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Conference Finals Analysis
Episode 332 • 5th June 2024 • Overtime Hockey Talk • Mark Paul
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We analyze the Conference Finals of the NHL's Stanley Cup Playoffs between the Edmonton Oilers and Dallas Stars, and the Florida Panthers against the New Yorks Rangers.

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Mark Paul:

Hello and welcome to Overtime Hockey Talk.

Mark Paul:

My name is Mark Paul.

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Joining me as always, Justin Baker.

Mark Paul:

Hi, Justin.

Justin Baker:

I'm Mark.

Mark Paul:

I like the hat.

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What's on the, what's on the other side of the hat?

Mark Paul:

That's what we need to, everyone's going to want to know.

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Okay.

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North face.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

Fair enough.

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solid hat.

Justin Baker:

thank you.

Mark Paul:

And some solid series.

Mark Paul:

We're going to start off, with the show covering both Western and Eastern

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conference finals, one between the Dallas stars and the Edmonton Oilers.

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And the other, the Florida Panthers and the New York Rangers as well.

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It has been a minute that, you know, a few coaches have been hired

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and, we're going to break down, you know, the devil's hiring Sheldon

Mark Paul:

Keith, the Leafs and Craig Berube.

Mark Paul:

there's another one and

Justin Baker:

Dan Bilesma.

Mark Paul:

Dan Piles, my in

Justin Baker:

Yeah,

Mark Paul:

Yes.

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and I think we had talked about that actually, on our last show that was

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a possibility, but, we'll get into all those things and any rumors that

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we're hearing throughout the league.

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but let's start with the Eastern conference because that is, you know,

Mark Paul:

we're headed into game six, which is happening in six hours 2 45 PM, Eastern

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time on Saturday, June the first.

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So we're, we're going to see that game by the time you're watching this.

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The game's likely over, Regardless, like Florida wins tonight or not,

Mark Paul:

maybe it gets pushed to a game seven.

Mark Paul:

What are your thoughts on this series through the first five games?

Mark Paul:

Come

Justin Baker:

well better go to game seven because you know, my latest TikTok, I'm

Justin Baker:

like come on Rangers, but you know, really for me, I've enjoyed the goaltending

Justin Baker:

battle so far with this whole series.

Justin Baker:

You know, it seems every night it's just, it's super tight.

Justin Baker:

it's so hard to get a, to sneak one past either one of these goaltenders right now.

Justin Baker:

And you know, I, you know, honestly, if you had to pick, you know, the

Justin Baker:

two top goaltenders so far left in the playoffs, it'd be these two guys.

Justin Baker:

yeah, it's just,

Mark Paul:

an argument that could be made for Ottinger at different points of the

Mark Paul:

playoffs, but you would definitely look at him right now and you go, I mean, he's

Mark Paul:

just, he's an average goalie right now.

Justin Baker:

yeah, absolutely.

Justin Baker:

And

Mark Paul:

for the stars, but he's also not winning anything for the stars.

Justin Baker:

yeah, exactly.

Justin Baker:

And they need him to do that.

Justin Baker:

And, the other thing, you know, for me noticing through the first five games

Justin Baker:

of the series, it's just the absence of Chris Kreider and Mika Zabinijad,

Justin Baker:

that top line hasn't been producing.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, I mean, if you look at the numbers on a whole, Zabinijad,

Justin Baker:

you know, has a point per game.

Justin Baker:

I mean, he's produced, but it's primarily been, you know, the four.

Justin Baker:

First two series, first two rounds.

Justin Baker:

you know, they need him to come through if they're going to get passed, you

Justin Baker:

know, Florida, and especially like I mentioned with both goaltenders playing

Justin Baker:

so good and the series being so tight, they need other guys to produce, because

Justin Baker:

when you look at Florida on the opposite end through five games, it hasn't

Justin Baker:

been all Barkoff or all Reinhardt.

Justin Baker:

It's been, you know, a different guy, every single game, it seems like steps

Justin Baker:

up and, you know, does it for them.

Justin Baker:

And right now the Rangers, it's, It seems like it's just Trocheck and

Justin Baker:

Lafreniere and that's pretty much it and Gudrochipson and that's been it really.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

I think Crider has a one shorthanded goal, which I mean, it's fun.

Mark Paul:

It is funny that he had a shorthanded goal.

Mark Paul:

but either way you look at it, he cannot score five on five.

Mark Paul:

He'll never score five on five.

Mark Paul:

you're better off having fewer players on the ice for him to score.

Mark Paul:

yeah.

Mark Paul:

And when you look at, I mean, man, It's really, yeah, you're right.

Mark Paul:

It's been true check who has what two goals in this series.

Mark Paul:

he's got five points so far, in this one against Florida.

Mark Paul:

he's been good, but yeah, you can't, I mean, they've just been

Mark Paul:

relying so heavily on just Sturgeon.

Mark Paul:

Every game has been the shisterkin show, but I will say game five.

Mark Paul:

Took a little bit of a turn where I know Florida still outshot New York.

Mark Paul:

I think no matter what New York does, Florida is going to

Mark Paul:

outshoot them because Florida just tends to have possession more.

Mark Paul:

That's more their game.

Mark Paul:

New York is more like, let's like get in on the corners and let's try

Mark Paul:

to force you to draw a penalty so we can get our power plays, which.

Mark Paul:

Ironic that hasn't been happening nearly as much and they haven't

Mark Paul:

really been scoring on the power play.

Mark Paul:

So I think the one issue or maybe there's more than one issue, but

Mark Paul:

when you're the team and Dallas, the Dallas stars are almost a mirror of

Mark Paul:

the New York Rangers when you're the team who get possession five on five.

Mark Paul:

you can win.

Mark Paul:

Absolutely.

Mark Paul:

You can win.

Mark Paul:

I mean, both teams prove through the first two rounds that you can win,

Mark Paul:

despite not necessarily winning the possession game, the Washington series

Mark Paul:

aside, because a Washington, but.

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They don't have possession that's fine.

Mark Paul:

As long as your power plays going, as soon as that power play dries up, it's

Mark Paul:

going to be trouble and it's been trouble for the New York Rangers and really

Mark Paul:

the Dallas stars, which we'll get to, anyone, you know, I look at Adam Fox and

Mark Paul:

I think about how much of a play driver he is, and I'm pretty sure he's hurt.

Mark Paul:

I don't know how bad, but it's bad enough to make them look like he's

Mark Paul:

practically invisible at times.

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And that's, I think a huge reason why New York maybe where they are

Mark Paul:

when you're probably maybe not their best player, but he is their most,

Mark Paul:

maybe their most important player on the ice outside of Shisterken.

Justin Baker:

Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all.

Justin Baker:

And right.

Justin Baker:

I mean, when you look at offense, it starts at the back end and

Justin Baker:

that's what drives play up front for the Rangers, right?

Justin Baker:

Because they like to chip it in.

Justin Baker:

They like to go in, in the corners and get dirty.

Justin Baker:

So if you don't have the back end moving the puck, it's going to be a long series

Justin Baker:

for the Rangers, because I mean, I'll be honest, they're not as fast as Florida.

Justin Baker:

I think everybody knew that going in that, you know, Florida had

Justin Baker:

the edge when it came to speed.

Justin Baker:

you know, that neutral zone, it's about making that initial

Justin Baker:

pass out of the defensive zone.

Justin Baker:

Up to the forwards and then getting it shipped in and going into those

Justin Baker:

corners and digging the puck out.

Justin Baker:

And so that's the Rangers game.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, Adam Fox, you're right.

Justin Baker:

I haven't heard his name outside of the power play very much.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, when he's kind of absent, it's.

Justin Baker:

It's hard to get, it's hard to get offense going five on five when you're not really

Justin Baker:

getting much play from your back end.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

And I, you know, I expect whether or not Florida wins game six, I think we'll

Mark Paul:

see the Rangers best game in game six.

Mark Paul:

I that.

Mark Paul:

I think that is a team that they're not just going to go down without a fight.

Mark Paul:

You know, they're definitely going to bring their a game.

Mark Paul:

I think you'll see shisterkin will be just as good.

Mark Paul:

And honestly, all it takes.

Mark Paul:

I mean, even in that game five, you were like, Oh shoot, is Florida

Mark Paul:

about to get shisterkin again?

Mark Paul:

And.

Mark Paul:

I'm sure Florida was thinking the same thing.

Mark Paul:

Like it was tight there for a minute until they kind of broke through.

Mark Paul:

But I got to think that, I mean, if you're Florida and you look at these

Mark Paul:

five games, I think you go, we are the better team, but we could easily

Mark Paul:

be down three, two in this series.

Mark Paul:

which means this game six is not a foregone conclusion at all.

Mark Paul:

And, the Rangers have guys who make things happen.

Mark Paul:

Quickly and on a dime.

Mark Paul:

I just, I wonder about their injuries.

Mark Paul:

I wonder who's hurt.

Mark Paul:

You know, you were talking about Zabina Jad, not really doing

Mark Paul:

a whole lot in this series.

Mark Paul:

wonder if he's hurt and not that any time you don't produce, it means

Mark Paul:

automatically he's probably hurt, but it's the playoffs we're in the third round.

Mark Paul:

They probably are hurt.

Mark Paul:

And so is everybody else though.

Mark Paul:

But I definitely think I look to Adam Fox and I go, something's wrong, but you're

Mark Paul:

going to take Adam Fox at 70 percent over.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

let's, shift gears.

Mark Paul:

Let's go.

Mark Paul:

do you think the Rangers are going to come back?

Justin Baker:

I do.

Justin Baker:

I think they're going to get shisterkend because, I mean, yes,

Justin Baker:

I picked them to win the cup, but, yeah, I got to stick with them.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

I think Florida is gonna, I really want this year's to go seven games.

Mark Paul:

So I'm just going to say seven.

Mark Paul:

but I think Florida is going to take this one.

Mark Paul:

it's been a fantastic series.

Mark Paul:

think it's been the better of the two series and both series have been

Mark Paul:

like, I'd give both series in a.

Mark Paul:

As far as like the grade for how great the series has been.

Mark Paul:

but this one has the slight edge, think, just cause it's just

Mark Paul:

Sturkin and Bobrovsky, it's just been a great goaltending duo.

Mark Paul:

so let's shift to Dallas and Edmonton, Edmonton, of course, last night, the

Mark Paul:

stars and this one, you know, we're going back to Edmonton up three, two for,

Mark Paul:

for the Oilers and it was Ryan Nugent Hopkins, which, I thought it was funny.

Mark Paul:

Everything I was seeing about Ryan Nugent Hopkins was like, he's the heart

Mark Paul:

of the team, the coach's favorite.

Mark Paul:

And I don't know how I never picked up on this.

Mark Paul:

I guess it's a, it's a thing, but Ryan Nugent Hopkins is apparently

Mark Paul:

Chris Knobloch's favorite.

Mark Paul:

On the team and knows it and everybody gives them, give some shit for it.

Mark Paul:

but it was like all over social media, like the coach's favorite got another one.

Mark Paul:

I loved it.

Mark Paul:

Uh, what do you think of the way that Edmonton has played the

Mark Paul:

stars in the first five games?

Justin Baker:

I think, especially this last game, you know, Edmonton's

Justin Baker:

very North and South, right?

Justin Baker:

They like to just hit you with speed and just head right up the middle and,

Justin Baker:

you know, straight through your gut.

Justin Baker:

and there, there were, you know, obviously those games where Dallas

Justin Baker:

has come away with the W, they've been able to slow that down.

Justin Baker:

And, they really failed to do that.

Justin Baker:

I think in game five, they were super absent.

Justin Baker:

And I think the biggest thing for me with Dallas is they're not

Justin Baker:

showing up to start the games.

Justin Baker:

I don't know if maybe they just don't have the right alarm set or they don't have

Justin Baker:

their clocks on the right time zone, but.

Justin Baker:

They're not showing up to start these games.

Justin Baker:

It seems like almost every game Edmonton's out shooting them 10 to

Justin Baker:

two to start things off and really Ottinger's having to hold the fort, you

Justin Baker:

know, without it getting out of hand.

Justin Baker:

And that's been the repeating thing for me every single game.

Justin Baker:

I feel like

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

I don't know if you, watch the press conference following game

Mark Paul:

five, but, of course, you know, Hey, we're deep into the playoffs now.

Mark Paul:

And ESPN starts to send, some bigger name people.

Mark Paul:

And Tim Kalasha was there.

Mark Paul:

I don't know if you ever watched, I think it was like around the horn or.

Mark Paul:

you know, he was one of the guys on there, and he asked Pete

Mark Paul:

DeBoer, head coach of the stars.

Mark Paul:

He's asking him, you know, like questioning the team's character and like

Mark Paul:

why they aren't getting started on time.

Mark Paul:

you know, I think it ended with Pete DeBoer saying, go ahead and

Mark Paul:

write the fuck, whatever you want.

Mark Paul:

And

Justin Baker:

I missed that.

Mark Paul:

And just got on him.

Mark Paul:

Like you're going to question this team's character.

Mark Paul:

You're going to write whatever the you want.

Mark Paul:

and I think he was like, you don't even know this team.

Mark Paul:

You're not even here.

Mark Paul:

You just showed up for the playoffs,

Mark Paul:

which is so true.

Mark Paul:

I mean, hockey is the one sport.

Mark Paul:

I mean, you know, you've got the NFL, you've got baseball, where.

Mark Paul:

ESPN covers them all year long.

Mark Paul:

I'm like a beat reporter kind of viewpoint, but, hockey's the

Mark Paul:

one that don't play off start.

Mark Paul:

We got to send people to it.

Mark Paul:

I, he got them pretty good.

Mark Paul:

what do you think of Stuart Skinner and how he's played in this one?

Mark Paul:

Because he was really maybe the, maybe the weak link headed into this series.

Mark Paul:

How do you think he's played?

Justin Baker:

He's a rollercoaster for me.

Justin Baker:

I, you know, I, there's been a couple games where I just look at him.

Justin Baker:

I'm like, really, dude, you're letting in a soft one here, letting a soft

Justin Baker:

one there, but then he'll turn around and make really spectacular saves.

Justin Baker:

you know, I don't know if you remember that, that goal, you know, that Robertson

Justin Baker:

goal where he's down by the post and he just banked it in off his back, right?

Justin Baker:

Like he lets in those soft ones every once in a while.

Justin Baker:

And it's, you know, It's detrimental to this team sometimes.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, it just, there's been a lack of consistency for

Justin Baker:

me with Stuart Skinner's play.

Justin Baker:

And I mean, it hasn't been.

Justin Baker:

Super terrible where I'm like, clearly outside.

Justin Baker:

I think that Robertson hat trick game, I think, you know, I haven't really

Justin Baker:

looked at any other game and say, you're really the reason they've lost.

Justin Baker:

but he hasn't done anything in my opinion, to win them games, but he's

Justin Baker:

been solid enough to keep them in it.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, obviously.

Justin Baker:

He's let the big guys do their thing and take over.

Justin Baker:

And that's all he needs to do, really.

Justin Baker:

I mean, that's all he's expected to do.

Justin Baker:

Much like when Kemper was in Colorado, right?

Justin Baker:

he wasn't expected to steal games.

Justin Baker:

He was just expected to hold the fort down and let McKinnon, Rantanen,

Justin Baker:

and Landeskog do their thing.

Mark Paul:

Damn.

Mark Paul:

Although Kemper was still paid like 5 million bucks, I think for the abs.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

And when you look at the four goalies left, you've

Mark Paul:

got Bobrovsky making what?

Mark Paul:

10, right?

Mark Paul:

Rob's he makes 10, Shusterkin is at 5.

Justin Baker:

and a half.

Mark Paul:

which is, which, he is about to, yeah, five and a half, 5.

Mark Paul:

6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7 for one more year.

Mark Paul:

And then he's about to get, you know, his nine.

Justin Baker:

money?

Mark Paul:

I think he'll get Vasilevsky.

Mark Paul:

I think that's the kind of deal he'll get.

Mark Paul:

I don't know that anyone's getting 10.

Mark Paul:

I don't know that.

Mark Paul:

we'll talk, we'll, we can talk, you know, we'll talk goalies in the off

Mark Paul:

season as far as their contracts go.

Mark Paul:

But, you've got Shair 5.6, but that deal was signed a little while ago

Mark Paul:

and, during the dead cap kind of time.

Mark Paul:

So I would think that I mean, he's a $8 million goalie Dallas, Jake Inger, he's

Mark Paul:

at 4 million for more year, and then.

Mark Paul:

Stuart Skinner is that like 2.

Mark Paul:

6 and when you pay somebody 2.

Mark Paul:

6 little, I don't mean he's small.

Mark Paul:

I just, he was not even supposed to be the number one goalie when Jack Campbell

Mark Paul:

was signed for his 5 million bucks.

Mark Paul:

And so 2.

Mark Paul:

6 million, another two years after this.

Mark Paul:

And I mean, for what you get with Stuart Skinner, which you're right.

Mark Paul:

Not the most consistent all the time.

Mark Paul:

You know, he's not the world's greatest goalie, at 2.

Mark Paul:

6 million, what goalie would you rather have making Less than 2.

Mark Paul:

6 million a year.

Justin Baker:

I mean, you're getting what you pay for, right?

Justin Baker:

And that's what they're getting.

Mark Paul:

Yeah, a hundred percent.

Mark Paul:

and he's been great for 2.

Mark Paul:

6 million.

Mark Paul:

Like he's making less than half of what shister can makes, you know,

Mark Paul:

he makes one and a half million less than Ottinger and he makes, you know,

Mark Paul:

A fourth of what Bobrovsky makes.

Mark Paul:

that is what allows you to have the rest of the team that the Oilers have.

Mark Paul:

so I think he's been good enough.

Mark Paul:

I mean, they're one game away from the Stanley cup finals and yes,

Mark Paul:

Calvin Pickard had to come in for a couple of games against Vancouver.

Mark Paul:

but that I think was a really good thing for the Oilers because

Mark Paul:

they tightened up defensively.

Mark Paul:

And I think the Vancouver Canucks prepared the Edmonton Oilers for the Dallas stars.

Mark Paul:

So I,

Justin Baker:

I like that.

Mark Paul:

Canucks, weren't going to have huge possession

Mark Paul:

numbers against the Oilers.

Mark Paul:

They also didn't have the depth that the stars had.

Mark Paul:

They also had an AHL goalie who she loves.

Mark Paul:

I mean, he looked really good.

Mark Paul:

He wasn't expected to be there.

Mark Paul:

And, I think when you look at it, Dallas is, almost like a

Mark Paul:

much better version of Vancouver.

Mark Paul:

And they play, they've played them really well.

Mark Paul:

And I think they prepared them for Dallas and it's it's

Mark Paul:

going very well against them.

Mark Paul:

And, I mean, we'll see what Dallas can turn around here.

Mark Paul:

I don't think Dallas is dead in the water, but I do think that

Mark Paul:

they're going to have to somehow get on the Oilers just like early,

Mark Paul:

which they

Justin Baker:

the key.

Mark Paul:

game four, right?

Mark Paul:

Was it game four?

Mark Paul:

They went up to nothing.

Justin Baker:

yeah, you're right.

Justin Baker:

I mean, that's the key, right?

Justin Baker:

Get in there early.

Justin Baker:

and they, I mean,

Mark Paul:

today.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

Game four.

Mark Paul:

I think they got, was it game four

Justin Baker:

no.

Justin Baker:

Game four was the hat trick by Robertson, but, but still, I

Justin Baker:

mean, that's the thing though.

Justin Baker:

you have to show up and you got to get started early against this Edmonton team.

Justin Baker:

And they got to just find a way, I mean, in my opinion, to,

Justin Baker:

to slow down this power play.

Justin Baker:

that's the big one for me, right?

Justin Baker:

And they've got to get their power play going because, I mean, Dallas

Justin Baker:

is 0 for 11 so far in this series.

Justin Baker:

I can't believe it, but Edmonton's leading the league in penalty kill.

Justin Baker:

Insane.

Justin Baker:

Wouldn't never have thought that going into these playoffs.

Mark Paul:

and not to mention the power play that they have,

Mark Paul:

which finally scored in game five.

Mark Paul:

and yes, it was game four.

Mark Paul:

The stars got up to nothing the game.

Mark Paul:

Wyatt Johnson, Esalen Dell, and then the Oilers scored five straight,

Justin Baker:

That's right.

Justin Baker:

That's right.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

it, I was like, Oh, two, nothing.

Mark Paul:

Dallas.

Mark Paul:

We're five minutes into the game.

Mark Paul:

Stuart Skinner is going to lose it.

Mark Paul:

just tends to do better when he gets the incremental, you know,

Mark Paul:

okay, things are going well and he gets better as the game goes along.

Mark Paul:

But if you can get to him early, we've seen earlier in the playoffs where

Mark Paul:

that kind of spells trouble for the Oilers and he kind of shook that.

Mark Paul:

So I think it also shows to the maturity of Stuart Skinner.

Mark Paul:

He's getting better.

Mark Paul:

He can be.

Mark Paul:

He can be shell shocked here early in a game and it doesn't mean the game's over.

Mark Paul:

That may be more of a Testament to the fricking amazing team in front of

Justin Baker:

I kind of feel bad for Stuart Skinner too, in

Justin Baker:

a way, because Edmonton's had such bad goaltending for so long.

Justin Baker:

if he was a, you know, a two and a half million dollar goaltender

Justin Baker:

on any other team, expectations would never be this high.

Justin Baker:

because Edmonton has just suffered for, So long with poor goaltending since, I

Justin Baker:

mean, really, they haven't got anything since, you know, Javi Bullen and

Justin Baker:

going back that far, if you want, but,

Mark Paul:

Wayne Rolison or

Justin Baker:

yeah, I mean, again, it's just, it's

Mark Paul:

I think Oh, what was I going to say?

Mark Paul:

Oh, it's gone.

Justin Baker:

gone.

Mark Paul:

I had something and it's gone.

Mark Paul:

yeah, I mean, I like Stuart Skinner.

Mark Paul:

I think when you goalies that have won the Stanley cup lately,

Mark Paul:

he kind of fits the bill, right?

Mark Paul:

Like Aiden Hill and.

Mark Paul:

Darcy Kemper, like we talked about, I mean, Vasilevsky, but just like

Mark Paul:

the last couple of years, you know, somebody who just kind of finds their

Mark Paul:

way in and all you need is a goalie.

Mark Paul:

Who's good enough.

Mark Paul:

Got to make one more save than the next guy.

Mark Paul:

And that's.

Mark Paul:

Pretty much who Stuart Skinner is.

Mark Paul:

He's nothing more than an average goalie in the league

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

And I mean, he can be a good goalie, right?

Justin Baker:

I mean, he's still got time to develop, but for right now,

Justin Baker:

that's all he has to be average.

Justin Baker:

That's it.

Mark Paul:

who do, what do you see for the rest of this series?

Mark Paul:

Where do you think we're going?

Justin Baker:

Oh, I mean, again, I think right now it's,

Justin Baker:

I think Edmonton's on a mission.

Justin Baker:

I think, you know, McDavid and Drysidle, they look possessed, that top four,

Justin Baker:

whatever you want to call them, the core four, like in Toronto, right?

Justin Baker:

You've got Bouchard, Drysidle, McDavid, Nuge, these guys are rolling right now.

Justin Baker:

And I mean, yes, we, I've talked about the depth and that's been my biggest key

Justin Baker:

to why I picked Dallas in the series is because up front, Dallas has got so much

Justin Baker:

more depth, but if Edmonton continues to play defensively, like they have and get

Justin Baker:

average goaltending, I think these four guys up front for them, you know, and.

Justin Baker:

Bouchard on the back end.

Justin Baker:

They're just playing so well and they just seem possessed.

Justin Baker:

Like they, they finally want to get over that hump.

Justin Baker:

They've been trying to get to the finals for so long.

Justin Baker:

I think right now they're just, they're going to close it out.

Justin Baker:

I just, I can't see, I have a hard time picking Dallas to come

Justin Baker:

back in this to say the least.

Mark Paul:

Yeah, I would agree.

Mark Paul:

I don't, I can see them winning a game.

Mark Paul:

I can see Dallas going into Edmonton, lot of pressure, and

Mark Paul:

Dallas finds a way I think.

Mark Paul:

You know, you give these two games, I think that, I mean, Edmonton

Mark Paul:

just has the puck so often.

Mark Paul:

I think what, through the series, we're looking, we're like, 122 to

Mark Paul:

102 shots, five on five, Edmonton leading the way, but just their

Mark Paul:

penalty kill has been fantastic.

Mark Paul:

There, everything has been really good for the Oilers outside of maybe the

Mark Paul:

power play and the power play finally struck in game five and they won.

Justin Baker:

And the other big thing too, that,

Mark Paul:

just, when I look at Dallas, I just.

Justin Baker:

yeah, the other big thing for me with Edmonton is outside

Justin Baker:

of game one, that double overtime, they've started over 50 percent of

Justin Baker:

the draws in the offensive zone.

Justin Baker:

So if you can't keep them out of the offensive zone,

Justin Baker:

it's not going to end well.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

That's a, that's very true.

Mark Paul:

And you know, I think it was early in this series or before

Mark Paul:

the series started whole thing.

Mark Paul:

and I think I actually did a tick tock on it.

Mark Paul:

you can find us on tick tock, O T dot hockey.

Mark Paul:

talk.

Mark Paul:

because for some reason, OT hockey talks gone, but there's no account.

Mark Paul:

I can't get it.

Mark Paul:

there's some dots in between.

Mark Paul:

but you can find us on there.

Mark Paul:

And I said, I think that the way the Oilers will beat

Mark Paul:

them is through possession.

Mark Paul:

and that's the, the one falter of the Dallas system is that

Mark Paul:

they don't have the puck enough.

Mark Paul:

it's proven very true in this series.

Mark Paul:

And I will say, I know you want the New York Rangers to win.

Mark Paul:

When you look at the possession numbers of the Panthers and the Oilers, how

Mark Paul:

does it not just tickle you just a little bit to go, damn, both those

Mark Paul:

teams play each other in the finals.

Mark Paul:

They both want the puck all the time.

Mark Paul:

Which team is actually going to be the one that has the puck because they both

Mark Paul:

play, it'd be like if the Rangers and the stars ended up in the finals together.

Mark Paul:

think you just have the puck sitting there and the guys would be checking each

Mark Paul:

other, but they'd never touched the puck.

Mark Paul:

these two teams are going to be, they want the puck.

Mark Paul:

And I think it's going to make for an unbelievable final.

Mark Paul:

I think we're, we are steamrolling ahead to a Panthers Oilers final.

Mark Paul:

And I know the league would love the Rangers to be in

Mark Paul:

the final with the Oilers.

Mark Paul:

I think that would be the number one ratings success.

Mark Paul:

If you had all of Canada and.

Mark Paul:

of New York and the surrounding areas watching the Stanley cup finals.

Mark Paul:

You'd get some big numbers, but I think it's going to be Florida Edmonton.

Mark Paul:

And I think it's going to be fast and everyone wants the puck.

Mark Paul:

It's going to be crazy.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

if you're the league, you want Edmonton in there.

Justin Baker:

Cause you want all of Canada to watch it, man.

Justin Baker:

It's been so long since Canada's had a cup.

Mark Paul:

you need McDavid to lift that cup over his head.

Justin Baker:

solidifies him as an all time.

Justin Baker:

Great.

Justin Baker:

You got to win one.

Mark Paul:

And you want to add, he is one of your greats, based on what he's

Mark Paul:

done the first, like eight years, nine years of his career, he's, he is hall of

Mark Paul:

fame, like Maybe skip the ballot, like skip the wait time kind of Hall of Famer.

Justin Baker:

skip the wait time.

Justin Baker:

Okay.

Justin Baker:

Okay.

Mark Paul:

I think by the end of it, you could be in that spot, but.

Mark Paul:

You want someone like that.

Mark Paul:

It's the same like you want McDavid winning a cup.

Mark Paul:

You want Matthews to have a cup I get you want Bedard to eventually get his

Mark Paul:

cup You know, you want your superstar players to win a cup and it has been

Mark Paul:

a good chunk of time I think Nathan McKinnon winning finally winning his cup

Mark Paul:

in Colorado I think this would be seen as a very similar like he is he's different

Mark Paul:

this year You can see it in his eyes.

Mark Paul:

Him and dry CIDL are, are weathered, but in a good way, it's like

Mark Paul:

they've been through too much.

Mark Paul:

We can't lose again.

Mark Paul:

And, it's what I would love to see.

Mark Paul:

And some of, you know, as a Leafs fan, I'd like to see what I see in their

Mark Paul:

eyes in certain players on, the Leafs.

Mark Paul:

But, all that to be said, I think we're gonna, we're in store for

Mark Paul:

maybe one of the best finals that we've had in a very long time.

Justin Baker:

Part of me is, I'll be honest with you.

Justin Baker:

Part of me is a little romantic and want to see Adam Henrik win one here.

Justin Baker:

So we'll see.

Mark Paul:

Adam Henrik.

Justin Baker:

Yes.

Justin Baker:

Oh,

Mark Paul:

you a blowy or something?

Mark Paul:

ha.

Mark Paul:

Sorry, Adam.

Mark Paul:

ha.

Mark Paul:

you know, you can just see your face starting more and more red.

Mark Paul:

Oh, there it goes.

Mark Paul:

I'll have to put an effect on you for that one.

Justin Baker:

Thanks.

Mark Paul:

what is it about Adam Henrik that you, the real

Mark Paul:

reason you want him to win a cup?

Justin Baker:

Just cause he's been stuck in Anaheim for so long, man.

Justin Baker:

I just felt bad for him.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, he's always been a quality player.

Justin Baker:

I know that with New Jersey.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

he was on New Jersey,

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

in 2012, right?

Justin Baker:

Yeah, but they didn't win, you know, and,

Mark Paul:

Oh

Justin Baker:

you know, I mean, he, and I think he, what was it?

Justin Baker:

I, if I remember correctly, he got the overtime winner

Justin Baker:

to take them to the finals.

Justin Baker:

you know, he's been clutch for teams in the past and he hasn't been

Justin Baker:

able to go to the playoff sense.

Justin Baker:

So it's you know, when you get a guy that's just been, you know, I don't

Justin Baker:

want to say just playoff stricken for so long, He finally gets in and, you know.

Justin Baker:

After such a long drought, it's man, you know what?

Justin Baker:

I really want to see, I want to see good things for this guy.

Justin Baker:

And, especially coming back from injury, man.

Justin Baker:

And he scores that goal.

Justin Baker:

it was almost like, you know, it's a nice little storybook ending maybe.

Mark Paul:

It's fate.

Mark Paul:

yeah, I just, I think that'll be a, that'll be a great final.

Mark Paul:

I was going to ask you, do you think this is sort of unrelated, but related,

Mark Paul:

you know, we were talking about how greatness is almost measured.

Mark Paul:

You got to have your Stanley cup.

Mark Paul:

Do you think.

Mark Paul:

With what seems to be inevitable, 34 teams in the national hockey

Mark Paul:

league coming pretty soon.

Mark Paul:

If there's 34 teams in the league and like average player,

Mark Paul:

let's say a hall of fame player.

Mark Paul:

How long do you have to play in general to be a hall of fame player?

Mark Paul:

Like 12, 12 years, maybe as a minimum.

Mark Paul:

I know there's been a few who play a little less than that, but like

Mark Paul:

you, you're usually not playing fewer than a thousand games.

Mark Paul:

Like I think what Pavel Bure has fewer than a thousand, there's not very

Mark Paul:

many guys in the hall of fame with

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

Dad, Zouk has less than a thousand.

Justin Baker:

I mean, I think at least you got to play 10 years, right?

Justin Baker:

I think a minimum, like 750, 800.

Mark Paul:

you at 820 games, which is not still not.

Mark Paul:

And that assumes that you don't get hurt ever.

Mark Paul:

I, yeah, I think, we'll say average guy probably plays like 12 to 15

Mark Paul:

years, somewhere in that span.

Mark Paul:

I mean, yes, there's going to be some that are less than more,

Mark Paul:

but somewhere in the 12 to 15.

Mark Paul:

So if you're in there in 15 years.

Mark Paul:

Even if a different team wins every single year, that's still

Mark Paul:

not even half the league winning the cup in that 15 year span.

Mark Paul:

So there's going to be some great players that win the Stanley cup.

Mark Paul:

There will be 30 teams that go to the finals.

Mark Paul:

Potentially, you know, maybe you're probably going to have some overlap.

Mark Paul:

It's not going to be 30 different teams.

Mark Paul:

wonder if it starts to get he took his team to four conference finals.

Mark Paul:

Two Stanley cup finals.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

He never won it, but look at how far he took his team.

Mark Paul:

And that's going to have to become more important portion of that

Mark Paul:

conversation because yeah, when there was six teams in the league, if you

Mark Paul:

never want a cup, forget about it.

Mark Paul:

You couldn't beat the five other teams or even you couldn't beat the

Mark Paul:

12 other teams the 20 other teams.

Mark Paul:

But now we're at, we're closer to 40 than anything at 34 teams.

Mark Paul:

And.

Mark Paul:

I think at some point the conversation is going to have to shift to Oh, look at how

Mark Paul:

many playoff games he won, or look at his playoff record or something like that.

Mark Paul:

of course, you always want the guys who win the Stanley cup.

Mark Paul:

You're just going to put them into a different category, but you have really

Mark Paul:

great regular season success and you just don't have the team in front of

Mark Paul:

you, at some point, you're going to have to start measuring playoff success

Mark Paul:

as maybe a little bit differently than only winning or losing a Stanley cup.

Justin Baker:

yeah, I could see that.

Justin Baker:

And I think it's essentially going to be, what did you do?

Justin Baker:

What, I mean, not necessarily what did you do, but like, how

Justin Baker:

did you compete in the playoffs?

Justin Baker:

If you show up and you're, you know, you know, 0.

Justin Baker:

6, 0.

Justin Baker:

5 points per game, and, or maybe you're 500 as far as win losses as a

Justin Baker:

goaltender, Your numbers aren't great.

Justin Baker:

So to me, that would be a mark of, you know, if you're a guy who shows up and

Justin Baker:

puts, you know, a point per game in every single year and, you Just really, it pulls

Justin Baker:

the, puts the team on his back, but you know, of course, this is a team sport.

Justin Baker:

We know that.

Justin Baker:

and it's probably one of the better team sports in all of America, as far

Justin Baker:

as, you know, not having individual players, like for example, basketball,

Justin Baker:

You can have one great guy and go far, but, you know, in hockey, you need

Justin Baker:

other guys to help you along the way.

Justin Baker:

you know, what did you do as far as, you know, putting in your weight

Justin Baker:

right towards that ultimate prize.

Justin Baker:

And I think that's, you know, maybe you might look at two

Justin Baker:

during the regular season, some other accolades where you know.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

At the top of, you know, top of the pile, you know, as far as, you

Justin Baker:

know, offensive points of concern.

Mark Paul:

and all that.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

there's other things that have to come into it as well.

Mark Paul:

but I just think that eventually the conversation will have to shift to

Mark Paul:

look at how many conference finals he went to, or look at how many

Mark Paul:

playoff rounds they won or something.

Mark Paul:

Whereas that, it's weighed much heavier, much more heavily guys that are getting

Mark Paul:

into the hall of fame even now, when there was like 26 teams and, you add in eight

Mark Paul:

more teams, I mean, it's just you've got such a fewer chance of even getting to

Mark Paul:

the finals, that it's just, it's tough.

Mark Paul:

yeah, let's, should we shift to all the coaching hires?

Justin Baker:

I love it.

Justin Baker:

Let's go.

Mark Paul:

All right, let's, let's go to the, let's go to the

Mark Paul:

big one because, I mean, Craig Berube getting hired by the Leafs.

Mark Paul:

That was probably the biggest news that broke that, in that this time span.

Mark Paul:

And, you know, of course he comes in, kind of says like all the things that

Mark Paul:

you expect him to say, didn't really say much at his press conference.

Mark Paul:

And, he's coming in and he's gonna.

Mark Paul:

He's going to do some things.

Mark Paul:

Now we did see took a picture of Mitch Marner and Craig Berube

Mark Paul:

in a coffee shop in Etobicoke.

Mark Paul:

And of course, all of Leafs fans got hard and, they're trying

Mark Paul:

to figure out what's going on.

Mark Paul:

I think I want to know from you before I, you know, I little

Mark Paul:

fangirl comes out here, but

Justin Baker:

ha.

Mark Paul:

think Mitch Marner and the Leafs in Craig Berube,

Mark Paul:

does it make any difference?

Mark Paul:

The Leafs deal them?

Mark Paul:

what do they do here?

Justin Baker:

Now, I don't think it makes a difference.

Justin Baker:

I have heard that, that Marner has submitted a list of teams.

Justin Baker:

I don't know how much truth there is to that, but again, I'm always a

Justin Baker:

firm believer in where there's smoke, there's a, you know, there's probably

Justin Baker:

going to be fire at some point.

Justin Baker:

you know, whether they can get a deal done is, you know, what,

Justin Baker:

you know, what ultimately ends up happening, where he lands.

Justin Baker:

But regardless, you know, let's just say Mitch Marner stays in Toronto, right?

Justin Baker:

They can't find a.

Justin Baker:

The right package.

Justin Baker:

They just, you know, decide, you know what, Hey, we'd rather just

Justin Baker:

keep this guy because we know we're not going to get a good return.

Justin Baker:

We want to see if we can make it work, Give it a year.

Justin Baker:

And if it doesn't work, we'll deal them at the draft for his rights or

Justin Baker:

whatever, you know, have you, or do a sign and trade, you know, whatever.

Justin Baker:

Anyways, to me, I think.

Justin Baker:

You know, again, when you talk about that coffee shop, that little meet

Justin Baker:

up, I mean, you can say what you want.

Justin Baker:

Was it saying, Hey, you know what, you got to go or, Hey,

Justin Baker:

these are the expectations, right?

Justin Baker:

So it's

Mark Paul:

Don't talk to my guys.

Justin Baker:

right.

Justin Baker:

but for me, I think, you know, more than anything else, it's,

Justin Baker:

you know, I think it's good.

Justin Baker:

I'm to meet with every player, regardless where they're going to end

Justin Baker:

up, because he has no control over that.

Justin Baker:

You have to assume if you're Barubi that, hey, Mitch Marner

Justin Baker:

is going to be back next year.

Justin Baker:

You don't go in with the assumption that they're going to trade him because

Justin Baker:

that would just be, I mean, that'd be the stupid way to play the, you

Justin Baker:

know, to play your hand right now.

Justin Baker:

So you have to go on assuming he's going to be there.

Justin Baker:

at least anybody who signed is going to be there, right?

Justin Baker:

And then if they get dealt, you know, you obviously pivot along the way.

Justin Baker:

So for Barubi, Create that relationship, start building that,

Justin Baker:

you know, that relationship, you know, have that foundation and then

Justin Baker:

know what Marner's expectations are.

Justin Baker:

Maybe see what he wants to do.

Justin Baker:

Maybe that was the whole point of that.

Justin Baker:

you know, because we know about Berube and what he's going to bring to Toronto.

Justin Baker:

Maybe, you know, we've already heard, you know, Oh, he's

Justin Baker:

going to bring more structure.

Justin Baker:

He's going to bring better defensive systems, yada, yada, yada.

Justin Baker:

We don't know for sure what he's going to do, you know,

Mark Paul:

I

Justin Baker:

but,

Mark Paul:

is probably going to be the biggest

Justin Baker:

yeah.

Justin Baker:

And maybe that was part of the sit down, It's just Hey, you know what,

Justin Baker:

this is what I've seen out of you.

Justin Baker:

This is what I'd like to see going forward.

Justin Baker:

And again, not assuming that he's on his way out.

Justin Baker:

You don't want to, you know, that would be a fool play, but, you know, to me,

Justin Baker:

I just, I'm excited to see, you know, I would like to see Marner get another shot.

Justin Baker:

At with this lineup and see what they can do with a new coach, a new system

Justin Baker:

and have a whole off season to just kind of figure those things out right now.

Justin Baker:

whether or not, you know, again, management Shanahan, the rest, you

Justin Baker:

know, Brad Travilling, these guys ultimately deal Marner is, you

Justin Baker:

know, a whole nother issue because you need some help on the back end.

Justin Baker:

You need a goaltender.

Justin Baker:

so we'll see what, what ultimately plays out.

Justin Baker:

But I like at least that he started building that relationship with Marner.

Mark Paul:

I'm going to tell you what I think happened in the

Mark Paul:

interview process with Craig Brubeck.

Mark Paul:

Cause of course you're coming in like once, once you're at a certain point

Mark Paul:

in the interview process, they're going to ask you about You know, what

Mark Paul:

kind of line combinations are like, what structure are you going to play?

Mark Paul:

what are you going to do with this guy?

Mark Paul:

You know, what are you, how are you going to play?

Mark Paul:

You know, what would you do with the goaltending situation right now?

Mark Paul:

You know, they're going to ask you all those questions.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

Montour.

Mark Paul:

what?

Mark Paul:

What would you do with Mitch Marner if you were us?

Mark Paul:

And I think he went, look, I've been able to take other players instant.

Mark Paul:

When I was in St.

Mark Paul:

Louis, I took guys who maybe weren't known as being super tough.

Mark Paul:

I E like a Tara Senko.

Mark Paul:

I don't think that he was known as being super tough he took Tara Senko.

Mark Paul:

And by the time he was done in St.

Mark Paul:

Louis, by the time Tara Senko left, I know he's not it's not like Tara Senko

Mark Paul:

is going to go and blow anybody up.

Mark Paul:

You don't want them to, but you look to Tara Senko.

Mark Paul:

Like when they won their cup, he was a valuable part of that cup run.

Mark Paul:

Like they don't win the cup without Tara Senko.

Mark Paul:

And was throwing hits.

Mark Paul:

He was doing things that were very not Tara Senko I think he went.

Mark Paul:

just goes, I can do that for Marner.

Mark Paul:

I can take this guy and I can mold him into the player that he can be.

Mark Paul:

I can do it.

Mark Paul:

I've done it before.

Mark Paul:

So don't trade them, you know, and of course management is going to go, I mean,

Mark Paul:

we're, we have to look at all options, Hey, if you can go out and you can get.

Mark Paul:

A stud defenseman for Marner.

Mark Paul:

You might need to do it just because, not because you don't like Marner, but

Mark Paul:

just because you need a defenseman who can, you look at all the teams left

Mark Paul:

in this, in the playoffs, you know, like Dallas has their high skin in.

Mark Paul:

And I know the Leafs have Morgan Riley, but, most teams

Mark Paul:

have that extra, the extra guy.

Mark Paul:

You know, you look at the Panthers and it's Forsling and Eckblad.

Mark Paul:

And, you need a second.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

And funny enough, Montour hasn't even been that great.

Mark Paul:

but you need to have more than just one defenseman.

Mark Paul:

And I don't think they have that guy that they're, I think at one point,

Mark Paul:

TJ Brody may have been the guy who you're like, we can rely on him.

Mark Paul:

He can stay at home, but he has since that's no more.

Mark Paul:

And he was never that he was never elite.

Mark Paul:

think he was just really good.

Mark Paul:

maybe towards the beginning of that deal.

Mark Paul:

So I think you look at it and you go, yeah, we need a defenseman.

Mark Paul:

So if you can get one for Marner, I mean, it kind of makes sense.

Mark Paul:

And it allows you to reallocate some cap space.

Mark Paul:

if that defenseman doesn't cost as much cool.

Mark Paul:

But think that he said, I went, I can get this guy to play the way that I want him

Mark Paul:

to, and the way that he can be successful.

Mark Paul:

So that come playoff time, he is a fricking monster.

Mark Paul:

And.

Mark Paul:

I mean, if a coach came in and told you that you go, all right,

Mark Paul:

let's see what you can do.

Mark Paul:

I mean, you can always trade Marner at the deadline, you know, you can go,

Mark Paul:

yeah, we want to see some progress.

Mark Paul:

And if we see that he's starting to make some changes in his game

Mark Paul:

to, to become the player, we need him to become playoff time.

Mark Paul:

Then great.

Mark Paul:

And you can always trade him at the deadline.

Mark Paul:

Maybe that means he still has a good regular season.

Mark Paul:

I mean, he's never going to in value unless he goes and of course

Mark Paul:

like gets hurt or something.

Mark Paul:

I think that's.

Mark Paul:

That's gotta be like, as a coach, you're never going, I don't want this guy.

Mark Paul:

You're going to look at Marner and go, Oh, I can make this guy.

Mark Paul:

What I, what he needs to be.

Justin Baker:

I think any coach coming in and you look at that core for that

Justin Baker:

Toronto has, and if you were, I mean, again, any coach in this league and you

Justin Baker:

had the opportunity to coach those guys versus trading them away and trying to

Justin Baker:

figure something else out, you would take those guys and be like, you know what,

Justin Baker:

I'm going to take 300 point players.

Justin Baker:

And a stud defenseman and, you know, and then of course, you know, John Tavares,

Justin Baker:

I don't know where you want to throw him, but, you know, and I would say, shit,

Justin Baker:

I'll take those guys any day, right?

Justin Baker:

I mean, most coaches don't even get one of those guys, let alone, you get three

Justin Baker:

of those offensive dynamic forward.

Justin Baker:

you know, to be able to have that kind of, that firepower upfront,

Justin Baker:

of course, you're going to.

Justin Baker:

You know, go in there and say, you know what, I can take this guy and I can

Justin Baker:

kind of just tweak him a little bit and make him what I think he really

Justin Baker:

could, you know, what he needs to be a standout, you know, playoff performer.

Justin Baker:

you know, again, I don't know what that is, what his approach is going

Justin Baker:

to be, you know, whether or not he's going to say, you know what, just don't

Justin Baker:

focus on offense, focus on defense.

Justin Baker:

The goals will come right.

Justin Baker:

Much like Bowman did with Iserman, right?

Justin Baker:

Hey, let's focus on this end of the game.

Justin Baker:

Although.

Justin Baker:

Again, I don't think Marta really needs to focus on defense anyways, but

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

He's also, he's like your best penalty killer.

Mark Paul:

And there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot to it's really,

Mark Paul:

it's just come play off time.

Mark Paul:

like regular season.

Mark Paul:

He's fine.

Mark Paul:

No one has any complaints about him in the regular season.

Mark Paul:

it's come play off time.

Mark Paul:

And that's, I mean, that's everybody, which.

Mark Paul:

me, you're like, you, you need this coach to be able to go in and

Mark Paul:

is it the players or was it the system or who could we replace in

Mark Paul:

and around these guys to do this?

Mark Paul:

And I, it seems like the Leafs have been trying that for a long time.

Mark Paul:

So you look at those four or five guys and you go, which one

Mark Paul:

needs to go, who's the problem?

Mark Paul:

Is it really Mitch Marner is you'd really cross your fingers and hope it's not

Mark Paul:

Mitch Marner because he's talent wise.

Mark Paul:

He, Austin Matthews, I mean, he is your second best player.

Mark Paul:

he's just overpaid.

Mark Paul:

I think he, if he was only making, if he was making what Nylander made, I don't

Mark Paul:

think we're having the same conversation.

Justin Baker:

no, I agree with you.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, again, I think it all comes down to what Brube really,

Justin Baker:

you know, maybe he went in and, you know, during the interview process

Justin Baker:

and again, going back to that need for a defenseman said, you know what?

Justin Baker:

I need this, right?

Justin Baker:

This is what I need.

Justin Baker:

Maybe he would rather.

Justin Baker:

Take a guy or maybe, you know, again, backing up a little bit, maybe he

Justin Baker:

just went in and said, you know what?

Justin Baker:

I want to stack my front, my, my top line with Marner, Nylander and Matthews,

Justin Baker:

and then go out and get some, some journeymen, some work, you know, those

Justin Baker:

middle six guys, you know, like maybe a guy like David Perron, Who he has

Justin Baker:

familiarity with a free agent, a guy who can come in the middle six, probably

Justin Baker:

is not going to be super expensive.

Justin Baker:

Maybe a max Domi again, guys like that.

Justin Baker:

Maybe he knows how to.

Justin Baker:

To use those guys in the right way.

Justin Baker:

Or maybe he has some guys in mind where he's you know what?

Justin Baker:

If I can get these three forwards here to work, you know, you

Justin Baker:

know, to produce this way or

Mark Paul:

well alongside Matthews in that second half of the season.

Justin Baker:

yeah.

Justin Baker:

And

Mark Paul:

He was

Justin Baker:

I mean, again, we don't know what his, you know, what his

Justin Baker:

thought process is going in and what kind of systems he's going to put in.

Justin Baker:

But, you know, you gotta think, I mean, I, as Berube, I would.

Justin Baker:

You know, just be salivating to have a guy like Marner on my team, who's, you know,

Justin Baker:

both offensively gifted and defensively gifted and try to make it work.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

let's shift to Sheldon Keefe, who of course fired by the Leafs and hired

Mark Paul:

very quickly coach the New Jersey devils and their, young core, starting with

Mark Paul:

Jack Hughes, Nico, he sure Luke Hughes, Where do you think the, that, like the

Mark Paul:

devil's go from here with hiring Keith, like what was their thought process?

Justin Baker:

I think their thought process was working with the younger guys,

Justin Baker:

And not only working with younger players, but he's worked with high end talent.

Justin Baker:

He's got that experience with that high end talent.

Justin Baker:

I think that's when you look at Jack Hughes, you know, you can throw Dougie

Justin Baker:

Hamilton in there and a couple other guys, you know, Nico Heischer, and that's, you

Justin Baker:

know, young guys who have a lot of talent and, you know, maybe he, they think,

Justin Baker:

you know, Hey, this guy can come in and, you know, tweak a couple little things.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, we saw what he did right towards the tail end there

Justin Baker:

in Toronto for that last year.

Justin Baker:

So he was able to shift and get them to play a little bit more of a defensive

Justin Baker:

game, and maybe they're thinking, you know, what, We just need him to come in

Justin Baker:

and just help develop these younger guys.

Justin Baker:

And then if necessary, just tweak a little bit.

Justin Baker:

you know, and again, I just, I don't know what their long term thought

Justin Baker:

processes with a guy like Sheldon Keefe over maybe some more experienced guys

Justin Baker:

and, you know, don't get me wrong, Keefe has got experience, but, You know,

Justin Baker:

he hasn't got past the second round.

Justin Baker:

He's only been there once.

Justin Baker:

So maybe, you know, maybe their thought process is focusing on younger talent and

Justin Baker:

bringing up guys in development versus having an experienced coach who maybe

Justin Baker:

is gone deep in the playoffs, right?

Justin Baker:

Like a Dan Biles, my, for example, a guy who's won it all.

Justin Baker:

so he knows what it takes.

Justin Baker:

And he's also worked with.

Justin Baker:

You know, higher end talent.

Justin Baker:

Now, again, not to say that Bilesma wasn't on their radar, but maybe a guy

Justin Baker:

like Todd McClellan, who's been in the finals and, you know, worked with some,

Justin Baker:

you know, higher end talent as well, too.

Mark Paul:

Yes.

Mark Paul:

And I also think they looked at Sheldon Keefe and they went, this is a guy.

Mark Paul:

Yeah, sure.

Mark Paul:

His team didn't win in the playoffs very often.

Mark Paul:

One of the one time, Now there are some, can also look at it and go, all

Mark Paul:

right, the first year that he took over, he was fired, like Babcock's

Mark Paul:

fired halfway through the year.

Mark Paul:

He takes over a team that was way out of the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

They found their way into the playoffs and they almost beat the Boston Bruins

Mark Paul:

who are really fricking good that year.

Mark Paul:

And they pushed him to seven games.

Mark Paul:

So they're like, yeah, he did lose in the first round, but not all

Mark Paul:

those first round losses were.

Mark Paul:

We're considered catastrophic like that year.

Mark Paul:

It was I mean, yeah, the Leafs lost in the first round, but like

Mark Paul:

Sheldon keeps only been here for three months and, or four months.

Mark Paul:

And they almost beat the Bruins.

Mark Paul:

Cool.

Mark Paul:

And I think it was year, you know, you're like, we lost to the Tampa Bay lightning

Mark Paul:

who went on to win the Stanley cup.

Mark Paul:

It was that Montreal series.

Mark Paul:

Was the one that was like, should have won that series.

Mark Paul:

Montreal series was killer.

Mark Paul:

and like, I think that's really the one year where they should have won

Mark Paul:

and they didn't all the other years.

Mark Paul:

I don't know that you would have looked back and gone, Oh,

Mark Paul:

the leaf should have won that.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

And I mean, either way, I still look at again, all those, you know, early exits

Justin Baker:

and even the second round loss there.

Justin Baker:

they still showed up.

Justin Baker:

They still competed.

Justin Baker:

they weren't just pushed over and swept and, you know, look

Justin Baker:

like a bunch of jabronis.

Justin Baker:

you know, again, that's,

Mark Paul:

I think the New Jersey devils looked at him and said, all right, we

Mark Paul:

went to the Stanley cup final in 2012.

Mark Paul:

Since then we've made the playoffs twice.

Mark Paul:

That's two times in 12 years, they've made the playoffs, they won one round

Mark Paul:

probably at a very fortunate win in that round, you know, they, they beat the New

Mark Paul:

York Rangers who were heavily favored and they kind of had a miracle year that

Mark Paul:

year, a little bit, based on what they did the year before they had 63 points.

Mark Paul:

And the year before that they had 45 points.

Mark Paul:

I know it was a COVID the COVID year, but they were bad.

Mark Paul:

then they had 112 and then they went back to 81 and I think they went, you

Mark Paul:

were going to come in here and we are going to make the playoffs every year.

Mark Paul:

And then we have a good enough team to advance through the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

yes.

Mark Paul:

Do they want to win the cup?

Mark Paul:

Absolutely.

Mark Paul:

First and foremost, you got to make the playoffs every year.

Mark Paul:

that's a non negotiable when you are one of the best teams in the league.

Mark Paul:

make the playoffs pretty much every year.

Mark Paul:

you can have a hiccup here and there.

Mark Paul:

Tampa Bay had one hiccup that one year where, everybody got hurt all year

Mark Paul:

long, and they missed the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

Other than that, Tampa Bay's been in the playoffs every year.

Mark Paul:

The Toronto Maple Leafs, yeah, they haven't won in the first round very much,

Mark Paul:

but they made the playoffs every year.

Mark Paul:

The Boston Bruins, they make the playoffs every damn year.

Mark Paul:

that's where you got to get to first before you're going to go

Mark Paul:

and you're going to win a cup.

Justin Baker:

And you got to think too, right?

Justin Baker:

they've had Lindy Ruff in there for quite a while now.

Justin Baker:

And you wonder, you know, we had this old veteran coach, this

Justin Baker:

guy kind of stuck in his ways.

Justin Baker:

Why do we want to go out and find another veteran guy, Who's

Justin Baker:

just going to, you know, again, have that lack of flexibility.

Justin Baker:

And maybe that's what they think.

Justin Baker:

And Sheldon Keith, a guy who, you know, again, you know, a little newer hockey

Justin Baker:

kind of guy, and who has that flexibility to, you know, change systems and isn't

Justin Baker:

really just again, stuck in his ways, Boy,

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

And you know, the other damning thing is, since 2018, they finished eighth,

Mark Paul:

seventh, second, and seventh in the Metro.

Mark Paul:

Like it's either really all or nothing over the last seven years.

Justin Baker:

you know what I would love?

Mark Paul:

time

Justin Baker:

I would've loved to have seen Andrew Burnett take

Justin Baker:

over this team from Lindy Ruff when he was the assistant there,

Mark Paul:

he would

Justin Baker:

man,

Mark Paul:

well.

Mark Paul:

I mean, Florida, when they let Andrew Burnett go, we were both just like,

Mark Paul:

Why are you letting this guy go?

Mark Paul:

And then they bring in Paul Maurice and then ended up being

Mark Paul:

like, that was the money hire.

Mark Paul:

Paul Maurice has been so good.

Mark Paul:

did you see after game five, a reporter was like, yeah, so you

Mark Paul:

guys only had one giveaway all game.

Mark Paul:

And he just cracked up.

Mark Paul:

He's, he just started, he bent over and was laughing.

Mark Paul:

He's are you serious?

Mark Paul:

And he said, who was it?

Mark Paul:

You're like, you want to know what it was?

Mark Paul:

It was like, it was, he was, don't tell me if it was Bobrovsky.

Mark Paul:

And he says, no, it was Eckblad and

Justin Baker:

excellent.

Mark Paul:

out.

Mark Paul:

He's off.

Mark Paul:

He's out next game.

Mark Paul:

They had, and so I went and I looked the stats one giveaway, all game

Justin Baker:

no shit

Mark Paul:

unreal.

Mark Paul:

I think the ranger said 12.

Justin Baker:

Yeah, that's one giveaway.

Justin Baker:

That's a little unheard of.

Justin Baker:

Little unheard of.

Mark Paul:

funny.

Mark Paul:

Like he's just hilarious.

Mark Paul:

he's so light and relaxed in those press conferences.

Mark Paul:

he's fantastic.

Mark Paul:

I think that he is, he may, I, you know, we can go best coaches.

Mark Paul:

He's easily my favorite coach in the NHL right

Justin Baker:

sometimes, right?

Justin Baker:

that personality, you need those guys to work with what you have as

Justin Baker:

far as like player personnel, right?

Justin Baker:

If you have the wrong personality type coach, it just.

Justin Baker:

Doesn't work out sometimes.

Mark Paul:

Like we kind of got like John Cooper got elevated so much in

Mark Paul:

those couple of cups in a row and he made the finals like, and it was kind

Mark Paul:

of this, he's a very stoic, he's funny.

Mark Paul:

He's just, he's a lawyer, And Paul Maurice is just not a lawyer.

Mark Paul:

Like Paul Maurice is the guy that 100 percent would love to go

Mark Paul:

and have drinks with, be a riot.

Mark Paul:

To go and have drinks with,

Justin Baker:

Okay.

Justin Baker:

I like it.

Mark Paul:

of fun that he's having in Florida right now, you know, you

Mark Paul:

consider what happened in Winnipeg when he resigned, because he was

Mark Paul:

basically like, I don't know what to do with these guys anymore.

Mark Paul:

And this is not fun anymore.

Mark Paul:

And there was a lot of stuff that came out that COVID really just wrecked it for him.

Mark Paul:

And he didn't like being there anymore.

Mark Paul:

And think he has absolutely found the fun back in the game and he's having

Mark Paul:

a blast probably because of Florida.

Justin Baker:

Miami is a fun city.

Justin Baker:

Are you kidding?

Mark Paul:

that's you.

Mark Paul:

Yeah, that too.

Justin Baker:

Nothing to do with

Mark Paul:

final coach that was hired recently.

Mark Paul:

And that is Dan balls, my, who many thought, I mean, it sure seemed like

Mark Paul:

he was never going to coach in the NHL again, after the shit show that

Mark Paul:

went down in Buffalo when he was the coach there, what do you think about

Mark Paul:

balls, my getting hired in Seattle?

Justin Baker:

I think it's great, man.

Justin Baker:

I love seeing, you know, it's, I think what it's been seven years

Justin Baker:

since his last head coaching job.

Justin Baker:

And, I think it's great to, to see guys get another chance, but

Justin Baker:

not only that, you know, he's in the organization already, right?

Justin Baker:

So he's, he.

Justin Baker:

He's been their AHL coach with the Coachella, you know, Firebirds.

Justin Baker:

and you know, it's a great opportunity for him to come in.

Justin Baker:

He knows the systems, he knows the personnel, the players, the management.

Justin Baker:

So he's already familiar.

Justin Baker:

He's ingrained in that organization.

Justin Baker:

and you have the pedigree behind you too, right?

Justin Baker:

So you've, you're coming in, you've got the respect of the players.

Justin Baker:

Hey, we've got a guy here who's.

Justin Baker:

Played in, you know, coached in Pittsburgh, won a cup.

Justin Baker:

he knows what he's talking about a little bit, right?

Justin Baker:

So there's going to be that respect.

Justin Baker:

And plus he's done it very well in the AHL.

Justin Baker:

I mean, he's had a lot of success there so far.

Justin Baker:

you know, they're still in the playoffs from what I understand.

Justin Baker:

I haven't looked in the last few days, but they're still in it.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, again, when you have younger guys coming up through an

Justin Baker:

organization that is, so young, it's going to be very important to already

Justin Baker:

have that, that established connection with a lot of those younger guys.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

They're actually up to nothing in their series right now in

Mark Paul:

the Western conference finals.

Mark Paul:

I think the most important thing.

Mark Paul:

the reason that ultimately they hired him, he took Shane Wright, who it seemed

Mark Paul:

like everything was falling apart.

Mark Paul:

He took them and he has molded him and he is a damn good player

Justin Baker:

Yes.

Mark Paul:

Coachella.

Mark Paul:

The Coachella Valley Firebirds.

Mark Paul:

He has been fantastic.

Mark Paul:

Good defensively, like everything that he was touted for in juniors that.

Mark Paul:

I think, I mean, because of COVID, he basically lost a whole year

Mark Paul:

of playing because of COVID.

Mark Paul:

And, he did lose a whole year.

Mark Paul:

And what's that going to do for a lot of these guys?

Mark Paul:

I mean, we've seen it happen to other players too.

Mark Paul:

And I think he's just been able to mold him, shape them.

Mark Paul:

And he's been great defensively.

Mark Paul:

He's scoring goals.

Mark Paul:

He's got 22 goals and 59 games in the regular season.

Mark Paul:

he's got five points through six games in the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

Like he has been.

Mark Paul:

Fantastic.

Mark Paul:

And if you can now bring Shane right up and he can be your number one center

Mark Paul:

in the NHL because of what Balzema did.

Mark Paul:

I think that's reason enough to hire him because they need Shane Wright to be good.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

they need right.

Justin Baker:

And Matt, Matty Bernier's to,

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Justin Baker:

yeah, they gotta be the one

Mark Paul:

thing for them, you know, I got to think that's,

Mark Paul:

that's what they're looking at.

Mark Paul:

They're going, look at who he coached when they won the Stanley cup.

Mark Paul:

I know it was like a very different game, you know, 2008 penguins in the finals.

Mark Paul:

They went to the finals twice, right?

Mark Paul:

oh, eight and oh nine.

Mark Paul:

And.

Mark Paul:

You'll look at, I know it's Sidney Crosby.

Mark Paul:

It's a big, I'm not saying any of these guys are Crosby or Malkin, but what he

Mark Paul:

was able to do and shape young players.

Mark Paul:

I mean, we have never ever seen that again outside of Chicago and Pittsburgh.

Mark Paul:

None of these like superstar players, like McDavid, we're nine years in and he's

Mark Paul:

finally knocking on the door of a final.

Mark Paul:

I Sidney Crosby won his first Stanley cup in like his fifth year in the league.

Mark Paul:

You know what?

Mark Paul:

Patrick Kane won his first Stanley cup his fourth year in the third,

Mark Paul:

fourth year in the league 2010, right?

Justin Baker:

didn't take long.

Mark Paul:

I got to think you're looking at it going, maybe he can do something.

Mark Paul:

Maybe not like maybe we're not looking to those heights quite yet, but maybe

Mark Paul:

he can do what he did with really young players to help them along

Mark Paul:

and make deep runs in the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

I mean, it's worth a shot.

Mark Paul:

And he's clearly, I mean, we're talking almost 20 years later,

Mark Paul:

different game, different coach.

Mark Paul:

I'm sure than he was then, but I think it's a great hire.

Mark Paul:

I love when teams go and promote their AHL head coach.

Justin Baker:

Absolutely.

Justin Baker:

Love it.

Mark Paul:

All right.

Mark Paul:

any final things you, you want to toss out there before we get out of here?

Justin Baker:

I know we, we kind of looked at this a little bit.

Justin Baker:

we text a hot minute about, Phil Peronick.

Justin Baker:

I'd love to just kind of get your thoughts on, you know, Detroit

Justin Baker:

giving them up and now it's kind of clear why they gave them up.

Justin Baker:

So everybody was kind of questioning the long term like, oh my gosh, you know what?

Justin Baker:

This guy could be a sweet one two punch on the, you know, back end with Mo Sider.

Justin Baker:

And why'd you give him up?

Justin Baker:

And now it's.

Justin Baker:

Pretty clear why they gave him up now.

Justin Baker:

It's a, it's going to cost a lot of money.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

Yeah.

Mark Paul:

Of course that was, and there was an article that I had sent Justin

Mark Paul:

and it essentially said now, Hey, Vancouver, like Iserman saw this for

Mark Paul:

coming, so he got his draft picks and now here's Vancouver and they might

Mark Paul:

not be able to sign Philip Ronick.

Mark Paul:

is a, he's a, he's a.

Mark Paul:

He's an RFA with arbitration eligibility.

Mark Paul:

so whatever the arbitrator would decide, if it gets that far, then they have to

Mark Paul:

either take it or he becomes a free agent.

Mark Paul:

Uh, I'm going to go the other way.

Mark Paul:

I mean, yeah, I think Iserman definitely knew that he was a good player.

Mark Paul:

I don't think he knew he was going to be this good, nor did anyone think that

Mark Paul:

he was going to be this important to.

Mark Paul:

Quinn Hughes.

Justin Baker:

that's the thing.

Justin Baker:

I think he just, they clicked, they found that chemistry.

Justin Baker:

And you didn't have that in Detroit.

Justin Baker:

you know, I, at the time Vancouver was desperate, Tyler Meyers was

Justin Baker:

not the greatest of defensemen on the right side, and so they were

Justin Baker:

desperate to find somebody to, to match up who could play that speed

Justin Baker:

game, be responsible defensively.

Justin Baker:

And, you know, unfortunately,

Mark Paul:

did

Justin Baker:

yeah, he got

Mark Paul:

and a fourth or something like that

Justin Baker:

a first and a second.

Justin Baker:

I think it was, I'm going to,

Mark Paul:

and a second.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

I'm going to look it up here real quick.

Mark Paul:

you can't complain about a first round pick.

Mark Paul:

I, but I will say that the argument of, see, he would

Mark Paul:

have cost him a lot of money.

Mark Paul:

Therefore he shouldn't have traded them.

Mark Paul:

I mean, Conor McDavid cost the Oilers a lot of money.

Mark Paul:

Maybe they should trade him.

Mark Paul:

I, there is a point where you go, I mean, in some respects, I don't

Mark Paul:

think Heisman knew that he was going to be this good, you know?

Mark Paul:

He's gonna be Devon TAs.

Mark Paul:

that's, they've gotta be looking at that and going, this Devon TAs,

Justin Baker:

I think they're hoping that They're going to have their Makar

Justin Baker:

Taves pairing with Ronick and Hughes, And they got lucky with Hughes too,

Justin Baker:

and signed him as cheap as they did.

Mark Paul:

right.

Mark Paul:

Which, Devon Tave signed 7.25, but he's a, he's much older though, you know,

Mark Paul:

he's 30 years old and Ronan's only 26.

Mark Paul:

I mean, I think that number is probably reasonable.

Mark Paul:

Somewhere between seven, seven and a half million dollars.

Mark Paul:

I think you almost have to do it.

Mark Paul:

And maybe Ronan kind of knows, you're going to make Quinn Hughes real unhappy

Mark Paul:

if you don't bring me back, because we both just had career years together

Mark Paul:

and we got to within a sniff of the conference finals when we weren't

Mark Paul:

even supposed to make the playoffs.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

And unfortunately it might end up costing them, maybe someone up front, right?

Justin Baker:

Like I don't want to say a Brock Besser, but, you're going to have to move some

Justin Baker:

money out to, to keep them because you know, you just paid Elias Pettersson.

Justin Baker:

you've got JT Miller signed and, you know, of course, gosh, you know, Brock Besser.

Mark Paul:

where McKay of stays in Vancouver.

Justin Baker:

No, I can't either.

Mark Paul:

I think he's got to be the odd man.

Mark Paul:

I mean, he's making almost 5 million.

Mark Paul:

He has a 12 team, no trade list, but you can work around that.

Mark Paul:

And, I don't see a world where he stays because you can't trade Conor Garland

Mark Paul:

after the playoffs that he just had.

Mark Paul:

He was unreal.

Mark Paul:

He was their best player.

Mark Paul:

Probably half those playoff games.

Mark Paul:

He was fantastic.

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

He and Elias Pedersen were great.

Justin Baker:

And Dakota, I mean, Joshua, they have so many, you know, RFAs and

Justin Baker:

UFAs they have to look at it.

Justin Baker:

it's going to be crazy to try to, you know, piece back a team,

Justin Baker:

I think after the year they had.

Justin Baker:

And, for Detroit, You mentioned that the, we mentioned the first and second round.

Justin Baker:

I'm looking at who they ended up drafting, in two 2023.

Justin Baker:

And it was Axel Sandin Palika.

Justin Baker:

And I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but I mean, this kid is, he looks

Justin Baker:

He's going to be a stud in the NHL.

Justin Baker:

And I think already a lot of, you know, hockey writers out there, they've got

Justin Baker:

them penciled in as like the number one, number two prospect in Detroit pool.

Justin Baker:

Already.

Justin Baker:

This guy's that good.

Mark Paul:

I mean, yeah, and that makes the trade worth it.

Mark Paul:

I w I'm not saying that the trade wasn't a wise decision.

Mark Paul:

The argument of Eisenman knew he would cost too much.

Mark Paul:

I don't know.

Mark Paul:

I don't know that Eisenman would look at it and go, he's going to cost me too much.

Mark Paul:

Cause if he's going to cost you a lot, that means he's good.

Mark Paul:

I don't think Iserman is going, let's give up someone really good for a draft pick

Mark Paul:

where I don't even know who we're going to get at this position at that time, you

Mark Paul:

know, obviously they end up with a guy that they really like and it works out.

Mark Paul:

but I don't know if he's going, he's going to be too expensive.

Mark Paul:

So let's trade him.

Mark Paul:

I think he thought, I think people are overvaluing him right now.

Mark Paul:

And I can get a first and a second round pick.

Mark Paul:

For this guy, let's go.

Mark Paul:

And then he ended up being better than I think anyone thought at the same

Mark Paul:

time, though, I don't think Iserman is going to regret it because of the pick

Mark Paul:

that he got, but also he'd go, we don't have Quinn Hughes that's great for him.

Mark Paul:

He's great with him, but he's not playing it.

Mark Paul:

He, it's not like we were going to put Ronic with, you know, Ben chariot, and

Mark Paul:

he was going to be good all of a sudden, or, I mean, and they, him and Marie

Mark Paul:

cider play the same way together that Hughes and him are playing together.

Mark Paul:

So think it's a, it's, it was a win.

Mark Paul:

Like everybody can smile and be happy about it.

Justin Baker:

No, I agree with.

Mark Paul:

signs them.

Mark Paul:

If Vancouver doesn't sign them, then Vancouver is going to be real pissed

Justin Baker:

Yeah.

Justin Baker:

I mean, I think they could probably get a first rounder for him, but I

Justin Baker:

don't know if they're going to get a first and a second round right now for

Justin Baker:

a guy, like that, but you never know.

Mark Paul:

left of before he becomes a UFA.

Justin Baker:

That's the thing.

Mark Paul:

I don't think they're going to train my, I think

Mark Paul:

it's McKay of on his way out.

Justin Baker:

they'll find a way to make it work.

Justin Baker:

I really think so.

Justin Baker:

You know, whether they got to give him a little bit more term or, you know, maybe

Justin Baker:

he takes a three year deal and he cashes back in when he's 29, who knows, but.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

They have 20, almost 24 million in cap space available as well.

Mark Paul:

I know they've got several guys to sign, but they got to

Mark Paul:

decide to go to Josh, Joshua.

Mark Paul:

I doubt Elias Lindholm is coming back, although they really liked

Mark Paul:

the way he played in the playoffs.

Mark Paul:

But,

Justin Baker:

He's priced himself

Mark Paul:

Austin's going to come back.

Mark Paul:

Boston's going to throw him some money.

Justin Baker:

Ooh, Boston.

Justin Baker:

Okay.

Justin Baker:

I think they're going to go after another Canuck by the name of Elias

Justin Baker:

Lindholm, but we'll see about that.

Mark Paul:

no, that's what I'm saying.

Justin Baker:

Oh, I think it's in the Code of Joshua.

Justin Baker:

I'm sorry.

Mark Paul:

Oh, Dakota got, Oh, I'm sorry.

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Yes.

Mark Paul:

I did say Dakota Joshua.

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Then I said Elias Lab.

Justin Baker:

yeah, I missed that.

Justin Baker:

I'm sorry.

Mark Paul:

Yep.

Mark Paul:

I think Boston's going after Lindholm.

Justin Baker:

Yeah, absolutely.

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