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In this episode, Kev and Tracey discuss the importance of driving independence for driving test confidence and confidence in driving alone once you’ve passed your driving test.
We chat about:
- What we mean by independent driving
- Why it’s important to ensure you are making your own driving decisions
- Questions you might be asking if you aren’t independent
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In this episode, we want to talk about independent driving.
Speaker:But before we do, we'd like to ask you for a favor.
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Speaker:So let's get back to this weeks subject Kev independent driving.
Speaker:We have slightly different versions of this.
Speaker:So when a driving instructor talks about independent driving,
Speaker:it's a little bit different to my version of independent driving.
Speaker:Yeah, and I suppose that is because of what we do and what is on a test.
Speaker:So independent driving could mean , what you have to do on your test.
Speaker:So either following signs to a place or using a Sat Nav.
Speaker:But also with independent driving, we have someone driving
Speaker:independently on their own without any help from us as an instructor.
Speaker:Yeah and I think the reasons for that are fairly obvious aren't they?
Speaker:It's the fact that on your driving test, you have to drive without help,
Speaker:but also as soon as you've passed your driving test, the idea is that you can
Speaker:jump in a car on your own and go off and drive without any help from anyone else.
Speaker:And exactly that and what I try and do in my lessons is make sure people
Speaker:are confident to drive anywhere.
Speaker:So they pass their test and then they can go off.
Speaker:Driving to different places, different locations, for whatever reason but
Speaker:knowing that they have the skills behind them to be able to do it on their own.
Speaker:And I think it starts right at the beginning of your driving
Speaker:lessons or before you even start your driving lessons.
Speaker:Where you might be sitting in a car and mum and dad say, how
Speaker:would you get to such and such?
Speaker:And you start reading the signs, so.
Speaker:I think it starts really early.
Speaker:Even before you start driving.
Speaker:Yeah and it's a funny one, this, because it seems like a
Speaker:subject, which is so obvious.
Speaker:Why on earth would we even consider talking about it?
Speaker:But there are some genuine reasons for us to talk about this because we're aware
Speaker:that not everyone gets to do this fully on their lessons in the way that they
Speaker:would, if they were driving on their own.
Speaker:This came up at the event that we were at, at Nottingham Trent university and
Speaker:every single piece of research that was being discussed talked about driving
Speaker:independence in one form or another.
Speaker:So they didn't use that exact phrase, but it was mentioned.
Speaker:We know that in the first 12 months for a new driver.
Speaker:That that's when they're learning their situational awareness and it's when
Speaker:they're gaining experience of lots of different situations and scenarios.
Speaker:We know that drivers often behave differently on their driving tests, to
Speaker:how they do in their driving lessons.
Speaker:And we also know that anxious drivers struggle the most with driving decisions.
Speaker:And one of the things that we hear from a lot of our clients that we
Speaker:work one-to-one with, are, that they say they felt that they weren't set
Speaker:up to be able to drive on their own.
Speaker:They felt that they were taught how to drive in lessons but they didn't feel
Speaker:prepared for driving alone afterwards.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And I think this is where it's essential in your training, whether you having
Speaker:lessons with mum and dad or with a driving instructor or whoever it may be.
Speaker:That you get to start practicing the basic skills of independent driving.
Speaker:And I feel that, even using some of the controls in the car could
Speaker:be turning a radio on, it could be turning the radio off or the heating
Speaker:controls or whatever it may be.
Speaker:You are, familiar with, the car that you are driving.
Speaker:It might well be different car after you've passed your test, but you
Speaker:make sure that you are familiar with your car, so your if something
Speaker:happens and you have to turn the heating on, know where those controls
Speaker:are, you're doing this on your own.
Speaker:You won't have someone else doing it for you.
Speaker:And another way of doing this is, we mentioned earlier about following signs.
Speaker:So when you're driving have a task where you notice all the signs on the road,
Speaker:these could be road signs telling you directions to places or even road names.
Speaker:And I think that's really interesting because.
Speaker:Notice what happens to your driving?
Speaker:You're driving will in the early stages of doing this will deteriorate.
Speaker:It will get slower because your concentration waivers, you're not
Speaker:concentrating on the driving task.
Speaker:You're more concentrated on noticing the signs.
Speaker:And I think this is one of the first steps.
Speaker:One is making a decision.
Speaker:And two is noticing things.
Speaker:And once you can start to do that, you can then move on to the next stage.
Speaker:And it gives you just an idea of driving independently.
Speaker:And, You might already do this in your lessons pick three friends.
Speaker:And you have to drive to pick these friends up, it's a game that I play
Speaker:and it gets people to actually start thinking about the route what happens
Speaker:when you get to that person's house?
Speaker:Where am I going to park my car?
Speaker:And it gets people to start noticing.
Speaker:How they're driving.
Speaker:Because they want to get there, they want to pick these friends up.
Speaker:And I think this is about
Speaker:practicing these skills in your lessons.
Speaker:Not to pass a test.
Speaker:But to be driving independently.
Speaker:So post-test what you're doing, is you're using those same skills of driving making
Speaker:decisions and it all becomes easier.
Speaker:You're more confident because you've practiced those skills and it's
Speaker:those skills that I feel, that we as driving instructors or mum and dad.
Speaker:We don't practice enough.
Speaker:We always there as a comfort blanket for that student that we've got, and we'd
Speaker:always ask questions to stop them making mistakes, or, we might ask a little,
Speaker:how would you deal with a situation?
Speaker:Okay, well, how far are you looking ahead?
Speaker:So, you know, those little things that we can do as instructors or mum
Speaker:and dad would person sit next to you.
Speaker:And it's not you actually going through that process.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's the really clear thing that we've been talking about.
Speaker:Isn't it?
Speaker:It's this idea of your driving instructor or your supervising driver is often
Speaker:giving little prompts, giving little hints, asking really helpful little
Speaker:coaching questions, but actually when you're doing that to somebody in the
Speaker:latter stages of their lessons, Your helping them make the decisions and not
Speaker:allowing them to make their own decisions.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:I'm guessing that driving instructors.
Speaker:Maybe feel as if they're not giving good value or they're maybe
Speaker:not doing their job correctly.
Speaker:If they're not asking questions.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:and you know, I struggle with that because I want to help the person.
Speaker:I want the help the person succeed.
Speaker:So, what it is about sometimes is making sure or contracting for want of a better
Speaker:word at the beginning of the lesson.
Speaker:To make sure I know my role, the student knows their role.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:We all know what's going to happen.
Speaker:I'm still there as a safety blanket, but I'm going to use
Speaker:it at the very last moment.
Speaker:Because I want you, the student to be making those decisions and
Speaker:making them in good time so that you are arriving at a hazard prepared.
Speaker:You know, the route that you're going to take and you're making
Speaker:sure that this is as close as you can get to driving on your own.
Speaker:And that's what we're aiming for in lessons before you pass your test
Speaker:is to give you that experience.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:Sometimes do you find, you have to bite your tongue?
Speaker:Not to interfere, not to prompt, not to ask a question.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:A hundred percent.
Speaker:You know, you, you, you.
Speaker:There's something I've seen that the student hasn't.
Speaker:In a previous lesson, when we first started, I would
Speaker:have definitely mentioned.
Speaker:But now people are driving on their own.
Speaker:And I can see something like a slow moving vehicle up ahead on a dual carriageway.
Speaker:And this person's driving in lane one is lane two there not lane three.
Speaker:And I know they're going to have to overtake this slow moving vehicle
Speaker:and I'm thinking shut up Kev.
Speaker:Let this person deal with it.
Speaker:They need to experience this.
Speaker:But it's amazing when you don't say something you really
Speaker:want to help, but you can't.
Speaker:But that's where learning takes place for the student.
Speaker:And am I giving value for money in that situation?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:By not saying anything and letting the student actually deal with make decisions
Speaker:that situation that is happening, is going to help them, later on.
Speaker:Yeah, because that's the one that they're gonna remember more than all the
Speaker:times you've told them or prompted them in the past is the one where they're
Speaker:making their own decision, I guess,
Speaker:exactly, but it also gives us something once we've stopped, it
Speaker:gives us something to talk about.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's where my skills then come in.
Speaker:So you're then talking about, oh, do you remember that slow moving
Speaker:vehicle on the dual carriage way?
Speaker:How would you do that differently next time?
Speaker:What might happen next time for you?
Speaker:To be able to not slow down or have to, wait for cars to overtake
Speaker:you, what would you do differently?
Speaker:But it's going to have a better result.
Speaker:Resulting in you being more confident in the future.
Speaker:You know, what is, what is going to happen?
Speaker:What would you do differently?
Speaker:And I think that's where we need to go as instructors.
Speaker:And also mom and dad, you want to help you succeed.
Speaker:But it is allowing you that safe environment to be able to maybe
Speaker:make a mistake or do something or slow down we didn't really need to.
Speaker:So, just those little things that you're doing, to make them more confident.
Speaker:Yeah and being really clear here, so we're not talking about driving
Speaker:independently from lesson three or four.
Speaker:So when you're in the early stages of your lessons, then you're not really
Speaker:making your own driving decisions as much, and you are going to be heavily
Speaker:guided, prompted, coached by your driving instructor, but as you're progressing
Speaker:through your lessons, I guess there's a crossover between how much help you need
Speaker:and how much help you're being given.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly and it does start early in the lessons probably on the first lesson.
Speaker:Could be from the first time that you make dependent on the area where you live.
Speaker:You might have to make a decision as to whether or not you want
Speaker:to start your lesson at home.
Speaker:Or you want to drive to somewhere quieter.
Speaker:You know, these are little decisions that you can start to
Speaker:make in your driving experience.
Speaker:If we're talking about further down the line, after a few lessons, you might be
Speaker:making decisions as to go left or right at the end of the road and the coach,
Speaker:the trainer would be asking, well why do you want to go left instead of right?
Speaker:well if I go right, it's takes me to that.
Speaker:And I don't want to deal with that yet.
Speaker:I want to go left to be able to deal with this.
Speaker:That's great because that's given you that independence.
Speaker:I know what I want to do.
Speaker:And I think this is where you then just take it one step at
Speaker:a time, a little bit further.
Speaker:And then you not just making one decision at the end of the road turned left.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:Where are you going to go after that?
Speaker:So you can add in this and build on it a bit, like building a
Speaker:house, you've set the foundations.
Speaker:And then you carry on building the blocks on top of it.
Speaker:And getting to the point where you are getting in a car driving
Speaker:independently with your instructor there, not really doing much at all.
Speaker:You might be talking about what sort of day you've had, what sort of things you're
Speaker:looking forward to after your lesson.
Speaker:So again those sorts of questions again, may well affect your driving.
Speaker:But, the skill of driving.
Speaker:Is independence.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And there were some real, really strong advantages to doing this.
Speaker:One of the clear ones is that we often hear instructors saying.
Speaker:My student drove differently in their test and failed they never
Speaker:drive like that in their lessons.
Speaker:And if that's happened to you, if you failed a test because actually you've
Speaker:driven differently, what are the reasons, why did you drive differently?
Speaker:Was it because you were in a unique situation where you were having
Speaker:to make decisions for yourself?
Speaker:Where the examiner doesn't help you.
Speaker:If that resonates with you, then perhaps driving independence is an
Speaker:area that you need to focus on more.
Speaker:So using our son as an example in the last couple of months of his driving lessons.
Speaker:And you'd be hard pushed to call them lessons by that stage, because with the
Speaker:delays and everything that are happening, he had ample opportunity for driving
Speaker:practice really rather than lessons.
Speaker:And so in those final couple of months, He was driving independently.
Speaker:And I know I sat in the back a couple of times as we were going different
Speaker:places while he was practicing and you weren't really helping him at all.
Speaker:We were just chatting about normal everyday things now the advantage of that
Speaker:was that come test day, yes, there's an underlying level of nerves of, it's a
Speaker:test and there's going to be an examiner.
Speaker:But he had the evidence and he knew that he could drive.
Speaker:He absolutely had a couple of months worth of evidence there that he had
Speaker:confidence in his driving skills and his driving ability because he'd
Speaker:been making his own driving decisions for weeks running up to his test.
Speaker:And if he failed, for some reason, he knew he would just
Speaker:put in again and take it.
Speaker:Yeah sometimes people do drive differently on the test because one, they're not used
Speaker:to someone not saying anything they're not used to silence and silence is one
Speaker:of the biggest things that people hate when they're driving because they're so
Speaker:used to talking, even if it is like my son and we used to chat about things, we
Speaker:chat about football, whatever it was, but we would chat and he would just drive.
Speaker:But if there is a silence how'd you cope with that?
Speaker:If you're not used to it.
Speaker:Have you been trained to deal with silence?
Speaker:Have you been trained for someone to give you directions in a certain way.
Speaker:Yeah, that may be, really off-putting as well.
Speaker:Is it a different sat Nav to the one that you've been using?
Speaker:You might well use Google maps on your phone or whatever it is,
Speaker:but the examiners use a different one and it's a different voice.
Speaker:It will give you different directions.
Speaker:They say thing slightly different.
Speaker:So again, it's all these little things that add up and they go.
Speaker:Oh, that's not quite what I'm used to.
Speaker:But having the experience of trying different satnavs just loads
Speaker:of different apps on your phone.
Speaker:You can get, try different ones.
Speaker:Have you gone somewhere and, followed signs, you might actually
Speaker:know the route off by heart, but what are the signs saying?
Speaker:Which road is it?
Speaker:What's the name of the road?
Speaker:What's the number of the road?
Speaker:All these little things that you can add into your driving to help
Speaker:you become more confident, so whoever's there giving you direction.
Speaker:Whether its a Sat Nav, a driving examiner or whatever, you know, what's happening.
Speaker:And you know where you are and what's going on names of roads, et cetera.
Speaker:And, touching on the test, this is why they changed the test.
Speaker:They changed the test to bring in independent driving, which
Speaker:is either, following a Sat Nav or following road signs.
Speaker:And it's to get a more real life situation.
Speaker:What are you going to be doing post-test?
Speaker:And this is why it's changed.
Speaker:And, we heard at that event, Yeah.
Speaker:The DVSA talking they wanted to see you driving independently.
Speaker:What are you going to be doing?
Speaker:And some of the show me, tell me questions are done on the move.
Speaker:And it really is trying to make it as realistic as possible for you to be able
Speaker:to jump in your car an hour after your test and drive all on your own and for
Speaker:it not to be that dissimilar to the experiences that you've already had.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It will feel different.
Speaker:Cause there won't be anybody there.
Speaker:There won't be that person sitting next to you and you can't get away from that
Speaker:fact of someone physically sitting there.
Speaker:But what you can do is have the knowledge and be confident in your skills to be
Speaker:able to even talk yourself through a situation or be confident enough to say
Speaker:I've done this before I can do it again.
Speaker:Yeah and being able to make your own driving decisions, which in theory
Speaker:you should have been making in those latter stages of your lessons
Speaker:so you should be more used to it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's what we're aiming for.
Speaker:I mean People come to me and say, Oh Kev, I need help I want some
Speaker:lessons so I can pass my test.
Speaker:One of the strangest questions I asked back is.
Speaker:Do you really want to pass a test?
Speaker:And people look at me, and go, what's.
Speaker:When you're talking about.
Speaker:Because people don't want to pass a test.
Speaker:What they want is what passing a test, gives them.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And that is that driving independently, new.
Speaker:I saw your face there.
Speaker:It changed when I said that it was like, no, they do want to pass a test.
Speaker:That's what they're having lessons for to pass the test.
Speaker:Well people don't and why is it that you want to take that test, pass your
Speaker:theory and do your practical test?
Speaker:It's because it gives you that freedom.
Speaker:It allows you to have that new job.
Speaker:It allows you to the kids somewhere, whatever it may be.
Speaker:And that's the focus.
Speaker:The driving test is just an assessment of your driving to see whether or
Speaker:not you can drive independently.
Speaker:Safely.
Speaker:Competently and confidently.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:I think we've covered that really nicely now.
Speaker:So I'm thinking for anybody listening obviously this topic mainly focuses
Speaker:on learner drivers and making sure that they've got the confidence before
Speaker:their test, but equally this works for people who have passed their test and
Speaker:we know that nervous drivers who have passed their test this is the area they
Speaker:struggle in the driving independently on their own, making their own decisions.
Speaker:So some telltale signs that this could be an area that you need to work on
Speaker:would be oh, asking what do I do?
Speaker:How do I do this?
Speaker:What do I do next?
Speaker:I don't know what to do.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The questions that come up quite a lot in lessons, what do I do in this situation?
Speaker:What'd you think you might do in that situation?
Speaker:Ah, first thing I got to do is this great.
Speaker:So you've started that process again.
Speaker:And driving is a process.
Speaker:It's a repeatable process all the time.
Speaker:You see a hazard up ahead.
Speaker:I've mentioned again, the slow moving vehicle.
Speaker:What's the first thing we do.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I got to check around, see what's happening.
Speaker:Then you have to make a decision.
Speaker:Assess the situation.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And there's a car behind me is traveling quite fast.
Speaker:So what I'll do is I'll do this.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:Now, what we need to do is to decide when we're going to do it.
Speaker:And then we have to act on it.
Speaker:So again, looking, assessing, deciding, and acting and, build
Speaker:that into your driving and even if your got a license and you're getting
Speaker:back into driving If you feel a bit nervous or, your confidence drop.
Speaker:This is one of those things that people can do is just take your time
Speaker:or even and I know we do this quite a lot, it's just visualize driving.
Speaker:Yeah it's a great tip that is just visualized driving yourself.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So if you catch yourself asking those questions.
Speaker:The first thing really is to make sure you're not asking
Speaker:the question out of habit.
Speaker:Do you genuinely not know the answer to that question?
Speaker:In which case you're not ready to drive independently and you're not
Speaker:ready to take your driving test.
Speaker:But are you asking that question simply out of habit and simply because you
Speaker:want to use that safety net of your instructor or your supervising driver?
Speaker:So question yourself.
Speaker:Why am I asking that question?
Speaker:Do I know the answer?
Speaker:And if I do, can I answer myself?
Speaker:So using our talking out loud would work really well.
Speaker:If you ask the question, answer yourself as well.
Speaker:So get out of the habit of thinking.
Speaker:I don't know what to do.
Speaker:What do I do next?
Speaker:How do I deal with this?
Speaker:See whether you've got that information in those answers get used to
Speaker:answering those questions yourself and making your own decisions.
Speaker:And again, some people ask the question just for confirmation.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That's one of the things I've noticed with learners is they don't want to
Speaker:do something wrong so they won't do anything they will ask a question
Speaker:just so I can tell them what to do.
Speaker:But they sometimes then soon realize that I'm not really going to give them
Speaker:the answer unless I have to, obviously.
Speaker:Yeah, but it's again, it's about them making decisions.
Speaker:And I'll give you a simple example of there's a parked car on the
Speaker:left-hand side of the road.
Speaker:And there's an oncoming car toward you.
Speaker:And you're unsure about whether to go through that gap.
Speaker:As soon as you mentioned that word, unsure.
Speaker:What's the first thing we're going to do.
Speaker:Or you're going to do, where you going to do?
Speaker:I'm not going to do anything.
Speaker:But what is the first thing you're going to do?
Speaker:Hopefully it's slow down.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Because when you slow down, what you do is you give yourself more
Speaker:time to reassess the situation.
Speaker:Make a different decision.
Speaker:You might decide, I can get through or do you know what I can't
Speaker:Whatever decision you make, then you have to make another decision.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So I'm going to go through, what speed am I going to go through?
Speaker:Yup.
Speaker:Or I'm going to slow down, where do I want to stop?
Speaker:Do I need to stop?
Speaker:So again, these little questions, but.
Speaker:It's about if you're ever unsure.
Speaker:Slow down.
Speaker:So you can actually do this before getting in the car as well.
Speaker:You can prep and plan for this.
Speaker:So if you know what route you're going to go on, if you know what
Speaker:tasks you're going to have to face.
Speaker:So maybe a right-hand junction or roundabout or a maneuver.
Speaker:Then think about them beforehand and ask yourself how confident do I feel
Speaker:in making my own decisions to do that?
Speaker:Do I need to be guided and helped.
Speaker:Do I need to be prompted.
Speaker:Or am I able to make those decisions independently?
Speaker:And use that as a guide.
Speaker:So check, and then if you feel that you do need help or prompting, then where are you
Speaker:going to go to find out that information?
Speaker:So that you can build your knowledge and experience.
Speaker:So that you're then able to make those driving decisions.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And this is what it's all about.
Speaker:Have a plan.
Speaker:If you've passed your test.
Speaker:But you're still a little bit nervous about going out, driving.
Speaker:Have a plan.
Speaker:Have a plan of the route that you're going to first take.
Speaker:It may just be driving to the bottom of the road, turning
Speaker:around and coming back again.
Speaker:That's brilliant.
Speaker:Because again, what you're doing is you're making a decision.
Speaker:You're making a decision of first one.
Speaker:Can I drive on my own.
Speaker:Just want to drive there.
Speaker:Turn around.
Speaker:Because it's nice and easy.
Speaker:There's nothing there and it's like a little circle and I can just don't
Speaker:even have to do any revers turn around and come back again on park.
Speaker:And then stop.
Speaker:Get out of the car.
Speaker:What's the next plan.
Speaker:What's the next route that you're going to do?
Speaker:Might well be go to a McDonald's drive-thru you might well have
Speaker:done that on your lessons.
Speaker:Fantastic.
Speaker:But again, just think about the next step you.
Speaker:You're going to take.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:So what do you think.
Speaker:Are you making your own driving decisions or is this something that
Speaker:you need to practice to help you drive more confidently and actually
Speaker:set aside some of those driving test nerves that you might be battling.
Speaker:Hopefully you found that useful and if you have, who else
Speaker:might find this episode useful?
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