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Thomas Olivier, an accomplished author and speaker, is the founder and CEO of Vitae X, bringing extensive expertise in health technology, analytics, personalised wellness, and industry leadership. As the founder and former CEO of Omnos.me and Regeneruslabs.me—leading distributors of medical tests across the UK and Europe, serving over 80,000 users and 7,000 practitioners—he introduced pioneering DNA
testing and biomarker analysis, creating accessible, data-driven tools that empower individuals and professionals to optimise health. His work has enabled executives, athletes, and individuals to achieve their fullest potential.
At Vitae X, Thomas will harness the robust networks of Omnos and Regenerus Labs and integrate advanced APIs to deliver highly personalised, data-driven health solutions. His first book, Cracking Your Health Code ( 2014), offers practical insights into decoding personal health, while his latest, Smart Health (2024), outlines his ambition to make healthcare accessible to all and enhance well-being for everyone. Positioned at the intersection of technology, data, and personalised health, Thomas is well-equipped to guide Vitae X towards a future of proactive wellness and healthspan optimisation. His mission is to build a new health architecture focused on predictive prevention, enhancing healthspan, and extending lifespan through physical locations, a digital platform, and innovative technology.
> During our discussion, you’ll discover:
(00:05:41) Thomas’ health coaching background/journey
(00:15:29) What is nutrigenomics
(00:20:49) How nutrigenomics has changed athletic diets and training
(00:27:36) What is Vitae X
(00:35:31) S.H.E. framework
(00:43:01) Using hardware to track your health
(00:49:36) Ownership of your data
(00:55:23) How much do 5g and WiFi affect us
(01:00:11) What kind of conditions is vitaX planned to help with
(01:02:30) Will AI completely replace physicians
(01:11:00) How is the Vitae X trial going and how it will roll out
(01:16:37) The best wearable health device
(01:18:30) What other industries can AI help with
(01:18:59) The number 1 biomarker to track for overall health
(01:20:19) Single-nucleotide polymorphism
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Transcripts
Good morning, Thomas.
Speaker:It's great to have you
Speaker:on the podcast today.
Speaker:Hi.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If memory serves, I think we first met
Speaker:back at the Health
Speaker:Optimization Summit in around 2023.
Speaker:I think you were there
Speaker:with Omnossa at the time.
Speaker:Anyway, it's been a minute and here we
Speaker:are in 2025 to talk about
Speaker:your latest venture, VTX.
Speaker:Before we dive into that particular
Speaker:conversation though, would you mind just
Speaker:introducing yourself
Speaker:to the audience for us?
Speaker:I know you have a fascinating history
Speaker:when it comes to science, to health, to
Speaker:exercise physiology, and I think it would
Speaker:be great to get that background again.
Speaker:Yeah, sure.
Speaker:Quick background, I will try
Speaker:to keep the story very short.
Speaker:But I like to say that
Speaker:I'm a failed athlete.
Speaker:When I was 16, I was a
Speaker:French champion of swimming,
Speaker:believe it or not.
Speaker:This is where it all started for me
Speaker:because I was training very intensively
Speaker:as you would do every day, every single
Speaker:day for two hours, holidays for me as a
Speaker:young 16 years old was twice a
Speaker:day in the pool for two hours.
Speaker:Everything was fine until
Speaker:I started to change pool.
Speaker:Went for the local Olympic
Speaker:pool, like change the club.
Speaker:One thing has changed there, which was
Speaker:the proximity of a bakery.
Speaker:The result of this is obviously when
Speaker:you're a 16 years old male,
Speaker:growing very fast, or when you're like
Speaker:busting testosterone, training like
Speaker:crazy, you just eat all the time.
Speaker:I remember going out of the training
Speaker:sessions and just I had my, in my
Speaker:backpack, the
Speaker:literally kilo pot of Nutella.
Speaker:I was passing by this bakery
Speaker:and I had this old baguette.
Speaker:I was opening, I had a knife as well,
Speaker:like old school opening the whole thing,
Speaker:putting half of it and just eating this
Speaker:on the way back home.
Speaker:That was just literally two
Speaker:hours maybe before dinner.
Speaker:I was still ready for dinner.
Speaker:Fifteen hundred calories.
Speaker:The amount of calories I
Speaker:was burning was just crazy.
Speaker:You have to replenish, but obviously I
Speaker:learned very quickly the hard way, but I
Speaker:was replenished the wrong way.
Speaker:And I've learned this by literally
Speaker:crashing the day after I was in school,
Speaker:falling asleep and going to see the
Speaker:doctors and like, "Oh,
Speaker:you're all the training."
Speaker:I was like, "Whoa, what was the case?"
Speaker:And I didn't change my training regimen.
Speaker:I just changed the pool.
Speaker:I wasn't changing anything.
Speaker:So anyway, this is where I started to
Speaker:look into what could
Speaker:be the real issue here.
Speaker:And I was interested in nutrition and I
Speaker:fell into probably one of the
Speaker:first men's health at the time.
Speaker:And we're talking
Speaker:about early 2000s, right?
Speaker:And it was about nutrition for athletes.
Speaker:And I was shocked, but actually eating
Speaker:eggs and salmon in the
Speaker:morning was a good idea.
Speaker:And my cereal's box that was saying
Speaker:athletes was actually rubbish, right?
Speaker:And maybe the old baguette with half a
Speaker:pot of Nutella was
Speaker:not a good idea either.
Speaker:And when I changed this really quickly,
Speaker:things changed for me.
Speaker:And I got fascinated by nutrition and
Speaker:really trying to optimize
Speaker:my performance, my health.
Speaker:You know, so yeah, it opens a lot of new
Speaker:avenue for me to explore.
Speaker:And I felt it fascinating, especially
Speaker:since then, genetically speaking, I
Speaker:wasn't going to be the top swimmer
Speaker:because I'm not two meters.
Speaker:I'm 180 and actually
Speaker:it's short for a swimmer.
Speaker:And yeah, past 17, I was out, right?
Speaker:When everybody started growing and
Speaker:reached those size, I was just very,
Speaker:very, those height, I was
Speaker:just out for the competition.
Speaker:So I decided to stop and as a fair
Speaker:athlete went into sport science.
Speaker:Yeah, sure.
Speaker:Well, I'm far back.
Speaker:So you're doing pretty well by my steps.
Speaker:Yeah, anyway, so cutting
Speaker:down, so we're short from there.
Speaker:I, as I said, sport science, then arrived
Speaker:in London and started coaching.
Speaker:And I'm obviously going to go on step
Speaker:here, but coaching athletes.
Speaker:And what I really enjoy doing was trying
Speaker:to get as personalized as possible before
Speaker:personalized personalization was a thing.
Speaker:And again, looking at what was available,
Speaker:I fell into some research
Speaker:paper about nutrigenomics.
Speaker:And at the time it
Speaker:was in South Africa lab
Speaker:that we're looking at certain genes, like
Speaker:the famous old ones like FTO, you know,
Speaker:which basically
Speaker:taught me that, wow, we can actually have
Speaker:a very personalized approach to caution
Speaker:and to potentially educating someone
Speaker:about their own genetic
Speaker:to be able then to, you know, have a
Speaker:tailored plan for
Speaker:performance, recovery, training.
Speaker:So it was all very exciting.
Speaker:Was that Tim Noakes's lab by any chance?
Speaker:DNA analysis, it was at the time.
Speaker:Oh, yes.
Speaker:I remember that company.
Speaker:Accuray Accuray up in South Africa.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:And I bothered them a lot because I was a
Speaker:coach at the time and, you know, I had no
Speaker:medical background and I was like
Speaker:harassing them to learn and do a course,
Speaker:which we did.
Speaker:So the first course they made, and I
Speaker:think I was one of the first students,
Speaker:they became nutrigenomic certified
Speaker:and I started implementing this in London
Speaker:for all the athletes.
Speaker:And the test was still
Speaker:quite expensive at the time.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And we're looking at a few SNPs.
Speaker:So looking at maybe, you know, 20, 20
Speaker:SNPs maximum, probably even less.
Speaker:But then quickly start to try to improve
Speaker:all of this and also, especially in the
Speaker:recommendation aspect, not just the
Speaker:hardcore sort of gene and gene variation
Speaker:without explanation.
Speaker:So I was helping in putting this together
Speaker:and again, getting the whole story short,
Speaker:starting with first company.
Speaker:And I will make this very short because I
Speaker:decided to leave this company because,
Speaker:as you probably know, back in the day,
Speaker:DNA was the wild west.
Speaker:And when there's a
Speaker:wild west, there's cowboy.
Speaker:And there is definitely a lot of actors,
Speaker:let's say, that wanted to sell a product
Speaker:without really a continuity.
Speaker:And it worked for them, but
Speaker:it's not what I wanted to do.
Speaker:And so I exited all this
Speaker:and my vision was really to
Speaker:educate people on how to
Speaker:learn, explore their gene.
Speaker:So I sort of stepped back and wrote a
Speaker:book which was cracking
Speaker:your health code in 2014.
Speaker:And it's about that.
Speaker:It's about an invitation to explore your
Speaker:genes and learn about
Speaker:your different variation.
Speaker:And what can you do about it?
Speaker:So really,
Speaker:nutrigenomic connection, right?
Speaker:So how can we adapt, change with many
Speaker:habits, your behavior
Speaker:based on your genetic?
Speaker:But also while doing this, realizing that
Speaker:it's definitely not the whole story.
Speaker:And this is where we created GenSmart,
Speaker:which was my first platform
Speaker:where we were uploading 23 enemy data.
Speaker:And at the time it was quite funny
Speaker:because I was just going
Speaker:towards 23 enemy accounts.
Speaker:Hashtag 23 enemy Instagrams, like, hey,
Speaker:you can upload your data to
Speaker:GenSmart and find out more.
Speaker:More than learning that you are the
Speaker:cousin of Marie Antoinette or whatever.
Speaker:And give you actually insight already in
Speaker:terms of what are your predisposition?
Speaker:What can you learn about it?
Speaker:And so, yeah, maybe your data
Speaker:classification pathways are not optimal.
Speaker:So what can you do as many goals and
Speaker:tasks to implement in your daily life to
Speaker:potentially help you do better?
Speaker:But again, GenSmart was amazing, I think,
Speaker:at the time because
Speaker:we're talking about 2016.
Speaker:It was one of the first.
Speaker:But then I really wanted to connect the
Speaker:dots with functional testing.
Speaker:So functional medicine approach with the
Speaker:hormone test, the
Speaker:microbiome, blood markers.
Speaker:To really try to have a whole picture
Speaker:here of your risk factors, the where you
Speaker:are now in your journey
Speaker:based on the biomarkers.
Speaker:And also
Speaker:understanding your context, right?
Speaker:So the symptoms.
Speaker:And this is what we have been doing with
Speaker:HONOS and first with Imperial College,
Speaker:trying to develop this
Speaker:interconnectivity between the dots.
Speaker:And again, because data and
Speaker:isolation are just points, right?
Speaker:But when you start connecting the dots
Speaker:together, you can see pattern, you can
Speaker:you can understand the story.
Speaker:And it makes a great difference.
Speaker:And this is where we created HONOS, which
Speaker:looks at things by order of priority and
Speaker:looked at the combination of genetic
Speaker:symptom assessment and
Speaker:all functional testing.
Speaker:And by doing so, we really
Speaker:saw an uptake of practitioner.
Speaker:But those two camps, those practitioners
Speaker:looking at this and saying, oh, well,
Speaker:it's you know, it's not good because it's
Speaker:fancy colors and everything.
Speaker:And then others that starting to
Speaker:understand that actually very subsistence
Speaker:to it and can use it as a tool to improve
Speaker:my practice, because I can reach a higher
Speaker:level of network information that I
Speaker:couldn't do on my own
Speaker:because I'm just a hormone expert.
Speaker:I'm not necessarily a microbiome expert.
Speaker:And I'm not so good at reading blood
Speaker:markers, for example.
Speaker:And definitely not trained as a
Speaker:nutritional practitioner.
Speaker:So this is what we have done.
Speaker:And we had within less than six months of
Speaker:maybe a thousand
Speaker:practitioners using our platform.
Speaker:And this is where we took a leap of faith
Speaker:to acquire Regeneris Labs,
Speaker:which is the UK
Speaker:leading company for testing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So we managed forces and this is what
Speaker:created now a CRM that's really support
Speaker:practitioner to have an efficient
Speaker:practice because you can order a test.
Speaker:You can have all your
Speaker:patients in one place.
Speaker:The results.
Speaker:Everything is in one place.
Speaker:And that's what I'm very proud of.
Speaker:What we have achieved here is to create a
Speaker:very much seamless experience from
Speaker:different labs to the end user, which is
Speaker:the practitioner here for efficiency.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, yeah, that's the whole journey.
Speaker:Yeah, no, no, it is.
Speaker:It's an amazing journey.
Speaker:And I can vouch for the
Speaker:Ominous platform personally.
Speaker:I think it's incredible.
Speaker:The fact that you can, as you said
Speaker:yourself, just bring in these different
Speaker:types of data from various different
Speaker:types of functional lab testing and then
Speaker:just be able to look at it as a whole.
Speaker:And just the algorithm at play that just
Speaker:makes it so accessible, not only to
Speaker:people who are practitioners, but also to
Speaker:people like myself who maybe got more of
Speaker:an academic background
Speaker:and this sort of stuff.
Speaker:But it just brings it all together.
Speaker:It really does.
Speaker:And it makes the data actionable.
Speaker:That's always my mission.
Speaker:Still is to make things accessible for
Speaker:everyone, but also effective to anyone.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:In a sense of getting the
Speaker:insight for all those data.
Speaker:But what does it mean in terms of
Speaker:mechanism of process of turning this into
Speaker:real time action and adjustments for
Speaker:preventive prevention, for example?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And as you alluded to earlier, I think it
Speaker:really sort of supports physicians as
Speaker:well, because then they can sort of they
Speaker:can work through the biochemistry.
Speaker:They can work through the endocrinology.
Speaker:They can work through the the gut stuff
Speaker:and just it's all provided there and they
Speaker:get this feedback on a patient and they
Speaker:can ultimately provide
Speaker:better care as a result.
Speaker:And there's also the learning hub.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So if you are a practitioner, not
Speaker:necessarily within the platform, you have
Speaker:all those amazing practitioners.
Speaker:You have workshops, you have video
Speaker:training, you have
Speaker:courses you can you can do.
Speaker:So, yeah, it's a great platform.
Speaker:So very proud of that.
Speaker:No, I love the one that Dean St.
Speaker:Mark did a while ago on.
Speaker:He's done two or three now,
Speaker:but those were incredible.
Speaker:Anyway, Thomas, that's that's that's
Speaker:quite the story and it's quite the jump
Speaker:as well, sort of going from the sort of
Speaker:background and sort of sports science and
Speaker:I suppose exercise physiology all the way
Speaker:into the sort of tech startup world.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:I think a great place to sort of continue
Speaker:this conversation would be actually let's
Speaker:backtrack slightly and
Speaker:talk about mutual genomics.
Speaker:And again, it's a passion of yours and
Speaker:evidently something you're
Speaker:well you're well learned in.
Speaker:Now, the way I understand it, it's basic,
Speaker:of course, it's a relationship between
Speaker:what we eat, our genes, and I suppose
Speaker:fundamentally our health.
Speaker:Of course, there's a
Speaker:lot more to it than that.
Speaker:But would you mind breaking down this
Speaker:concept for us and maybe how you some
Speaker:examples of how you
Speaker:utilize the it earlier on with.
Speaker:With the athletes that you were training,
Speaker:I think it would be quite interesting to
Speaker:delve into some of those that you answer.
Speaker:I think you you made it very clear and
Speaker:trying to make it a complex simple
Speaker:because the tradition
Speaker:makes me a bit complex.
Speaker:But for the audience here, which I'm sure
Speaker:is a very educated audience, but the
Speaker:traditional mix is really the interaction
Speaker:between the food, your
Speaker:lifestyle, your environment, right?
Speaker:And your gene and how they express.
Speaker:So the idea is you have a certain set of
Speaker:genes and your bio individuality, right?
Speaker:So my genotype will be different venues.
Speaker:And based on this, we obviously have
Speaker:different way of
Speaker:expressing those genotypes.
Speaker:And I'll give you examples based on the
Speaker:story from what I have, for example, the
Speaker:reason why I was crashing, for example,
Speaker:was an insulin sensitivity issue.
Speaker:Many years later, I tested for the genes,
Speaker:but I realized that all my insulin
Speaker:sensitivity genes
Speaker:were sort of high impact.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So the PPA-RG genes, for example, which
Speaker:has to do with insulin regulation.
Speaker:It regulates all the fat cell development
Speaker:and glucose metabolism and more really.
Speaker:But what I had this variance, right?
Speaker:I had my insulin resistance was
Speaker:definitely not there.
Speaker:So when I got this baguette and the
Speaker:Nutella, I'm down to crash.
Speaker:And the long term of doing this also
Speaker:could have been well, being an athlete
Speaker:was a bit different.
Speaker:But let's say if I was sedentary, that is
Speaker:high risk of type 2 diabetes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So they've long term type 2 diabetes.
Speaker:I am a high risk of type 2 diabetes.
Speaker:And that's why in my lifestyle, I have
Speaker:implemented things
Speaker:like intermittent fasting.
Speaker:All the little tools that I can use to
Speaker:regulate my glucose
Speaker:are still very important.
Speaker:If I were again, still acting like a
Speaker:French ninja, not understanding
Speaker:nutrition, I would crash.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So it's very important for
Speaker:me to have protein when I eat.
Speaker:And if I don't fast, you
Speaker:know, break my fast with protein,
Speaker:it is almost things are very important.
Speaker:And there's many, many different genes
Speaker:and variation you can have.
Speaker:So the most known, for example, is maybe
Speaker:caffeine metabolism.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So this gene CYP-OMA2, which is your
Speaker:short, I mean, fast
Speaker:metabolism or slow metabolism.
Speaker:So that explains some people with just
Speaker:after one espresso,
Speaker:which is habitory, right.
Speaker:And over time, all the genes to do with
Speaker:again, I have all this sassy genes as
Speaker:well, where like MC4 are, I call it the
Speaker:Deft-Bufet syndrome.
Speaker:Because you put in front of me a Bufet
Speaker:and if I'm hungry and if I'm tired, I'm
Speaker:just wired to go and
Speaker:eat without stopping.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I don't have this switch off button.
Speaker:So all those things, these things that
Speaker:I've learned and have the habits, develop
Speaker:the habits to like mindful eating and
Speaker:making sure I have enough protein, making
Speaker:sure, you know, to switch off those genes
Speaker:to express a bit too much.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So and then you can go into
Speaker:health-related issue, cardiovascular
Speaker:detoxification pathways like GST-M1,
Speaker:which I think is a fine
Speaker:living in London, very toxic city,
Speaker:having all those detoxification pathways,
Speaker:you know, like phase one and
Speaker:phase two, not being optimal.
Speaker:I do need to support my detoxification
Speaker:pathways on an ongoing basis.
Speaker:I would fall asleep literally as soon as
Speaker:I arrive in the tube because it's so
Speaker:toxic with all different things.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So implementing, well, a lot of training,
Speaker:supporting my with certain supplements,
Speaker:but also doing things like making sure I
Speaker:eat food that is not, you know, full of
Speaker:pesticides, the clean 15 and all those
Speaker:different things and also making sure
Speaker:that I now and then have sonars.
Speaker:All of these are things
Speaker:that are very important for me.
Speaker:Yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker:And it's interesting to see, just going
Speaker:back to the sporting analogy for a
Speaker:moment, how and I'm sure you still follow
Speaker:endurance sports to some extent, but just
Speaker:how this genetic data has almost
Speaker:driven the industry in terms of how
Speaker:athletes are feeling and eating.
Speaker:I remember I don't know if you follow
Speaker:cycling at all, but when Chris Froome,
Speaker:who won the Tour de France, I think three
Speaker:or four years in a row, was really
Speaker:performing well before he had a crash at
Speaker:the Crète d'Ephane.
Speaker:He was following a very
Speaker:high fat, low carb diet.
Speaker:And at the time it was
Speaker:assumed that that was optimal.
Speaker:And nowadays it's interesting that you
Speaker:see these same athletes and what they're
Speaker:now doing is running a very low quality.
Speaker:That is very nice actually with cyclists.
Speaker:The difference from a person to another
Speaker:can be amazing, especially in terms of
Speaker:recovery, performance.
Speaker:Let's say I'm a sprinter, right?
Speaker:I'm designed to be, I've got this
Speaker:ACTN-free fast-twitch metabolism.
Speaker:You make me swim a thousand kilometres,
Speaker:people take me far away, but a hundred
Speaker:metres was the best, right?
Speaker:Back in the days.
Speaker:It's just harm design, right?
Speaker:But also the recovery.
Speaker:So cyclists, for example,
Speaker:had a cyclist who had very slow recovery
Speaker:and was suffering
Speaker:from it, always in pain.
Speaker:And there's a gene called SOD2, which has
Speaker:to do with antioxidant.
Speaker:And obviously when you train that much,
Speaker:you create a lot of oxidative stress.
Speaker:And when we started juicing and getting
Speaker:as many as antioxidant for supplements
Speaker:and food, it was a game
Speaker:changer for this person.
Speaker:The recovery was much faster,
Speaker:the pain almost disappeared.
Speaker:And that's just because you are adapting
Speaker:to what you are designed for, right?
Speaker:So I think Nutriusion Mixer definitely
Speaker:has its value in not only for
Speaker:performance, but for health as well,
Speaker:which is what I'm focusing on now.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:And I think the other sort of nugget of
Speaker:wisdom in there is that you can also
Speaker:utilise genetics and eugenomics to almost
Speaker:identify what you would
Speaker:do well in within a sport.
Speaker:Just going back to cycling, for example,
Speaker:as you alluded to earlier, if you are
Speaker:ACTN, if you're sort of version of the
Speaker:ACTN 3 gene, if you're an RR phenotype,
Speaker:you're obviously going to be far more
Speaker:effective at sprinting than
Speaker:you would say at climbing.
Speaker:So I think when you look at it through
Speaker:that lens too, it can really help you to
Speaker:sort of identify maybe where in your
Speaker:sport or you would expel or what sort of
Speaker:sport you would
Speaker:expel, not expel, as well.
Speaker:So there's a lot of gene, for example,
Speaker:like the O2 Max and all those things.
Speaker:That makes quite a difference, right?
Speaker:So if you are a Nutri
Speaker:marathon runner, for example,
Speaker:and if you do all those different genes
Speaker:to do with like performance,
Speaker:ultra long performance,
Speaker:they do make a big difference.
Speaker:However, one thing I would say here for
Speaker:all the listeners is if you're an
Speaker:athlete, yes, you want to look at that,
Speaker:but you also, even athletes actually will
Speaker:benefit from any disciplines and the
Speaker:variation as a whole is
Speaker:very important actually.
Speaker:And you will find that most top athletes,
Speaker:say Michael Jordan was also good at
Speaker:golfing, right, or other things, because
Speaker:baseball, right, it's a different set of
Speaker:skills that makes you
Speaker:an athlete, I would say.
Speaker:So it's not just down to genetics, but
Speaker:genetics definitely give you a
Speaker:predisposition to certain things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm a chemist again.
Speaker:My physiology is well behind me, but is
Speaker:that the said principle of the specific
Speaker:adaptation to impose demands?
Speaker:Would that be correct?
Speaker:The idea that your performance can
Speaker:improve if you drive
Speaker:that variation in it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So yeah, of course, I think it's just
Speaker:like anything, right?
Speaker:So the more you do it.
Speaker:So right now, I'm very focused on on my
Speaker:VO2 max and all those
Speaker:different things as a marker.
Speaker:And I'm really doing half
Speaker:protocol in the way I train.
Speaker:For example, I will do like, you know,
Speaker:I can't remember the name of this
Speaker:protocol, but I think it's
Speaker:something to do with Norway.
Speaker:It's basically, you know, you run 800
Speaker:meters and then you top again for two
Speaker:minutes and do it again.
Speaker:You're actually a lot more likely to
Speaker:develop your VO2 max than just
Speaker:going for very long distance.
Speaker:So there's many protocols like this that
Speaker:you can implement based on
Speaker:what you want to achieve.
Speaker:What is your goal?
Speaker:And this is a more true if you know your
Speaker:genetics, you know where you are now, you
Speaker:know how you react with those biometrics
Speaker:and you can track and progress with where
Speaker:you can adapt and make it dynamic.
Speaker:And I think this is how any
Speaker:athletes should do it now.
Speaker:And most of them do anyway.
Speaker:But we're still learning, but it's
Speaker:exciting that now you can track, you can
Speaker:see what you are made of and you can see
Speaker:where your weaknesses
Speaker:are, what you can prove.
Speaker:So, you know, already back in the day,
Speaker:right, if someone had certain athletes,
Speaker:like, I don't know, rugby players I was
Speaker:coaching, if they had a lot of issues
Speaker:with tendon injury, collagen genes,
Speaker:COL5-1 and all those different genes.
Speaker:Well, we would supplement for sure and
Speaker:we'll make sure the recovery is on top.
Speaker:Also in terms of the conditioning, the
Speaker:training would be a lot about
Speaker:conditioning was tendon and
Speaker:preventing those injuries.
Speaker:Whereas, but someone who never had any
Speaker:injury and didn't have any of those
Speaker:genes, we will focus on other things
Speaker:where we were showing the weakness.
Speaker:So it's very interesting to see that in a
Speaker:team, there's different way
Speaker:of training an individual,
Speaker:because none of them are average, right?
Speaker:So, but they shouldn't
Speaker:have the same training.
Speaker:They should have the same training for
Speaker:sure as a team, but individually, it
Speaker:should be different.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Thomas, I think we could probably spend
Speaker:all day just talking
Speaker:about genes and DART.
Speaker:If I think we should probably,
Speaker:maybe, and that's my fault, I apologize,
Speaker:I'm the king of tangents, we should
Speaker:probably go back to talk about
Speaker:the topic of today's conversation, which
Speaker:is your latest venture, VTX.
Speaker:Now, you're kind enough to send me a
Speaker:white paper in
Speaker:preparation for this podcast.
Speaker:And it was quite the monster, to be fair,
Speaker:there was a lot there.
Speaker:My main takeaway for your vision for VTX
Speaker:is that you're aiming to sort of create,
Speaker:I suppose, a platform driven by a
Speaker:framework, or maybe an operating system
Speaker:is a better term, which I believe you've
Speaker:turned the smart health
Speaker:ecosystem or SHE or she.
Speaker:The idea is to use AI to help move
Speaker:medicine away from sort of a reactor
Speaker:model, i.e. one that deals with health
Speaker:issues as they arrive to one that is more
Speaker:preventative and I
Speaker:suppose regenerative in nature.
Speaker:Now, chances are, I know I probably
Speaker:butchered that to some extent, but I hope
Speaker:that I got the gist of it.
Speaker:Would you mind elaborating on this idea
Speaker:of VTX and what drove
Speaker:you to develop the project?
Speaker:Well, what drove me to this project?
Speaker:I mean, I've been in the industry for
Speaker:over 20 years now, and it's always the
Speaker:same problem, right?
Speaker:Trying to fix the system that...
Speaker:Well, the problem is that we have a 21st
Speaker:century disease burden, but we still have
Speaker:a 21st century system to deal with it.
Speaker:And what I mean by that is if you look at
Speaker:the healthcare system as it is now, and
Speaker:when I'm saying all this, by the way,
Speaker:it's not pointing the finger and saying,
Speaker:"Oh, this is very bad," especially not
Speaker:other people who work in that system
Speaker:because they're amazing people that save
Speaker:life on a daily basis, right?
Speaker:But this is exactly it.
Speaker:They save life on a daily basis because
Speaker:it's an acute care system.
Speaker:However, if you want to deal with the
Speaker:problem of today, which are a massive
Speaker:burden for individuals,
Speaker:communities, governments,
Speaker:whether it's economical, social burden,
Speaker:it's diseases that are multi-factorials
Speaker:that develop over decades, if not more,
Speaker:and that we cannot treat as a one-cause
Speaker:effect sort of scenario, which we do with
Speaker:the healthcare system.
Speaker:So if you go with anxiety, chronic
Speaker:anxiety, let's say, and see the
Speaker:healthcare system, they will treat you
Speaker:with one single solution,
Speaker:which is medication, right?
Speaker:But it's not the source of the problem.
Speaker:What is the source of the problem?
Speaker:And this is where we want to find out
Speaker:because we want to eradicate the issue
Speaker:here before it becomes a bigger problem.
Speaker:And yeah, I think it comes from there.
Speaker:It's like, how can we create a system
Speaker:that is about predictive prevention that
Speaker:is in real time, but that is very much
Speaker:personalized because it's a reality.
Speaker:The healthcare system, as it is now, is
Speaker:an average treat people as average, but
Speaker:we are not average people.
Speaker:We're all very different and we need to
Speaker:have this very hyper-personalized
Speaker:approach if we want to fix things.
Speaker:And we also need a system that actually
Speaker:includes the person in the middle,
Speaker:because Reiner is very fragmented, is
Speaker:very siloed, and you only go there when
Speaker:you break down, and in between,
Speaker:you're on your own, right?
Speaker:And you don't know how to
Speaker:participate in your health.
Speaker:And with this sort of context, you're
Speaker:almost like, "Oh, I don't know what to do
Speaker:because I'm not a doctor."
Speaker:But actually, when it
Speaker:comes to prevention,
Speaker:the fundamentals are lifestyle, diet,
Speaker:environment, because this is what are the
Speaker:issues of today to
Speaker:develop the disease of today.
Speaker:Yes, you cannot do brain
Speaker:surgery, but that's acute care.
Speaker:You don't need that, right?
Speaker:Well, I hope we don't need that.
Speaker:And this is where the idea of VITAX came,
Speaker:is to create a system of our time where
Speaker:with all the data we collect based on
Speaker:someone's goals, how can we make
Speaker:something that is real-time and give
Speaker:nudges for you to adjust in real time and
Speaker:put you back in this road of recovery or
Speaker:actually de-aging pretty much, right?
Speaker:Because we know that all those diseases
Speaker:as well are aging-related diseases.
Speaker:So how we can do all this is about making
Speaker:you at the center of it.
Speaker:And it has to be behavioral-centric.
Speaker:But based on your data,
Speaker:that is the idea of the platform.
Speaker:And this is what we're doing now.
Speaker:And then it's to really try to develop a
Speaker:model where later, and I think we
Speaker:shouldn't underestimate how things are
Speaker:progressing very fast nowadays,
Speaker:where we want to remove
Speaker:people from their dashboard, right?
Speaker:Or things like that.
Speaker:Go outside.
Speaker:And one of the real pillar
Speaker:of longevity is communities.
Speaker:Go outside and share.
Speaker:So try to make things ambient in the
Speaker:sense that you are being monitored if
Speaker:things are going wrong and you're being
Speaker:nudged only for adjustment.
Speaker:And everything works
Speaker:as an orchestra for you.
Speaker:And that is the idea, is to create an
Speaker:ecosystem where you have an end-to-end
Speaker:system that works for
Speaker:you in the background.
Speaker:And you're being told, "Okay, you've done
Speaker:very well because this
Speaker:is your top priority.
Speaker:This is your protocol.
Speaker:And you've been doing
Speaker:this for three weeks.
Speaker:And you have, let's say for me, you have
Speaker:reduced your insulin resistance by 30%
Speaker:and decreased your chances of type 2
Speaker:diabetes by 50% and
Speaker:looking at numbers, right?
Speaker:But that means also that your biological
Speaker:age has reduced of five years in the last
Speaker:three months, right?
Speaker:And this is powerful because that is
Speaker:something that is tangible,
Speaker:that is prioritized, and that's real-time
Speaker:predictive prevention.
Speaker:Now, it's incredibly powerful information
Speaker:to have because I also think it creates a
Speaker:lot of accountability for
Speaker:the individual in question too.
Speaker:If you, it's, I mean, I suppose the
Speaker:closest thing that we have today is maybe
Speaker:a diabetic on an insulin pump or who has
Speaker:a CGM or someone who is regularly
Speaker:watching their weight.
Speaker:But if you don't have that sort of
Speaker:immediate feedback, you're not going to
Speaker:be able to course correct, are you?
Speaker:So I think from that perspective alone,
Speaker:this sort of technology is amazing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And also, do you actually
Speaker:need this feedback, right?
Speaker:Is that for you?
Speaker:And this can be also monitored by a
Speaker:practitioner, right?
Speaker:So if things are clinical, it should
Speaker:always involve a practitioner anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's a question I have
Speaker:for you a little later on.
Speaker:Thomas, I'd love to dive a little deeper
Speaker:if that's okay into the SHG, the SHG
Speaker:framework, if that's okay.
Speaker:Now, from what I remember, it's sort of
Speaker:compromised, not compromised, are four
Speaker:pillars, mainly predictive, proactive,
Speaker:personalized, and participatory.
Speaker:Now, I know you sort of covered that to
Speaker:some extent already, but would you just
Speaker:mind running through each of these in a
Speaker:little more detail and then, yeah, maybe
Speaker:we could bring them all
Speaker:together for the audience.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So the SHG is just a name in a smart
Speaker:paper, but it's for a
Speaker:small health ecosystem.
Speaker:And the pillar really predictive is about
Speaker:using biomarker and AI to identify risks
Speaker:before symptom appear, right?
Speaker:As simple as that.
Speaker:It's a bit like, you know, if you know,
Speaker:and I'll give you a concrete example,
Speaker:you're in London, and by
Speaker:your door, you have an umbrella.
Speaker:If you look at the weather forecast, and
Speaker:it's 20% chances of rain, maybe not going
Speaker:to take that umbrella.
Speaker:If you have 50% of rain,
Speaker:you might take the umbrella.
Speaker:If it's 80% of rain or more, you're going
Speaker:to take the umbrella and the rain cold.
Speaker:This is how we should
Speaker:approach our health, I think.
Speaker:And this is what is right
Speaker:now my most important priority.
Speaker:So what is my priority for me to not age
Speaker:quicker than my chronological age and
Speaker:actually decrease that, right?
Speaker:So decrease my pace of aging, let's say,
Speaker:by addressing one of my most important,
Speaker:you know, things that I need to do.
Speaker:So it can be everything.
Speaker:Let's take again, insulin
Speaker:sensitivity, inflammation.
Speaker:Those are very important
Speaker:things, stress management, right?
Speaker:Was all very common.
Speaker:And what can I do right now to prevent
Speaker:this to happen with those biomarkers and
Speaker:my symptoms, and potentially even, you
Speaker:know, if you can applaud those things or
Speaker:those data, a lot of people
Speaker:are wearing wearables nowadays.
Speaker:And how can you make it proactive, right?
Speaker:So, proactive in a sense that the system
Speaker:help you, guide you on your journey by
Speaker:giving you little nudges.
Speaker:You know, if you're very stressed and
Speaker:you're low in magnesium and your cortisol
Speaker:is very high, hey, don't forget your
Speaker:magnesium tonight, or, you know, what
Speaker:about doing a little two minute breathing
Speaker:exercise in the middle of the day, right?
Speaker:Because your cortisol is
Speaker:spiking or your HRT is high, right?
Speaker:So that's low, sorry.
Speaker:So your stress response is very high, so
Speaker:this is the sort of things
Speaker:that will keep you in check.
Speaker:And the more you do those things, it's
Speaker:also about creating this behavior of
Speaker:self-awareness and actually building
Speaker:habits that are relevant to you.
Speaker:And what I like about AI is we'll learn
Speaker:from you and you will
Speaker:learn from each other.
Speaker:And you can, when you talk about AI,
Speaker:we're not choosing chatty-pity, by the
Speaker:way, it's our own system.
Speaker:My co-founder, Christian Schwartz, can
Speaker:look it up on LinkedIn,
Speaker:is a top guy when it comes to AI.
Speaker:And, I mean, I've learned so much the
Speaker:last six months, which is crazy.
Speaker:But we're talking about AI machine
Speaker:learning, having our own system with
Speaker:rules and we keep on learning about you.
Speaker:And then personalized in a sense that
Speaker:based on all of those data,
Speaker:based on what you want to do,
Speaker:what can you do as a protocol based on
Speaker:your preferences, on
Speaker:your goals, your lifestyle?
Speaker:How can we actually make this as
Speaker:frictionless as possible for you?
Speaker:I like the idea of helping you, guiding
Speaker:you and trying to make it as less
Speaker:friction as possible because
Speaker:we want to simplify your life.
Speaker:We don't want to give you another thing
Speaker:to do, another thing to do.
Speaker:But when it's necessary to invite you
Speaker:into doing things and hopefully to do
Speaker:this within a community and help you to
Speaker:achieve those goals.
Speaker:And this is where participatory comes
Speaker:from, is about you being in charge.
Speaker:You probably heard a lot about
Speaker:being your CEO of your health.
Speaker:So it's a bit this way.
Speaker:It's like you can set your own goal.
Speaker:I mean, I have goals about,
Speaker:I want to limit my gray hair.
Speaker:But there's actually, when you're doing
Speaker:that, there's markers, we know, there's
Speaker:genetic, there's certain supplementation.
Speaker:So, okay, this is your goal.
Speaker:Fine.
Speaker:Your priority is this and this.
Speaker:This is what we want you to do.
Speaker:But if you want to do
Speaker:that on top, you can do that.
Speaker:And this is what you can do for it and
Speaker:see the improvements of the time.
Speaker:So yeah, this is the idea
Speaker:really of these four pillars.
Speaker:And by doing this, we are most
Speaker:importantly, reversing
Speaker:the trend from a reactive,
Speaker:a little too late model to a proactive
Speaker:take things early on, learn, implement,
Speaker:and make the changes that counts to
Speaker:actually have a big impact in the long
Speaker:term, in both social impact, individual
Speaker:impact, and the economy even, because if
Speaker:we don't change anything now, it's a 47
Speaker:trillion dollar debt that
Speaker:we have with the healthcare.
Speaker:It's collapsing everywhere.
Speaker:It's not sustainable.
Speaker:We have to do something.
Speaker:And unfortunately, why now is still not
Speaker:the top emergency on
Speaker:most government agenda.
Speaker:It has to start with us.
Speaker:If it starts with us,
Speaker:legislation will follow.
Speaker:Oh, definitely.
Speaker:And I think that, I still think that if
Speaker:you, if anyone ultimately wanted to
Speaker:change the world and they sort of came to
Speaker:sort of global power, I think the one
Speaker:thing that would change the world faster
Speaker:than anything else would be to focus on
Speaker:healthcare and then focus on people being
Speaker:sound metabolic health.
Speaker:Because when you improve health, you
Speaker:improve psychological outcomes, you
Speaker:improve an individual's ability to create
Speaker:wealth, to improve their financial state.
Speaker:And it just has that trickle down effect.
Speaker:But the moment you're sort of stuck in
Speaker:this state of ill health as an
Speaker:individual, as a society, everything else
Speaker:just collapses
Speaker:subsequently and as a result of that.
Speaker:So I think, yeah, I can only praise you
Speaker:that this project is incredible and I
Speaker:really look forward to seeing it develop.
Speaker:Thomas, I'd love to go take another step
Speaker:back if that's okay and chat about the
Speaker:e-code, the sort of system again from
Speaker:maybe from a product or from
Speaker:a sort of a wearable hardware
Speaker:side of things.
Speaker:Now, I imagine there'll be some buy-in in
Speaker:terms of hardware that's needed.
Speaker:Things like your wearables,
Speaker:your devices, things like that.
Speaker:Now, a few years ago, I don't, I wouldn't
Speaker:have foreseen this to be an issue because
Speaker:you bought something like an auto ring or
Speaker:your Woot band and that was it.
Speaker:And you just used it and you
Speaker:got the data that you needed.
Speaker:Now, everything is on
Speaker:a subscription model.
Speaker:So you're not necessarily only just
Speaker:buying the product, you're obviously
Speaker:having to pay for its use monthly.
Speaker:Obviously, from a business standpoint,
Speaker:from an individual, for individual
Speaker:companies, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker:That's a great way of creating recurrent
Speaker:revenue for your brand.
Speaker:But obviously, for the average
Speaker:individuals, those bills
Speaker:all are going to add up.
Speaker:What do you feel about this idea in
Speaker:general within the health space?
Speaker:And obviously, that's a speculative.
Speaker:And maybe to add to
Speaker:that, what do you think,
Speaker:again, speculatively is a good sort of
Speaker:baseline point of admission to in terms
Speaker:of wearable tech that individuals should
Speaker:be looking to utilize or acquire when
Speaker:trying to make the most
Speaker:of a platform like VTX?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, you can go from the basic
Speaker:to the specialized, right?
Speaker:So obviously, if you just counting steps,
Speaker:you know, it might not be enough for
Speaker:certain goals you may have.
Speaker:However, if you're getting started,
Speaker:and metabolic health is a top priority,
Speaker:that's already quite valuable, right?
Speaker:Because that's very easy.
Speaker:And that's something, okay, I need to do
Speaker:those 10,000 steps a day.
Speaker:And then on top of the nutrition and
Speaker:rubber, and that's already making a
Speaker:massive change enough to potentially
Speaker:prevent things, right?
Speaker:Now, if you want to be specialized, and
Speaker:you go very targeted, and you're like a
Speaker:biohacker, and yeah, you want to have
Speaker:more data, the more data is to debate up
Speaker:to get a clearer, more defined, more
Speaker:hyper personalized picture.
Speaker:But let's do thing here.
Speaker:The first thing is,
Speaker:whatever data you have, you may have, if
Speaker:you carry a phone like this,
Speaker:you already have Apple Health.
Speaker:And a lot already is
Speaker:being tracked, right?
Speaker:And what are the like the idea of is to
Speaker:create universal upload of data.
Speaker:So something for sure, we are doing on
Speaker:this platform is allowing people to
Speaker:upload their data for free, whatever data
Speaker:they have, and to get
Speaker:already some insights,
Speaker:preferences, goals, and everything sort
Speaker:of already will make
Speaker:sense to for an individual.
Speaker:Now,
Speaker:the second thing is, the amazing thing
Speaker:about AI and machine learning, and the
Speaker:more it develops, the
Speaker:better it becomes at predicting,
Speaker:and making assumptions based on your
Speaker:lifestyle, your diet, your environment.
Speaker:So what something that AI is amazing at
Speaker:is that looking at all those data,
Speaker:and understanding which one are relevant
Speaker:based on your goals, your
Speaker:preferences, your symptoms.
Speaker:And then suddenly, you
Speaker:don't have 100 things to track.
Speaker:So then maybe we can recommend you this
Speaker:is the best thing for you to track.
Speaker:You don't have to have 20 devices, right?
Speaker:It can just be one for now.
Speaker:And then once you have learned the
Speaker:habits, maybe yes, now, because you have
Speaker:changed this, and you have lost a lot of
Speaker:weight, and you love training,
Speaker:and you want to increase your value to
Speaker:max, because you got hooked
Speaker:by the whole thing of training.
Speaker:Yeah, get to boot back, why not?
Speaker:This, there's another thing, actually.
Speaker:But what about if all of those data,
Speaker:which by the way, something that is very
Speaker:close to my heart is data ownership, full
Speaker:data ownership means
Speaker:your data remain your data.
Speaker:And you should be able to opt in or opt
Speaker:out to share those data.
Speaker:But let's say you're opting to share
Speaker:those data, those data have value.
Speaker:And the value should be going back to
Speaker:you, not to, and this is why let's not
Speaker:talk about the two, three and me.
Speaker:But this model didn't work probably
Speaker:because basically take data off someone
Speaker:and you make money out of it.
Speaker:This is the old school way of doing it.
Speaker:And I think we need to have a lot more
Speaker:sustainable approach where you have your
Speaker:own data, it's your
Speaker:health data, you own them.
Speaker:And if you wish to share them,
Speaker:you should be rewarded for it.
Speaker:And maybe you should be rewarded by
Speaker:discounts or even freebies of this type
Speaker:of wearables and have the one that you
Speaker:need and you want based on your goal,
Speaker:your preferences, and
Speaker:also your health symptoms.
Speaker:So there is ways of doing it.
Speaker:I'm not saying we're doing it now,
Speaker:maybe.
Speaker:But it's important to look at things
Speaker:first of how, where the trends are going,
Speaker:and what can we do with what we have now
Speaker:to make those things
Speaker:a lot more accessible.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:I'm still very analog.
Speaker:I find that for most people and the
Speaker:clients that I do work with things like,
Speaker:for me, I think a CGM, maybe a digital
Speaker:BEP cuff, and then occasionally tracking
Speaker:HRV are probably the tools in an analog
Speaker:capacity, of course, that you can sort of
Speaker:glean the most information from, purely
Speaker:from just a metabolic health standpoint.
Speaker:And I think those are, for me, would
Speaker:probably be if somebody really wants to
Speaker:start investigating their health beyond
Speaker:the sort of the basics or the core key
Speaker:blood work, those are
Speaker:great tools to start off with.
Speaker:Thomas, I'd love to get back to this
Speaker:idea, sort of sovereignty and data
Speaker:ownership again, and all of that.
Speaker:It was something I was going to ask you
Speaker:later on, but I think this is a great
Speaker:time to discuss the point.
Speaker:Now, until recently, sort of companies
Speaker:owning my data never actually bothered me
Speaker:because I didn't actually sort of see it
Speaker:as being a major issue.
Speaker:Yeah, I've got my own 23andMe data, and
Speaker:I've had 10 emails telling me that
Speaker:somebody else has stolen it at
Speaker:least once every other month.
Speaker:And I thought, okay, so what?
Speaker:Somebody knows my genetics.
Speaker:But I've since sort of started to learn
Speaker:and wake up to the fact, and maybe just
Speaker:grow up and be a little less naive, that
Speaker:there is really an issue with companies
Speaker:owning your data, and they can start to
Speaker:sort of impact the way that you're
Speaker:insured, for example, healthcare, etc.
Speaker:Would you be able to sort of expand upon
Speaker:that and why, as a society, we should
Speaker:actually be so protective of our data,
Speaker:especially our health data?
Speaker:I think this
Speaker:is your health data.
Speaker:Again, if we can secure them in a
Speaker:encrypted way, let's say, for you,
Speaker:and nobody has access to them, only if
Speaker:you want to share them, right?
Speaker:I think it should be the way forward.
Speaker:And actually, this should
Speaker:be supported by legislation.
Speaker:There's different reasons.
Speaker:Obviously, we don't want to go into the
Speaker:utopian version of you have your DNA data
Speaker:leaked in someday, in a far, far utopian
Speaker:future, someone will make a
Speaker:personalized bio weapon for you.
Speaker:But at least looking at your data, and
Speaker:yes, having an insurance, like, you've
Speaker:got high risks of cancer, let's say,
Speaker:because of this gene.
Speaker:First thing is false, like in the sense
Speaker:that you can have a high risk variant of
Speaker:something, let's say, apogee form, which
Speaker:is related to Alzheimer, but it doesn't
Speaker:necessarily mean you will
Speaker:develop the disease, right?
Speaker:It's the same with BRCA1 and BRCA2.
Speaker:Actually,
Speaker:breast cancer is not the gene, it's your
Speaker:lifestyle, your diet, your environment,
Speaker:the epigenetics that will amplify the
Speaker:expression of that gene.
Speaker:So yes, if you have this gene and you
Speaker:drink every day, and you're stressed, and
Speaker:you're very low in vitamin
Speaker:D, that would be a problem.
Speaker:But if you do all the right things, it
Speaker:won't be a problem at all.
Speaker:So that's the first thing is to make sure
Speaker:that there is also accuracy in how those
Speaker:institutions are thinking.
Speaker:And the second thing is, basically not
Speaker:have access to those
Speaker:data without your content.
Speaker:But actually, if you want to share them,
Speaker:because you're doing the right thing, you
Speaker:should rip off the benefits of having a
Speaker:premium at a discount.
Speaker:And it's also giving the opportunity to
Speaker:solve a problem like cohort compiling for
Speaker:research, for example.
Speaker:Let's say the platform like
Speaker:Ondos is over 100,000 users.
Speaker:And it's interesting to see that you can
Speaker:potentially, people have their data
Speaker:there, and it's all secure, and Ondos
Speaker:will never share data.
Speaker:But if you were to have a system that
Speaker:allows you to switch on or switch off
Speaker:your data access to a research institute,
Speaker:you could be part of a cohort.
Speaker:And this is Imperial College, you want to
Speaker:do a study on this, and your genes is
Speaker:matching, you are the right
Speaker:age bracket, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:And you could get free testing and plus
Speaker:potentially be paid.
Speaker:And for Imperial College, trying to
Speaker:advance something and cover something
Speaker:that could help the whole
Speaker:population, that is beneficial.
Speaker:So it's not the same angle of trying to
Speaker:sell a data set to pharma
Speaker:to make a single drug use.
Speaker:Let's not go there.
Speaker:But it's a very different ecosystem here.
Speaker:And I think this is where we should, the
Speaker:legislation should look at things and
Speaker:say, okay, this should be allowed.
Speaker:And this is how it should be.
Speaker:And this should not be, right?
Speaker:Because that's just pure for profits.
Speaker:So this is my stand on it anyway.
Speaker:And probably, you know, some investor
Speaker:would probably not like that.
Speaker:But I think this is where it's going. 70%
Speaker:of people now are happy to share the data
Speaker:for insight, but they're not happy to
Speaker:share their data if they know they're
Speaker:going to be used for profit.
Speaker:And there is a real awakening about this.
Speaker:And it's normal, I believe.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I think it is.
Speaker:It's starting to sort of develop in
Speaker:society as to why people's data is not
Speaker:only important, but it's a value to them.
Speaker:It's not to just binary information on
Speaker:the internet that someone is just going
Speaker:to utilize to sort of take email address
Speaker:and sort of send you an offer for the
Speaker:latest, I don't know, TV ad, whatever.
Speaker:It is definitely a value.
Speaker:Thomas, I'd love to sort of pick your
Speaker:brains about what I think about from time
Speaker:to time, which is the
Speaker:Wi-Fi and EMF piece.
Speaker:Now, obviously, when we start to talk
Speaker:about AI and technology, that's going to
Speaker:start to sort of come to
Speaker:the forefront a bit more.
Speaker:Now, I'm not a physicist.
Speaker:As I mentioned earlier, I'm a chemist.
Speaker:I understand what these non-native
Speaker:signals can do to the
Speaker:body to some extent anyway.
Speaker:And I do believe that where there's
Speaker:smoke, there's fire.
Speaker:Now, how much things like Wi-Fi are
Speaker:actually detrimental to human
Speaker:physiology is up for debate.
Speaker:However,
Speaker:and they're definitely
Speaker:hard to get away from.
Speaker:For everybody's best efforts, I mean, you
Speaker:have 5G everywhere now,
Speaker:whether that's an issue or not.
Speaker:You have obviously Wi-Fi broadband and
Speaker:now Elon Musk's
Speaker:Starlink satellite's going up.
Speaker:So we're constantly surrounded by that
Speaker:sort of Wi-Fi exposure.
Speaker:What do you think of this in terms of, I
Speaker:suppose, mixing healthcare, AI together?
Speaker:Do you think this is broadly speaking an
Speaker:issue, or do you feel sort of this
Speaker:electromagnetic hypersensitivity piece is
Speaker:a bit blown out of proportion?
Speaker:Well, blown out of proportion, it depends
Speaker:where you stand on it.
Speaker:But there is definitely an impact, right?
Speaker:It's for sure.
Speaker:And we are electric currents after all.
Speaker:So it definitely has an impact on us.
Speaker:I would definitely not leave somewhere
Speaker:where there is those 5G antenna.
Speaker:And we know we studied.
Speaker:It's as many papers, it's various impact
Speaker:on your health, on your
Speaker:sleep, on a lot of things.
Speaker:So I guess, what is the solution there?
Speaker:And I don't have the solution, but I
Speaker:would definitely think that with the
Speaker:progress being made and it's things we
Speaker:need to adapt and to
Speaker:potentially find solution for.
Speaker:We are already making biodiesel, why not
Speaker:one day, sort of making a hub find
Speaker:solution for sort of
Speaker:emission free internet, right?
Speaker:So I don't think it's stupid of thinking
Speaker:that because, well, things are
Speaker:progressing very fast.
Speaker:And there's always some innovation that's
Speaker:like, wow, blow your mind,
Speaker:especially, you know, probably in two,
Speaker:three years time, AI might find a
Speaker:solution for us, not for us, but from us,
Speaker:but maybe AI itself.
Speaker:So maybe I'm not hyper optimistic.
Speaker:I'm a founder.
Speaker:So maybe it's a character trait
Speaker:of being very optimistic on this, but I
Speaker:hope we will find a solution that because
Speaker:using AI and as a tool will
Speaker:definitely improve our life.
Speaker:And we obviously need
Speaker:a connection for that.
Speaker:And yeah, just to see how,
Speaker:what are the alternatives.
Speaker:So I'm not an expert on this particular
Speaker:field, but I'm quite hopeful
Speaker:that we will find solution.
Speaker:And at least what we can do now again is
Speaker:to track the effects on us and to
Speaker:understand this more.
Speaker:And it's maybe a first step to understand
Speaker:it more, to really raise this as not a
Speaker:hoax, but as actually not a conspiracy
Speaker:theory, but actually as a fact.
Speaker:Now that it is a fact, validated as a
Speaker:fact, what can we do with it?
Speaker:What is the first step?
Speaker:Because something that we realize is
Speaker:we're sort of running out of
Speaker:conspiracy theory nowadays.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, thank you for that.
Speaker:It's great to get your opinion there.
Speaker:And for anyone who is interested in the
Speaker:wifi piece, the non-native EMF field
Speaker:piece, I invite you to listen to the
Speaker:podcast I did recently with Tristan
Speaker:Scott, who really is,
Speaker:he's an electrical engineer.
Speaker:I'm sure you're familiar with him.
Speaker:He's helping to run
Speaker:daylight in future at the moment.
Speaker:Of interest, I think is the fact that I
Speaker:don't know if you've heard of LiFi.
Speaker:They are a web, they're obviously an EMF,
Speaker:an EMF based protocol that utilizes light
Speaker:to transmit information
Speaker:instead of wifi radiation.
Speaker:But that is, yeah, that was something
Speaker:that will hopefully
Speaker:develop as time progresses.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So Thomas, another question about VTX.
Speaker:The way I said it's definitely at the
Speaker:moment, it's aimed at, well, it is.
Speaker:It's aimed at helping people to maintain
Speaker:their health or maybe people with sort of
Speaker:mild health challenges
Speaker:reclaim their health.
Speaker:But I think what I'm interested in seeing
Speaker:the tech, where I'm interested in seeing
Speaker:the technology go would be where,
Speaker:would it be able to help us say issues
Speaker:like, or do you have any plans to
Speaker:integrate it into more
Speaker:sort of acute conditions?
Speaker:So do your autoimmune illness conditions,
Speaker:your things like your post viral
Speaker:fatigues, complex metabolic issues.
Speaker:Do you have any plans in regard to
Speaker:getting the technology to that point?
Speaker:Or is your aim at this
Speaker:point solely preventative?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, this is
Speaker:part of prevention, right?
Speaker:And I think is from fatigue, chronic
Speaker:fatigue to diabetic to early, you know,
Speaker:early sort of cancer markers, and the
Speaker:interconnection between those different
Speaker:things are very important.
Speaker:So obviously, you don't want to through a
Speaker:platform tell someone you have an high
Speaker:risk of developing a cancer.
Speaker:And this is why having a practitioner in
Speaker:the loop monitoring is very important.
Speaker:And I think understanding this sort of
Speaker:biosignals to catch all the deviation
Speaker:before this is start of progressing is
Speaker:definitely a goal, right?
Speaker:So mitochondrial dysfunction in fatigue
Speaker:is identified via genomics,
Speaker:for example, already, right?
Speaker:And then so you tie up the HRB, right?
Speaker:And certain nutrient depletion.
Speaker:And that's already a sort of cocktail
Speaker:that can really help
Speaker:with your chronic fatigue.
Speaker:So what are you deficient on, you know,
Speaker:you're suboptimal in vitamin D, you're
Speaker:suboptimal in vitamin B12, B9, B1,
Speaker:you're, you know, all
Speaker:those different things.
Speaker:And you're very stressed.
Speaker:That's where you start and try to address
Speaker:all those points, and see the change over
Speaker:time and see the symptoms over time.
Speaker:Is it still chronic fatigue now?
Speaker:Well, actually, no,
Speaker:I'm feeling much better.
Speaker:I have a lot, I don't have this
Speaker:afternoon's stop anymore.
Speaker:And oh, maybe it's because you're, you
Speaker:know, your your B vitamins and your
Speaker:vitamin Ds are back to optimal ranges.
Speaker:Because that was your protocol in the
Speaker:last few weeks, right?
Speaker:And you're less burnout because you're
Speaker:implementing breath work on an everyday
Speaker:basis, which only takes you
Speaker:three minutes by the way, right?
Speaker:There's very simple things to reduce
Speaker:cortisol and remove stress,
Speaker:which is just breath work.
Speaker:It's just how breath, right?
Speaker:So it's easy.
Speaker:And there's many techniques I'm not going
Speaker:to go through there, but it's easy.
Speaker:You just,
Speaker:you know, yeah, it's very easy.
Speaker:So, yeah, definitely.
Speaker:I hope you answered your question.
Speaker:No, it does.
Speaker:And you sort of, you've brought up an
Speaker:interesting point about doctors and sort
Speaker:of the systems working
Speaker:alongside physicians.
Speaker:Where do you,
Speaker:obviously, currently you still see
Speaker:physicians as being vital
Speaker:to this picture as a whole.
Speaker:But in the coming years, as you sort of
Speaker:get to this point of AGI, and as the
Speaker:technology was developed, do you think
Speaker:there will still be a place for
Speaker:physicians in this picture going forward,
Speaker:say in the next 10 years?
Speaker:Definitely, because, well, you have the,
Speaker:we talked about the acute care system
Speaker:where you're basically
Speaker:a firefighter, right?
Speaker:But I think doctors should see, see
Speaker:themselves merging instead of like, oh,
Speaker:you're the picture of health, which is
Speaker:the answer mostly when you have a
Speaker:condition, but, you
Speaker:know, your bloods are normal.
Speaker:Looking into guiding someone into
Speaker:improving over time to remove
Speaker:the source of those problems.
Speaker:So I see this physician to be guiding
Speaker:people, users to manage the complexity
Speaker:while AI handled the routine, but it
Speaker:needs to obviously be
Speaker:validated by the practitioner.
Speaker:So this protocol is relevant because the
Speaker:AI looked at all of the data, which will
Speaker:take probably a month to a practitioner
Speaker:to do the Charlo Com works, if you look
Speaker:at a lot of data, right?
Speaker:And this is the, you know, the outcome.
Speaker:And this is actually very interesting for
Speaker:the practitioner because it's a summary,
Speaker:and this is what we should do.
Speaker:And I think we should accept more and
Speaker:more to work this way to use with
Speaker:technology to accept, but actually, yes,
Speaker:there is, and it will be even more
Speaker:better, I would say, at
Speaker:making the right conclusion.
Speaker:Already now in Rajuloji
Speaker:and all those different
Speaker:thing, we, you know,
Speaker:AI is already better.
Speaker:So we need to accept this.
Speaker:That's, you know, and the IQ will be
Speaker:around 1500 within two years, which we'll
Speaker:never be able to do.
Speaker:And it's a way scary, but if we use it as
Speaker:a tool for better outcomes for the
Speaker:physician is better.
Speaker:And then obviously the
Speaker:emotional touch of guiding, right?
Speaker:So a physician
Speaker:will help on, you know, guiding this
Speaker:through the emotion of
Speaker:the thing and supporting.
Speaker:So this compassionate guidance, I would
Speaker:say, that's not something
Speaker:in the eye can do, right?
Speaker:So we need this.
Speaker:So I think the AI will
Speaker:handle the what and when,
Speaker:so to speak, and the doctors will indulge
Speaker:the why and the how, right?
Speaker:This is how I said.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker:And I definitely don't think physicians
Speaker:are going away anytime soon.
Speaker:I do think that ultimately, their
Speaker:positions might change, sort of, as you
Speaker:alluded to, and then they may be almost
Speaker:more patient care coordinators maybe
Speaker:going forward, at least sort
Speaker:of at a sort of a GP level.
Speaker:And then obviously, this integration of
Speaker:AI will really help to just improve
Speaker:patient health outcomes.
Speaker:Because I think that's something that the
Speaker:traditional model really struggles with
Speaker:and is throttled by is just this lack of
Speaker:time as you alluded to at the very
Speaker:beginning of our conversation.
Speaker:It's not that doctors are
Speaker:useless or that they don't try it.
Speaker:They just they are at the mercy of a
Speaker:system that doesn't actually really
Speaker:support patient care.
Speaker:It supports if there's a financial
Speaker:incentive, ultimately, and you are just
Speaker:pushed through, you're given your 10
Speaker:minutes in the doctor's office.
Speaker:Because the system is designed, the
Speaker:system is the problem, right?
Speaker:It's not a doctor, obviously, is the
Speaker:system is designed for the doctor to be a
Speaker:responder, not a curator of care, right?
Speaker:And we want to flip the script here and
Speaker:to just do that to allow the doctor to
Speaker:focus on what is best at.
Speaker:So being human
Speaker:interpretation, complex decision,
Speaker:and, you know,
Speaker:this, again, this
Speaker:compassionate guidance, right?
Speaker:And I think it's also a guiding and
Speaker:helping hand for doctors and
Speaker:practitioners, because nobody wants to be
Speaker:under all this paperwork and to be under
Speaker:the Charler-Cone's work between lab
Speaker:reports sometimes can
Speaker:be, you know, very tiring.
Speaker:And when you realize you're missing some,
Speaker:you know, important information, but you
Speaker:have not been given before, and then you
Speaker:have to redo the whole thing.
Speaker:It's like, all those
Speaker:things can be improved.
Speaker:And that is with the
Speaker:help of digital AI and tech.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I do appreciate that point.
Speaker:And I mean, I think it's that's fairly
Speaker:consistent in any service-based industry.
Speaker:I mean, my parents are teachers.
Speaker:I know plenty of doctors and all of them
Speaker:moan about the amount of
Speaker:administrative paperwork.
Speaker:I mean, yeah, administrative work that's
Speaker:building up is fair.
Speaker:And people are able to spend, in these
Speaker:professions, seemingly are able to spend
Speaker:less time with their patients as they
Speaker:have to deal with more and more red tape.
Speaker:So if this sort of infrastructure going
Speaker:forwards can even offload a lot of that,
Speaker:I think it would just improve outcomes.
Speaker:It's, AI will amplify, right?
Speaker:It will not reflect to
Speaker:come back to the things.
Speaker:And in the VxOS,
Speaker:what we were talking about is helping
Speaker:about detecting subtle
Speaker:trends before base scale, okay?
Speaker:And provide a sort of risk assessment and
Speaker:suggestions already to the doctor.
Speaker:And then this is about
Speaker:automating a health journey.
Speaker:And having done already a
Speaker:bit of a triage and reminders,
Speaker:while the physician will validate,
Speaker:contextualize those insights.
Speaker:And I think this is very important.
Speaker:And make all those clinical decisions on
Speaker:diagnostic and therapies, because you
Speaker:don't want to leave that to AI, right?
Speaker:So yeah, I think it's,
Speaker:yeah, I see the doctors becoming more of
Speaker:a relationship-based care sort of thing.
Speaker:Coaching and patient
Speaker:education and handling
Speaker:Yeah, and I'll see this a very
Speaker:sign-in-bout, sign-in-biotic
Speaker:relationship, right?
Speaker:So the AI will help for the precision.
Speaker:And the doctor again, will bring this
Speaker:wisdom and the empathy, right?
Speaker:Yeah, no, I again, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker:And I think it's just going to streamline
Speaker:healthcare going forward.
Speaker:Thomas, I know we're starting to slowly
Speaker:come up against time.
Speaker:But I'd love to ask you about the pilot
Speaker:project that you have VTX.
Speaker:I think it's based in New York, if I'm
Speaker:not, if I'm not incorrect.
Speaker:Can you tell us a little about that?
Speaker:Excuse me, can you tell
Speaker:us a little more about it?
Speaker:Sort of the good, the bad, ugly, what
Speaker:you've learned and sort of how you sort
Speaker:of envisage the rollout going forward as
Speaker:a result of this project?
Speaker:Well, first, you know,
Speaker:there's a lot of top secret there,
Speaker:to a certain extent.
Speaker:But the, what I can say is, and it comes
Speaker:back to the viewpoint we've just
Speaker:highlighted is, it's really important to
Speaker:have AI and the
Speaker:practitioners, doctors in the same group,
Speaker:and putting all of it within a clinic,
Speaker:which I wouldn't call a clinic.
Speaker:But let's say a wellness hub for
Speaker:precision prevention is very powerful.
Speaker:If you can have an
Speaker:operating system and try to,
Speaker:we have, again, we have a very strong
Speaker:accurate care system in
Speaker:place, an establishment.
Speaker:But what about having an establishment
Speaker:where it's all about predictive
Speaker:prevention in real time, and looking at
Speaker:in a city environment,
Speaker:a smart city, let's say,
Speaker:the doctor is actually monitoring and
Speaker:reaching out to someone when things
Speaker:becoming more or less clinical to stay
Speaker:below that clinical range and make sure
Speaker:that we are in the prevention
Speaker:and real time optimization.
Speaker:And that is possible
Speaker:within a clinic environment.
Speaker:And you can see them
Speaker:as tower control almost,
Speaker:where you can have intervention, targeted
Speaker:intervention in real
Speaker:time for health utilization.
Speaker:And another thing, this is really
Speaker:something that I would
Speaker:like to achieve there.
Speaker:That is the first layer.
Speaker:And the second layer,
Speaker:which is a bit more top secret,
Speaker:but what about creating something that
Speaker:your home is monitoring you?
Speaker:Because, again, those
Speaker:things will start to disappear.
Speaker:And I think with AI, things to like,
Speaker:those dashboard and
Speaker:everything will become ambient.
Speaker:And if your home can track you in the
Speaker:background as an orchestra, you go to
Speaker:your bathroom, you do your daily routine,
Speaker:you do your things, and this data, right?
Speaker:You're urine, your stool sample, your
Speaker:microbiome, you already have like, you
Speaker:know, you can collect
Speaker:hundreds of biomarkers.
Speaker:You're going to put
Speaker:regenerous stuff out of business.
Speaker:Sorry?
Speaker:You're going to put
Speaker:regenerous out of business.
Speaker:Obviously, I'm part of the founding team.
Speaker:But it's a reality, things evolve, right?
Speaker:The only constant is change.
Speaker:And I think it's where it's going.
Speaker:But if you have an operating system, but
Speaker:when you told you with the clinic
Speaker:structure, and the professional,
Speaker:a bit like a tower control of planes,
Speaker:when the red dots, this goes out of path.
Speaker:Oh, let's reach out to
Speaker:this client and invite him.
Speaker:And we already know the reason why this
Speaker:person goes out of the path, right?
Speaker:Because of those markers, if it's fixable
Speaker:by lifestyle, diet and environment, we
Speaker:can give them nudges, specific protocol
Speaker:without them coming.
Speaker:If they need to, if they want to speed up
Speaker:the process, and maybe your hyperbaric
Speaker:chamber is going to help them, because
Speaker:this is post COVID symptoms related,
Speaker:maybe they need a bit
Speaker:more oxygen in their blood.
Speaker:That will be helpful as to that, okay, if
Speaker:you don't want to do
Speaker:that, the still those options.
Speaker:And things are a bit more
Speaker:clinical, you're really
Speaker:suboptimal on those things.
Speaker:Come and do an ID on those things.
Speaker:Maybe, you know,
Speaker:that's real time predictive prevention,
Speaker:and scalable to a level
Speaker:of, you know, smart cities.
Speaker:And then you have a model that you can
Speaker:potentially expand as something that is
Speaker:interconnected, real
Speaker:time, and deliver results.
Speaker:It's incredible.
Speaker:And it's something I'm
Speaker:personally excited about.
Speaker:I think that maybe it's just the inner
Speaker:sort of biology geek in me, but I think
Speaker:having this sort of this information is
Speaker:not only exciting, but it's ultimately
Speaker:sort of just life changing, and it will
Speaker:be life changing for so many people.
Speaker:Thomas, you've been a star.
Speaker:Before I let you go, would you be open to
Speaker:answering a few rapid fire questions?
Speaker:Rapid fire questions.
Speaker:Rapid fire questions.
Speaker:Yes, they're never rapid fire.
Speaker:I have yet to.
Speaker:I think that's normally my fault, but
Speaker:let's see if we can give it a go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:What's your favorite wearable device?
Speaker:Whoop.
Speaker:The reason for this is because I lost two
Speaker:URAR rings in the sea.
Speaker:So I didn't want to lose a third one
Speaker:because, you know, not cheap.
Speaker:And I'm a swimmer.
Speaker:So and I like to swim in the sea and
Speaker:yeah, it just doesn't work.
Speaker:So I whoop.
Speaker:The reason is well, I like to track my
Speaker:workouts and I like to see being working
Speaker:usually under stress
Speaker:and intense, let's say.
Speaker:HRV is a good marker or stress monitor is
Speaker:a good marker for me to look at.
Speaker:And sleep is super important for me if I
Speaker:want to perform what I do.
Speaker:And as training is on a daily basis, you
Speaker:know, I have my time block
Speaker:for it and I like to track.
Speaker:And also if I see that, you know, the
Speaker:combination of too much training and too
Speaker:much work, I know where I need to recover
Speaker:and potentially do something later.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So yeah, this is why I like whoop.
Speaker:And especially now they're launching
Speaker:those health sort of
Speaker:lifespan, health span, sorry.
Speaker:Very excited to unlock this among you
Speaker:like three or four
Speaker:days away of unlocking it.
Speaker:You need it to be 21 days.
Speaker:I just ascribe to it.
Speaker:So let's see.
Speaker:Let's see what it gives.
Speaker:Yeah, that's my answer.
Speaker:Trying to sort of fire it right now.
Speaker:That's fun.
Speaker:That's fun.
Speaker:Like I said, these are never quick.
Speaker:Anyway, yeah, no, I've I saw Chris
Speaker:Williamson had a podcast with
Speaker:the founder of Whoop recently.
Speaker:And yeah, I'm very, I'm looking forward
Speaker:to the new generation there.
Speaker:I'll definitely be emailing you and
Speaker:asking you some questions after the fact.
Speaker:Okay, besides healthcare, what are you
Speaker:most excited about in terms of AI?
Speaker:Which sort of industry do you are you
Speaker:most excited to see it
Speaker:get into and develop?
Speaker:Architecture, design, also something that
Speaker:I really like outside of tech.
Speaker:Yeah, but that's fine.
Speaker:That's a far one.
Speaker:That's a far one.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I know
Speaker:nothing about architecture.
Speaker:If you asked me to build
Speaker:something, it would fall down.
Speaker:So okay, if you could only track one
Speaker:biomarker for overall
Speaker:health, what would it be?
Speaker:I think it would be yeah, I mean, HIV,
Speaker:the reason being is HIV can
Speaker:be a lot of things like stress,
Speaker:obviously the sleep quality, but also can
Speaker:be showing potentially
Speaker:sign of chronic inflammation.
Speaker:If you really don't get this HIV back on
Speaker:track, and especially because once you
Speaker:start linking HIV to over biomarkers,
Speaker:it's become very interesting.
Speaker:And for me personally, it is, but also
Speaker:it's quite accessible, right?
Speaker:You don't need to test and something that
Speaker:is dynamic, which is like as well.
Speaker:So you can quickly change your HIV based
Speaker:on your lifestyle, your
Speaker:diet environment, right?
Speaker:So if I decide to go for dinner tonight,
Speaker:have a glass of wine, I know it's going
Speaker:to be very bad tomorrow.
Speaker:But if I do a breathwork session, or when
Speaker:I go swimming in the
Speaker:sea, it will be to the roof.
Speaker:And so yeah, it's very
Speaker:reactive, which I like.
Speaker:Yeah, perfect answer.
Speaker:Thank you for that.
Speaker:Okay, two more.
Speaker:There's a lot of interest in the sort of,
Speaker:I suppose, the health world at the moment
Speaker:about trying to optimize health sort of
Speaker:based off sort of single gene
Speaker:polymorphisms, like MTHFR.
Speaker:And all of a sudden, if you can try just
Speaker:sort of dial in this one gene, you can
Speaker:improve all aspects of your health.
Speaker:I think I know your answer.
Speaker:Yeah, this is not about MTHFR saying,
Speaker:"Oh, it sounds like a squared world."
Speaker:But I really think it does,
Speaker:especially the way it is used.
Speaker:I think it's overrated
Speaker:to just use MTHFR 100%.
Speaker:It's marketing, I'd say.
Speaker:We know that yes, your genes are
Speaker:important, but a single gene on its own
Speaker:is just one better point is
Speaker:far from the whole picture.
Speaker:And I mean, I've wrote
Speaker:a book about it in 2015.
Speaker:I talk about MTHFR,
Speaker:but alone has little value
Speaker:and always has been my stand.
Speaker:Mitillation pathways are
Speaker:complex and it's not just one gene.
Speaker:You have comped, you have
Speaker:like, there's plenty of others.
Speaker:And also, it needs to be
Speaker:analyzed as a whole, right?
Speaker:We've been moving a context.
Speaker:If you have MTHFR issue and
Speaker:you are a 55 years old woman,
Speaker:it's very different if you
Speaker:are a 25 years old, you go male.
Speaker:And what does it mean?
Speaker:So also, what is your goal?
Speaker:Where are you right now
Speaker:in your health journey?
Speaker:And what are all the other
Speaker:genes, variation and
Speaker:biomarkers that are related to that?
Speaker:So the B-litanins, all those different
Speaker:things, and detoxification pathways.
Speaker:So yeah, sorry, long answer, but I
Speaker:couldn't go forever on this because it
Speaker:doesn't always mean sometimes.
Speaker:I mean, I don't get it, but yeah, I think
Speaker:it's sometimes very much
Speaker:misused for marketing reason.
Speaker:No, I agree completely.
Speaker:And now you've actually answered my next
Speaker:one, which is what you would think of
Speaker:polygenic risk scores.
Speaker:But I think you've already answered that
Speaker:right in the idea that you
Speaker:think it's valuable for sure.
Speaker:Again, because a single
Speaker:SNP is just noise, right?
Speaker:And it has minimal
Speaker:impact and little context.
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:polygenic score, in contrast, I think
Speaker:it's you know, combining thousands of
Speaker:genetic variants into
Speaker:a meaningful pattern.
Speaker:And if you interpret this correctly,
Speaker:they reveal your, you know, your genetic
Speaker:predisposition and your score, your risks
Speaker:of where you should be focusing on.
Speaker:And yeah, it's powerful
Speaker:for prevention, for sure.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely is.
Speaker:Thomas, you've been a
Speaker:star and an amazing guest.
Speaker:Where can people find you if they'd like
Speaker:to connect or learn more about VTAX or
Speaker:your other projects?
Speaker:So Thomas Olivier on LinkedIn,
Speaker:vtaix.health, if people want to join the
Speaker:waiting list, there's a lot
Speaker:of amazing things coming up.
Speaker:The name might change, by the way.
Speaker:Yes, we want to have
Speaker:more of the user interface.
Speaker:But being saved at
Speaker:x.health is the website for now.
Speaker:And yeah, I invite people
Speaker:to be part of this new era.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:And I'm sure the domain will redirect if
Speaker:you do change the
Speaker:name and we'll update it.
Speaker:So perfect.
Speaker:Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker:It's been a pleasure chatting.
Speaker:And I look forward to
Speaker:doing so again in the future.
Speaker:Likewise.
Speaker:Speak to you soon.
Speaker:Thank you very much.
