00:00:31Welcome to the third pedal, podcast recorded at the Vandal Lounge. In beautiful Southeast Portland, Oregon. Why the third paddle? Because even the most badass entrepreneurs get stuck up in Business Management. Consultant, Jennifer McFarland is your third paddle, helping you get unstuck.

00:01:43I'm super excited about this episode. Not only has sent it by my bestie for 20 years. She's also had an amazing life and knows so much about storytelling. Send a Scarborough is an award-winning journalist and emmy-nominated producer. She is the founder of Centre Matic, media focusing primarily on screenwriting journalism and nonfiction projects. Her work has appeared in adweek into USA Today. E-news US Weekly Magazine and Asheville poetry review among others. She currently serves on the board of directors for the national gay and lesbian journalist Association. She holds an MFA in creative writing and writing for the Performing Arts from the University of california-riverside Palm Desert. She lives in Los Angeles with her wife and my other besties Katie, and their dog Sadie. Find her on social media at Cintas car.

00:03:20You better writer and Storyteller for as long as I've known you. When did you realize how important writing and stories? Aren't you a question questions? I think to remove balls from the time. I can tell you the first time. The writing was the first time that I was ever like, told I did something. Well, something that I got notice. I remember, I think it was like, 1st, 2nd 3rd grade or something like having a poem or something or something. I'd written. And I remember it being, like, put up on the wall in the classroom and I thought, okay, you know, I don't know how I felt exactly, but I, but I knew it was something different, right? I knew that it was something that I had done that when unique enough, that I got some attention for it, but I think, you know, I grew up in a family where everyone's would have had their own way of artistic expression. My mom was an artist with our teacher and so going out there always playing in clay or

00:05:20Six going on. Seven look it actually has me like I written that with the title of it with my age and how I was getting ready to burn a new age and poems and that was it. And inside I had like maybe 5 to 10 different pollens, I'd written. And you know, like I remember one of them was something along the lines of like mothers, do what they must do and fathers do, what? They can not the exact thing written better that I'm like, telling it. But I always remembered that cuz I was like, that's real interesting like inside at, like 6 or 7 about like, but I have a bunch of those like that. It wasn't later, I think until I became a journalist that I realized that stories aren't just great for, you know, convenient.

00:07:20Gordon Hayward and the kind of work that I was doing the kind of work that I do with my life until I was in Arizona. As a reporter for I met, you typical kind of boring story and there was a woman and basically stories about how she was from a credit from Christian faith and had three different culture to is like an Indian family that lives next door. And how originally there was some like it shoes in the neighborhood because they cook their food. People would smell these odd smell and it would travel armed people and stuff. Well, somehow the two people lived next door and the adversity, ended up becoming a sharing of culture and a sharing of like personal lives and they became part of the black watch. But in that the woman told me a story about how she had cancer has cancer and it wasn't really part of the story, but it wasn't what I was going to write for the newspaper, but she told me about her fight with

00:08:37What I do for a living. What I did mostly for a living, then was far less about actually getting the story and putting it in the newspaper, but it was bearing witness. It was holding space for people in a way that I could let them have an opportunity maybe for the first time and their lives to share something about themselves in a really mean way to somebody who is a train objective listener.

00:09:44And tell stories better than anyone I've ever met in my life. And I've often, like, if anybody out there, has watched the movie big fish that sent his dad. Every time I see that movie, I think about you, and that it's inspired by his father. So, you know, he definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. I appreciate that, especially since he passed this past year. So, yeah, and so I wonder sometimes if you take for Grant, if you growing up, didn't realize how important stories were because you were in the midst of this great Storyteller who probably just come home from work and tell you. I was day was and it was like this. I mean he could tell anything and make it seem super exciting just like you can definitely. I mean, I think you know, you don't really

00:11:34Can't leave them behind all of you. I mean, their stories today. I will never ever forget, that will always hit me at times and and Ale me out like, you know, I can't crying. I mean, like it, there a change your life. And I do think that I got to a point where I really was tired of what I did. I was tired of being a vehicle for stories. I knew the importance, I there so many wonderful things about being a journalist and reporter it. And I'm so glad that I am still one or many levels today and I'm glad that I did that, you know, so much a part of my journey but like you do and there's a part of, you know, journalism, you know, it's great when you can do the money and you can pay your government or you can ask the president or you can clean up a dump site. That's got toxic chemicals. Like I did want, you know, like those kinds of things are great because you really see the effect. But you know, I also felt like I had a lot more in common with police off.

00:13:34I started my own stories and that's why I think I certainly appreciate it. Right? Cuz I was like, I was getting older and the stories that I thought were important because I couldn't tell in The Newsroom because I couldn't get all the information on the record there. So many great stories that need to be told that if people if you can't verify them, right and you can't get people on the record that you can't tell them. So they're a lot of limitations for me, being able to find a place where I could tell stories that I can control and I can have the narrative and I could also be imaginative and use my own life story. Two kind of infused with a place where I really started to understand sort of how much they meant to me because then going to get my work so hard, perfecting to views on others and turning on my cell.

00:15:25My first job and I worked around-the-clock a covered like over 20 beats everything from nonprofit to city council to like the Utility Board to the Housing Authority. I mean, so they're people like a small town the middle and middle-market an even larger markets that are you know, they going to make a decent hour. They make a living wage but it's it's not glamorous and people I think off and look at the movies and they think about jobs and the things that they get to see and experience. And I mean that is part of the great part of it and you just be going to go behind, you know, the Velvet ropes, go behind the crime scene tape the little bit and see a part of the world and understand some things that other people never will. But, you know, it's a lot of work. I mean, whatever. You're, you know, it doesn't matter. Like when I got married, the first time in Portland, I was literally in the elevator coming down with my wife and there was the phone and it was The Newsroom and they needed to verify some facts on the story that I'm going to.

00:17:25There's a lot that goes into it and these people just do really important work. I mean, you know, they raised it me, no attention to issues that that help save lives, change, lights, change communities. And it's not, you know, you really get anybody thinking, you know one, you know, you rarely get most people don't reward. Most people don't get thank you. Use our phone calls. Usually but I was in Arizona, I would get phone calls. Me. I'm going to hell when I was evil because I was writing about, like, Hispanic people because there's all the Border stuff going on, you know, and it wouldn't even be going to be about it because there was so much hate and animosity about about an issue that we just talked a liver into whatever you were doing, you know, so fake news is, it's horrible. We've been through back in the sink, the thirties. I hope I'm a yellow journalism. So it's not unheard of. I know we're going to get through it. I think they were sort of experiencing something where

00:19:25All kind of made it so that everybody sort of responsible on some level. I just don't think they were all quite right quite there yet, you know. And I think so many people, you know, everybody wants to hear what they want to hear. They want to know that they want to get their point of view. Backed up. They want to find the fax, it said back up what they think. And I think that that's natural, but I also think that if we're going to be good citizens, they have a better job of that. We have to understand that we have to go out and see companions in our own. And I think that's something that could start in school. You know, I mean, we need to learn more about like what government really is. I totally agree. That's why I get so frustrated with things like the school district, or the whole state of Texas or just particular school districts. That wanted to not discuss Hillary Clinton or Helen Keller anymore cuz they weren't quote like popular stories anymore because it's depressing part of the history. And in this case, it's depressing women's history.

00:20:42I think you're right. I'm in the South. You know, I mean, we didn't really hear a whole lot about, you know, white supremacy or, you know, the Civil War isn't, you're not that it's a bad thing, right. That is something to be proud of, and it's right, you know, and it's interesting cuz we're still, like, through the really interesting at the time in this world where we're trying to do is fake news. We're also trying to deal with the largest rise and white supremacist views than we've had in decades. And I think that there's a coincidence. I think that you know, when you try to change the narrative so much, you know, and you don't have facts, then you can, you can you can have these kind of delusions. And that's kind of what happens, a lot of parts places in this country is a week.

00:22:29Suicide and my family on parents. Split up is very hard on me and I ended up having sort of a near-death cocaine addiction and that are needing to get away from that and needing to find new friends and find a new way. I return back to college. I left for like a year in the play, my freshman in my truck. We're going back for my real software your I guess you say and I threw myself in politics is a man love and I threw myself into the political party that was closest and also to the one that was Infamous for say, no to drugs, the Republican Party rehabilitation program. And so, I spent a couple of years. There, right eye. I worked for the Android.

00:24:22And so I went up to him and he is not being very Charming. She signed it and that photograph is enough in the Washington Post Paparazzi. I'll never forget present and I was leaving this whole thing and they're like in because it was such a huge historical moment. Because Virginia's, perhaps come like, they were my magazines like everywhere. And I just remember like having all these photos like drivers around me and a slight chanting and then lie Governor while we're coming up and finding it is to describe something that I sent like three apologized on Twitter to him.

00:25:20Chanting something quite opposite.

00:26:25When I did, I done went completely opposite right but and I did a few things like I started off doing some protest on the other side of things, you know, programming and pro-choice. When I was my first story. I think it's a story. I wrote was anti-abortion column for the paper. So I did get into more democratic policies and was interested in politics. Are the five major? But I stopped because it became a journalist because I understood all through when I was doing the whole like a journal something that, you know, like, I not only learned about the some of the bad things about conservatism, but I also understood that I had a good editor about what journalism we met. And I knew that like, if I'm going to be a real journalist that I needed to take all that little little confused and stuff like that and put them aside and

00:28:25Third District, we went door to door and she wants which I'm really happy to have you to say. But some so, you know, the question about like what they eat. Is there anything that I learned about them and what they have in common is the price of rising. I'll see this. I think that, you know,

00:29:45Everyone in politics on both sides. Come down to some basic things. They either do it out of fear or hate out of Hope or operation. And I think those kind of like, you know, even though there's a basic human instinct. I think that's really where at all kind of comes from and so was surprising in all of that to me is that we really do sort of have this, now, look like we all kind of come to these things. We just have different ways of looking at them or more or less. More importantly. I don't think we think so much. I think it's mostly how we feel and how we vote those things. And so there's a lot of opportunity I think for people to really make right change by kind of dissecting that back and figuring out like, where do we have commonality?

00:31:34They have to say and I think that's where all the stuff comes from. You know, it's where can you to come from is where it's how we how we create, you know, all of us around a fire and start to share resources and and share her. We all are. And you know how that kind of magic that happens is as being Community, you know, so it's kind of cool.

00:32:09But people can only push me so far and how they joke with me and make fun of Idaho. Because it's almost like I can make jokes cuz I'm from there, but don't don't make me feel bad or don't. Don't make the people of, for where I come from sound stupid. Like I there's boundary is right. And and, and one of the things that I've always loved about your stories nnk2, your wife stories also is how Artful you are at your descriptions of Appalachia. If I could learn to say Appalachian instead of Appalachian because you've taught me how to say it, right? I know. So, I mean, you've dispelled so many rumors and, and untruths about Appalachia for me. And I think that might be part of all of our stories. So why do you think we defend our homes? So fiercely

00:34:07What types of people, and all of those relationships are born. They're first born, they're right. There are origin stories. And I think, when I look at like movies and some of my favorite movies are like the Dark Knight where we get to like, find out like how old is like, you know, Batman become Batman, I love that kind of stuff and I think that the reason that the first and the origin stories are so important because it's where we create the standard me. It's are like Line in the Sand. It's it's our compass that we based and judge everything else again, and so we can hate it. We can love it. We can revolt against it, we can lean into it. We can adapt it and create it until whole thing. Is that first like modeling clay that we get that we can scope our identity and Sue and I think that so whenever anybody messes with it,

00:35:40So that's what I say. So I just got back a couple weeks ago from what's called Hampton Roads or Tidewater Virginia. And because I had mentioned earlier, my father, the Storyteller and we decided to take his his ass and take him to the ocean. And so, for Christmas, we went back and we went to Williamsburg and got a timeshare and then we went back and took, you know, my niece and nephew had never seen where we grew up, who had heard all these stories about this grandson that and it's where my brother burned down almost burned down the entire woods behind our apartment complex. And I'll let you know, like a tourist visa on your family, our family reunions with old friends. I brought my brother's best friend by Franklin and I we all get together for breakfast and hung out and it was like a maze it. But what really was a powerful tool?

00:36:47I can't describe it a word which is something. I mean if muscle memory, there's a DNA is all there when you're from a place that and you haven't been there. And in thirty years that you seem you feel a presence that is so it was hard for me. Like, when I was driving and for the first time, I just couldn't stop crying. I was seeing things and it wasn't even like seeing a sign that said, Norfolk her or Virginia, Beach or whatever, Hampton. It was like I saw that there was water in the woods and you looked out. And, you know what, I miss the most is that a group on Peninsula, which very few people do. I mean a peninsula is a body of land surrounded by completely all three sides of water. And so every where I grew up, it didn't matter where I was going. I'm going over a bridge or

00:38:30The really important thing, you know, we don't we don't really give them the kind of, I don't know. We don't really give them the respect. I think that maybe they deserve sometimes home there, people that I know that, you know, have lived in their Hometown, their whole lives and could never imagine leaving. And I know, you know, people like that Maita and they're people like myself who got to get out of this place is like holding us back and legs never looked really important thing for me. Being able to go back and leg start to understand the importance of had in my life and my family's life and in the present, you know,

00:40:02There's it's it's so cellular. I think you know, that's why some animals don't movie. I mean if you think about you, you know, and it's in August recycled whatever you believe one of your belief system is. We are the stuff of other stuff and there is there is something I know. It's like one of those amazing trips of my life to be able to like honor my father and his storytelling and read a poem that I wrote for him at the beach with my family at the beach that we went to in Sandbridge where we would go and my dad would cook hot dogs wrapped in bacon with cheese in the middle and it was delicious. They're like so good man. The cheese, my dog is amazing and we would go bodysurfing all day and it looks the same, the place we found it. We didn't even know if we could find where we were. We like when. And where

00:42:01You inspiration. Hope, you know it, it all these wonderful things can come from it. And I feel like it's that same saying that light does, and it was like that. They're like, it was the amazing to be able to go back and the share with the future with my, my, you know, my nephew, who's the namesake William creamer, Scarborough the fifth and Maggie my knees like to be able to show them these. It's a little off topic but like I I highly encourage people when it comes to, you know, we're all going to die and leave this place. And we all have loved ones that we're going to have to get ready to lose. But being able to do this and have like a road trip where we told stories and we shared stories and then we shared new things and then created something new. Again that can continue to live on in their lives and memories will have forever. I don't know if I'll ever do anyting, that's more meaningful in my life.

00:43:31Yeah, and what do you think we can learn about ourselves from the stories that we tell?

00:43:41Having lens on myself. It's it's amazing to me how he likes it or not? We constantly create our own narrative bright, as Mater, like-for-like bit. Like whether you are business person, mean I have job. What are your legs for yourself? And I tell this to a lot of my writer friends, and I, and I actually did a workshop at my University of about a month or so ago about, like being your own brand and it sounds kind of like she's in business and you know, I mean, I kind of like not in that.

00:45:19Or whether you're like super traditional Christian and Catholic or Buddhist or find out into whatever you are. You like. I think story allows you to go back and figure out what's really important to you. The things that you decide when you like 6,000 times in your life and you told us stories to yourself and others is important. And if you don't know why, then you should look back and figure that out for yourself because they're meeting there for you. I mean, it goes without saying, I guess we don't say it enough. But like, stories, or where we create meaning narrative is where we create meaning, you know, like meeting isn't just out there. Like, we have to put our personal experience and our personal connection to things around us for the same places or people to create meaning. Sometimes we do that through like a worldview, like a political views from Tempe to do it through like a religion. Sometimes we just do it ourselves, like, we tell stories. And I think that for me, when I started to like, go back to drive to

00:47:19Show me that one. That's like my dad was always a something that I've been asking other people that tell stories and stuff to do. So I started going. Okay. Well, I never met any of them down. So I started writing down and that's so I think that like, when people take time to figure out what their origin story is, right? What are those stories? That Define who they are? What are those moment? Whether they're like present-day weather there, 20 years ago, ten years ago, who sings it when they started going? Well, that's when I really became like the person who like loves the environment and I did this, like, why is that? I think when you do that, it really helps you and it helps you and lots of ways. And it's not just like, you know, a healing thing is good for you to understand who you are. But it's a way that you can kind of communicate. That's in the world. I mean, and that was Lee all about the beginning, right? We all start telling ourselves in front of yours are stories because we're worried about telling our friends are stories.

00:48:36The story. When I knew that you would be my friend is not. I don't think less. I'm misremembering it. I don't think it's actually about you. It was actually listening to you. Tell the story about the burrito, getting hit in the back seat of a police car and it was the way that you told it and it we just laughed so hard. I mean, your tell you get to the punch line that flake and then I hit the burrito and you're laughing so hard. That I was like, this. I have to have more this. Yes, please. This is what I want in my life. And, and, and so when I described you to other people,

00:49:35Yeah, I know and it means a lot because it's kind of how I feel about my dad. You know, what are you doing? You know, it could be during Idaho. Idaho was going to become really dramatic and really interesting really fast, you know, and I love that. I love that leg that you can share that passion and excitement about life in about being alive. You know, I don't know. I don't know what I would do without it. You know, I mean, everybody has their way into the world, but

00:51:12Grow and I'm like, I mean, I just turned 50 and you know, I was like, I need to like do some shit. This new I mean like push myself.

00:52:22Practiced enough and you my story well enough that when I got up onstage, it was easy. And like I was comfortable and I was able to add live and make jokes off the car and I was like, holy shit. Like this isn't just like cool. Like this is amazing. I'm so happy. I done it. And so I kind of feel like we're all sort of like that. We all are a little bit like scared about telling our stories, because some of them are really personal on about things that are really dark and, and hard for us. Something we've sometimes held in our lives forever, right? But I've always known and I'll say this, like, do you know the other person who really influenced me about getting up on stage and doing like, some of them are stopping. Was a guy that I knew Ninja. Storm red headed, big huge New Yorker poets who was amazing performance poet. He won.

00:54:22Autobiographical and I would like to watch other people and I went with him sound like an arbor to see the Nationals and all this stuff. And I kept watching, people know that was really envious of them because they just they're they had enough guts to do it. And then afterwards I didn't matter if the person was great or stocked or whatever, there was always people in the audience that I've see, go up to them and they do like Jude, that story was so amazing. I had an experience like that. I was so affected by that and I realized and I watch this for so long watching other people, you know, you realizing the power of like that kind of Storytelling, the kind of story telling them. I saw with my dad on a one-on-one basis or a small crowd kind of the way that I like to do it, but I never was able to translate that into a bigger place. We could reach more people. And so I thought about my dad and I thought about that and I thought, you know, like your kind of we have so many important things to say, we all do, right. We all have these things that are poor that we share cuz he'd learn from each other. We grow.

00:56:22Is really nervous, right? If you're selling something really personal. I like the unlighted and use it as a Focus, right? And then like maybe meditate for like 3 to 5 minutes to relax. And so and then when I do is I get a notebook and I personally do it onto paper because I'm old school and I like to like what I'm really talking about hard work and took me like to do it first cuz there's something about the electricity and the physicality of it that I think there is like, stuff there that, you know, life is real that you don't get on the computer. And what I do is I just tell myself for like 3 to 5 minutes.

00:58:04Stuff out and stop. And then I would like my myself again for like 10 minutes. So there's not a big time to time, you know, like obligation your time. So it's not like you have to worry about like am I going to like, not right enough or I'm not going to, you know, it just happened because you clear everything out and give you such focus and also like it allows you to sort of like really comfortable cuz you relaxed you taking time, you've been purposeful and then you let all the stuff that you need to let go. Which I think is really home, you know, too. And then you do like some more. But it is something that I go to a lot and I think it's it's super helpful for people know, I love it. I love it. And and is someone who is at times fearful to share my own story. Maybe that would help me a little bit more.

00:59:55I thought I'm going to invest in something that's going to open me up and get me close to my spirituality and help me use the skills. I have, because I always love to help people when I love to nurture people. And I really believe riding is such a powerful healing tool. I was like, I really want to try to learn as much as I can and it kind of do that. So I I graduate in a couple of weeks and my final project is basically putting together, you know, like basic kind of workshops, one-on-one consultations, where I basically kind of take everything from essential oils to Crystal's to Healing breath, which is a special, kind of breath to help you heal and Delaney and some other things and creating kind of a curriculum with writing the kind of help people to do. So, do you know what kind of really personal? Deep healing free writing and also you use it as sort of a preacher or if they decide they want you to then like maybe use it as a way to get in really deep and then like figure out what they might win.

01:01:19That's awesome. So when you're here in March for a writers resist, you'll have to

01:01:45The first one and I'm going to answer it and then you read the second ones. That's a lot in one big thing. So, how do you keep up with fresh ideas to start with that?

01:02:58Me as a story. Tell her to tell him you want to be able to come stay and

01:04:07It actually makes you more much more interested in wanting to go see here and perhaps by my shows in my stories because they can bark at me that way. It's like simple write your breath for me. I basically keep up with as many crime shows or kinds of crime shows but like, you know, Sondra always keep up with like Ozark, because that's a new take on a crime story, right chilling. He's so basically, I am so, I just want to make sure I stay up with. What's new for me. That means like, keeping up with the Oscars. So I not only watch all the Oscar films, but I also read Express Rider. It's about what they put on the page, come up with fresh ideas.

01:05:12I tend to go off in the lot of tangent and go down a lot of like magical pass in the woods. So for me, it's really important to recognize when I have an idea and get it down to things. If you have a picture or like a real person, if your person that likes likes to talk until 3 get a recorder, have it near you. If you're in a car, you're on the bus, you're doing whatever and you get something come to your mind, get it down. Just get a place. You can keep right. If it's a notebook and then get a notebook and just be I did. So, but I've done it forever. I have tons of them. Sometimes, I just randomly, go through old stuff of mine, could be old poems or whatever, and I'll find something. I'm like, holy shit. I've done. That was cream place. Where I can take one of the ones. I wrote started out in Phoenix, many, many years ago, and it took me over 10 years.

01:07:12Different kinds of books are different kinds of things that I don't write regularly. So I like a love poetry. I don't really ride that much anymore. But I love to grab poems because it basically makes my brain do is like it kind of takes it off the track and I think we're your creative, you know, like Sophia painter, like maybe read a book if you're right book, maybe go paint something. I think there's different parts of your brain and I think switching back and forth and looking at different things creativity, expresses itself in so many different ways. Nature is one of them. It's the most creative of it. All right, it is creation. So, I think all those kind of things I can give you a great places to get inspiration. And I think that you just go with the kinds of stuff that really get like if you know the certain things just get you going. Like every time you go and you see this or dad or your experience something or go to that place. I mean, it's bad spark. It's that passion because in order to do and create anything, you know.

01:09:12And we ended up in the middle of oil rig, a lie, if you will is like dudes and big trucks, no women anywhere and like it's fucking like sparse and I went in to this hole in the wall to get to go to the bathroom and I'm going to go to the bathroom and there was no sin is on my Instagram. You can find it if you want but it's a cooler and it's like old school. So it's kind of like got the metal but it's like the old like refrigerators back in the twenties and thirties that were like wooden and you would like open it up as like a weird lash and stuff and you can't buy beer until after 7 a.m. Out like that. And I was like, okay. All right. What the fuck? I'm like, who the fuck is buying beer before 7 a.m. Oil rigs, you know and I like that. There's no place to go there something fun to do with a bunch of dudes and a bunch of oil and dirt and Mexican grub to eat, you know, and so I kind of thought huh, so I went to the bathroom in a can

01:11:12You know, no buying beer before 7 a.m., You know, like there's no excuse. So, you know, I didn't have time for inspiration to hit whatever material I had. I had to make it into something and if you had a deadline that was it, I mean, I had a deadline and you and I was breaking news that men like my deadline was already. There already people like yelling at me. Want him right now. And so, you know, you kind of learn that, you know, you have. You just pray that for yourself. You're like, that's why. I think time in yourself is good to be like, okay. I'm going to write for 30 minutes. I can always write for 30 minutes about something and then if I get bored or I get to do whatever you stop and then you do it again, like, there's ways you can kind of trick yourself into having deadlines for people that need that. Like, I do it. It's a good way to do it.

01:12:17So, yeah, let's, you know, if there's anything that you could like to, like talk about the blonde part interview with Santa.

01:12:39Sure. I'm actually going to tell you to project that I'm working on. So I'm going to try. I'm just going to read this to you because it's easier to do it this way to me like going to tell you. So I'm I was telling you that like, you know, having a project that you're going to be in a job and your polishing. So I've been working on a screenplay. It's called The Bell jar Outlet.

01:13:42So I originally found out, someone told me the story about how I was supposed people were there and they basically fought against there was a shootout between the locals and of the locals.

01:14:39If that seems like an Abrupt ending to the interview, well, it kind of is and that's because the second project sense of shared about what she's working on, she decided maybe it wasn't a good idea to share it at and hear the third pedal. We honor that whatever interviewees need to do. We're cool with that. So we cut it.

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01:16:48During today's interview Center talked a lot about origin stories. And in the course of her talking about her upbringing, she mentioned that she was incorrectly taught that the Civil War was based on states rights. So, here's at some Source, documentation and research about Civil War. I'm quoting a Pulitzer prize-winning author. James McPherson, who wrote quotes the Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery. In the territories that had not yet become States when Abraham Lincoln one election in 1860 of the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven, slave states in the Deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America, the incoming Lincoln Administration, and most of the northern people refuse to recognize the legitimacy of sassy.

01:18:02So the free states and the slave states had a disagreement and seven states seceded from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America.

01:18:20Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, had a speech in 18th and March 24th, 1861 called the quote, Cornerstone speech, and it lays out why secession happened?

01:18:58Some pretty clear to me that slavery is the reason why the Civil War happened.

01:19:20We Are glossing Over The Ugly Truth which is that not only was slavery a thing.

01:19:33And what that does is it just perpetuates racism in our country?

01:19:59Those who are 65 and older are the only age group in which more say that slavery rather than states. Rights was the main cause of the Civil War.

01:20:14So to do 39% of African Americans.

01:20:29And so our work is to consider our history and consider how it is being told and how it is being taught and to educate our children and to speak out. When we hear people say that, it's

01:20:54What's hatchback on this? Because we had a long episode today. But just so you know, the origin of the Civil War was slavery, slavery is wrong and we need to face up to it. Especially as white folks.