Shownotes
State of the Second hosts Kaylee and John sit down with Sean Patrick Terrio, a tech executive and digital privacy advocate who co-founded mark37.com. The conversation opens with rapid fire questions and turns into a full primer on why the phones, watches, cars, and smart-home devices we carry every day are, in Terrio's words, surveillance tracking devices. He frames the whole problem with a gun analogy gun owners will feel: you would never carry a firearm into a fight if it streamed your location, audio, and video straight to the enemy, yet that is exactly what an iPhone or Android phone does when the companies behind it fund causes opposed to the values of the people using them.
Terrio spent his career in Silicon Valley and the data center industry, where he saw how the back end really works, and he walks the hosts through the core ideas: what privacy actually means (granting access only to people you choose), the Fourth Amendment, the addiction that devices are engineered to create, and how cars now report your driving data to manufacturers and insurers. His repeated point is that the question is not whether you can do something on your phone, but whether you should. He argues most people are not tech savvy the way they are gun savvy, and the fix starts with learning the basics rather than reaching for advanced tools like a VPN before understanding them.
On the practical side, Terrio explains what mark37.com sells: de-Googled phones and laptops running GrapheneOS, an open-source operating system built on Android. The devices are carrier agnostic, run the apps people rely on through sandboxed Google Play Services, and let users keep their number by moving the SIM and telling Apple or Google to stop routing their calls and texts. He covers pricing (phones from around $400, laptops from the high $500s), the free 15 to 30 minute privacy consultations his team offers, and a roadmap on the site. Listeners get a 5 percent discount at mark37.com/goa, with a percentage of every sale going back to GOA. The episode closes with the reminder about GOALS 2026, GOA's 50th anniversary celebration in Des Moines, Iowa on August 1st and 2nd.
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Questions this episode answers
What does digital privacy actually mean, and why does the Fourth Amendment matter to it?
Sean Patrick Terrio defines privacy as granting access to your data only to people you choose, and he ties it to Fourth Amendment protections. His core test is not whether you can do something on a device, but whether you should.
Are our phones really listening to and recording us all day?
Terrio argues that phones, watches, cars, and smart-home devices function as surveillance tracking devices that monitor users constantly. He spent his career in Silicon Valley and the data center industry, where he saw how the back end of this infrastructure actually works.
Is a VPN a must-have privacy tool, or is it overhyped?
Terrio cautions against reaching for advanced tools like a VPN before you understand the basics. He argues most people should start by learning fundamentals rather than jumping to tools they do not yet grasp.
What is GrapheneOS, and how is it different from a standard iPhone or Android phone?
GrapheneOS is an open-source operating system built on Android that runs on the de-Googled phones and laptops mark37.com sells. Unlike a standard iPhone or Android phone, these devices are carrier agnostic and run apps through sandboxed Google Play Services to keep data under the user's control.
Can you still use everyday apps on a de-Googled device?
Yes. The devices run the apps people rely on through sandboxed Google Play Services, so users can keep using the software they need while limiting how much data leaves the device.
Will these privacy phones work on any carrier, and can you keep your existing number?
The phones are carrier agnostic, so they work across carriers. You keep your existing number by moving the SIM and telling Apple or Google to stop routing your calls and texts.
How much do mark37.com's phones and laptops cost?
Phones start around $400 and laptops start in the high $500s. mark37.com also offers free 15 to 30 minute privacy consultations, and listeners get 5 percent off at mark37.com/goa, with a percentage of every sale going back to Gun Owners of America.
Are steps like a Faraday bag or turning your phone off at night enough, or just a band-aid?
Terrio treats these as partial measures rather than a full fix. His larger point is that real change comes from understanding how devices track you and taking back control of your data, not from one-off workarounds.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and meet Sean Patrick Terrio
- 00:18 — Rapid fire questions
- 02:59 — Sponsor: Langdon Tactical
- 03:38 — Terrio's Silicon Valley and data center background
- 05:10 — The firearm-with-a-tracker analogy
- 08:11 — What privacy means and the surveillance state
- 11:22 — Devices are addictive by design
- 14:03 — Where the name Mark 37 comes from
- 15:44 — Cars as mobile surveillance devices
- 22:50 — What makes mark37's devices different: GrapheneOS
- 31:14 — Sponsor: Patriot Mobile
- 32:35 — Faraday bags and limits: band-aid or fix?
- 36:42 — Is the AI revolution a net benefit or negative?
- 41:32 — Practical questions: carriers, apps, what to replace first
- 48:17 — Pricing, the GOA discount, and free consultations
- 49:18 — Wrap-up and GOALS 2026
About the guest
Sean Patrick Terrio is a tech executive, digital privacy advocate, and co-founder of mark37.com. He spent the vast majority of his career in Silicon Valley as an entrepreneur and worked across several software companies before moving into the data center industry, where he gained hands-on experience with how digital infrastructure operates on the back end. He wrote a book on that industry called the Data Center Colocation Industry Playbook. He left the industry after concluding it was opposed to his values and faith, and now builds de-Googled phones and laptops running GrapheneOS through mark37.com, which has hundreds of users. He is 45 and has three kids. He also does training and education on AI.
Key quotes
"Most people don't fully grasp that their devices are being listened to all day, every day." — Sean Patrick Terrio
"It's a tool and a weapon because it's been weaponized against you." — Sean Patrick Terrio
"We literally live in a surveillance state right now." — Sean Patrick Terrio
"The question, as I've been hammering, is not can I use it? It's should I use it?" — Sean Patrick Terrio
"So our cars are now mobile surveillance tracking devices." — Sean Patrick Terrio
"You can still live in society, but now have control of your data because that's key." — Sean Patrick Terrio
Transcripts
Welcome to Gun Owners of America State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kayleigh.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And today we're joined by Sean Patrick Terrio, tech executive, digital privacy advocate and co founder of mark37.com how are you, my friend?
Speaker C:I'm doing great.
Speaker B:All right, let's go ahead and dive into our first segment, which is rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:We're going to ask you five questions.
Speaker B:You answer them as quickly or as shortly as you want.
Speaker B:The first question is, what is the number one app you should tell people to delete today?
Speaker C:Facebook, TikTok.
Speaker C:There's so many.
Speaker C:There's no number one app.
Speaker C:All of them.
Speaker C:Delete all of your apps.
Speaker C:Get rid of it all.
Speaker A:What is the biggest privacy myth people believe?
Speaker C:Most people don't fully grasp that their devices are being listened to all day, every day.
Speaker C:So I think that's key.
Speaker C:People just don't.
Speaker C:They're oblivious to this fact.
Speaker C:Even though when I ask people, hey, have you had it such that you've talked about something and then you saw ads for that?
Speaker C:Everyone's like, oh yeah, I see that all the time.
Speaker C:They don't quite realize and put it all together.
Speaker C:Well, your device is literally recording every conversation, everything that's happening around you all the time, and doesn't delete that data.
Speaker C:That data gets stored and stays.
Speaker C:So I think that's, that's a key thing.
Speaker B:Is a VPN a must have or overhyped?
Speaker C:So that's a complicated question, but I would say a VPN is a advanced level privacy tool.
Speaker C:And those who dive into using VPNs tend to not fully understand what the heck a VPN actually is or how it works.
Speaker C:So until you understand the basics, you shouldn't start using more complex tools until you even understand what they are and how they work.
Speaker C:It's the same thing with firearms.
Speaker C:You don't start using advanced level firearms until you understand the basics.
Speaker C:So people end up hurting themselves and causing more pain and more aggravation because they start trying to do things that are just like black belt, brown belt level stuff when they haven't even mastered the basics.
Speaker A:What is your favorite productivity hack?
Speaker C:Productivity hack, journaling, 100%.
Speaker C:I've been doing this.
Speaker C:I'm 45.
Speaker C:I've been doing this since I was 19.
Speaker C:I think everyone needs to physically get a pen or pencil and write every day because it changes how your brain operates and it also makes you a heck of a lot more productive.
Speaker C:And specifically, just write three things.
Speaker C:What are three things that if I got done Today I could end my day and be like I had a productive day and focus on those three things and then everything else after that you know is gravy because you got those three things done, you just made a new friend.
Speaker B:If you had to trust one tech company with your data, who would it be?
Speaker C:Mark37.com Bingo.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:So that wraps up our rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:Let's go ahead and dive into this.
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Speaker B:Just give the folks a little bit about who you are, how you got into this, what is mark37.com all that stuff.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:So I've Sean Patrick Terrio I've been in Silicon Valley for the vast majority of my career.
Speaker C:I worked for as an entrepreneur, worked for a handful of different companies software, but really got into the data center industry.
Speaker C:So big buildings that store all the servers, that manage all of the brave new digital world that we live in today and really started uncovering what and how everything really works on the back end and infrastructure.
Speaker C:Most stuff that people view as magic, they just don't get.
Speaker C:They don't understand it.
Speaker C:Like I got hands on experience with and understood intimately.
Speaker C:So much so that I wrote a book on the industry.
Speaker C:It's called the Data Center Colocation Industry Playbook.
Speaker C:It's for the most it's like data centers for dummies.
Speaker C:So if anyone wants to learn how that industry operates, you can find it, it's online.
Speaker C:So that's kind of my background.
Speaker C:And as I learned what's really happening in tech, it became glaringly obvious to me that I no longer support the industry that I was working in because I was feeding ammo and energy to businesses that were diametrically opposed to my values, my faith and the ideals that I've been fighting for my whole life.
Speaker B:Why is it so important for somebody to look into a company like Mark 37 and what is the implications on our data out there right now and how it's how all these big tech are tracking us.
Speaker C:So I'd love to frame the answer to that by asking you both a question.
Speaker C:Okay, so if I gave you a firearm to go fight in a battle and I told you that that firearm had a GPS tracking device on it, a camera and a microphone, and it was constantly on and all of that data and information was literally going to be sent to the enemy that you were about to go fight, would you use that weapon?
Speaker B:Oh, hell no.
Speaker C:Of course not.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Of course not.
Speaker C:And yet what phone do you use every day?
Speaker C:Every day or all day?
Speaker C:Every day?
Speaker B:IPhone.
Speaker C:An iPhone.
Speaker C:How about you?
Speaker A:IPhone.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Who owns iPhone?
Speaker B:Apple.
Speaker C:Apple.
Speaker C:Does Apple see, hear, and know everything that you do on that device?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:How much money does Apple spend every day and.
Speaker C:Or let's just go every year on candidates, on causes, on policies that are diametrically opposed to what we believe in.
Speaker B:I couldn't even put a number.
Speaker C:It's tens of billions with a B.
Speaker C:And I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker C:Tens of billions of dollars.
Speaker C:So you're literally.
Speaker C:You have a tool.
Speaker C:It's a tool and a weapon because it's been weaponized against you.
Speaker C:That is feeding all of your information.
Speaker C:Given the nature of what you guys do, you're feeding all of this data to organizations that don't want you to exist.
Speaker C:Does that make any sense?
Speaker C:Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker C:So let me ask you another question.
Speaker C:If I followed you around every day, Kaylee and John, if I followed you around every day monitoring and tracking everything you were doing and I had camera and I was recording everything and you saw me, you'd be like, bro, back off.
Speaker C:I'm going to get a restraining order out on you or I'm going to take you out.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So why is it not okay for me to do that, but it's okay for Apple, for Google, for Microsoft, Amazon, depending on the products that you have in your house, why is it okay for these companies to do that to you, but it's not okay for anyone else to do that to you?
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:That paradigm doesn't make any sense when you logically think about it.
Speaker C:But because these tools are so convenient, they've been put in everybody's hands and they're just all.
Speaker C:They just work.
Speaker C:Don't question how or why or what's actually happening on the back end.
Speaker C:In fact, we'd rather you not know because the more you know, the more you're like, wait, what?
Speaker C:What am I doing?
Speaker C:Who has access to what?
Speaker C:This thing is recording everything and it's being fed and stored.
Speaker C:That's not okay.
Speaker C:I'm not okay with that right.
Speaker C:So we're here a to wake people up to that reality and then say, hey, there's a better way, there's a better path.
Speaker C:There's options that you have that will respect your privacy.
Speaker C:But I think, you know, if you don't mind, I'm going to keep running here.
Speaker C:Yeah, go for it.
Speaker C:So one of the key concepts is, what is privacy?
Speaker C:Like, what is privacy?
Speaker C:If I told you to define privacy, do you think you'd be able to be like, oh, I know what privacy is?
Speaker A:I would hope so.
Speaker C:What is privacy to you?
Speaker A:Privacy is the ability to only allow access to people who I grant permission to.
Speaker C:Right, exactly.
Speaker C:And when you grant them that permission and via the.
Speaker C:The modality that you want them to gain access to your information, your data, whatever it might be, Right.
Speaker C:That is privacy.
Speaker C:You're one of the few people who have actually answered that question.
Speaker C:Congratulations.
Speaker C:So that.
Speaker C:That is privacy, right?
Speaker C:So we have that fundamental right through the Fourth Amendment for our privacy, and yet we've given up this right to our government.
Speaker C:We literally live in a surveillance state right now.
Speaker C:Everything is being surveilled all the time to the degree that we're literally walking around carrying surveillance tracking devices and everywhere we go, and we've got Alexas and we've got these things in our homes that we're talking to that are monitoring everything happening in our home.
Speaker C:Like, when you really think about it, you're like, this is insane.
Speaker C:What am I doing?
Speaker C:Why am I doing this?
Speaker C:This makes no sense.
Speaker C:And also, like, you're a mom.
Speaker C:Do you have any kids?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I've got three kids, too.
Speaker C:When I grew up, my parents told me, hey, get outside.
Speaker C:Go play.
Speaker C:I don't want to see you until lunchtime or dinner.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:That was me.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm 45 now.
Speaker C:This was back in the 80s and 90s, right?
Speaker C:And you'll say, oh, well, things are much more dangerous now.
Speaker C:And in some cities, they definitely are.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But crime across the board over the last 40 years has actually been going down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yet most parents are anxious.
Speaker C:If they don't know exactly where their kid is at any given moment of time, they freak out.
Speaker C:So we're literally training our kids and our family members into this surveillance state because they know they're being tracked by their parents or their, you know, whoever's taking care of them.
Speaker C:And so when the government comes in or when big tech comes in to start doing the same thing, they're like, oh, it's normal to me, right?
Speaker C:When that's not normal.
Speaker C:That's not normal behavior.
Speaker C:That's not okay behavior.
Speaker C:What also isn't normal behavior, okay behavior, is that we're always on.
Speaker C:We always have these things near us and around us.
Speaker C:I grew up where we had a phone on the wall.
Speaker C:When someone called, you had to go pick up the phone off the wall.
Speaker C:And then we had wireless phones.
Speaker C:That was kind of cool, right?
Speaker C:You didn't have to have the cord that wrapped all the way around your house.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But that was how we existed.
Speaker C:Did the economy slow down and stop?
Speaker C:No, it was still functioning.
Speaker C:Was I a happier person back then or a less happy person?
Speaker C:Well, if you look at the stats and the data, people are way less happy.
Speaker C:They're way more messed up for a lot of reasons.
Speaker C:But I think one of the biggest reasons is that people are always glued to this thing.
Speaker C:But that's by design.
Speaker C:They've spent trillions of dollars, and I'm not exaggerating, trillions of dollars over the last 20 years to create devices that are so addictive that you feel like you can never let them go and you need to always be on them.
Speaker C:Now we have watches people carry around, smart watches.
Speaker C:They're constantly being pinged.
Speaker C:They're constantly.
Speaker C:That's not okay behavior.
Speaker C:We're not being present with each other when we're constantly distracted by these things.
Speaker C:That's a problem, right?
Speaker C:So when.
Speaker C:When I talk to people, they're like, well, what.
Speaker C:What products are you selling?
Speaker C:I'm selling people to simplify their freaking lives, to get this stuff out of their life as much as possible, to get out into nature as much as possible.
Speaker C:Do some grounding.
Speaker C:Don't use these tools.
Speaker C:Just because you can do it from your phone doesn't mean you should.
Speaker C:But because it's so convenient, people are like, well, I should.
Speaker C:I can do my baking from my phone.
Speaker C:I can do all these cool things from my phone.
Speaker C:I can waste countless hours scrolling through garbage all day from my phone.
Speaker C:But no one's like, well, should I do that?
Speaker C:Is that actually healthy for me?
Speaker C:Am I being a good role model for my kids, who I don't want to model that behavior.
Speaker C:And yet you're doing the same thing all day, every day.
Speaker C:It's like the alcoholic parent who's really hoping their kids won't become alcoholics too, even though they demonstrate that behavior all day, every day.
Speaker C:But people don't think about this for what I.
Speaker C:It's like we have this veil that's been dropped over our eyes that prevents us from seeing and knowing the truth, that, that's not okay.
Speaker C:This behavior is not okay.
Speaker C:It's an addiction and it's by design.
Speaker C:So when you ask me what's, you know, what app should be removed or what apps, all of them.
Speaker C:Like, I would love if there was an EMP that went off that took everything else, everything out.
Speaker C:I'm not even kidding.
Speaker C:And I'm in tech.
Speaker C:I've been in tech my whole life.
Speaker C:Because it would force people to get to know their neighbors.
Speaker C:How many of you know your neighbors and have talked to your neighbors?
Speaker C:Probably not very many of your listeners, because everyone's.
Speaker C:Well, I have tons of friends on this thing.
Speaker C:I know a bunch.
Speaker C:I know hundreds of people on this thing.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:Do you know your neighbors?
Speaker C:Because when things get gnarly, which they might, you're going to want to know your neighbors, who you can trust, what they have, what you have, how you can help one another.
Speaker C:And even if nothing gets gnarly, you should still know them and figure out how you can help each other and serve each other.
Speaker C:So I'll shut up now.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's my long winded answer to your question.
Speaker A:So how did you guys come up with the name Mark 37?
Speaker C:So that's straight from scripture, to be honest with you.
Speaker C:So it comes from Mark 37, and it comes from a point where Jesus has healed a cripple, and the Pharisees and the Herodites were trying to come after him because they didn't like the fact that he was basically telling them to their face that you guys are hypocrites and that you guys are wrong about a lot of things that they were attacking him for.
Speaker C:And so it says he goes down to the sea.
Speaker C:And then it lists seven different regions that people left everything to go follow him.
Speaker C:They left their jobs, they left their families.
Speaker C:They didn't know where they were going to sleep, what they were going to eat.
Speaker C:They didn't know any of this.
Speaker C:And I truly believe that we're living in those times.
Speaker C:So me and one of the other people that works with us, we were praying on what we were going to call the business.
Speaker C:And we were in Scripture and we came across Mark three.
Speaker C:Seven.
Speaker C:We were like, we're in those times right now.
Speaker C:And as I was looking at Mark three.
Speaker C:Seven, I was like, that's interesting.
Speaker C:I'm a geek.
Speaker C:So there's something called leet speak for geeks, where numbers represent words.
Speaker C:So you can actually talk to people using numbers versus words.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Or letters.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:So a three is an E. And A seven is a T. So what does M A R K E T spell?
Speaker C:Market.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And for us at the time, we were wanting to build a market for sovereign products, sovereign tech products.
Speaker C:Not just tech, but health and wellness and homeschooling and all kinds of different things.
Speaker C:But we're.
Speaker C:We've focused primarily on the tech stuff because that's really where our core expertise is.
Speaker C:But eventually we want to go there.
Speaker B:So I've got a weird question for you, and I hope this.
Speaker B:So we have these devices on us.
Speaker B:They're in our house now.
Speaker B:They're starting to be in our vehicles.
Speaker B:My new truck the other day asked me if I wanted to send my driving data to the company.
Speaker B:And I was like, heck no, they don't need to know that.
Speaker B:So how do we avoid.
Speaker B:Because tech is everywhere now.
Speaker B:How do we avoid some of that stuff?
Speaker C:Yeah, so great point.
Speaker C:So our cars are now mobile surveillance tracking devices.
Speaker C:They know who's in the car, how many people are in the car.
Speaker C:They know how fast you're driving, if you're wearing your seatbelt or not.
Speaker C:That's also by design.
Speaker C:Because where is all this leading to?
Speaker C:They want a point where if you say something that they don't want you to be saying, they can literally flip a switch and turn off your car.
Speaker C:Like that's where it's headed.
Speaker C:And this is not just conspiracy garbage.
Speaker C:This is literally straight out of the mouths of the people who are controlling and running the shows.
Speaker C:Like the CEOs of the big tech companies that we're talking about, the World Economic Forum members, the United nations members, even our own congressmen and women in D.C. and policymakers in D.C. are talking.
Speaker C:This is where they want things to go, which is communist China.
Speaker C:That is communist China.
Speaker C:That's where it's heading.
Speaker C:So what can you do about it?
Speaker C:Hate to break it to you, man, but don't buy a new car, right?
Speaker C: Buy a car from like my: Speaker C:Why was I so hot on that?
Speaker C: like, hey, we want this Ford: Speaker C:I was like, I'm on it.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Because there's no.
Speaker C:It's not connected to the Internet.
Speaker C:There's no SIM car.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:It's not connected to anything.
Speaker C:It's just a car.
Speaker C:It serves that purpose, which is what it should serve.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:You've probably heard stories of like someone who let their, their son or their daughter drive the car and that person went over speed limit and the insurance company then sends them a Letter saying your rates are going up because you exceeded the speed limit.
Speaker C:And they're like, well, that wasn't me in the car.
Speaker C:It was my son or was my daughter or whatever.
Speaker C:Didn't matter.
Speaker C:Rates went up.
Speaker C:Like, is that okay?
Speaker C:Is that an infringement on your privacy that your car is sending that information and your data to the manufacturer, who's then sharing that with the insurance company?
Speaker C:But when you bought your car, did you read all the documents that you signed when you bought your car?
Speaker B:90% Of them.
Speaker B:I didn't go all the way through.
Speaker C:Well, you missed the section that said that you're signing away all of that data to the manufacturer and that they have the ability to sell.
Speaker C:And even if you go through and say, I'm not okay with this, I'm not okay with this, you then have to follow up and check and then double check.
Speaker C:And almost every year, you have to triple check and quadruple check because they're going to, by default, resign you up for it.
Speaker C:For the same reason with the devices, your Google devices, your Apple devices.
Speaker C:When you get an update on your phone, all kinds of new stuff shows up on your phone.
Speaker C:Or, like, the settings that you have on your phone get defaulted back to something else.
Speaker C:And you have to start, like, how does that happen?
Speaker C:That happens by design.
Speaker C:It's by design or during COVID when the COVID tracking app miraculously just showed up on people's devices and they had no idea that it was on there, no idea that it was actually turned on.
Speaker C:Like, if you want a device that's literally controlled by people that are trying to kill you right now, continue using your Apple and Apple devices and your Google devices, because that's the reality.
Speaker C:I hate to, like, I know that's inflammatory language.
Speaker C:No, that's the truth, folks.
Speaker C:That is the God's honest truth.
Speaker C:We are using tools owned by people who are psychopaths.
Speaker C:And it's the board members, it's the CEOs, it's the people that run these businesses.
Speaker C:It's the hedge funds and the big private equity funds that have the equity stakes in these companies.
Speaker C:When you dig through it, you realize these people are psycho and they want full control and full access.
Speaker C:And that's not.
Speaker C:I'm telling you, that is not hyperbole.
Speaker C:That is reality.
Speaker C:That is what is happening.
Speaker C:So that's why it's so important that people have to start learning these things.
Speaker C:If I gave you a firearm, Kately, and I'm gonna go, I'm gonna keep going if you don't mind.
Speaker C:If I gave you a firearm and you weren't trained on how to use that, and you came to me and said, you know, I'm not gun savvy.
Speaker C:Because most people say I'm not tech savvy.
Speaker C:I can almost guarantee you almost every single one of your listeners, with the exception, small exception, are not tech savvy.
Speaker C:They would say, I'm not tech savvy.
Speaker C:They probably would say, I'm gun savvy, but they're not tech savvy.
Speaker C:But if I came to you and said, I'm not gun savvy, but I want to carry a gun on me that's loaded all day, every day, what would you say to me?
Speaker A:Go get training.
Speaker C:Go get training.
Speaker C:Learn how this, how to safely operate and use this thing.
Speaker C:Now, when you give your kid a phone or when you started using a phone, did someone say, you should really learn how this thing works?
Speaker C:No, you should really learn what a, a router is or what a firewall is or what how WI fi really works or how email even works or how text messaging works or what an operating system is.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:No one said that to you.
Speaker C:You're just like, well, it's so convenient.
Speaker C:I point, I point and I shoot, and it goes boom.
Speaker C:Like, it works.
Speaker C:So I'm.
Speaker C:I want it.
Speaker C:I want to.
Speaker C:I want to carry it, right?
Speaker C:I would say, nope, if that's what you want, maybe I'll give you a Nerf gun.
Speaker C:Like, maybe you should carry that around with you before you feel comfortable with that and you know how to use it safely.
Speaker C:So that's key.
Speaker C:It's fundamentally key for people.
Speaker C:Like, I'm not tech savvy.
Speaker C:Your question about VPNs, people who are not tech savvy, they hear people talking about, well, you need a VPN and you need, you know, this type of firewall.
Speaker C:You need this type of this and all these things to make you private.
Speaker C:You're over.
Speaker C:That's like saying you need a flak jacket and you need a mesh suit, and you need to have camos, and you need to have a bazooka, and you need to have, like, three guns on you at all times.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And I'm like, but I'm not tech savvy, or I'm not gun savvy.
Speaker C:The first thing is not use all that stuff.
Speaker C:It's like, just learn the basics.
Speaker C:So we're here to teach people the basics, but you have to make that decision consciously that I should probably really learn the basics.
Speaker C:I should probably learn what's happening Here, before I continue to use these things the way that I've been using them and take a step backwards before you continue to use things that you're.
Speaker C:You guys are blowing your digital heads off all day, every day, but you don't even know it.
Speaker C:And that's the crazy thing, you don't even know it.
Speaker C:You don't know how or why or what because you don't understand the tool.
Speaker C:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Have I scared your pants off of you guys yet?
Speaker A:So what makes your devices different or better?
Speaker A:Or I know a lot of people are going to say, well, I need X, Y and Z for work or this is a requirement of our lives now.
Speaker A:I don't want to be not present from society.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:How do you combat that?
Speaker A:And what makes you all different?
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:So I'll start by saying this.
Speaker C:We have hundreds of users to include myself, that are business owners that run multiple businesses using all open source applications and operating systems.
Speaker C:And what that means is your device now becomes your device.
Speaker C:So using an operating system like GrapheneOS, which is the operating system that we focus on for phones, for laptops, it's a flavor of Linux, a version of Linux which has been around for 30 years.
Speaker C:But they're super simple to use, easy to use, it's Android based.
Speaker C:So coming from the iPhone world, it'll be a little bit different.
Speaker C:It's like driving a different car.
Speaker C:Where you go to do the thing or turn the thing on is going to be a different place.
Speaker C:But after you use it for a week or two, you'll get it right.
Speaker C:So because it's Android based and Android is actually open source, most people don't understand this.
Speaker C:They think Android is Google.
Speaker C:Android is not Google.
Speaker C:Android is the Android open source project.
Speaker C:It's open source.
Speaker C:So anyone can take that code base and they can build on top of it and they can create something different.
Speaker C:So grapheneOS, which is the most private and secure mobile open source operating system, is based on Android, which means any Android app that's out there, which nearly every single app out there has an Android version.
Speaker C:When you guys develop your app, you're going to have an Android version, I promise you.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:So that will be able to work on the device.
Speaker C:So all of the apps that you use, you can use on the device today.
Speaker C:But the question, as I've been hammering, is not can I use it?
Speaker C:It's should I use it?
Speaker C:Is there another way to get that information and that data that I want that's not going to exploit me?
Speaker C:Because Most applications make money by selling your data.
Speaker C:So when you download that app, do you read the terms of service of the app you just downloaded?
Speaker C:Near?
Speaker C:Nobody does.
Speaker C:We were just talking about contracts earlier, right?
Speaker C:They're a pain in the butt to read through.
Speaker C:And then you got to read every fine print, every tiny little detail, and it's in the very end sections where they hide in there.
Speaker C:And by the way, we've got full access to all the information and data on your device.
Speaker C:So when you download a flashlight app, you're going to get a notification on our devices that say, hey, just so you know, that flashlight app wants access to your contacts, your WI fi, your gps.
Speaker C:And you're like, this is a flashlight.
Speaker C:It doesn't, it doesn't need access to all that.
Speaker C:Even though you clicked yep, I want it, it's now going to flag you and say, hey, just so you know this is happening.
Speaker C:Are you okay with this?
Speaker C:And you can say yep or nope, but now that's on you.
Speaker C:You're accountable, you're responsible.
Speaker C:You can't just be like, oh, well, Apple's going to.
Speaker C:Apple is privacy.
Speaker C:So Apple has my best interests in mind and hate to break it to you, they don't, but you're now responsible.
Speaker C:So if you're going to be responsible and accountable, you have to understand how it works.
Speaker C:You have to know, and it's really not that complicated.
Speaker C:And we have all the training and all the tools and that's what we spent our time doing for the last three plus years, building the tools to make it so simple that grandma, who's not tech savvy, can still switch off of her iPhone onto one of our devices, still do the things that she needs, still talk to her grandkids, still use a mapping application, still use the things without having to be like, well, I have to completely go Mormon or go Amish, not Mormon, but Amish, and leave society.
Speaker C:You don't have to.
Speaker C:You can still live in society, but now have control of your data because that's key.
Speaker C:And it's the same with the laptops.
Speaker C:Same concept applies with laptops.
Speaker C:But now you're accountable, you're responsible.
Speaker C:And people don't like accountability and responsibility.
Speaker C:So it's a lot, it's tough for a lot of people.
Speaker C:And they're like, well, I still want things to work exactly like the iPhone for me to use it.
Speaker C:I'm like, well, the iPhone has spent trillions of dollars to make it so stupid, simple and easy for you.
Speaker C:We're like 98% of the way there.
Speaker C:But it's like, if that last 2% is just too important for you, then really your privacy and security doesn't matter to you.
Speaker C:And you'd rather have the convenience, which is fine if that's where you're at.
Speaker C:And we have tools like the one I gave you that will.
Speaker C:At very least you can mute your phone so your phone is not listening to you all day, every day.
Speaker C:If you're not ready to make that investment and that switch to go to a new platform, a new device, at least you can plug something into your phone that's not going to make it so that your phone is not going to listen to everything happening around you all day, every day.
Speaker C:Like, that's a band Aid product, but it works and it's convenient and it's cheap.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, we were.
Speaker B:We were joking downstairs when he gave me the device about the urinal kicks from Goals and how we both got it for months and months on that.
Speaker B:You brought up a good.
Speaker A:I feel like you need to explain that story.
Speaker C:Urinal kicks.
Speaker B:Anyway, somebody asked to sponsor urinal kicks at Goals to have their logo on it, and they asked how much it is.
Speaker B:And so we had to research.
Speaker B:It did not end well for us.
Speaker A:There are so many ads.
Speaker B:So many ads.
Speaker B:You brought up a point earlier.
Speaker B:I want to dive into it about how addicting our devices is.
Speaker B:And we've seen.
Speaker B:And I don't know if you guys have seen it, but I've seen it is the iPad.
Speaker B:Kids are now adults and they cannot eat their dinner without having something playing in front of them.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is scary.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because it's an addiction.
Speaker C:Like, people need.
Speaker C:We need to wake up as a nation on so many levels.
Speaker C:But one of the key ones is we need to all raise our hands, say, I'm Sean Patrick Terrio and I'm addicted to these devices.
Speaker C:People need to own it and realize that that's the case.
Speaker C:I think we, you know, everything is cyclical in life, and I think we're going to go back to a stage and we're starting to head that way.
Speaker C:I can tell you just by the growth of our business over the last couple years, people are trending this way.
Speaker C:They're starting to realize and wake up.
Speaker C:So, like, flip phones are now cool again.
Speaker C:And I met a young man at the National Prayer Breakfast in February.
Speaker C:He had a flip phone.
Speaker C:I nearly fell out of my chair when I watched him walk by.
Speaker C:I grabbed him and I was like, who are you?
Speaker C:What are you doing?
Speaker C:And he's like, yeah, I Did this because a, I wanted, I saw the influence that these devices had on my family and my sibling and I was not okay with it.
Speaker C:And I just wanted something super simple.
Speaker C:And he's like.
Speaker C:And I actually now use it A, it helps me pick up chicks because girls are like, what's that?
Speaker C:That's different, right?
Speaker C:He's now different.
Speaker C:He's the cool, different kid.
Speaker C:But he also used it to start preaching people the gospel.
Speaker C:Which I was like, dude, you're amazing.
Speaker C:He was amazing.
Speaker C:But more and more people are doing that, which is awesome.
Speaker C:So people have to realize, like, you don't need all the things, you don't need all the apps.
Speaker C:Your phone should be a tool that serves you right.
Speaker C:I'm not the product, this is the product.
Speaker C:It should do what I want it to do, which would be basic phone call functions, maybe some text messaging and maybe make it convenient with, you know, some voice to text applications.
Speaker C:And if I want a browser and all that stuff, maybe I should do that from my laptop in my home versus from my phone all the time.
Speaker C:And people who are at the dinner table or at a restaurant or in line for something waiting, everyone has their phone out.
Speaker C:Versus being like, hey, who are you?
Speaker C:How are you?
Speaker C:I'm Sean.
Speaker C:What brings you here?
Speaker C:Talking to people.
Speaker C:Talking to humans, right?
Speaker C:Remember when we used to do that dude in public meeting random people.
Speaker C:Like, you don't need a dating app to find someone to date.
Speaker C:You just need to like, get your freaking head out of your phone and go talk to people outside around you.
Speaker C:Like, that's how it happened for thousands of years, until the last 15, 20 years when we all went insane.
Speaker C:And I think this isn't the only reason why, but this is a big reason why.
Speaker B:So you're telling me I need to brush up on my T9?
Speaker C:I think you need to get rid of it.
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Speaker A:So I know a lot of people that say, um, you know, I'm not interested in changing my phone.
Speaker A:I have a Faraday bag.
Speaker A:Or, you know, I turn my phone all the way off at night.
Speaker A:Or I set parameters for, you know, I don't ever have my phone in my bedroom.
Speaker A:And we've heard all of these either privacy focused or mental health focus limitations on devices.
Speaker A:Is that a good first step or is it putting a band aid on a gaping wound?
Speaker C:It's definitely a band aid on a gaping wound.
Speaker C:And let me give you another great analogy.
Speaker C:The health and wellness folks, they get this stuff instantly because when someone comes into their office and says, I'm not wounded, well, they don't say, well, take these pills, we'll call you in the morning.
Speaker C:Often they say, you need a lifestyle change.
Speaker C:Lifestyle change.
Speaker C:Change your behavior.
Speaker C:You need exercise and you need to eat healthy.
Speaker C:Eating healthy is not easy for a lot of people.
Speaker C:You may need to change the stores that you go to to buy food, change the brands that you're used to buying, learn what ingredients are in the food that you're buying.
Speaker C:So when you start to learn the ingredients in the food that you're buying at the grocery store, you start to realize, this is poison.
Speaker C:I'm being poisoned.
Speaker C:These preservatives, these dyes, all this stuff in the food that I'm eating is literally killing me and my family and causing the illness that's then making me need to go to the doctor who then feeds me crap that then makes me more sick.
Speaker C:So I need more stuff that they can sell me and feed me, right?
Speaker C:So it's this vicious cycle.
Speaker C:So the people who come in and say, well, I just want the app that's gonna prevent me from doing the bad things that I don't, you know, really want to be doing.
Speaker C:Or I just want the app that's gonna track my kids to make sure my kids aren't doing the things that they're not supposed to be doing.
Speaker C:That doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker C:The problem is people need to change their mindset.
Speaker C:They need to Change their behavior, and they need to change their hearts.
Speaker C:So if you're not focused on that, which we all need to be focused on that, then the rest of this stuff is useless.
Speaker C:It's noise.
Speaker C:It's like saying, well, I'm eating.
Speaker C:You know, I had lunch with someone just the other day, and he was on a diet.
Speaker C:And he said, well, I'm going to get a salad.
Speaker C:And he got a.
Speaker C:What's the salad that has the blue cheese and the bacon and all that stuff on it?
Speaker C:Oh, it's so good.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker C:What is that cheese and, like, all kinds of the tomatoes.
Speaker B:Caesar.
Speaker C:It's not a Caesar.
Speaker C:Someone yell it from downstairs so we can hear.
Speaker C:Anyway, doesn't matter.
Speaker C:People know what I'm talking about.
Speaker C:It's the wedge salad.
Speaker C:Yes, the wedge.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And he loads the thing up.
Speaker C:I'm like, dude, there's more calories on that plate right there than if you just got like a burger patty, a couple burger patties.
Speaker C:So he thought, well, I'm dieting because I'm eating a wedge salad.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, you're not.
Speaker C:You're kidding yourself.
Speaker C:But he doesn't understand.
Speaker C:He didn't understand that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So when people start to understand that they're being digitally poisoned all day, every day, it forces you to stop and say, wait a second, maybe I need to change my behavior.
Speaker C:Maybe I need to rethink how I'm using these tools and why I'm using these tools in the first place.
Speaker C:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:It makes sense.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Are you sure?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was just gonna go as somebody who just recently got off a diet.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, I understand a hundred percent.
Speaker A:So I think that a lot of people are sitting here and.
Speaker A:And you know, we're hearing the buzzwords right now of we're in the AI revolution and, and this is helping productivity and it's going to help scale the workforce and all of these positive things.
Speaker A:I almost betting that I know the answer to this, but do you think that is a net benefit or a net negative?
Speaker C:What specifically?
Speaker A:The AI revolution.
Speaker C:So that is a big thing.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:It involves lots of different things.
Speaker C:So I'm not someone who, even though, to be totally honest, like I said I would want an emp, I don't want.
Speaker C:But if an EMP went off and nuked all of our devices, I don't think that'd be a bad thing for the reasons I already said.
Speaker C:That being said, technology is a tool.
Speaker C:It can be used to serve us or it can be Used to abuse us.
Speaker C:Just like with the advent of gunpowder.
Speaker C:We all remember the samurai.
Speaker C:They were badasses.
Speaker C:They messed people up.
Speaker C:But when gunpowder came out, they said, we're not going to use it because we're going to stick to our traditions of bow and arrow and swords and knives.
Speaker C:What happened to the samurai?
Speaker B:We've seen the movie.
Speaker C:They got annihilated.
Speaker C:Annihilated, unfortunately, because they refused to adopt the new tool that came out and use it for their own purposes, their own defense and.
Speaker C:Or offense, if needed.
Speaker C:So my thoughts on AI is I use AI.
Speaker C:I use it.
Speaker C:It is a tool.
Speaker C:It's a program.
Speaker C:Is it being used and can it be used against me or all day, every day?
Speaker C:It definitely is by the same psychopaths that I was talking about before because they see how they can leverage that tool to enslave people and to control people and to aggregate information and steer people in a certain direction.
Speaker C:But I can use that same tool to be more productive and to create defensive walls and structures and offensive.
Speaker C:So the question is, is the tool bad?
Speaker C:Goes right back to firearms, right?
Speaker C:Is a firearm bad?
Speaker C:Well, no, but do firearms kill people?
Speaker C:Well, no, people kill people, Right?
Speaker C:That tool, in the wrong hands is going to do bad things.
Speaker C:Does that make sense?
Speaker C:So I think that's.
Speaker C:I do training and education on AI.
Speaker C:What is AI?
Speaker C:How is it being used?
Speaker C:Walking people through this concept.
Speaker C:So if you're interested, you can find it on our website.
Speaker C:Mark.
Speaker C:But that is a great question because we're living in very interesting times right now where these tools, these programs are getting smarter and smarter every day, and they can be used and are being used to attack us.
Speaker C:So if you don't get educated and knowledgeable about how you're going to be easily duped, like with the news.
Speaker C:I can't even tell you how many times I either get text messages or phone calls or see stuff on, on different websites where I'm like, this is obviously AI.
Speaker C:But the sad part is I know having talked to thousands of people across the country and over the phone dealing with this stuff, most people are going to be duped by it.
Speaker C:They're not going to realize that this is fake, that this is AI generated.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's getting.
Speaker B:I can, I can see it now, but there's been a few where I'm like, wait a minute, it's getting harder and harder because it's getting smarter and smarter.
Speaker B:People are using it for nefarious reasons.
Speaker C:And that's where the.
Speaker C:What I'm talking about, like we have to start here because if this isn't in the right place, the rest of it gets so chaotic.
Speaker C:You don't.
Speaker C:You're not able to discern the truth when you're distracted by all the noise.
Speaker C:You have to start with yourself and your relationship with your creator.
Speaker C:You have to start there because then your creator is going to help you discern what the truth is and what it's not.
Speaker C:And you're going to be less distracted by what's happening all day, every day.
Speaker C:And you're going to be able to focus on the relationships.
Speaker C:When all the crap comes out and all the AI stuff pushes out, you'll be like, I.
Speaker C:Like, I don't care anymore.
Speaker C:And I've reached a point in my life where I don't even listen to the noise anymore.
Speaker C:Every now and again I'll see a headline hit and I'm like, that's just more political theater.
Speaker C:It's more distraction, it's more noise.
Speaker C:Trying to prevent people from spending time with, getting to know themselves and their relationship with their.
Speaker C:Their creator.
Speaker B:You got anything else?
Speaker B:I am being educated, that's all.
Speaker B:I've spent this whole episode listening, going, wow, I'm learning so much.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna go go back to the.
Speaker A:The real practical questions that I'm sure if we don't ask, they'll end up in a comment section.
Speaker A:So, number one, does your devices go on any network?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:So they're carrier agnostic, which means that they'll work with any carrier.
Speaker C:So whether it's Verizon, AT&T T Mobile, you have to get educated about what carrier you're using.
Speaker C:We like carriers that are independent, privately owned, and that don't sell your data and your information to the big three.
Speaker C:Because AT&T T Mobile and Verizon, which are the only three major carriers in the United States, most people don't understand that Patriot Mobile or Pure Talk or Cricket or Mint or all these companies, they're all resellers of those big three.
Speaker C:But I'd rather work with a reseller who's not going to sell my information to those guys.
Speaker C:So if you get a new account with PureTalk or Patriot Mobile or some of these companies, they don't go and say, sean Patrick Theriault is now a new user tied to this phone number who lives at this address with this email account.
Speaker C:They simply say, we're now managing this number on your network.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:So that's a smarter way to go about making that decision.
Speaker C:But you can only understand that once you start learning how does this stuff work.
Speaker C:So, yes.
Speaker C:So you can take literally the SIM card out of your current phone, your current iPhone, and put it into one of the new devices, and it will work.
Speaker C:You have to tell Apple.
Speaker C:You guys have to tell Apple.
Speaker C:And if you're a Google Android user, you have to tell Google, hey, lose my number.
Speaker C:Because even though you move that SIM card, which identifies your plan with the carrier, to the device, to a new device, they're still going to route all of your phone calls and text messages to your old device.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Because all of your text messages and all of your phone calls are routing through their servers.
Speaker C:So until you tell Apple and Google, please stop routing all my stuff through your servers, they're going to continue to do so.
Speaker C:Which most people don't know that they think, well, I work with Verizon.
Speaker C:Everything clears through Verizon.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:Hate to break it to you.
Speaker C:It clears through Apple or Google.
Speaker C:It clears through their servers.
Speaker C:Does it hit their network?
Speaker C:Yes, it does.
Speaker C:But it's also clearing through all of their infrastructure that allows them to control the user experience and makes it so that you can do FaceTime, like super simple and easy and send super large files back and forth with each other.
Speaker C:So you have to find different ways to go about sending those files and sharing that information in a more private way.
Speaker C:And that's where we have the tools and the training and education to help coach people through how to do that.
Speaker A:The second question is that I'm sure people are going to ask if they choose to switch to your device, but they have to check in with their email or they travel a lot for work and they need apps like Lyft or Uber or those sorts of things.
Speaker A:Are those compatible on your device?
Speaker C:Yes, they are compatible.
Speaker C:But again, education piece.
Speaker C:A lot of those applications leverage something called Google Play Services.
Speaker C:Even if they're on the iPhone, they still use something called Google Play Services.
Speaker C:And Google is very smart.
Speaker C:They created code that makes it super easy for app developers to monitor and manage and track what their users are doing on their app.
Speaker C:And in return, so Google says, we'll give you this free code that you can use, but in return, all that data is going to route through us first before it gets to you.
Speaker C:Most developers are like, I don't care, whatever, right?
Speaker C:So you have to install something called sandbox.
Speaker C:Google play services, which GrapheneOS is a organization, has created these tools that make it so that you can still use Uber or Lyft that requires Google Play Services, but It's only going to give Google the very minutiae little data that it needs for that app versus it giving you everything else on your device.
Speaker C:So it's this concept of sandboxing where nothing on your device, whether it's your camera, your GPS or an application or your phone calls, none of that can talk to anything else on your device without you giving it permission to do so.
Speaker C:But then you're accountable, you're responsible.
Speaker C:So yes, I can install Google Maps on here if I want and give Google permission to know my gps.
Speaker C:But then why am I getting a de Googled device just to then give Google access to that information?
Speaker C:It doesn't make sense.
Speaker C:So you say, well then what's an alternative?
Speaker C:Well, there's literally half a dozen different mapping applications that do nearly everything that Google Maps does and Waze does that you can use on the device.
Speaker C:Is it 100% one to one compatible?
Speaker C:No, but it's like 98, 99% compatible.
Speaker C:You might have to spend an additional 15 seconds, 20 seconds doing something on that device.
Speaker C:But for me, that's worth it because I know that I have my privacy.
Speaker C:But for some people, like, oh, that's too much.
Speaker C:I'm like, well then your privacy really doesn't matter to you if spending an additional 15, 20 seconds is too much for you to handle.
Speaker C:Like, go back into the matrix.
Speaker C:Like take, go take that blue pill, right?
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:Eat that blue pill.
Speaker A:And then finally, I think the last normal question that's a little outside of the weeds that she got into is if you were to suggest the first device to replace, what would it be?
Speaker C:So it depends on the person.
Speaker C:That's a great question.
Speaker C:And we get asked this every day, depends on the person.
Speaker C:I would start with the device.
Speaker C:That would be the least impactful in your life.
Speaker C:So if you like, use your laptop, but it's not critical to you, start there because then you can get that laptop, give it access to the Internet, and you can just set it up and make sure you know how to use it before you do the full migration over.
Speaker C:And it's the same thing with the phone because these are just mini computers.
Speaker C:That's all this is.
Speaker C:If this has access to the Internet, I can do everything.
Speaker C:I can use all the apps.
Speaker C:The only thing I can't do is take phone calls and get text messages.
Speaker C:So when people get the device, we highly recommend that they set it up first, purge it of all the applications that they don't want, that they don't need, because we preload it with a bunch to just get people started so they don't have to say, well, what's the best this, what's the best that?
Speaker C:What's the safest thing for me to use to accomplish X, Y and Z?
Speaker C:It's already preloaded, but purge all the stuff you don't need, make sure you're familiar with how to use it.
Speaker C:And then once you are, that last step is moving that SIM card over and getting your phone calls and your text messages over to that device.
Speaker A:All right, I do have a couple last questions, even though I said that it was my last one.
Speaker A:But I'm trying to think from a listener standpoint.
Speaker A:People are going to want to know how much do these devices cost?
Speaker C:So the phones on the low end are around $400.
Speaker C:And on the higher end, sky's the limit.
Speaker C: yte, it's gonna cost you like: Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:So but 400 is on the low end, which is super attainable for most people.
Speaker C:For the laptops, the low end is around high 500s, low 600s, and then also high, you know, high end sky's the limit, depending on how sexy of a laptop you want.
Speaker C:But the cool thing is for your listeners, if you go to mark37.com go so mark37.com Goa you'll get a 5% discount and a percentage of every sale is going to come back to you guys.
Speaker C:So that's mark37.com forward/go goa.
Speaker C:And that's not, you know, limited time offer.
Speaker C:It's going to remain up and active for, you know, for as long as you guys are around.
Speaker A:Hopefully at least another 50 years.
Speaker B:Yeah, at least.
Speaker B:Fingers crossed.
Speaker B:All right, well, we're getting the wrap up sign.
Speaker B:So before we go first, I have to.
Speaker B:First off, thank you for being on.
Speaker B:I learned a ton.
Speaker B:This is the one interview that I actually didn't have the interview.
Speaker B:I got to just listen and educate myself.
Speaker B:Next we have our gift for our guest from Palmetto State Armory.
Speaker B:Sweet AAC ammo.
Speaker B:So you'll be receiving that after the show.
Speaker B:Again, thank you Palmetto State Armory and AAC for the gift for our guests.
Speaker B:Go ahead and shout out where people can find you and all that stuff.
Speaker C:Again, mark37.com goa you'll get that 5% off when you go to the website.
Speaker C:Go to our resources section.
Speaker C:You'll be able to learn a ton.
Speaker C:We have getting started guides.
Speaker C:We have made this process so simple, so easy.
Speaker C:We have a whole roadmap that you can download and follow.
Speaker C:We're turning it into an interactive roadmap so you can go step by step through the process.
Speaker C:Just check off all the things that you need to do.
Speaker C:A lot of stuff you can do before you even have to make the decision to switch devices, right?
Speaker C:Like, so use one of those mic lock things that I've talked about.
Speaker C:Change the browser you're using to one that's going to respect your privacy and not track everything you're doing when you're searching online.
Speaker C:Like, there's certain things you can do.
Speaker C:We walk you through all that.
Speaker C:But the coolest thing that I recommend people do that we have is we do free 15 to 30 minute digital privacy consultations.
Speaker C:So it'd be me talking with you guys or someone on my team talking with whoever about where are you at, what are you trying to accomplish and how to get there.
Speaker C:So we do that for free.
Speaker C:And that's what, you know, Scott on my team who was just up here earlier, he spends almost all day on these calls and then I jump in and we have other people on our team who jump in and have these calls too, talking with people, just walking them through what options they have and, and what steps they can take.
Speaker A:Well, thank you for tuning into this week's episode of the State of the Second podcast.
Speaker A:Uh, please be sure to like share, subscribe, leave a 5 star review on all podcasting platforms.
Speaker A: everyone coming up for Goals: Speaker A:And be sure to pre register, grab your hotels, get booked in advance.
Speaker A:I promise you it is an event you will not want to miss and we will see you next week.
Speaker B:See you guys later.
