dress from the year

: 1926

01:16:54,471 --> 01:16:55,821

earlier or something like that.

: 1927

01:16:56,061 --> 01:16:58,881

Although if I'm, I'm guessing if anyone

found out that you did that you'd be

: 1928

01:16:59,031 --> 01:17:00,711

Katie (2): No, it's, you gotta show up.

: 1929

01:17:00,761 --> 01:17:03,011

It's a place to be seen in the, you

: 1930

01:17:03,341 --> 01:17:03,671

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 1931

01:17:03,671 --> 01:17:07,271

But you, you would think though if you

bought a used one, it's basically new,

: 1932

01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:09,131

like someone's worn it maybe once.

: 1933

01:17:09,911 --> 01:17:11,231

Katie (2): But that's last year's fashion,

: 1934

01:17:11,531 --> 01:17:12,491

kyle (2): Yes, that's right.

: 1935

01:17:13,001 --> 01:17:14,261

Does it change that much though?

: 1936

01:17:14,261 --> 01:17:14,861

I don't know.

: 1937

01:17:15,876 --> 01:17:18,576

Katie (2): But again, you're trying

to fit in, so what you end up seeing

: 1938

01:17:18,576 --> 01:17:21,126

is all the girls have essentially

the same dress in a different color,

: 1939

01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:22,086

you know, or sort of

: 1940

01:17:22,536 --> 01:17:25,141

kyle (2): it's big business 'cause

like, our big thing here is West

: 1941

01:17:25,141 --> 01:17:28,621

Edmonton Mall, which used to be the

biggest mall in the world up until

: 1942

01:17:28,621 --> 01:17:30,691

like, uh, yeah, yeah.

: 1943

01:17:30,691 --> 01:17:33,781

It's like, it's built by the same,

like the people who built Mall of

: 1944

01:17:33,781 --> 01:17:35,401

America, built West Edmonton Mall.

: 1945

01:17:35,671 --> 01:17:38,341

Like, it's like these Iranian

guys that live here in Edmonton.

: 1946

01:17:39,101 --> 01:17:40,091

Katie (2): No idea.

: 1947

01:17:40,121 --> 01:17:43,861

kyle (2): yeah, it's like, and it's still

I think it's the biggest mall in North

: 1948

01:17:43,861 --> 01:17:50,541

America still, but anyway, it's, it has

600 stores and there's four, four of

: 1949

01:17:50,541 --> 01:17:52,821

these dress places, I swear like in a row.

: 1950

01:17:52,871 --> 01:17:56,561

There's like a big hallway in this

one part of the mall where they just

: 1951

01:17:56,561 --> 01:18:00,431

sell ceremonial dresses and these

businesses run like year round.

: 1952

01:18:00,726 --> 01:18:01,146

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1953

01:18:01,901 --> 01:18:04,541

kyle (2): And I think it's like they

have some of this like Indian stuff

: 1954

01:18:04,541 --> 01:18:07,486

too that style, but still like, it,

: 1955

01:18:07,666 --> 01:18:11,021

Katie (2): Or for quinceaneras like

those dresses are pretty fancy.

: 1956

01:18:11,351 --> 01:18:13,781

kyle (2): But yeah, there is like

a big, it is a big market, you

: 1957

01:18:13,781 --> 01:18:16,571

know, and you don't like, you don't

think about it until you have to.

: 1958

01:18:17,141 --> 01:18:18,101

Experience it.

: 1959

01:18:18,101 --> 01:18:23,101

But yeah, I I could see Andy like

her struggle when she goes there.

: 1960

01:18:23,101 --> 01:18:28,921

I think she said like early on she

got one of her outfits for $15 and

: 1961

01:18:28,921 --> 01:18:30,451

then she said they were like six 50.

: 1962

01:18:32,425 --> 01:18:35,316

Katie (2): She wore to your

point, she kind of created her own

: 1963

01:18:35,316 --> 01:18:36,906

dress out of a secondhand dress.

: 1964

01:18:37,326 --> 01:18:37,716

Um,

: 1965

01:18:38,001 --> 01:18:39,800

kyle (2): it her friend's

prom dress from the sixties?

: 1966

01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,431

Is it that one?

: 1967

01:18:40,431 --> 01:18:41,271

Like that pink one?

: 1968

01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:41,891

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 1969

01:18:42,096 --> 01:18:42,246

That

: 1970

01:18:42,246 --> 01:18:45,306

she, it was really hideous, but

we see her kind of make, you

: 1971

01:18:45,306 --> 01:18:46,175

know, 'cause that's her thing.

: 1972

01:18:46,175 --> 01:18:48,876

She, she sews and she

makes, makes it her own.

: 1973

01:18:49,026 --> 01:18:51,036

But that was the most hideous

dress I've ever seen in my

: 1974

01:18:51,141 --> 01:18:51,621

kyle (2): I agreed.

: 1975

01:18:51,921 --> 01:18:52,371

I agreed.

: 1976

01:18:52,371 --> 01:18:53,601

When I first saw that, I was just like,

: 1977

01:18:55,086 --> 01:18:56,346

Katie (2): I think Molly hated it too.

: 1978

01:18:56,406 --> 01:18:57,576

I feel like I read that

: 1979

01:18:57,681 --> 01:19:01,341

kyle (2): one thing Brittany said when

I was talking to her about this is she

: 1980

01:19:01,341 --> 01:19:05,311

liked that Andy never had to change.

: 1981

01:19:05,956 --> 01:19:10,156

You know, like it's not one of those

ones where it's like the ugly duckling

: 1982

01:19:10,156 --> 01:19:12,406

gets a makeover and is now the hot girl.

: 1983

01:19:12,766 --> 01:19:13,666

Katie (2): Yes.

: 1984

01:19:14,175 --> 01:19:16,816

kyle (2): stayed true to

herself the whole time.

: 1985

01:19:17,416 --> 01:19:20,925

And yes, that dress was ugly, but it's

like the important thing was like,

: 1986

01:19:20,925 --> 01:19:22,616

she liked it, she felt good at it.

: 1987

01:19:22,666 --> 01:19:25,756

It was her style, and she was

confident to go there in that.

: 1988

01:19:26,476 --> 01:19:30,006

And I think it would've been disappointing

to a degree if she somehow worked this

: 1989

01:19:30,006 --> 01:19:33,156

miracle with that dress and it looked

like all the other girls' dresses.

: 1990

01:19:33,921 --> 01:19:34,701

Katie (2): Great point.

: 1991

01:19:34,925 --> 01:19:35,376

kyle (2): girl.

: 1992

01:19:35,376 --> 01:19:37,776

Like she could, she, she

would've kind of sold out.

: 1993

01:19:38,571 --> 01:19:39,171

Katie (2): Yes.

: 1994

01:19:39,651 --> 01:19:40,581

I'm glad you didn't too.

: 1995

01:19:40,611 --> 01:19:42,050

I That's a really good point.

: 1996

01:19:42,511 --> 01:19:47,251

Do you feel like that sort of like class,

the really big class divide, do you think

: 1997

01:19:47,251 --> 01:19:50,461

that's like a dated thing or do you think

that's still in play in high schools?

: 1998

01:19:50,866 --> 01:19:51,856

kyle (2): I don't know.

: 1999

01:19:51,856 --> 01:19:51,976

I

: 2000

01:19:52,081 --> 01:19:54,001

Katie (2): I wondered if

Lena had, I wondered if she

: 2001

01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:55,141

had thoughts on

: 2002

01:19:55,336 --> 01:19:56,326

kyle (2): you know what's interesting?

: 2003

01:19:56,416 --> 01:19:58,936

So, the junior high she's in right now.

: 2004

01:19:59,536 --> 01:20:03,675

Is kind of far from her house because

she's currently doing schooling in French.

: 2005

01:20:05,026 --> 01:20:07,366

We're pulling, we're we're,

she's going to English next year.

: 2006

01:20:07,396 --> 01:20:09,286

'cause it's like, it's,

it's kind of too much.

: 2007

01:20:09,286 --> 01:20:11,716

But she's done school in French

from like K to seven now.

: 2008

01:20:12,536 --> 01:20:17,336

Which is not super uncommon here in Canada

because it's like a, it's supposed to be

: 2009

01:20:17,336 --> 01:20:24,536

a bilingual country, but anyways, so the

nearest French immersion school is kind

: 2010

01:20:24,536 --> 01:20:31,166

of far away and it's in like a really rich

area and like, we're not poor, but it's

: 2011

01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:33,206

like we're not we're not wealthy either.

: 2012

01:20:33,206 --> 01:20:33,506

Right.

: 2013

01:20:33,506 --> 01:20:42,175

So she's kind of the poor kid at her

school and I don't feel like she has

: 2014

01:20:42,175 --> 01:20:43,796

much of a chip on her shoulder about it.

: 2015

01:20:43,796 --> 01:20:44,906

I think she does a little bit.

: 2016

01:20:45,086 --> 01:20:45,776

A little bit.

: 2017

01:20:46,256 --> 01:20:49,496

And even me, like I grew up where

it was kind of more like that.

: 2018

01:20:50,246 --> 01:20:51,986

I don't think it was as bad.

: 2019

01:20:52,761 --> 01:20:57,411

I think this movie is kind of

more of an exaggerated, because

: 2020

01:20:57,411 --> 01:21:00,951

I don't, I didn't grow up around

anyone like stiff, like not that

: 2021

01:21:01,086 --> 01:21:03,546

Katie (2): Yeah, it is

exaggerated, of course.

: 2022

01:21:03,546 --> 01:21:06,366

You know, it's, it's very

tropey in that way, but,

: 2023

01:21:06,891 --> 01:21:10,821

kyle (2): But yeah, I think, I think it's

a little, I'd say it's less like that now.

: 2024

01:21:10,941 --> 01:21:13,821

I think we're less materialistic

now than we were in the eighties.

: 2025

01:21:15,066 --> 01:21:16,086

Katie (2): it's just different.

: 2026

01:21:16,116 --> 01:21:18,306

It's in a different way, I feel like.

: 2027

01:21:18,306 --> 01:21:21,425

But also there are, there were a

few things that I noticed about

: 2028

01:21:21,425 --> 01:21:23,226

this that really dates the movie.

: 2029

01:21:23,286 --> 01:21:26,616

Did you notice certain

insult terms that they

: 2030

01:21:26,901 --> 01:21:27,471

kyle (2): Oh yes.

: 2031

01:21:27,471 --> 01:21:31,641

My, my like when they said

the F word ending in T

: 2032

01:21:32,061 --> 01:21:32,751

Katie (2): the R word

: 2033

01:21:32,886 --> 01:21:34,026

kyle (2): yeah, yeah.

: 2034

01:21:34,126 --> 01:21:36,646

When they said that my

daughter was like shocked.

: 2035

01:21:38,175 --> 01:21:41,925

Which is funny 'cause when I was in

junior high that, that word is fair game.

: 2036

01:21:42,796 --> 01:21:43,816

Katie (2): It was, yeah.

: 2037

01:21:43,816 --> 01:21:47,806

It's just, it's wild looking

back, like over time we've grown

: 2038

01:21:48,136 --> 01:21:52,246

thankfully, but now watch, like that

was not, that was totally normal

: 2039

01:21:52,726 --> 01:21:52,876

for

: 2040

01:21:53,076 --> 01:21:54,721

kyle (2): I, I said

that word all the time.

: 2041

01:21:55,156 --> 01:21:55,516

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2042

01:21:55,696 --> 01:21:55,966

So

: 2043

01:21:56,011 --> 01:21:56,401

kyle (2): the time.

: 2044

01:21:56,491 --> 01:21:58,981

Or like you would say, like if

something's bad oh, that's gay.

: 2045

01:21:59,536 --> 01:22:00,076

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2046

01:22:00,436 --> 01:22:00,856

Yeah.

: 2047

01:22:00,931 --> 01:22:03,511

kyle (2): And I remember my friend

giving me a hard time about that

: 2048

01:22:04,666 --> 01:22:05,326

Katie (2): Really.

: 2049

01:22:05,506 --> 01:22:06,226

But you shouldn't say

: 2050

01:22:06,451 --> 01:22:06,871

kyle (2): yeah.

: 2051

01:22:06,871 --> 01:22:08,371

And I was like, this guy's so uptight.

: 2052

01:22:09,151 --> 01:22:09,721

But he was right.

: 2053

01:22:10,486 --> 01:22:11,056

Katie (2): He was right.

: 2054

01:22:11,386 --> 01:22:12,106

He was right.

: 2055

01:22:12,151 --> 01:22:12,661

kyle (2): I was wrong.

: 2056

01:22:12,661 --> 01:22:13,681

He was ahead of his time

: 2057

01:22:14,161 --> 01:22:16,761

and I, I wasn't yeah, R word.

: 2058

01:22:16,761 --> 01:22:19,911

So if someone dropped the R word in

the lunchroom the other day at work

: 2059

01:22:19,941 --> 01:22:21,621

and he got jumped on for that, like

: 2060

01:22:21,621 --> 01:22:24,111

people did not, people

were not having that.

: 2061

01:22:24,351 --> 01:22:26,451

I, I'm in a fairly left-leaning workplace.

: 2062

01:22:26,451 --> 01:22:31,161

Mind you, I think if I like, 'cause I'm

like the oil industry, it's, I live in a

: 2063

01:22:31,161 --> 01:22:36,291

fairly blue collar city and I think some

of those more blue collar environments,

: 2064

01:22:36,501 --> 01:22:38,151

people are dropping the R word

: 2065

01:22:38,406 --> 01:22:38,826

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 2066

01:22:38,911 --> 01:22:39,411

Mm-hmm.

: 2067

01:22:39,651 --> 01:22:40,461

kyle (2): slurs still,

: 2068

01:22:40,491 --> 01:22:40,941

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2069

01:22:41,001 --> 01:22:41,391

Yeah.

: 2070

01:22:41,391 --> 01:22:42,526

I mm-hmm.

: 2071

01:22:42,531 --> 01:22:44,451

kyle (2): but I'd say in schools here.

: 2072

01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:46,536

You can't be saying that anymore

: 2073

01:22:46,671 --> 01:22:48,050

Katie (2): No, no, no.

: 2074

01:22:49,581 --> 01:22:49,800

kyle (2): or

: 2075

01:22:49,821 --> 01:22:50,031

Katie (2): not.

: 2076

01:22:50,691 --> 01:22:52,581

Also, can you smoke in your schools?

: 2077

01:22:52,761 --> 01:22:54,351

Is this a thing that happens?

: 2078

01:22:54,711 --> 01:22:54,861

The

: 2079

01:22:54,876 --> 01:22:57,396

kyle (2): in, in, in not, not really.

: 2080

01:22:58,221 --> 01:22:59,121

Katie (2): I'm, I'm joking

: 2081

01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:01,836

kyle (2): Oh yeah, we had

smoking areas at school.

: 2082

01:23:02,276 --> 01:23:03,016

Katie (2): for the students.

: 2083

01:23:03,546 --> 01:23:04,626

kyle (2): Yeah, yeah,

: 2084

01:23:05,421 --> 01:23:05,901

Katie (2): you were in high

: 2085

01:23:05,901 --> 01:23:06,561

school,

: 2086

01:23:07,086 --> 01:23:10,236

kyle (2): yeah, Like it wasn't inside

the building, but it was like a certain

: 2087

01:23:10,236 --> 01:23:13,656

area outside the building was the

smoking area that students could smoke in

: 2088

01:23:14,721 --> 01:23:15,591

Katie (2): you are younger than me.

: 2089

01:23:15,591 --> 01:23:16,401

That's wild to

: 2090

01:23:16,416 --> 01:23:16,536

me.

: 2091

01:23:16,536 --> 01:23:19,266

kyle (2): or we had this thing called,

okay, so my mom went to the same

: 2092

01:23:19,266 --> 01:23:25,026

high school and there was this area

called the Pit, and it was literally

: 2093

01:23:25,026 --> 01:23:26,526

like kind of like a bit of a pit.

: 2094

01:23:26,526 --> 01:23:30,126

Like you walk two or three steps

down and it was just this big

: 2095

01:23:30,126 --> 01:23:33,996

circle area and it was surrounded

by just a few steps, kind of like

: 2096

01:23:33,996 --> 01:23:35,856

those sunken living room things and

: 2097

01:23:35,916 --> 01:23:36,516

Katie (2): Yeah, I can see.

: 2098

01:23:36,816 --> 01:23:37,806

kyle (2): but it was quite large.

: 2099

01:23:37,806 --> 01:23:40,056

It was like maybe half the

size of a basketball court.

: 2100

01:23:40,716 --> 01:23:42,996

And that used to be the smoking

area in the school in the

: 2101

01:23:43,296 --> 01:23:43,956

Katie (2): That's wild.

: 2102

01:23:44,586 --> 01:23:46,956

Well, I can see in the

seventies, but dude, like

: 2103

01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:50,706

kyle (2): but yeah, in the nineties

they, they moved that to, to outside.

: 2104

01:23:50,706 --> 01:23:51,816

You had to go outside to smoke.

: 2105

01:23:52,146 --> 01:23:54,576

But even in my, like I went to

a junior high high school, there

: 2106

01:23:54,576 --> 01:23:58,626

was a smoking area that was like

a designated student smoking area

: 2107

01:23:59,046 --> 01:24:00,156

Katie (2): that is so wild to me.

: 2108

01:24:00,756 --> 01:24:01,806

kyle (2): because you

could buy cigarettes.

: 2109

01:24:01,806 --> 01:24:03,036

I think it's 16 here,

: 2110

01:24:04,566 --> 01:24:06,126

Katie (2): you could when, I don't know.

: 2111

01:24:06,186 --> 01:24:07,446

I don't think you can now.

: 2112

01:24:07,476 --> 01:24:08,166

I think it's probably

: 2113

01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:09,036

kyle (2): or I think it's 18.

: 2114

01:24:09,066 --> 01:24:10,356

I think maybe now it's 18.

: 2115

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But I think back

: 2116

01:24:10,806 --> 01:24:12,366

then 16 year olds could buy smokes.

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01:24:12,456 --> 01:24:12,516

No

: 2118

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Katie (2): same.

: 2119

01:24:13,996 --> 01:24:17,056

So we see smoking inside

the school, just indoors

: 2120

01:24:17,236 --> 01:24:18,976

smoking in the school,

and then they, they just

: 2121

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step

: 2122

01:24:19,906 --> 01:24:21,316

kyle (2): it once in the bathroom.

: 2123

01:24:21,346 --> 01:24:24,856

Like when, when ducky gets thrown

into the bathroom by those bullies,

: 2124

01:24:25,966 --> 01:24:30,136

like into the women's bathroom, you

see a girl smoking by the mirror

: 2125

01:24:30,136 --> 01:24:32,326

there, which is like a common.

: 2126

01:24:32,836 --> 01:24:33,421

Katie (2): In the bathroom.

: 2127

01:24:33,556 --> 01:24:37,066

kyle (2): where you smoke in the bathroom

and that tells me you're not actually

: 2128

01:24:37,066 --> 01:24:39,946

supposed to be smoking in the school

'cause other, otherwise why would

: 2129

01:24:39,946 --> 01:24:41,536

you be doing that in the bathroom?

: 2130

01:24:42,106 --> 01:24:44,986

And I feel like Steph smokes in the

school 'cause he just doesn't give a fuck.

: 2131

01:24:45,601 --> 01:24:46,906

Katie (2): That's a good point.

: 2132

01:24:47,326 --> 01:24:48,826

Andy's friend does it too though.

: 2133

01:24:48,826 --> 01:24:50,356

In the in gym class.

: 2134

01:24:50,656 --> 01:24:52,096

She's, her friend is smoking

: 2135

01:24:52,906 --> 01:24:53,026

and

: 2136

01:24:53,056 --> 01:24:55,966

kyle (2): with like the

lesbian gym, gym instructor or,

: 2137

01:24:58,036 --> 01:25:00,466

Katie (2): Again, so trophies, so trophy.

: 2138

01:25:00,856 --> 01:25:04,846

I will say what this movie has in its

favor, given all of its dated ness,

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is there are a lot of characters with

gender neutral names in this movie.

: 2140

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kyle (2): yeah, I didn't think about that.

: 2141

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But you're right Steph.

: 2142

01:25:11,386 --> 01:25:12,556

I did find Steph Odd.

: 2143

01:25:13,816 --> 01:25:15,646

And Andy I also thought was weird.

: 2144

01:25:16,006 --> 01:25:17,086

Katie (2): Andy Blaine.

: 2145

01:25:17,446 --> 01:25:18,196

Benny,

: 2146

01:25:18,616 --> 01:25:19,516

Steph.

: 2147

01:25:20,191 --> 01:25:20,791

kyle (2): Yeah, you're right.

: 2148

01:25:20,856 --> 01:25:21,936

Katie (2): I feel like there's a few.

: 2149

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kyle (2): I knew a, a guy named Lindsay

in junior high who was an asshole.

: 2150

01:25:26,091 --> 01:25:29,451

But I feel like there wasn't as much

a gender neutral names growing up.

: 2151

01:25:30,151 --> 01:25:30,441

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2152

01:25:30,481 --> 01:25:32,436

I, I really noticed it in this movie.

: 2153

01:25:32,466 --> 01:25:34,716

I'm like, okay, you're thrown

around the F word, but at least

: 2154

01:25:34,776 --> 01:25:36,066

those gender neutral names

: 2155

01:25:36,381 --> 01:25:39,231

kyle (2): Do you find now that like

our names are considered like old

: 2156

01:25:39,231 --> 01:25:43,181

people, older people names like

I don't, maybe not Katie, but no

: 2157

01:25:43,181 --> 01:25:44,651

one names no kid Kyle anymore,

: 2158

01:25:46,841 --> 01:25:51,550

or apparently Ashley is like

a, the new Karen type of name.

: 2159

01:25:51,746 --> 01:25:52,436

Katie (2): really?

: 2160

01:25:52,436 --> 01:25:53,666

I can see that though.

: 2161

01:25:53,666 --> 01:25:53,786

I

: 2162

01:25:53,921 --> 01:25:55,001

kyle (2): call like a millennial.

: 2163

01:25:55,001 --> 01:25:55,991

Like a millennial.

: 2164

01:25:55,991 --> 01:25:57,071

Karen and Ashley.

: 2165

01:25:57,566 --> 01:25:57,956

Katie (2): Yep.

: 2166

01:25:58,946 --> 01:26:01,016

I, that totally tracks,

to be honest with you.

: 2167

01:26:01,016 --> 01:26:05,425

It's funny 'cause now I can see like

my nieces 13, like the, all the kids in

: 2168

01:26:05,425 --> 01:26:09,296

her school, like what their names are

and they're gonna end up being the, the

: 2169

01:26:09,296 --> 01:26:10,946

Ashley or the Karen or the whatever.

: 2170

01:26:10,991 --> 01:26:16,181

kyle (2): Yeah, but it's like we're like

now, like the Gertrude and Chester and

: 2171

01:26:16,196 --> 01:26:17,006

Katie (2): come back around.

: 2172

01:26:17,036 --> 01:26:18,806

It'll, it will come back around.

: 2173

01:26:18,806 --> 01:26:19,886

'cause they always do.

: 2174

01:26:20,306 --> 01:26:23,686

Like Henry is has come like a lot of

names like that have come back around.

: 2175

01:26:24,196 --> 01:26:26,026

Yeah, I wish you had seen

some kind of wonderful 'cause.

: 2176

01:26:26,026 --> 01:26:27,886

I'm curious what your

thoughts are in comparison.

: 2177

01:26:27,966 --> 01:26:29,046

I think it's superior.

: 2178

01:26:29,146 --> 01:26:31,516

I feel like Pretty And Pink

is more culturally famous.

: 2179

01:26:31,516 --> 01:26:33,826

Like it's more people have heard of that.

: 2180

01:26:33,901 --> 01:26:34,831

kyle (2): Even I had heard of it.

: 2181

01:26:35,296 --> 01:26:35,776

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2182

01:26:36,106 --> 01:26:40,046

But some kind of wonderful has like

gained reevaluation over time and I think

: 2183

01:26:40,046 --> 01:26:41,906

it probably ages a little bit better.

: 2184

01:26:42,266 --> 01:26:44,606

It's more emotionally mature.

: 2185

01:26:45,161 --> 01:26:49,191

The version of Blaine in some

kind of wonderful is Amanda.

: 2186

01:26:49,581 --> 01:26:52,521

And I think she, to your point

about you wanted to learn more about

: 2187

01:26:52,521 --> 01:26:54,981

some of these characters, she's,

I think she's a better written

: 2188

01:26:54,981 --> 01:26:57,411

character in some kind of wonderful

: 2189

01:26:57,456 --> 01:26:59,646

kyle (2): I don't think any of

the characters in Purine Pink

: 2190

01:26:59,646 --> 01:27:02,675

were very well written there's

not a lot of depth to any of them.

: 2191

01:27:02,675 --> 01:27:06,486

Like I find them all fairly

superficial and it, it's a shame

: 2192

01:27:06,876 --> 01:27:08,856

like, but what are you gonna do?

: 2193

01:27:08,856 --> 01:27:12,096

It's funny 'cause it's like the breakfast

club was like the total opposite.

: 2194

01:27:12,646 --> 01:27:13,066

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 2195

01:27:13,596 --> 01:27:15,036

kyle (2): God was his name Bender.

: 2196

01:27:15,036 --> 01:27:15,606

Like the,

: 2197

01:27:15,886 --> 01:27:16,536

Katie (2): John Bender.

: 2198

01:27:16,536 --> 01:27:16,736

Yeah.

: 2199

01:27:16,736 --> 01:27:16,746

The.

: 2200

01:27:16,746 --> 01:27:17,166

kyle (2): Yeah.

: 2201

01:27:17,436 --> 01:27:19,896

Like you, you find out

there's depth to him.

: 2202

01:27:19,986 --> 01:27:25,416

You find out more about him, like why he

is the way he is, like his abusive dad.

: 2203

01:27:25,416 --> 01:27:26,616

Like you, you learn about it.

: 2204

01:27:26,616 --> 01:27:30,036

Like you have these people who are

all these, you, you throw all the

: 2205

01:27:30,036 --> 01:27:35,166

stereotypes into a room and they

learn about each other and there's

: 2206

01:27:35,166 --> 01:27:37,241

more to you than just the stereotype.

: 2207

01:27:38,886 --> 01:27:39,306

Katie (2): That

: 2208

01:27:39,456 --> 01:27:40,891

kyle (2): movie, isn't that at all?

: 2209

01:27:41,675 --> 01:27:42,996

Katie (2): Yeah, no, totally.

: 2210

01:27:43,266 --> 01:27:47,316

Well that movie, it is, it's

known for its writing and also

: 2211

01:27:47,316 --> 01:27:48,666

it's just very dialogue heavy.

: 2212

01:27:48,666 --> 01:27:50,076

They're all just in a

room, the whole movie.

: 2213

01:27:50,076 --> 01:27:50,526

Like they don't

: 2214

01:27:50,526 --> 01:27:52,236

go anywhere or just basically.

: 2215

01:27:52,675 --> 01:27:56,966

But yeah, and ducky in this is sort

of unfortunate because he's like more

: 2216

01:27:56,966 --> 01:28:03,086

loud and performative and so people

for whatever reason seem there's like

: 2217

01:28:03,086 --> 01:28:06,925

a division about should Andy have

ended up with Ducky versus Blaine.

: 2218

01:28:07,226 --> 01:28:13,376

Whereas in some kind of wonderful

Watts is the, the girl, you know,

: 2219

01:28:13,376 --> 01:28:15,626

basically ducky the, the ducky version.

: 2220

01:28:15,686 --> 01:28:20,856

And she's very like reserved and

emotionally grounded and very loyal.

: 2221

01:28:20,856 --> 01:28:22,175

So I think it's very easy.

: 2222

01:28:22,175 --> 01:28:23,106

There's no question

: 2223

01:28:23,106 --> 01:28:24,126

that Keith should have ended up with

: 2224

01:28:24,576 --> 01:28:25,506

kyle (2): Ducky is annoying.

: 2225

01:28:25,596 --> 01:28:26,586

He, he annoyed me.

: 2226

01:28:26,616 --> 01:28:29,966

I didn't say to me, when I saw the

character, it's like he's not a bad person

: 2227

01:28:30,716 --> 01:28:33,956

or anything like that, but he's like,

this guy would never hang out with him.

: 2228

01:28:34,166 --> 01:28:35,641

Like he's just way too much for me.

: 2229

01:28:36,641 --> 01:28:37,061

Katie (2): Yeah.

: 2230

01:28:37,121 --> 01:28:37,421

Yeah.

: 2231

01:28:37,511 --> 01:28:38,111

A lot.

: 2232

01:28:38,126 --> 01:28:41,126

kyle (2): And I could see that's why

people wouldn't want him to be with her

: 2233

01:28:41,126 --> 01:28:44,606

because it's like they didn't feel like

endeared to him in the first place.

: 2234

01:28:45,386 --> 01:28:46,586

At least I didn't, I dunno.

: 2235

01:28:47,501 --> 01:28:50,001

Katie (2): What other observations

or comments, since you watched

: 2236

01:28:50,001 --> 01:28:52,800

it with your wife and daughter

what stuck out to you guys?

: 2237

01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:54,231

kyle (2): Okay.

: 2238

01:28:54,231 --> 01:28:57,161

I've said a lot of them, it's I

know for my daughter, she didn't

: 2239

01:28:57,161 --> 01:28:58,781

super like the film in general.

: 2240

01:28:59,216 --> 01:29:00,206

Katie (2): That doesn't surprise me.

: 2241

01:29:00,401 --> 01:29:03,311

kyle (2): Like I don't think she

find it, found it very relatable.

: 2242

01:29:03,371 --> 01:29:04,931

She didn't like the end.

: 2243

01:29:05,681 --> 01:29:08,771

It was funny for her to make

fun of people's clothes and

: 2244

01:29:08,771 --> 01:29:10,541

hairstyles and stuff like that.

: 2245

01:29:11,711 --> 01:29:13,391

I found it a little nostalgic.

: 2246

01:29:13,451 --> 01:29:16,931

It reminded me of women I

would see in my childhood,

: 2247

01:29:17,271 --> 01:29:17,691

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 2248

01:29:18,221 --> 01:29:20,471

kyle (2): like the, you know,

like my earlier memories would

: 2249

01:29:20,471 --> 01:29:22,721

be probably from: 1987

: 2250

01:29:23,111 --> 01:29:25,871

But, so it's like, I remember the

late eighties and I remember women

: 2251

01:29:25,871 --> 01:29:27,521

looking like this or talking like this.

: 2252

01:29:27,521 --> 01:29:28,571

And I found like the.

: 2253

01:29:29,156 --> 01:29:31,586

People's cadence was different

in that movie than it's now.

: 2254

01:29:31,586 --> 01:29:33,716

People talk differently,

they have a different tone.

: 2255

01:29:33,716 --> 01:29:38,306

They like, they say things differently and

I can't really express specifics on that,

: 2256

01:29:38,541 --> 01:29:38,961

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 2257

01:29:39,175 --> 01:29:39,881

I know what you mean though.

: 2258

01:29:39,986 --> 01:29:42,056

kyle (2): but like when

they talk it's not the same.

: 2259

01:29:42,056 --> 01:29:44,816

And same with like rule, you know,

like you have that transatlantic

: 2260

01:29:44,816 --> 01:29:47,486

accent when they're talking like

this on the films and it's like,

: 2261

01:29:47,816 --> 01:29:48,776

there's just something about it.

: 2262

01:29:48,776 --> 01:29:50,816

It's like it, things change over time.

: 2263

01:29:50,846 --> 01:29:56,936

And you know, I felt like overall though,

I wouldn't say the movie aged poorly.

: 2264

01:29:58,106 --> 01:30:01,196

I'd say I didn't find it that cheesy.

: 2265

01:30:01,226 --> 01:30:04,076

And I find like a lot of eighties

movies are really cheesy.

: 2266

01:30:04,641 --> 01:30:05,061

Katie (2): Mm-hmm.

: 2267

01:30:05,425 --> 01:30:08,066

kyle (2): I just found although it

didn't age poorly, I don't think

: 2268

01:30:08,066 --> 01:30:09,626

it was that good when it came out.

: 2269

01:30:10,493 --> 01:30:10,673

Katie (2): I

: 2270

01:30:10,673 --> 01:30:13,013

kyle (2): I don't think, yeah,

like it's kind of like the

: 2271

01:30:13,013 --> 01:30:14,663

American cheese of movies.

: 2272

01:30:14,663 --> 01:30:17,723

Like you can eat it, but it's

like, it's nothing special.

: 2273

01:30:17,723 --> 01:30:18,293

You know what I mean?

: 2274

01:30:19,193 --> 01:30:19,973

Katie (2): I agree.

: 2275

01:30:20,452 --> 01:30:22,763

I totally agree.

: 2276

01:30:22,863 --> 01:30:27,303

I don't know why it's so known,

like culturally known, but I

: 2277

01:30:27,303 --> 01:30:29,043

find very few people love it.

: 2278

01:30:29,702 --> 01:30:32,463

You know, it's, everyone always

points to the Breakfast Club or,

: 2279

01:30:33,153 --> 01:30:36,663

or Ferris Bueller, you know,

for, in terms of John Hughes, so

: 2280

01:30:37,538 --> 01:30:38,407

kyle (2): that is interesting.

: 2281

01:30:38,618 --> 01:30:41,348

I don't know, maybe like parts of

it, maybe the cost divide speaks to

: 2282

01:30:41,348 --> 01:30:49,598

people or I think also Molly Ringwald

is just like kind of, she's likable.

: 2283

01:30:49,688 --> 01:30:52,118

People like her, they

like the stuff she's in.

: 2284

01:30:52,208 --> 01:30:56,138

And I think maybe because it, it's

adjacent to something like the Breakfast

: 2285

01:30:56,138 --> 01:31:00,907

Club and it like when I, when you said

it had suggestions for movies for us

: 2286

01:31:00,907 --> 01:31:05,048

to review, I hadn't seen any of them,

so I had to pick one I think I would

: 2287

01:31:05,048 --> 01:31:06,618

like, and I think the reason I picked.

: 2288

01:31:07,508 --> 01:31:08,198

Pretty in pink.

: 2289

01:31:08,228 --> 01:31:13,118

It's 'cause it was a Molly Ringwald film

close to in time, to the Breakfast Club.

: 2290

01:31:14,048 --> 01:31:14,678

Katie (2): Yes,

: 2291

01:31:14,827 --> 01:31:17,138

kyle (2): And so it's like, okay,

I'll, I'll give this a shot.

: 2292

01:31:17,678 --> 01:31:21,758

And I think maybe, maybe that has

something to do with its popularity.

: 2293

01:31:23,288 --> 01:31:24,038

Katie (2): well said.

: 2294

01:31:24,038 --> 01:31:29,827

Yeah, it is her third movie in a row

that is very similar with John Hughes.

: 2295

01:31:29,827 --> 01:31:34,358

But yeah, she, she definitely

was a, a part of the culture in,

: 2296

01:31:34,358 --> 01:31:36,098

in the mid eighties for sure.

: 2297

01:31:36,368 --> 01:31:40,138

Alright, Kyle thank you so much

for joining me on Pretty In

: 2298

01:31:40,138 --> 01:31:42,388

Pink and you did pretty good on

the trivia, I gotta be honest.

: 2299

01:31:42,388 --> 01:31:48,068

Considering for: 1986

thoughts or where can we find more of you?

: 2300

01:31:48,518 --> 01:31:49,088

Hint, hint.

: 2301

01:31:50,618 --> 01:31:54,577

kyle (2): Well, my, you can go to,

to, to Kyle at night at OnlyFans.

: 2302

01:31:54,577 --> 01:31:57,718

That's where my it's only

3 99 a month to subscribe.

: 2303

01:31:57,718 --> 01:31:59,038

I think it's pretty reasonable.

: 2304

01:31:59,548 --> 01:32:00,388

Katie (2): It is pretty reasonable.

: 2305

01:32:00,448 --> 01:32:01,738

kyle (2): I'm very interactive.

: 2306

01:32:01,738 --> 01:32:03,808

I'm very friendly or not so

friendly, depending on what

: 2307

01:32:03,808 --> 01:32:06,568

you like, but uh, not really.

: 2308

01:32:06,598 --> 01:32:08,728

One more round, the Rocky Series podcast.

: 2309

01:32:09,191 --> 01:32:12,881

that's where you can see Katie and

I, and this, this guy named Ryan.

: 2310

01:32:13,331 --> 01:32:14,771

He's, he's all right.

: 2311

01:32:15,546 --> 01:32:18,731

that's, that's pretty much my

only online presence, though.

: 2312

01:32:19,331 --> 01:32:19,421

to

: 2313

01:32:19,421 --> 01:32:23,671

keep a low, my only fans in one

more round is really all I do.

: 2314

01:32:25,261 --> 01:32:26,131

Katie (2): That's quite a bit.

: 2315

01:32:26,161 --> 01:32:28,111

I mean, I bet your OnlyFans

keeps you quite busy.

: 2316

01:32:28,431 --> 01:32:32,321

But yes, teasing aside, yeah,

Ryan puts up with us every other

: 2317

01:32:32,321 --> 01:32:35,321

week if you like the rocky movies

that you can fight it on YouTube

: 2318

01:32:35,526 --> 01:32:38,351

kyle (2): And if you don't like

the Rocky movies, reevaluate

: 2319

01:32:38,891 --> 01:32:39,251

Katie (2): yeah.

: 2320

01:32:39,251 --> 01:32:39,911

What are you doing with your

: 2321

01:32:39,911 --> 01:32:40,121

life

: 2322

01:32:40,121 --> 01:32:40,300

if you

: 2323

01:32:40,331 --> 01:32:42,281

kyle (2): if you think it's

just a dumb boxing movie.

: 2324

01:32:42,281 --> 01:32:45,101

Look again, look more carefully.

: 2325

01:32:45,101 --> 01:32:46,721

One best picture for a reason people.

: 2326

01:32:46,901 --> 01:32:47,351

Katie (2): It did.

: 2327

01:32:47,601 --> 01:32:51,651

That is our look back at Pretty and

Pink, a movie that's equal, part

: 2328

01:32:51,651 --> 01:32:54,261

style angst, and oh so eighties.

: 2329

01:32:54,261 --> 01:32:59,511

If you did enjoy this episode, please take

a moment to rate and review or reach out

: 2330

01:32:59,511 --> 01:33:05,091

with your thoughts on if you think Andy

should have ended up with Blaine or Ducky.

: 2331

01:33:05,391 --> 01:33:06,591

Thank you for listening.

: 2332

01:33:06,591 --> 01:33:09,411

Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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