We’ve got a celebration going on today! Break out the cupcakes. This is episode 25, so I’m changing things up for this one. My friend Janette Gallardo asks ME the questions I’m usually asking my guests. This was her idea because she wanted to know more of my story and thought you, the listener, would want to know too.

She does an outstanding job and even gets me to cry. Clearly you want to hear that part, right?

We chat about the difference between learning and implementing. We can study and learn all day, every day, and it only becomes valuable when you apply that knowledge.

We cover how you are not obligated to stay in a relationship that’s no longer serving you. And,

I absolutely love that Janette shared her belief of “everything that is meant for you is going to happen.”

Here’s to another 25 – ok, let’s get real – here’s to another 125 episodes. Cheers!

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Hello and welcome to this episode of Fine is a

4-Letter Word This is a very special episode because this is

Episode 25 which is quite a milestone because not a whole

lot of podcasts get to Episode 25. I know that seems crazy to

to think about but here we are already at Episode 25. This

one's going to be a little bit different because my friend

Janette Gallardo is on. Did I pronounce that right? Yes, I

did. Okay, so she's on here with me. And she's going to turn the

tables on this situation, and she's going to interview me. So

I'm going to turn it over to Janette, and let her go. And

we'll see where this goes. Welcome, Janette.

Thank you. I'm very excited. And first of all,

congratulations on episode 25. This is very exciting. And

before we begin with the interview, I would like to

introduce myself. So I am Janette Gallardo. I am the

founder of Vitta Solutions. And I do fractional CFO work as well

as money mindset coaching. So yeah, so let's get started. I'm

very excited because as you know, like, I have so many

questions for you like I follow your podcast. And I'm always

intrigued and learning from your guess. But I have always

wondered, like, what about you like I want to get you to know I

want to get to know you more. So this is the perfect episode to

turn things a little bit around and get you on the spotlight and

get for the audience. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that

wants to know you more. So as you know, we always start this

this podcast with a little bit of getting to know you, like a

brief overview of your early life. And we want to know like

what was expected of you growing up?

Yes, I knew you were gonna ask me that, because

that's what I asked everyone. So yeah, my beliefs and values. You

know, one of the ones that came to mind most immediately was

education, education is important. That was always

something that was emphasized in my family. And always and that

is you always have to be learning, like my maternal

grandfather lived to be 97. 96 or 97. And he was always

learning. That's a lifelong thing. So that's great, because

I think that as humans, we should always be learning. The

downside, or if there's a negative side to it is that for

a very long time. And this is something I still manage work on

managing is that I never know enough. Right? Right, right.

Yeah, being in that place of Well, I don't know enough yet. I

still have to learn more in order to do X, Y, or Z. I don't

know enough. So and

I also feel like there's a flip side to

that, because it's great. I think that's a great thing to

have, like you want to develop and grow and learn. But I think

the flip side to that is are you applying it into your life? Or

are you just learning to learn and just going through life

being fine without making any changes? Was that the case for

in like in your family, your grandfather? And like one of the

I guess habits?

That's a good point, because I think that is

something that I have done is go and learn and learn and learn,

but not necessarily implement in the in the past I've gotten

better read in the more recent years but good, good point there

because yes, there is there's value in learning for learnings

sake, but then there's also there's not value if you're not

if you're just learning and not implementing that could be to

your detriment.

Right. Right. Right. And do you find that with

Well, let me jump on to this question because I and I want to

learn more about your program and I was gonna ask with the

program that you're currently running. Do you find that with

your, the the participants that they're like, they have done all

this work on themselves and all the things and you know, like

they audit a play that they have, like they have gained so

much growth, but are they applying what they have learned

or all of the education that they have done? Are they

applying to end their lives? Or is that where you come in and

kind of like help them navigate through Or how does that how

does that look? So walk us a little bit through your program.

And then like your clients, like where are they in? What stage of

their life they're in?

Yeah, I'll do that. And then I also want to go back

and and because there are a couple other things of values

and beliefs that play into some things as well. But yes, one of

the things that the people who participate in my program have

is that they are not new to personal development, like

they've been doing personal development for years. And

really, personal development isn't something where you get to

a point you're like, Okay, I'm done here. It's, it is a

lifelong process of always learning more about yourself,

and how you interact and how you communicate and how you function

in the world. So that is something that they have

experience with, and that they understand is a lifelong thing.

implementation is, like you said, a lot of people learn for

the just to learn and then never implement and that's why the

program has actual exercises, like I hesitate to call it

homework, but there are exercises after every session to

carry out on your own to go do things for example, one of them

in the end well, I'm sure you'll ask me more about this question

because I get it all the time about the three different parts

which is in the fuck being find experience, there's the trilogy

for success. And one of the components of that is gratitude.

And one of the exercises under gratitude is to write three

letters three gratitude letters to people who have positively

contributed to your life in some way and that maybe they don't

know.

I love that. Oh, I love that that's so good.

Like Yeah, then we can we'll continue on diving into cuz I

know you have a lot to share through through throughout but

like Yeah, let's go back to um, what were the beliefs that were

instilled in you and that you picked up?

Yeah, so two more One of them was about being

practical with money that you have to be practical and you

have to be responsible with money. I am pretty sure that my

dad co signed because I can't think of how else I would have

gotten a credit card at 17 but that's when I got my first

credit card and I believe it was a Macy's card because those are

easier to get you know, a store card, but to start building my

credit and to start learning how to be responsible with credit

that savings was always a big thing like I have I have a piggy

bank that is actually a ceramic pig that I have had since I was

a child that thing is still not cracked open it's sitting on my

dresser so money being responsible with money donating

money to charitable causes was always something that was that

was important in my family. So the flip side of that is that I

have a hard time allowing myself treats or doing nice things for

myself because I should be saving the money right it's all

about saving it so you can have it for the future I don't know

what's happening in the future that I need all this money for

but that's that's what I was learning.

So and how have you seen that so aside from

just like, I guess there's this guilt and I can relate to that i

i think that plays I don't know if it just by being a women or

just anybody that money has played has been a big factor in

their upbringing. But how have you overcome that so that you

can actually treat yourself and not feel guilty?

I'm still working on that. I you know, sometimes it's

it's smaller things that Oh, I'll do something like I could

get I could get a cupcake or I could but you know, I could

really use a massage and I have not allowed myself to do that in

a very long time. So it's

We're definitely like booking a

massage after this.

Okay. That sounds good. And then the third thing

was, and I didn't realize that I had learned this until after my

mom passed away seven years ago. But friendships are important.

Friendships have always been important to me. I knew that

part. But I didn't know where that came from and it was came

from watching her I guess from just being around her, she had

friends that she had one friend, my, who we called My Aunt

Carole. They were friends since they were five years old. And

she was still good friends with her college roommate and other

people that she just she had lifelong friendships and I have

the same. And so clearly, I saw that, that she was modeled,

excuse me that she was modeling that for me. And I, I love that.

I love that I have that. I love that she modeled that for me.

Yeah, that is like, so important as like to

have that community and nourish, like, true friendships. That is

beautiful. And that is like, a lot, like, awesome that you have

that in you. And, and I think it is very, I remember like, when I

first met you, I felt that like it just you, you, um, you're

like so welcoming, and so open and just so inviting, that I

felt in and I knew I don't know, I don't know if you knew, but I

knew I'm like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna be good friends.

I love it. Yeah, yeah. And you know, the flip

side of that is that I tend to be very, very loyal to people.

And so I stay friends with people pretty much forever if

you come into my friend world, but at the same time, if if it's

not a necessarily healthy relationship, I might stay in it

too long. Because I am very loyal to that relationship.

So walk me through that, like how does that

look? How do you know when to, um, I guess let go have a

relationship that is not serving you.

Yeah, okay, now you're gonna make me cry. So

that's part of what happened, I think in you know, in my

marriage, because I, this was a person that was, is, he is still

an amazing person. But when the relationship got to the point

where it wasn't really serving either one of us anymore. Yeah,

we stayed in because loyalty because we can make this work

because there's history. Like, that's what you know, a lot of

friendships have this history, and you don't want to give that

up. And so it's, you know, about become realizing that, okay,

you're not giving up the history. You're, you're not

really giving up anything, it's just freeing each other to go on

and live the next season of life.

Yeah, yeah. That's, that's so powerful.

Because I do believe that a lot of people stay in those

friendships and relationships, and just, Oh, I just love that

you're being so like, like, just opening up to us, like love that

because I know, I know, people are gonna, I gonna appreciate it

too. Like to get to see also your world and learn about you.

So thank you, thank you for being so open. Yeah. But as As I

was saying, like, it's so powerful to be able to identify

and identify that, okay, this relationship is no longer

serving us. So let's move forward because it is so easy to

stay as is and that fine, like, We're fine. Like, there's

nothing wrong, it's just that we're just fine. And there's no

longer any inspiration or aspiration, motivation growth

for the relationship either. So that is so powerful that you can

actually look at it and share ish everything that you have had

with that person, but still be able to move forward and let go.

And, and, and I mean, and I keep on coming back to your program,

because I'm like, that's probably something that you that

you covered during your F*ck eing Fine Experience, I'm

assuming Yeah, like, how do you let go

Right, because it takes a lot of courage to to le

go of whether it's a relations ip with a marriage, a partner, w

atever that is, or it's a rel tionship with a job being in a

job for 20 years and just not f eling fulfilled anymore, o

letting go of, you know, you nd I don't have children,

ut people who have children, etting them go, that's wha

you raise them for was to be esponsible adults to let them g

out on their own. All of tho e. Those situations are very d

fficult to navigate through an when I first left my marriage,

eople were telling me how courag ous That was and I'm like, that

s not well, yeah, no, no, no, I idn't see it as being courageous

And looking back, though, ye h, there is an element of

courage to that you have to be willing to jump off the cliff.

Even if you don't see a safe lan ing below you, you don't see

landing at all or your job, don't know where this is go

ng to take me. You have to be willing to move in faith, tru

t and faith. And so that is, t e third part of the trilogy fo

success is courage. The first art is gratitude. The second par

is connections, friendship , connections. And the third

art is courage.

Wow, that and that is so important. And as you

were saying, like, when you love your marriage, and people were

telling you that that was so courageous, and you're like, you

can see that, but it is just trusting the unknown, I think

that's so powerful. And like just trusting that, that

everything that is meant for you is going to happen and, and just

being there and trusting that that that unknown, which is I

think is the most uncomfortable, uncomfortable thing for for us

as humans to do. Um, so how do you how do you walk that walk

and stay trusting that everything is going to work out?

Yeah, well, first of all, I love that you said

everything that is meant for you will happen. That is such a

powerful thing to keep in mind and to you know, put on a

bulletin board or a whiteboard or a post it note and just keep

in your bathroom, or wherever you need it to remind you. Yeah,

one of the tools that I used to help me through that experience

through through that experience, and every day since is

meditation. Oh, yes. And yeah, I mean, there's not really a day

that goes by that I don't meditate for at least five

minutes. I mean, you know, it doesn't have to be an hour. It's

done. There's, there's a Zen proverb that if you don't have

time to meditate for an hour a day, you should meditate for

two. Yeah. But even that you don't have to put an hour into

it, you know, 5, 10, 15 minutes, can be enough to help you feel

grounded and calm and find that sense of peace. And I'm at the

point now where I, it's almost like I didn't brush my teeth. If

I leave the house or get up and get into my day, without

meditating. It's just part of my morning routine at this point.

Yes, I. I love that. Because as you know, I'm

like a big, big into meditating. And that's a big part of my life

as well. And so can you share with us? What does marriage

because I think there's a misconception or people see

meditation as different things and means different things to

different people. Can you walk us through what meditation can

look like? Because there are so many phases of meditation? And

like, how can you actually bring that as part of your routine?

Yeah, you know, I I love that the app, Insight

Timer. Insight Timer, we can put that in the show notes. But

insight timer is an app you can download for free. And there are

100,000 meditations on there. None of mine, but that's okay.

Not yet anyway. Yeah, the so picking up something from there,

you can search by time, if you only have 10 minutes, you can

find it. You can search by topic, whether you want to a

meditation for anxiety, or stress or sleep or whatever it

is. I just find something there. Usually in the for the morning

meditations, I usually find something from there. And listen

to that. So So meditation is not necessarily and I've had clients

tell me that they thought meditation was getting, you

know, sitting cross legged on a mat, in complete silence and

getting rid of all of the thoughts in their head. Yeah,

which is virtually impossible for anybody. So then, they

thought they were doing it wrong, because they couldn't do

that. Yeah. But meditation is really about seeing the thoughts

coming into your head and then coming back to bringing yourself

back to your breathing, the sound of the meditation,

teachers voice, your heartbeat, whatever it is. You're bringing

yourself back to that is actually part of the practice of

meditation is keep bringing yourself back, keep bringing

yourself back. And a lot of people meditation using a guided

meditation, that's not cheating. That's another thing is people

are like, well, I couldn't sit in silence. And it's kind of

cheating if I listen to music or meditation with a guided

meditation, with voice, not cheating at all, because it's

really about calming your nervous system, your circulatory

system, calming yourself, and getting into this place where

you're just grounded and centered, and in touch with your

own inner truth. That's what we don't give ourselves enough time

to do

Yeah, that, that gave me goosebumps. Yes.

It's been like connected to oneself and to our truth. I love

that to our truth. Yeah, I this is the first time I see it that

way, it is our truth. So before I asked you a lot, another

question on the meditation. I have this one, like, How were

you introduced to meditation? Like when when How long have you

been practicing? Like, what was your story with with meditation?

Yeah, my, another great thing my mom did for me,

she did many things as I was growing up. But she introduced

my brother and me to meditation when I was 10. She took us to

this meditation course, that's now known as the Silva Method.

And put us through this course. So I learned how to meditate

when I was 10. But then, I didn't use it for like, the next

35 years. So I don't know why, like, I knew about all the

benefits, and I knew it would help me. And I still didn't do

it. Until until shortly after she passed away. And then I got

back into it because I was looking for some ways to be

grounded and centered and find that sense of peace. And I came

back to it and, and found found some meditations that worked for

me.

Wow, I feel like it was a full circle. So

she prepare you for when she passed.

Now You're gonna make me cry again.

As I'm listening to you, I'm like,

what? So she gave you the tools, but you weren't ready,

because she was preparing you for her passing? Wow.

Sure. I never looked at it that way. That's, yeah.

Yeah, cuz that's the thing, right? Because

we again, for the learning, we learn, we learn, we learn. But

sometimes it's not. It's not the time for us to come in and do

the work. But it's in there. Like we're we have it in as we

have the tools. So when we're ready. It shows that like,

whatever situation that might be, and then we're ready. We

have the tools and we can work on that area of our life. So

it's like a full circle. Yes. Wow, that that, though, whoa.

So insightful of you. Yeah.

Well, that's how I feel things. That's how

things work out. I feel like you were doing all this things. And

sometimes you don't even know that you're already doing the

work until you're faced with a challenge. And you're still like

you're there, where you have been preparing yourself without

knowing to face that challenge and to pull off all those tools

that you learned when you were 10. So it's, it's kind of like

how I see it. But one one question I do have because I

love Love, love your meditations, you actually did a

custom meditation for me. And it was so powerful. So um, I have

been meditating for a couple of years now. And I had never had

like a custom meditation. I didn't even think that existed

until you did my meditation. And I want to share with the

audience because it was awesome. And from somebody that I have

been like practicing meditation, I totally forgot that it was a

custom made meditation because it was so professional and your

voice is so beautiful and so powerful.

But I did not. I did not pay Jeannette to say this. I

didn't even ask her to we didn't discss. Ok. Go on.

I wasn't paid for this. I'm actually like, I

love her. I love her voice and you have like this voice like

you were meant to. Yeah, to speak for us to to help us heal

and your meditation to me, I totally forgot that you had like

it was custom made. And then all of a sudden you're saying things

that like during our conversation that you were going

to up, you know, like to help me with whatever I was working on.

And all of a sudden, like your start bringing in, like I

remember like walking in my grandmother's house and this and

I just started crying. Like I got so emotional, it's just took

me to a different place and a different level of meditating.

So I did want to bring that up because I felt very connected to

your medic, like the way you do your custom meditations. And I

want you, I want you to share with us like how the process of

that, like how do you work with with clients on that, because

they're so at least for me was so powerful. And to me, it's

like, you planted the seed in my subconscious without even

realizing and things. Like, I'd have seen a lot of shifts

through your meditation. So I do believe they're so powerful. So

So walk us through that, like the process and, and, and your

love for them. Because I can feel the love like, like, well,

following your guided meditation.

Yeah, so the custom gratitude meditations are

actually part of the F*ck Being Fine Experience, because that is

in the second part of the trilogy, is connections where we

talk about connections with others. And then of course, most

importantly, the connection with yourself. And so anybody who

participates in the program gets a customized meditation. And

then they're also available outside of the program, which is

is what you and I did with that. But those custom meditations

help people get into this feeling of gratitude, feeling

gratitude, which is one of them more elevated emotions, elevated

emotions, that we that you want to be in, in order to manifest

things in into your life, you have to be vibrating, that's the

word I was looking for, you have to be at a vibration, a higher

vibration. And gratitude is one of the highest vibrations, you

can be at joy, love appreciation, those are the

higher vibrations. And so in order to bring the things into

your life that you want, you have to be matching that higher

vibration. And that's what those meditations do is they help

people to feel gratitude. And I start out by helping clients

feel gratitude for things that have happened in the past and

things that are currently manifested into their life.

Because sometimes it's easier to feel gratitude for those things

you can remember. And then I carry that through into feeling

gratitude for those things that you are working on manifesting

into your life feeling gratitude for them as if they are already

here. Because that is the key. That's the that's the trick, if

you will, to getting them to manifest faster. And if people

don't like the term manifest. The other way to phrase that is,

is achieving goals. Yes, yes. So getting to those goal

achievements faster. When you are visualizing and meditating

on those things. They happen faster.

Yes. Oh, that makes so much sense. Because as

I'm thinking of the meditation you did for me, and you were

asking me because I was wondering, why are you asking me

all these questions, but now it makes sense, because you asked

me like, tell me about a time or place or experience where you

felt that like gratitude where you fell in love where you fell

in love? Joy? See. Yeah. And then as you're walking me

through my meditation, you're like, you're dropping those

insights in there. And the most powerful thing is that it feels

like I don't know, I felt like I was paying for this, like, you

know, like, high end meditation. So that's what I loved about it,

because I I totally forgot that it was my own. And I love how

you walk me through it and and you said me at first, I felt the

emotions in my body. Yeah, when you were walking me through it,

I felt that and it felt so real. Like, I mean, I started crying.

I wasn't sad. It was like this. crying like I felt so connected

to those feelings, that it brought tears to my eyes. And

then as you started walking me through the future, and my, what

I wanted to manifest are my goals. And they felt so real.

And it's just an it's one of the meditations that I keep on going

back to and it's, it's so it's so amazing. I'm always amazed.

how things are start, like start showing up because it does play

in your subconscious and, and as you said, like staying in the

higher state of vibration is gonna help you move forward

towards those goals or toward manifesting. So that makes total

like now I can see like how, how that is connected? That is so

awesome.

Yeah. And I get that feedback from a lot of people

that I've created them for the same thing. It's this. Yeah,

it's a feeling that you can't get from any other kind of

meditation.

Yes. And I felt that in for people that

haven't tried them, I highly recommend them. Like, it's such

a mean, I'm why I'm saying it for me as that I truly like. I

mean, I love them. And I do believe that people would

benefit from those, even the ones from your podcast, like at

the end of every episode. They're like, so good. Like I

love like, listening to those as well, though. Yeah,

yeah. And I really enjoy creating them, which is I

think part of the feeling that you get is because I'm putting

energy into them. And I love it. And yeah, so yeah.

I love that. So let me ask you this, because

I mean, I have so many questions for you. And I know I'm going

all over the place. But I wanted to ask you, how long were you

stuck in fine? And how long did it take you to realize that you

know, like, how was how was the process for you? Like, did you

know you were stuck in fine for a long time, but you didn't have

the courage to move forward? Or did you realize that all of a

sudden, like, oh, like walk us through that? How did it show up

Yeah, yeah, I will answer that question. And it

for you?

was, and I think for most people, it you know, you know

that you're in fine for a long time. Because find is

comfortable. It's like a warm blanket. You don't want to get,

you know, warm blanket on a cold day, let's say. You don't want

to leave it because again, it comes back to it's scary. And so

I mean, I don't I probably knew for 10 years. But I kept

thinking that I we can fix this, it can get better, it can be

better than fine. It will just yeah, we can do this, we can do

that we can, I can work harder, I can make it happen. Because I

didn't know I didn't want to do the hard thing. No, I didn't get

married thinking that I was going to get divorced. In fact,

that's my parents got divorced when I was about 11. And I

always said that's something I'm never going to do. And I

deliberately looked. In my head, I made the choice. But it wasn't

until I looked back. Like I didn't only date people whose

parents had been married forever. But that is who I ended

up marrying was somebody whose parents were married for 50

years. I don't remember how old I mean, they were married for

their entire lives. Yeah. And because I thought, okay, I want

somebody who knows what that is like. And that is who I married.

And it still didn't work for me. So but yeah, it, it takes a long

time to build up the courage to come to the edge and jump.

Right. And then when you were ready to make

that, I guess, decision to move forward. What tools did you use?

To get you through them?

It was again, it was meditation for the most part.

Yeah, I'm in starting, I started meditating before I actually

left but yeah, using using meditation. And, and just

getting to the point, you know, again, after my mom passed away,

and that was still four years before I left the marriage. But

because she was only 73. And I don't think it really matters.

She could have been, you know, 103 you start looking at your

life going all right. Do I want to live the next 20 years the

same way I lived the last 20? And if the answer is no, what

are you going to do about it? And that's what kept going in my

head of Alright, what am I going to do about it? What do I how do

I want to live differently?

And that Yeah, and that is I think the question

that not a lot of people well, maybe they get to ask that

question for themselves, but they just neglect the like. I'm

fine. Like, why would I go through all of that? Like, you

know, like the comfort of just showing up to a marriage that

maybe doesn't make me happy, but I have all this other things to

make up for it.

Right. Right. At least I know what I have here.

Exactly, exactly. And the distractions,

like I feel like we almost kind of like turn into, like, we

start brainwashing ourselves and like, find distractions. So we

don't have to deal with that, even though we know we have to.

But that's one of the the things that I believe keeps us there.

Um, so. And sometimes I almost feel like when you, you're you,

you have done all the work, you're outside of fine. But

you're still have more work to do. Yeah. Do you find that?

Yes, for sure. Because I have tremendous amount

of guilt. We are being honest here, which I am. Yeah, for even

now, I've worked through a lot of it. So I don't have nearly as

much but those first year, first year for sure. Even the second

year, so much freaking guilt because I was the one who said,

we need to move past you know, we I was the one who left. I was

the one who initiated it, even though he agrees that the

relationship wasn't serving either one of us. And in fact, a

bout a year ago, we were having a conversation. And he's he's

the one who said, in order for us to if we were ever to get

back together, we would have to sacrifice and individually

sacrifice too much of who we are, to make it work. And that

was so profound for me. He was saying that because he knew I

was still dealing with a lot of guilt from it. And he was trying

to help me work through that. Hmm, which is a tremendous. See,

now you just keep taking me into a crying place. tribute to who

he is.

Hmmm. Yeah, wow. And that is, I feel that

and by the way, tears, I find tears beautiful. So not shaming,

crying, I appreciate all emotions, and they're beautiful,

and they make us human, and they make us connect to others. So

thank you, thank you for for sharing, sharing with us. Um,

but I was gonna say, that piece where you're like, Okay, I'm out

of fine. And I and I am doing better. But I do find that it's

always we always have to work on ourselves, even when we're

outside of flying, even when we have done all the work, there's

always more work to be done. So we don't get a get, we don't, we

don't find the next 2.05 version of us, you know, like right now.

Like, you have to keep on going and doing the work. And I and I

do believe that's what you do in your program with those women

that, uh, you know, like they they are, um, they have done all

the work already there outside of fine or they're trying to get

outside outside of fine. And they don't want to get stuck in

the Fine, fine 2.0 version of themselves. So walk through

that.

That's a that's a great, a great analogy or a

great way to put it. And yeah, you know, I don't I will talk

about that. And then we can since we kind of brought it full

circle back to the whole idea of that education and learning is a

lifelong process. And then we can we can wrap it up because we

could go on forever. But yeah, I like to keep them a little bit

condensed. Um Yeah, I mean, that's part of the the program

is really just about giving people tools. It's

accountability. It's a group program because groups tend to

you know, you have the support of each other. So when I do

private client, which I do also, but I that you know, you have me

as the support. But when you have a group then you have a

small, small tribe, to support you as well to share ideas to

share experiences to help everybody feel like okay, I'm

not alone in this. I'm not the only one who feels guilt around

this. I'm not the only one struggling with meditating or

I'm not the only one struggling with making these decisions,

whatever it is, finding purpose. The it is it's a lifelong

ongoing experience, which is why we need to know why there are so

many different programs, so many different books, so many

different podcasts. There's there's perspective from every

single one of them that is different and useful.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. So yeah, for

sure. It's always a work work to be done and, and growth is just

consistent every day type of thing. So finally our last

question to end today's interview. In baseball, there's

what's known as your walk up song. What is yours? The one

that pumps you up. The one that gets you ready? Yeah.

So you're asking the girl who has spent time as an on

air radio personality who loves music? And that's why I

implemented this question in my podcast. So I of course have so

many songs and I make my guests choose one. So if I had to only

choose one, it would probably be Carrie Underwood's Champion.

However, it could also be Van Halen/Van Hagar because that's

what the era was, but their song Right Now.

Oh, I love that.

So I will put links to both of those in the show

notes and and P!nk. I mean, almost everything P!nk. Her

songs totally get you pumped up. Yeah, those are

I love those like they also the contrast of

each of them. Love love.

yeah, I diversity, diversity and music tastes for

sure.

I love that. So well, thank you. Thank you

for opening up to us and sharing your story. And I love that we

get to learn more about you and who's behind the microphone and

the interview. So thank you and gratitude.

Thank you Janette for being such an amazing host

of my own podcast. And for offering to in fact suggesting

this was your idea to do this episode and I thought it was

such a great, great thing to do for Episode 25. So thank you so

much for joining me here on Fine is a 4-Letter Word.

Thank you have a beautiful rest of your day.