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Refugees or Racists? Inside the South African Asylum Debate
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In this gripping episode of Need to Know, Dr. Nsenga Burton examines the heated debate surrounding the granting of refugee status to white South Africans. With a deep understanding of South Africa’s political history, Dr. Burton dismantles the widely circulated claim that white farmers are fleeing targeted violence, revealing instead a legacy of land inequality rooted in apartheid that remains unresolved. Despite post-apartheid promises of land reform, most of the South African land is still controlled by the white minority. Dr. Burton also shines a light on documented cases of racial violence committed by some of these farmers, raising critical concerns about the potential consequences of welcoming them into the United States. She warns that this policy risks importing not just people, but entrenched ideologies of racism, antisemitism, and white supremacy. In a powerful call to action, she urges Americans to contact their legislators and reject this refugee proposal before it opens the door to more hatred and division on U.S. soil.


▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction to Need to Know

00:17: The Bogus Refugee Scheme

00:53: Historical Context of Land Ownership in South Africa

03:49: Current Issues and Incidents

06:21: Call to Action

06:53: Conclusion and Farewell

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BEP Narrator:

A Black Executive Perspective.

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Now presents Need to Know with

the award-winning hyphenated Dr.

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Nsenga Burton.

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Dr.

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Burton, what do we Need to Know?

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

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Good afternoon and welcome

to Need to Know with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton.

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I am she.

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Today I wanna talk to you about, um,

what is happening with our country.

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Participating, creating, um, what

I call a bogus, uh, refugee scheme

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for white to South Africans.

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Um, and I wanted to tell you this

because I actually lived off and

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on in South Africa for eight years.

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So I do have experience living over

there and I am very familiar with the

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politics and I've had written extensively

about South Africa, uh, for many years.

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Um, I say all of that to say that this

whole idea that the farmers are being, um.

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Our fleeing violence is false.

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Uh, in South Africa, if you look at

the:

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apartheid, uh, blacks could not own land.

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If they had land, it was taken from

them and redistributed to whites.

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Um, they also could not partner with

non-black, uh, with and with non, um,

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black South Africans to even acquire

land That way, it didn't matter if

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they got married, it didn't matter.

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Um, and marriage was illegal too,

but you know, if they partnered with

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somebody, they just couldn't do it.

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So, um, what has resulted is, is

the fact that 72% of the land in

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South Africa is owned by whites and,

uh, these are white people who came

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from different parts of the world.

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Germany, uh, you know, you

know, um, England, um, you know.

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And they, they have different names,

Africaners, Boors or what have you.

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Um, if they're Dutch,

things of that nature.

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The point is this, they all

came here for nefarious reasons.

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Nefarious reasons, and that was

to, um, you know, participate, um,

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eventually to participate in apartheid,

which was eradicated, um, when

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Nelson was freed and all the things.

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But what I want you to say,

what has not been eradicated.

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Is the right sizing of the resources

that were stolen, um, from blacks,

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um, during the apartheid era, and

that one of those things is land.

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So the farmers own 72% of the land.

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Black South Africans only

own about 4% of the land.

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And when apartheid happened

or ended rather when apartheid

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ended, there was supposed to be

what is called a land transfer.

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Blacks were supposed to receive their

land back, but because they were so

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economically disenfranchised, and there's

a lot of reasons, well, I don't have time

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to go into all of the 25 reasons, but

the one of the most important reasons

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is because they were so economically,

economically disenfranchised.

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Many of them were not in the

position to receive the land and

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be able to take care of the land.

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Because when you are kept without

resources, when you live in abject

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poverty, I don't know if you all have

seen Mandela Homes, where Mandela, when

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he came out, he's like everybody else.

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Every South Africans gonna have a home.

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It's usually one room.

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Is corrugated still?

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Um, four.

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You know, three sides

or corrugated stills?

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Corrugated still over the top.

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Nothing in the front.

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Alright, so when we talk about

poverty, it's poverty that the

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United States has not seen.

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So when y'all are like, why are they

doing all this stuff for Africa?

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Why is Steve Jobs giving

this stuff to Africa?

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Go visit.

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And you will see why any country and

it's beauty in Africa is cosmopolitan.

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I love, it's one of my

favorite continents.

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They have wonderful countries.

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They have a lot of wonderful

things happening there too.

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So I don't wanna, uh, be pejorative.

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What I am saying is, um, that there

is poverty that you will never

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see in the United States there.

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Okay?

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Um, and so you don't understand it unless

you've seen it and, and, and witnessed it.

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The point I'm trying to make is

they own, that would be the white

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South African, 72% of the land.

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There was a case in February of 2025 that

is this year where a white, um, farmer ran

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over and killed three black school girls.

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This is a man who has a drinking problem.

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He has killed someone before.

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Um, and he was, oh, fled the scene.

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It has not been charged with a crime.

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We are in June of 2025 and still

has not been charged with a crime.

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Now, that doesn't happen all

the time, but it has happened

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consistently over the years.

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Right?

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So the last one, the, the next one

I'm thinking about was the 20 23 1.

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Before that was 2021.

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So every couple of years you

have a white farmer exacting some

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type of violence against blacks.

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Typically, school children

are people who are vulnerable.

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I say all of that to say, do

not believe what you hear.

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We do not need to have white

South Africans here in the United

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States, particularly in my home

state of Virginia, because we do

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not need more white supremacy here.

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In addition to that, the white South,

and this is not all white South Africans.

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This is not all white South Africans.

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I'm talking about Africaners.

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I'm talking about Bos, I'm

talking about those folks.

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I'm talking about the

Elon Musks of the world.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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They are also antisemitic.

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So they're not only racist against blacks

and other people, they are anti-Semitic.

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So we're in a country that is having more

and more increasingly, um, anti-Semitic

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incidents and violence against Jewish

folks, and we say We're against it.

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That's what we keep saying.

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Oh my God.

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We're gonna say even 47 antisemitism

will not stand here, even though

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I'm surrounded by Antisemites.

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Okay.

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No problem, but what, what is coming

to the United States is more hatred.

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These are people who, um, and I'm

sure most of you know this, and if

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you don't, you should know that, uh,

apartheid was established based on

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the Jim Crow, um, system that was

in the United States of segregation.

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So they use that as the blueprint for it.

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Um, but we do not need more 40 sevens

and musks here in the United States.

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We don't need the vitriol.

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We don't need the venom.

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Uh, one of the South Africans

who came here already has killed

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his wife since he's been here.

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Um, look that up.

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'cause I know they're not

reporting on that either.

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That's why y'all gotta read the bird wire.

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Okay.

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Shameless pug.

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I'm back.

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Um, but what is most important

is you cannot bring people

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who are, who are hateful.

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They hate black people.

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They hate people of color.

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Um, they hate, um.

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Jews, they're antisemites.

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So we don't need that in this country.

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So what you Need to Know is you need to

contact your Congress people and tell them

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to stop with this bogus refugee scheme.

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They are not fleeing anything.

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They own most of the land.

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And the same thing that happens

everywhere in the world.

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That's why wars are fought over land.

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Uh, that means they are empowered.

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I mean, and like ridiculously empowered.

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So much so that they can run over three.

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Not one, not two, but three black South

African school girls and not get charged.

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And we got a black

president in South Africa.

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How about that?

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All right, so thank you for tuning in.

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Please contact your Congress people

and let them know to stop the bogus

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scheme, um, because it really is in

play, I believe, um, to make sure

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that we bring more people here.

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Who are not woke, um, as they say it.

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We haven't used woke in years.

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Like they sound crazy when they say it.

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It was just so, just not

with the times, but whatever.

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Um, but who are, um.

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Um, you know who tr who, who

traffic in sexism, racism, misogyny,

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um, antisemitism, xenophobia.

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These are the people that they are

bringing here, and we don't need any

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more of that in the United States.

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Thank you for tuning in.

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Please tune in next week

to Need to Know with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, and of course, always join.

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award-winning podcast, um, that

gives you all sides of the debate.

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