In the podcast episode "New Year Job Search Tips," Carol Ventresca and Brett Johnson, along with expert guests Marilyn Bury-Rice, Sharon Hamersley, Rebecca Heslep, Jill Kulman, Darlene Ziebell, and Kelly Fuller, provide valuable insights and tips for job seekers. The episode focuses on various essential aspects of the job search process, from creating a strong resume to utilizing effective networking strategies.

The episode emphasizes the importance of being mindful of social media presence, particularly during politically charged times. The hosts discuss an anecdote where a recruiter warned students about the significance of their social media profiles and the potential impact on future opportunities. This serves as a caution to job seekers about carefully considering their social media activity and its potential long-term consequences.

Furthermore, the significance of networking and informational interviews is highlighted as essential for job seekers. The hosts stress the importance of believing in oneself and presenting confidence during the job search and interview process. Guest Kelly Fuller provides three key tips for job seekers, which include applying for jobs even if they don't meet all the requirements, utilizing LinkedIn for networking, and conducting thorough research on companies they want to work for.

As the episode progresses, Marilyn Bury-Rice shares valuable tips for job seekers over 50, emphasizing the importance of assessing accomplishments and skills, being strategic in job applications, and finding confidence in their experience. This provides valuable insights for older job seekers, highlighting unique considerations for this demographic.

The importance of a targeted job search strategy is emphasized throughout the episode, with a focus on utilizing the resume strategically for job searches and networking. Sharon Hamersley advises against applying to jobs without a strategy to avoid frustration and burnout, emphasizing the significance of having a clear plan before embarking on the job search process.

The episode also delves into the role of resumes in the job search process. Rebecca Heslep highlights the importance of attention to detail in resume writing, including spelling and grammar, organizing content chronologically, and tailoring the resume to the specific job applied for. Additionally, the hosts discuss the significance of having others review resumes for accuracy and making a good first impression, as well as the use of tools like Grammarly for assistance.

Jill Kulman provides valuable advice, emphasizing the importance of updating resumes and utilizing the process sign for various steps in the job search strategy. Furthermore, Darlene Ziebell advises against posting inappropriate material on social media, sending generic cover letters, and solely relying on online job searches, highlighting the significance of networking and tailored cover letters for job applications.

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We are looking forward our way from Studios c in the 5 one one Studios that's in the Bridge District, just of downtown Columbus, Ohio. Hi. This is Brett. We have a special podcast episode for you today. We often discuss job opportunities, the intricacies of job searching and how to reach a successful placement, we thought we'd start 2024 with some positive tips for you, our audience. Whether you're looking for a job or know someone who is, we've got tips from several highly regarded career coaches and human resource professionals. South. We asked several HR specialists a simple question, what are the top tips you would tell job applicants they should or should not do in the employment search.

Well, let's get started with our tips for job searchers from our expert guests.

Hey, Brett. This is going to be such a fun opportunity to hear from some of our friends who are local experts in human resources. And our 1st expert guest is Carol Burry Rice. Marilyn is currently the director of the LOTA office of alumni career management for the Ohio State University's Alumni Association. They serve thousands of OSU graduates. South. Maryland has provided career services at other higher ed institutions, including Notre Dame, Hanover College, and Ohio Wesleyan. She has also worked in career management and career consulting in private industry as well as nonprofit programming.

Marylin is an alum of Purdue University with license and certifications from the Council For the Advancement and Support of Education, that's CASE, And career coaching from the National Association of Colleges and Employers, that's NACE. Those are 2 really large organizations That's certified career, individuals, and she's also a certified trainer. Marilyn starts us off with a really important Concept. In order to be successful as a job seeker, we have to bust the myth that we are not a great job candidate. Let's hear her tips to overcoming barriers for older candidates.

Today I'm going to talk about 3 tips Job seekers should do in their employment search. Now in my role I work with many 50 plus job seekers And Way all have one thing in common. Way ask Our, will an employer take us seriously Or are some of those rumors that I hear really true in terms of ageism And whether or not I will be even chosen for an interview. So let's let's talk about tips that can help you overcome Some of what we career coaches call myths in the job market. Now you're not imagining it. Ageism does exist unfortunately But here's how you can combat that. 1st, first tip, assess your accomplishments. You are an experienced, Valuable job seeker and professional.

So you so take a look At your years of valuable work experience and assess your most important accomplishments. What are you most proud of? That's the 1st step. Secondly, as you look at those accomplishments, what skills did you develop throughout the years at the various places of employment as a result, particularly as a result of those accomplishments. The third tip Take a look at those skills. Which of those skills can be transferred to your next role or to some of the positions for Which you are applying. And in the next tip, tip number 4, be Strategic about this. Now you're going to gather all that information that you just took some time to assess and put it toward your current job search. Now those of us who are 50 plus have a lot of experience.

We've developed a lot of skills and we have a lot of accomplishments. But please note that you need to be strategic in that. You have to talk about those in a way that the employer is interested. So each job that you apply for has to be crafted. Your branding, your cover letter, your resume, Any kind of information interviewing. And then finally the interview has to be crafted toward what that employer needs. So rather than giving your whole autobiography or every accomplishment, narrow it down to what each of those employers are interested in and have conversations about those. And finally the 5th tip Is to find confidence in what you just did.

When you look at your accomplishments that you've Gained over the years when you look at the skills that you've developed as a result, when you have thought about which of those skills Transfer to other industries or other organizations and when you have found a way to be strategic, when you plan it out, You will feel so much more confident. And so I say that as the 5th tip. Take that confidence into the interview. I guarantee you it will dispel any myth that an employer has about a mature job seeker. Thanks very much for letting me join you today in this podcast, and I wish you the best of luck.

Brett, I think one of the first things that Marilyn talked about And really one of the most important that I've had to work with with clients is that we really need to focus on accomplishments. South Oftentimes, people put together a resume and it's just a list of tasks, filing paper, Data input without really giving an employer the the notion of what they have accomplished. South. An employer wants to know not just that you're going to do the job, but that you are gonna make their organization a better place, more efficient, More effective. Really, make sure that they are creating an an organization that is going to Get things done. If you can tell an employer what you have accomplished, the value you have added to other Organizations, they're gonna be much more likely to read that resume.

Right. It kinda reminds me of the, south. But when you interview for a sales position and you're asked, okay, sell me this pen. And and it's that Right. Okay, you're not really selling sell pen. You're selling what the pen can do for you. So what is the accomplishment or accomplishments that that pen has to offer those that buy the pen? So Exactly. It's that end result.

What did you do? What what what actually helped the job or that that that that the the, the employer you were with, how did they move forward with what you offered them and what you did for them during your time?

Right. And and the the trick too is that if you have south. Created that resume with accomplishments. You've already done the work you need to do to be an effective interviewee. You'll know what you wanna talk about with the employer when they ask you those questions. Sell me this pen. You're gonna be able to go in and say, Oh, in my previous job, I sold this widget. And this is the way we made that widget not only south A bigger item, a more important item, increasing sales, but found how to really pinpoint the audience, Target the the the sales to the right people.

It it is a game changer.

Exactly. Yeah. South. Our next guest is Sharon Hamersley. Sharon's been on, been our guide to job seeking for many years, many episodes. As the resume coach, Sharon has been on Looking forward our way several times, as I mentioned, providing incredible insight and valuable tips to job seekers after more than 20 years as an academic and career advisor at the Ohio State University, Sharon began work in other industries including the private sector, a hospital systems and nonprofits where she created employee training and education programs. Sharon's an entrepreneur supporting job seekers around the country as the resume coach, the LinkedIn coach, and Keys To Performance. Sharon continues to assist job seekers of any age to reach their career goals through resume reviews, career development coaching, interview preparation, and social media networking, supporting clients as they overcome the barriers which are blocking their success.

Sharon holds a bachelor's and master's from the Ohio State University, and she brings a a very important point to our discussion, one that could make your search successful or without it, you could be on a path sound of frustration. Let's listen.

My top tip for job seekers for 2024 is develop a job search strategy south Before you start looking for a job, people who just start applying to jobs without any strategy are likely to experience Frustration and burnout. And this is not a great way to start your job search.

You know, Brett, it it Sounds like it's really simple. Come up with a job search strategy. It's really not simple. It's It can be pretty complicated and you really might need some help with it. And, again, we are going to have resources on this podcast on the web Page of the podcast to help you, find people who can help you, like Sharon or nonprofit organizations, But also to give you some insight as to Way, what are the pieces of the strategy. Here's the difference. You can send out a 100 resumes a week in a shotgun approach or and and get nowhere, Or you can really target the employers you wanted to work for, the kind of job that you want, and Have a much more success with a lot less work. The one thing that you never say to an employer is, I'll do any job.

I'll do anything. Just hire me. Have a strategy, know what you want, and be able to articulate that, south. And the employer is going to really listen and Way want to see you on their team.

Alright. And it could be a strategy too. I I when I hear her say this is that a strategy on how you spend your time looking for a job too. Of that, just because you have 24 hours 7 days a week, you're let's just say you're completely unemployed. Nothing's going on. It doesn't mean that you need to spend every waking moment looking for a job. Be efficient in how you look, where you Looking, but you also need that time for downtime to to, you know, regenerate, rethink how you're presenting, what you're Looking. So give yourself some grace of time as well.

Oh, absolutely. You can't you'll you'll drive yourself crazy if you're doing it 247. South. But the other part of that downtime also is a little additional research, finding employers locally that you're looking to work for south And and having a better target targeted group to pursue, and then that also means networking, Finding people who can help you learn more about those organizations and maybe get in for an interview to those organizations. So, yeah, you wanna mix it up. You wanna talk to people. You want to have coffee with folks and and have that strategy so that, Again, it's not a 100 resumes a week that you're going to be successful. It's the strategy and the targeting that's gonna really get you to the job that you really want.

Brett, our next expert guest is Rebecca Heslep. She's making her inaugural guest spot with Looking Forward Our Way, and she's gonna provide us with her insights on resumes. Rebecca is the human resources director for Innosource, which is a leading human resource staffing and data agency based here in Central Ohio. During her nearly 20 years of employment within INOsOURCE, Rebecca has worn many hats Looking with the organization. Initially working as a recruiter, Rebecca interviewed clients, reviewed resumes, and supported the applicant tracking system. Moving into senior management roles, Rebecca has honed her talent and skills in training and development, onboarding, Recruiting and employee relations, all critical to creating a strong organizational culture and solid south. Human resources benefits program. Rebecca has a master's in industrial and labor relations from West Virginia University.

Her bachelor's is also from WVU in business administration.

Now when it comes to drafting or updating your resume, I can't stress enough the importance of attention attention to detail, especially when it comes to spelling and grammar. A resume is likely the first impression you'll make on a recruiter or hiring manager, and it must be error free. Be sure to spell check as well as grammar check your resume. Another good idea is to have someone proofread it. They may notice something that you have overlooked. Next is the format. You wanna make sure your resume is organized and that it is easy to read and get an idea of your experience. Chronologically list your work history, including company name, positions held, and dates of employment, And clearly and concisely indicate your responsibilities and, more importantly, your achievements in your past positions.

I recommend bulleted lists Forward this, not long paragraphs. Also, be sure that your contact information is easy to find. You want it to be easy for a recruiter to reach out to 3rd, consider an objective statement or summary. Including an objective statement at the beginning of your resume can be a great way to highlight your experience, Skills and career goals. The statement should also be clear and concise and probably only 1 or 2 sentences long. Another good tip is to tailor this statement to the position you are applying for. Be sure to emphasize the specific skills you possess that make you a strong candidate for the position. For example, if you are applying for an accountant role, be sure to emphasize your finance experience and analytical skills.

And when it comes Studios applies not only to the objective statement, but also to your entire resume. You'll want to tailor your resume to the job description of the position you're applying south Be sure to review the job description and think about the experience that you have that is most directly relevant to the position that you're seeking. As a final thought, when it comes to the length of your resume, 2 pages is not a deal breaker. It's fine to have more than a 1 page resume. Just south sure that all included content is relevant. I hope those suggestions are helpful. Thank you for listening.

We were just talking about The importance of resumes showing accomplishments as opposed to a list of tasks. South. What Rebecca is doing is giving us more detail on what those resumes should look like. And over and above everything, they have to be perfect. You have to have correct spelling, grammar, formatting, and you need additional eyes to do that. South. You can't do it alone. You have to have other people look at it.

It's really important that you make a good first impression. You can't make A bad first impression and then try to fix it. It's not gonna work. Right. So you and you only get one chance to make that good first impression. Right. So you really have to be careful.

And and now that we have the we also have the software that can at least have it be another pair of eyes for you, like, you you know, putting in Grammarly. And at least that 1st run through kinda going, oh, that's misspelled, that's misspelled. But also take the take the like you said, other pairs of eyes that just not for spelling, but also kinda looking, does that resume make sense? Am I missing something? You know me as well too. So look at it as not just a spelling or grammatical, content look look Our. It's that it's what's in it too. Out of that Johnson, that you ask or people that you're asking to take a look at that resume.

Right. Oftentimes, I would look at resumes of clients south. And I would Way, you have said this on your resume. What does that mean? If they can't answer that question, south Either somebody else wrote the resume for them and they can't defend it in an interview with an employer or they just Put together gobbledygook. Those are the kinds of things you really do need to make sure that you understand exactly what you've put in that resume. And it's very easy to put in, t h e r e instead of t h e I r. It's so easy to make those mistakes. South So you really have to be careful.

Rebecca's given us some great tips.

Well, our next expert is Jill Kulman. She is the chief administrative officer at FST Logistics. She plays a major role in creating the culture for not only her team, but the entire organization. FST Logistics is an employee owned business based in Columbus, Ohio. Jill directs the human resources function of FST, devising strategies and policies to meet the organization's objectives and goals. The functions guided by her and her team include recruitment, driver training and safety and employee benefit plans. Other areas of expertise for Jill include legal and insurance requirements south and ESOP administration, as well as in-depth work on logistics recruiting and the recruiting retention of large scale call center staffing. She's got her work cut out for it.

Jill holds a bachelor's from Ohio Ohio University and an MBA from the University of Phoenix. Jill's message to job seekers today is to take another look at your resume and while updating it, utilizing that process sign for the various steps in your job search. Jill provides great details for your job search strategy.

First thing you should do is revise your resume. South Focus on accomplishments instead of tasks. If you're an insurance salesman, everyone knows what you do. How well do you do it? Were you top 10% in the company? South. Did you win any awards? Were you 125% of quota? Under each position you have held, the first 3 bullet points should be accomplishments versus responsibilities. Number 2, be active on LinkedIn. Make sure your profile is updated. Post your own content to show that you are knowledgeable in your area of expertise.

South. Try to do more individual content versus reposting content and let a bit of your personality shine on LinkedIn, but caution, keep it professional. Way you put on Facebook or Instagram is not what you should put on LinkedIn, and seek out companies that you wanna work for and comment on their posts. This is a great way to start dialogue with both hiring managers, as well as human resources. Number 3, know yourself and identify the types of roles and companies that you will excel in. Be strategic about where you apply and know how you will fit into the role and organization, Way well as how you're going to drive value for both the department and the company, and also be able to articulate this in an interview. Number 4, prepare for your interview big time. Research the position, research the company, and research the industry.

South. What trends are happening in the industry? What goals does the company have and how can you help them achieve it? And have questions at the end of the interview that show you have done your research and you are thinking strategically about the company. Here's an example. I see you have 3% year over year growth in the last 5 years. South Are you looking to diversify your product offering in order to capture additional market share? And finally, network, network, network. Put yourself out there. South. Go to networking events, grab business cards, take people out to coffee, be inquisitive, make yourself known to as many people as you can.

You never know who can help you in your career search.

Jill has brought some incredible detail to what we've already talked about. We've already mentioned that resumes have to be perfect. They have to be accomplishments, not a list of tasks. What she is showing is all of those bits and pieces that Sharon mentioned about doing a strategic plan of your job search utilize that resume Forward not just the document that it is But to help you hone in on the industries you wanna work in, the employers you wanna work Forward, Utilize that information when you're going into LinkedIn. Join your research and you're comparing what you're finding on LinkedIn and what you're really interested in. Sometimes we get into LinkedIn and it can be so much information. We lose track of what the direction. We run ourselves into Various holes down a lot of different paths.

We lose track of what we're really trying to do. And finally too, that notion of That resume is gonna be critical for you to do your networking. You can reach out to people. And if you can provide them With a a great resume, they're going to know what it is you're looking for. They're gonna be better able to help you in a networking session And then more likely to be willing to network with you because they have an idea of what you need. If you just go again and say, I wanna do anything, They're not gonna put the time into that.

Right. Listening to her response, I'll I'll bring a real life situation to this. Our Our daughter just, left one state, went across the country, now living Johnson on the other side of the country, basically. And I'm listening to this. I'm thinking, you know what? She is is not in any better shape than an older adult in these in these areas. Everybody at every stage of their looking for a job has to encounter all these things and and and Mhmm. Master them. So don't think as a 55, 60, 65 year old person that a 25 year old person has an advantage over you in these areas, not a bit.

Not a bit. They have to struggle with every bit of these as well too with the networking of of honing in their resume, changing this, you know, working against every a disadvantage a younger person has as an older advantage of of all the software that's out there in regards to putting your resume in. Every it it's almost a level playing field to a certain degree.

Mhmm

With every age group trying to find a job, so don't think just because of your age south and maybe not being in the job market for 10 years that it's a it's a pure disadvantage, I think it all equals out.

It it really does, and that's the the mistake people make, and they could be 40, 50, or 60. They haven't been in the job market for a while. They either don't know what to do or don't wanna do all the work of finding another job. But as you said, you can create a A a level playing field for yourself by doing the the steps that are necessary. Yes. You may just walk into the local Home Depot And fill out the online application right there at the customer service counter and get a job. Is that what you want to do? If it is, Great. If it's not, let's step back a little bit, do the steps that need to be done, and then move forward with your job search.

Let's hear some tips on what to not do in a job search. Darlene Ziebel is an experienced strategist and consultant specializing in supporting businesses through strategic growth planning. She's a veteran entrepreneur, Board director, CEO, and management consultant. She uses her enterprise wide level of experience as a Fortune 100 management consultant and her entrepreneurship to provide a unique blend of business talent to support her clients. Darlene has also owned several private companies ranging from business consulting in the IT realm to ownership of a travel leisure entity. She's the founder and CEO of the Center For Women Business Owners, which provides women business owners with the education, Motivation and networking needed to sustain and grow their companies. Darlene holds a bachelor's south from Northeastern Illinois University and an MBA from the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University. Here are Darlene's tips on common mistakes we make in a job search.

The first tip is make sure you don't post Inappropriate material on social media. Engaging in unprofessional discussions or having a negative online presence can really harm your professional image. Many employers check your social media profiles as part of their hiring process, So you wanna maintain a positive and professional online presence, and that includes the images that you post Because this is going to be you know, this is they're gonna consider you portraying, your new employer, and that's how you're gonna represent them. Another thing that you don't want to do is send out generic cover letters. Generic cover letters without Tailoring them to the specific job or the industry that you're going in. It just gives them the impression that you're generally not interested south. In the Pacific, you know, specific position. So tailoring your cover letter shows that you've done your research, And you're really enthusiastic about the opportunity.

Otherwise, you're just going to look like one of the other hundreds of applications that they're going to receive, Especially today with online job postings, which gives me to tip number 3. You don't you do not wanna ignore Live networking opportunities. You cannot solely rely solely rely on online searches. Networking is crucial in job searching because that's where you're going to connect with professionals in your specific industry. You don't wanna limit yourself to valuable job leads or potential referrals. A lot of positions are, you know, accepted through some type of referral system. When I was president of a company hiring a 150 people, south The applications we looked at first were the ones that were referred to us by the people who were already working in our company Because we took that as something that these people already checked out the applicant and that they would be a good fit for my firm. So I hope these, tips help you, and good luck in your job search.

I love Darlene's idea or a suggestion, about social media. We are really accustomed to seeing and posting things on social media, not really thinking about the end result years down the road. And I I I think as our generation has matured into social media, probably a little bit better about it, maybe. But but at the same time, it's easy to hit post on something that you it later on, you're kinda going, why did I post that picture. You you you just didn't think about it. It's almost that you know, maybe at the moment, don't post it, give it a day, and think about, should I have posted that picture from from this party, from this or that. You just you'd never know. You never know.

Don't hit that arrow until you're really sure.

Yeah. Exactly. Or maybe take a look at that picture, other for things around you in that picture. Way not be just you, but what's around you in that picture or a post that you make. As we enter into a very volatile a political year, you know, with elections, this is another time to be thinking to think about what you do post. I'm not saying not to speak your mind. You sure do, but think about what it can do to you down the road. Right.

And I and I hate that situation that we have to look at that. I really do, because Way to be able to speak our minds and and and and give thoughts to what we are concerned about and and, wanna make sure that we we take a stand if if there's something we wanna take stand on, but, it can backfire.

I I have a a funny story. I when I was many, many, many years ago when social media was 1st coming out, the students were going out and being pretty crazy on on what they were posting. We had a huge event with a an Recruiter from one of the very large government entities, and he was looking Forward, students to do internships and to be hired to do major research projects. So the students were really excited and all. South He mentioned. He goes, yeah. Be careful what you put out on Facebook. And this young man goes puts his hand up, and he goes, south I don't have you as my friend.

You're not gonna see my page. Then this recruiter just looked at him and he goes, south I'm from the blank blank blank. Do you really think we don't see what's out there? And and it doesn't matter whether it's a government entity or a large employer. South. There are ways to find what you've posted. So don't think you can hide behind your keyboard. It's out there, and people are gonna see it. So you have to be careful.

South. Yeah. And and I'm sure, you know, our listeners over episodes, that are specific to employment opportunities and job search and such like that are just sick of hearing us talk about networking opportunities and to to network. And I know that. I I, you know, and but and it's maybe one of the hardest things to do, south, but it is also one of the easiest things to accomplish once you get over those hurdles.

Right. And, you know, I it south I always tell folks that I'm an introvert, but I'm a great networker because I am inherently nosy. South So I like to ask people questions. Every young person I see in every grocery store, I'm like, where do you go to school? Are you studying? You know, all of those kinds of things. What do you wanna be? Where are you applying for jobs? And it's it's that's natural for me, but it's Really, really hard to put yourself out there. If you have done your homework, done all the strategic planning, Have a great resume. Practice your interview skills with other people. Networking is really not that hard.

It's actually easier Because you aren't in a sit a formal situation of somebody asking you specific employment questions. It's just time to, like, find out what's going on. Networking is just so important, and informational interviewing, which not enough People do is just critical and so wonderful in getting information. You know, it's Asking someone who is in maybe in the job you want or a job with a company you wanna work for, And all you're trying to do is get information. You're not applying for a job. You're getting information. People love to talk about their job, especially if they like the company and like the job, But it's it's really a way to fortify the information and research you've done And get the facts. You want the facts.

So informational interviewing is a form of networking and can be really critical. Brett, our final guest is Kelly Fuller, vice president talent and workforce development for the Columbus Chamber. Our audience has heard Kelly in the past giving our Looking forward our way audience an annual review of the workforce trends that they could expect during the new year. Prior to her work at the Columbus Chamber, Kelly was the Eastland Fairfield Career and Technical south as a coordinator of adult workforce development programs. Her previous experiences include positions in human resources, Coordinating health care tracks as a senior trainer in private industry, also training in sales management positions south and with the chambers of commerce in Southern Ohio. Kelly attended Miami University and holds a bachelor's from Mount Vernon Nazarene University. In this section of our episode today, Kelly has pulled together 3 really important reminders For job seekers of any age and any level of experience.

1, when you see a job posting south And you're evaluating all the different skill sets that are necessary for that job. Give yourself permission even if you can't do all the things that are listed. South There's a good chance that the employer has placed a laundry list or a wish list out, not a necessary list. But go ahead and give yourself permission to apply for things even if you don't think that you meet all the requirements. And I'm speaking specifically to, women in in the audience who typically, discount themselves when they're not able to do a 100% of what's listed. So the 2nd tip I would offer is use LinkedIn. You know, find find your friends, your network, your family members, your colleagues, Forward Former colleagues that are employed at different businesses or in different industries and really leverage those relationships. They'll be able to tell you a lot about the company that you're researching.

And that brings me to the 3rd and final. Really do some real in time research on the companies that you would like to work for. Find out what's going on in their industry, what their growth plans are. Really read beyond just the newspaper and the headlines that you see on social media. Really dig into some industry type of, publications as well to see how things are going. We all know that some Certain industries are flourishing right now, especially in Ohio. So let's find out how we can plug into all that great

energy. You know, Brett, what was interesting about the different perspectives some we have in this episode is that Darlene and Kelly both come to us from an employer perspective. So the tips they're giving job seekers are really Giving us great insight into what employers are looking for. She really honed in on Not just understanding the position and the employer, but to believe that you can do the job. Put yourself out there, Network your way into an organization, into a position, but really believe in yourself. That's so important to it for a job seeker.

Yeah. You know, and I think it's been a common theme from all of our experts is that, you know, believe in yourself. Believe that you can do the job that you're applying for.

If if you've done the, the a really good job of preparing yourself, preparing that resume, being ready for an interview, You're gonna go in with that positive attitude into that interview. Yeah.

And and an employ the that potential employer is going to to see that. They're they're gonna recognize that. They're gonna recognize the confidence.

Right.

And and really, it's it's almost addictive that that they're gonna want you there on their team because of the positive influence, the positivity that you're presenting at just an interview. Absolutely. And and and that's that's really huge, and I and and and and and I think, again, all of our experts in this episode, thank goodness that they gave us their time because I think every one of them had a great insight. Even if you just take 1 or 2 things from each one of them Right. It's been great.

It's been great. Absolutely. I'm excited. I'm excited to hear responses from our audience and, would love to do this again.

Exactly. A well, many thanks to our expert guests in human resources and career advising for joining us in this episode. Marilyn Bury Rice from the Ohio State University's alumni association LOTA office of career management, Sharon Hamersley, our resume coach, Rebecca Heslep from Innisource, Jill Kulman from FST Logistics, business growth expert Darlene Ziebel, and Kelly Fuller from the Columbus Chamber. South. Thanks, listeners, for joining us, and don't forget to check our show notes on the website for the contact information and resources we discussed South Bay. You can find all of this information at looking forward our Way, and we're looking forward to hearing your feedback on this or any of our podcast episodes.