This week, the team dives into a set of questions that you have sent us throughout the year.

Guest: Luke Sanders

Will Sikkens, Bill Snodgrass, and Gretchen Winkler

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Bill, Gretchen, how was your week?

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All right.

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Yeah, I did some crazy, shopping.

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Well, that's that's good.

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And enjoy it because, you know,

with the onset of AI and everything else

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that's going on, there's been a lot of

different things talked about.

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But according to Elon Musk, we're not

going to have to work at all in 20 years.

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Now, I don't know what that means

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exactly, but,

you know that prediction, I'll be dead.

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Yeah, that's one possibility, right.

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We're going to be talking this week

about a lot of different things,

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including AI, where that's headed,

cybernetics, robotics,

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answering some of your questions

you've been sending in that

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we haven't gotten to earlier in the year.

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And just kind of giving a quick once over,

I don't know how quick, but

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more of a deep dive,

I guess this will be in the second segment

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to look at what you know,

we might need to fear

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and what we don't need to fear

and all the rest of that.

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And the other big thing is

I going to steal your job.

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We're going to talk

about that a little bit too.

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After the news in this segment,

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our guest is going to be

on talking about his e-book.

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I will leave it to that

and we'll get to that a little bit later

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when we get closer

to that part of the show.

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But before that, let's

go ahead and jump in to the news.

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What do we have this week?

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All right.

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Shopify suffers an outage at a bad time.

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So what is a bad time?

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I would think any time would be oh yeah.

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Any times a bad time

I'll tell you. You know.

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And that's the question though. Hey,

you know, what's a bad time?

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What's a good time for your website

not to work. Right.

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So Shopify, for anybody

that doesn't know this runs

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a lot of businesses, mainly

small businesses that have web presence.

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And they offer credit card processing,

the ability to load catalogs

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and inventory.

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And most of the time,

you probably don't know

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that you're on a Shopify site when you are

there may or designed to be able

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to look like whatever company they are,

and they handle the background well.

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They had an outage on Cyber Monday.

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That was the bad time.

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Oh yeah.

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And,

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this is something that affected

a lot of businesses because Black Friday

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weekend, Cyber Monday,

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all of these, or the reason they call it

that is because we have for years

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because with most businesses,

especially retail,

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the day after Thanksgiving

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when the shopping starts is

when they get into the black,

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which is the term for

we are now in profit.

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So it's a very, very important time.

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And with all of that moving online

as it has in recent years,

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if your website doesn't work

during one of the main days,

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which Cyber Monday is a big part of that

now people will go and find the product

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somewhere else,

the first brand loyalty and stuff.

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They might want to come back,

but this is just something

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that you don't want to have happen.

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We've had a lot of outages, as we've

talked about over the last few months,

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from Amazon to Microsoft to others, this

being another one for a different reason.

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As of right now, the explanation

that's been given is just simply

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that they had a problem.

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Well, I could have told you that

without reading their explanation.

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Get more details on it.

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We'll certainly talk about it.

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But this is something that I are

we are technology

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and we have several clients

that do use Shopify.

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And this was a major problem

and there was no way to switch to a backup

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or anything else.

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So on the positive side for Shopify,

I have not heard about this

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happening often.

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In fact, I think this is the first time

I've ever heard about a real problem.

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There's been some quirks with it, the

where it's actually gone down like that,

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but just that was not the

day to have it happen. And

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also the term in the red meant

that you were in debt.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I used to use, red

ink for when the money was leaving

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and black ink for when the money

was coming in the books.

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Yeah, exactly.

So that's where that saying comes from.

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From in the black,

because now you're in black ink.

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Red ink is bad. Black

ink is good. Right? So.

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Right.

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Cambridge scientists

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successfully reverse human skin cells age.

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So this is an interesting thing.

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And they're talking about a reprograming

process is what they're calling this.

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And this is one of those things

that I'm going to preface with.

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I'd like to actually see this.

I completely believe it.

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Although looking at it,

it looks like it is not an exact study.

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It's if it is, it's

really kind of a cool thing because there

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and this is the part of it

that made me question it

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a little bit, is they're claiming

to be able to reverse the,

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age of your skin cells by about 30 years.

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Okay. That would put me at 20.

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That would be really nice.

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Yeah.

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So they're saying that the approach

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could be an important step

towards future anti-aging therapies,

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although it is still early

and much more testing needs to be done.

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So, you know, the thing of it is,

is talking about it from a standpoint,

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assuming all of this is as

the study has presented it,

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I do know we're we're moving

in the direction of having

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some technologies at the forefront

that will do things like this

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that we're not,

you know, we're science fiction.

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Not so long ago.

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So the idea that this is possible.

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Yeah. It's possible.

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Are they up to a point where

they can reverse your aging by 30 years?

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In my opinion, probably not.

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But even if it's somewhere

in the middle of that

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or even ten years,

that's still a big accomplishment.

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Well, well, think of it this way.

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If if humans are living longer,

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that means our skin needs to last longer.

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Yeah, think about it that way.

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And if you were able to do something

to help the skin regenerate,

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that could be just useful, right?

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Right.

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And, you know, and again, all the way

around, it could be useful, right?

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I mean, if you can reverse your age

now, it's not

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they're not claiming

they reverse your aging,

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but your skin's aging by

something like that.

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Whatever the reason, it be nice to do so.

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Yeah.

Well so we'll see what happens with that.

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If they do say like I say, it's in the

early testing stages and all of that.

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And I'm sure if this becomes a thing

where it really works and is available,

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we're going to be

hearing a lot more about it.

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All the movie stars will use it.

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Okay.

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Japanese

helmet with built in visor is created.

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Tell us.

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So this is a model called GT three helmets

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and developed by the French company

Eye Lights.

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So basically what it is is

it is a motorcycle helmet, as you said.

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And in the visor you have a projector

and that projector sends up information

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like your speed, your music

that's playing or talking on the phone,

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that kind of thing.

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I would imagine mapping and all that

kind of stuff would be a part of this too.

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Now, what's interesting about it is,

is this type of technology is something

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that would be very beneficial.

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I'm just a little surprised

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that they're just announcing it now,

because we've had had displays for a while

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and even, you know, 15 years ago,

I know it didn't market well,

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but with the beginning of all of this,

which would arguably be Google Glass

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had this type of a technology

and the fact that it's

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now being perfected and available

on a consumer level, that's great.

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But we're seeing this type of thing

already in glasses and other things

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that you can just get up

and look at and wear and buy.

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So I think it's a good idea.

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I think it's great for people

that ride bikes, and that type of thing

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makes things even safer.

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So you're not having to fumble around,

you know, just like in a car.

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But when you do that on a motorcycle,

it's even more dangerous.

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And having that available.

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Oh, I'm just surprised that

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it's at this point

that it's just coming out.

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Teens innovative system eliminates

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96% of microplastics from drinking water.

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Yeah, and this is absolutely cool.

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I was looking into this to try and,

you know, because we try to confirm,

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stories we get.

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And I will say that a good portion

of what comes in is,

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you know, you don't cover it

because it's like this.

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It might be something more for The onion,

but this one is not.

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And this is something

that is really kind of cool.

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I am working on getting this,

the inventor of this thing, on the air

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next year.

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Some time to talk about this

a little bit more.

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Because of this, he did a Ted talk

and some other things, and I'll get into

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names and details here in a minute.

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But basically, what we're talking about

here is microplastics are in everything.

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And that causes a lot of problems

because they're toxic.

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So when you have something

that's made out of plastic,

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even biodegradable plastic,

if it's not recycled properly,

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it will break down, break

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down, and eventually break down to a point

where you don't see it anymore.

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But it is definitely still there.

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So what ends up happening is this has

gotten into the water, into the air,

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into our bodies, into our animals bodies,

all of these different type of thing

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and something that is very hard, if not

impossible at this point to get away from.

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So what you're coming up with here

is a system

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that is able to basically filter

the microplastics out of drinking water.

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So this is something that would work

in, conjunction

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with things like your water

treatment plants and all of that.

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And then the other part of it

that's really cool.

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And this has been an area

that has been somewhat difficult, to do

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is that it

actually can capture this stuff,

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and then they can get it

out of the environment and recycle it.

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I'm in the plastic

at that point could be reused.

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So something

that if this can be actually automated

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and put into,

you know, that type of a situation,

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I think that this could be something

that is a game changer or a game changer.

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Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for,

really I it absolutely is.

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So again, you did this.

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And what I'm keeping for the moment is

I want to get our interview

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set up for next year,

but we will put some information.

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I'll make sure it gets up onto our socials

to be able to get to the TEDx talk.

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What to know about the three Atlas comment

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and why people keep talking about aliens.

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Yes, so

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really Atlas,

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for anybody that doesn't know about

this is a

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comet is what NASA's calling it.

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They came from outside

of the solar system.

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It's the third interstellar object

that we've observed ever, meaning

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that it's simply that it did not originate

within our solar system. So.

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But the thing of it is, is there's

stuff in space besides just what's here.

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I mean, you know, the Earth is not flat,

and it's not the center of the universe.

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I'm sure I'm going to get some comments

on that, but just I believe me, it's not.

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So just ignore them.

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Yeah.

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So in a quick aside on that,

there was a meme that came up with it

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says, well, this is embarrassing.

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Has our solar system

of all the other planets and ours is flat?

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Well that's embarrassing.

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Yeah, that would be in any of it.

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Even the comet has been

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exhibiting some unusual behaviors

that researchers

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have not seen in other objects,

interstellar or otherwise.

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One of them is that it seems to be able

to correct its own ports.

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There seems to be exhaust

that changes color.

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It went around

the sun, used it to launch itself back out

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the tail of the comet, which normally

goes away from our normal comet.

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The ice is melting,

so that's what creates the tail.

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And it's going in the opposite direction

of where it's moving.

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It had an anti tail.

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It was going the other way.

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And from that

there's been a lot of speculation

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with the idea of is this actually just

a naturally occurring thing

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or is it something like, you know,

an exotic example being an alien spaceship

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or even a probe like a Voyager?

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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You know, or something of that nature.

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First of all,

this wouldn't be impossible.

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But the thing of it

is, it's a major researcher at Harvard.

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We talked about this earlier in the year,

has come up with the idea.

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He's not saying, well,

this is a spaceship, but he's saying,

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look at the facts from scientific theory

and scientific method.

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There are some things here that require

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an open mind to be able to look at this

and see if maybe there is

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something else going on that is something

that we haven't seen before at all.

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From that end, we're getting,

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a lot of disinformation

I've noticed on the internet

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as well as I produce things

that make it look like a spaceship.

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You know, being reported.

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Well,

this is the picture NASA took. No, it is.

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And if that was the case,

there wouldn't be speculation.

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But the thing of it is, is at the end

of the day, it is also an odd size,

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which is also something that,

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again, is different from most comets.

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Is it impossible?

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No, but one of the other things

that really has surprised

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people is the emissions of this thing

include elements like arsenic.

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But up

until now, we've only found in refined,

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you know, modern technology

where these things are made.

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So again, it's certainly possible

this is all naturally occurring,

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which is something very unusual.

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And on the other end of the spectrum, it's

certainly possible that this is

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something that is completely new and,

you know, game changing would be the case.

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Now people talk about this kind of stuff.

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Stephen Hawking said that meeting aliens

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could be very negative for humanity.

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Yeah, that's

one of the things that drives, all this,

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you know, a lot of this kind

of speculation and stuff in respect

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to the idea of what happened

when the Europeans got to North America,

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as if, for example, as we all know, that

went very badly for the Native Americans.

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And there are a lot of stories

like this in our history.

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Now, if we're going to talk about aliens

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and look at this

from a scientific approach,

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I personally would think that, number one,

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if this was possible,

they'd already be here.

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Probably,

we might not know it, but number two,

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I don't see where express rules

that have the ability to create spaceships

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have this type of technology

would want to take over this planet

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if I was one of them.

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And figure out what's going on,

I think I just let my ship

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in the opposite direction

and go as fast as I could.

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These

people are crazy, you know, to look at it.

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And but the thing of it is, is there

probably isn't that much difference

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either.

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You know, Roswell, when all that happened,

hey, maybe it was one of their kids

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got a hold of a saucer ship

and took it on a joyride

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and crashed it into the desert.

We all know.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah,

that would be, I'd be a big ol bet.

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Dad, I crashed the spaceship.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's like,

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can you imagine this is bad enough

that I crashed your brand new BMW?

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I think this would even be worse.

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So, in fact, I'm quite sure it would.

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But, you know, again,

at the end of the day,

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very likely.

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I mean, you know,

you've look at the numbers and everything,

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there's very likely I would almost say

you can't say with certainty, but 99%

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that there are other species

that live in this universe

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and other intelligences

and all of that kind of stuff.

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And, you know, again, people are worried.

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Well, the other side of it

is, is having this technology

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and things they might show up

and try to help us.

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In fact,

I think they would be much more likely

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because if they were going to invade

would be invaded, you know,

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you know, reality. Yeah.

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And so there might be

a very positive direction

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that something like that could go to now

is I Atlas an alien spaceship.

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Well, look at the evidence

and decide for yourself what you think.

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Generally speaking,

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the reality that those in

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these mindsets believe is that

it is just an unusual planet.

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But there are other people

that are credible scientists

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that seem to be suggesting otherwise.

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And I'll tell you this if it is turns out

to be aliens, I don't know.

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Would it be ancient aliens?

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I mean, history is going to have to do

something with that history channel.

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All right.

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So I guess it's entirely.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, anyway.

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All right, well, that's our news.

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Let's

go ahead and get over to our interview

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and find out about e-books

and some things dealing with that.

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There we go.

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Joining us now, Luke Sanders,

author, podcaster and many other things.

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Welcome to User Friendly.

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Thank you. Thank you for having

me. I'm glad to be here.

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So instead of me trying to sit here

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and describe all the things you do,

I'm just going to throw it to you.

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Luca, tell us a little bit about yourself

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and your podcast

and your upcoming e-book.

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I know those were

some of the things on the agenda.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So my name is Luke Sanders

and Indianapolis native,

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if you don't know too much by Indianapolis

babyfaces from here, people like that

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come I start here worked on web series

and at that place on Amazon.

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Then I went into radio and transitioned

into podcasting with podcasting.

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I've been able to be a nine time

top ranked Apple

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podcast host,

and with radio, I earn two certificates.

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Thank you.

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And then now

I'm interested in being an author.

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So I had my first book, my debut book,

Luke's Dreamland Superhero in a movie.

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So I'm super excited about that.

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So that story is not based of my life,

but is inspired by my life,

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like some things are different

about the character,

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but he's a six year

old boy, has a big imagination,

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lucid dreamer, and yeah,

the possibilities are endless with him.

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All right, so let's dive into that

a little bit more.

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Talk about the book.

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And, you know,

when you're going to be releasing it yet

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and tell us a little bit about

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why don't give us any spoilers,

but a little bit about the story.

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No. So the book came out on Tuesday, so

it's been out for, a couple of days now.

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But really, about the book.

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So not giving too much away, we noticed

about a dreams about a superhero,

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but the synopsis is he goes to sleep

after watching his favorite movie

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about a superhero, and he wakes up

and he's that superhero in that dream.

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And, he learns very quickly

that it's not all about fun and games.

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You have to, in a very quickly.

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That is so true of superheroes.

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I think, you know, I know, yeah, there's

always that journey of of discovering.

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Oops, it's not as easy as it looks.

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Yeah, but how do people find your book?

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You have a website or go to Amazon

with Access Point?

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Absolutely.

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So you call me

I loopy Sanders on social media platforms,

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you also can search on Apple Books,

and you also can buy it online on Barnes

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and Nobles and other places, as well

other places online.

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All right.

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So I will include that

in our social media.

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So the link is out there.

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But thanks so much. I'm curious what's up.

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Yeah, I have

I have a question, why just an e-book and

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and not not a printed version

or maybe just not.

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Yeah. Question.

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I am self-published,

so this is just a start.

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So for

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audience is 1 to 5 year olds, but,

it's getting started.

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First time book, first time author.

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Oh, terrific.

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Thank you. Gratulations.

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Now I want to ask about some other things

in your bio here.

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You say you're a filmmaker

and I've worked in that too.

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Tell us a little bit about that.

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That sounds interesting.

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So I have a web

series called Luke's IV Chronicles

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which basically, chronicled my life

through college.

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And I'm bringing it back

for a two part special.

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So it's really about the third season,

but it's put together in two parts

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with the 21 minute

format for each episode,

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and it's at the same show

that people have seen before.

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As much more fun as all the love and

editing that deserve a first go around.

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And, yeah, it's a it's a great time.

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So it's about me going back to college.

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It's also about real life

and catastrophes happening.

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We try to take a podcast

and go back to school days later.

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It's real.

Life is fun. Life is everything.

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And so, you know, writing a book

and doing the web series

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and everything else to do, it sounds,

you know, there's so many things

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what goes into something like this,

but what is it taking you to actually get

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to the point

where you're both ready to go out

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and actually get your,

series ready to where it was to go out?

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I mean, I know there's a lot going on,

but you talk about that a little bit.

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Great. Yeah, absolutely.

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The book.

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So I came up with the title

and the idea two years ago.

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I was looking

when would be a good time to release it,

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and, this was a good time

for me to release it, but,

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yeah, really held it back to make sure

the manuscript was where I wanted to be.

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I designed the cover.

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So I really wanted to work hard on that.

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And then with the web series,

I'm kind of a one man

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show when it comes to like, the editing

and the story of it all.

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And because it's a docu web series, it's

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not a reality show,

but it's that web series.

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So people don't know.

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It's like a documentary,

but it series format.

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But, yeah, takes a lot of blood, sweat

and tears.

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Time, patience.

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Going back to the drawing board when

you know this different stuff happens.

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So takes time.

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Yeah, I the reason I,

I think it is absolutely amazing

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when you see content creators

such as yourself being able to actually do

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this, as you say, a one man show

and a bigger production.

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You have all these people around

to do all these different things.

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But, when you do it

yourself, you're wearing a lot of hats.

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You and have to really know

a lot of different things,

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you know, to pull it off

properly. So that's great.

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Thank you.

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Is there

anything else you'd like to talk about?

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Really

just getting the word out about this book.

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I'm really excited about it.

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I made, like, I made him kind of like.

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Like I said, inspired by me.

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Like, his hair is blond,

hair is not blond, but is kinky.

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So there's different things,

that I put into him.

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I made him interracial

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so he can appeal to kids who are of color

and who are not of color.

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So, yeah, just really excited about him,

even though he's me and I'm him.

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Like, look, it's not the same person, but,

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but yeah.

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So movie sounds.com.

460

I'll go ahead.

461

And Gretchen so I was going to ask you,

so do you seem your target audience,

462

is it mostly children

or do you think that adults could read it

463

and enjoy it just as well?

464

So like if you're, you know, a mom

and you're reading it to your kid

465

with the mom, enjoy it too.

466

Yeah,

absolutely. I do. I can say that humbly.

467

I know I wrote it, but,

I do think adults would enjoy it as well

468

because it's a it's a simple story,

but it's a fun story.

469

It's something that you would really

470

it will really

you will really get immersed in the story

471

and just seeing all the what it does

472

and the people that he saves

and how this story ends.

473

And will it be a part too,

with the cliffhanger?

474

Because there's a cliffhanger

at the end. So yeah.

475

But all the way around to have this

476

underscore is where you go, and we'll

include that in our social media loop.

477

Thank you so much for joining us

and good luck with this.

478

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me.

479

All right.

480

Next segment

we are going to be talking about

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cybernetic bionics artificial intelligence

482

and answering some of your questions

and looking at the actual state

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that this is the one

where it's probably headed, given

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some of our opinion,

this is user friendly 2.0.

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We'll be back after the break.

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You know, I love people around and maybe.

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Submitting your questions and comments.

494

Looking at our blog,

which we promise to start writing again

495

this year and did twice and stopped.

496

So we're going to have

that be a New Year's resolution.

497

How's that? Gretchen? Oh goody.

498

I've been busy. I've been really busy.

499

I have these things called novels

that I've been fretting over.

500

Yeah, yeah, you got it.

501

Speaking of which, before we get

into our topic today, how's it going?

502

All right.

503

School Journal is out almost now.

504

It is almost out. Yes.

505

And, after, you know, monkeying around

with formatting and,

506

and all kinds of technicalities,

we're getting, like, super duper close.

507

Yep, yep.

508

So it's, it's going to be

the we're actually going to cover this

509

in a little more detail next week

because it will be out by then.

510

You know, so what we're going to get you

the details on it and how to find it.

511

It's turned out to be an amazing book too.

512

So, I think you're going to probably

really enjoy it anyway, that being said,

513

let's dive into the topic that we're going

robotics,

514

cybernetics, AI, and so on in your book

actually goes into that a little bit too.

515

So that's appropriate sorta.

516

So let's let's talk about some things

517

that ten years ago were completely science

fiction.

518

And today are an absolute reality.

519

And one thing I can say on that front,

520

with all honesty is I am a cyborg.

521

And I will explain that

a little bit later on.

522

This is called your tease

that you need to listen to this segment.

523

So let's start with AI.

524

Okay?

525

We've talked about this a lot

this year, as any technology show has,

526

because it is proving itself

to be somewhat groundbreaking,

527

a little bit more than I thought

it would be a year ago.

528

And there's both sides

of the argument on this,

529

but we'll get into here

in just a second on how this is used.

530

Now, Bill, I know you're concerned

531

and I've talked about it

upstaging and replacing artists.

532

And why don't you comment

on that for a minute?

533

Just because this is a big thing.

534

People are asking questions about?

535

Well, when it first started out,

it was easy to determine

536

whether it was an AI picture or not.

537

And now that it's been a year since

you know, those softwares have been out,

538

the AI now being done to get better

and better at it, and it becomes

539

harder and harder to determine

if it's been AI generated or not.

540

And it has taken away a lot of jobs

541

that, was previously for artists.

542

And we're going to dive into the jobs

thing

543

in a minute here, because that is one area

that is directly affecting

544

artists, graphic designers,

that whole area of expertise.

545

Now, Gretchen, you're a artist.

546

I mean, you write novels and are an artist

and these type of things.

547

And I know we're just talking

about High School Journal.

548

You've used AI not to write the book,

but for some of the editing process.

549

And this,

I think, would be a positive thing.

550

Can you talk about that a little bit?

551

Actually, it's really been helpful

as far as the editing process.

552

But you have to be mindful

that when you use one of these

553

AI to help you edit that, you don't

just accept everything that it suggests,

554

because I have seen a couple of instances

where it made a suggestion

555

that would change the meaning of

the sentence, you don't want to do that.

556

So this is a tool that you work closely

with.

557

Like, all right.

558

When I went to college,

they did not train me

559

how to write for, like, like a novel.

560

It was only expository.

561

And so I didn't learn the proper

punctuation

562

for, conversations in a textbook.

563

Okay, I didn't learn that.

564

And so I'm starting

to learn the punctuation

565

from the software

because it keeps correcting me.

566

I keep making the same mistake.

567

And so I'm learning

while it's it's telling me, hey,

568

you need to do that,

but it's something you work with. It.

569

And,

you have to be careful because a lot of it

570

seems like the

AI that I'm using is business oriented.

571

It's mindset is focused on

572

helping business

people write factual documents.

573

So when I'm using it, I'm doing

fictional characters,

574

I have children,

I have adults who are maybe less educated.

575

I have to be careful that I don't let

576

this suggest the wrong things

for the characters.

577

So you have to use your brain.

578

So it's a

it's it's a companion, it's a helper.

579

But it does not replace the writer. Okay.

580

It doesn't come up with the ideas.

581

I do write in the.

582

Now, the thing of it is,

is it? Conceivably it could.

583

And I think that's

where Bill's coming from.

584

The fact that he's the writer,

you know. Right.

585

I tend to look at

AI is it's like the backup camera.

586

Most newer cars have a backup

camera is shift in a reverse

587

and the camera turns

588

on the original goal of that was

589

you would look in the mirror and

then have an additional in the lookout.

590

A lot of people just look at the backup

camera.

591

It's it's not meant to replace

what you would normally do.

592

And I think that analogy

kind of connects here

593

because you look at something like art

now, not the monitor monetization

594

of it, graphic artist

and that type of thing.

595

But true artists was about sitting down

and creating something from nothing.

596

It's a skill

that not a lot of people have,

597

and those that do have it are unique,

and it really is something to look at.

598

I've often said before, I can't draw

a straight line, but I love art.

599

I know what I like, right?

600

So from that type of a standpoint,

601

you're going to still have artists

creating art.

602

But Bill, like you said, it's

getting to a point where you can't tell

603

what's made by a human,

what's made by machine anymore.

604

And and even a year ago, you could

now there's still

605

some stuff in there right now, today,

I think if you really take a look at it,

606

you can pick it out.

607

But at the rate it's going another year,

that might not even be here either.

608

So now you look at industry

and things like graphic design

609

or commissioned artists or anything else

that is a moneymaking venture

610

of being an artist,

is that going to affect those jobs?

611

Well, yes, it certainly will.

612

And it certainly already has.

613

Now, I know from my own standpoint

614

that some of the stuff that we work in

for clients and that type of a thing,

615

a lot of the area is that I would

experience is things like logos

616

and other assets like that, things like,

like Jeremy would have produced back

617

when,

you know, he was around and doing that.

618

I know from

619

my own standpoint,

I have yet to go to an I have tried,

620

I have yet to go to an AI and say, hey,

this is what I want, make me a logo.

621

It does, but it looks something.

622

It's just not the creative component

623

that would exist from

this is what I want it to be is not there.

624

So what ends up happening?

625

You're wanting to build logos

626

for a lot of different stuff

and don't care about that.

627

And yeah, now you've just displaced jobs

628

from the graphic designers

that would normally have been doing it.

629

But there's another part of this

630

where and it's the way

that I've been as I've been able to get it

631

to come up with concepts

I like that I wouldn't have been able

632

to create on my own.

633

And then we have been handing those off

to an actual graphic designer

634

that then takes it and makes the real logo

and that kind of stuff.

635

So again, this is something

that has a lot of moving parts

636

because it's changing so much.

637

So today as we stand, will not be where

we're at a year or even a month from now.

638

And it's a good idea in these

professionals to keep an eye on that.

639

And I think that this is one area

where it would be nice if government

640

caught up a little bit not said, well,

you can't use AI for artwork, but

641

definitely said that you have to declare,

642

you know where this stuff originated.

643

I noticed Gretchen, in publishing your

book and stuff and working with Amazon,

644

there's a checkbox

now that, you know, is this AI generated?

645

You have to you know, some of the bigger

companies are already doing this,

646

and it's nothing against

I think it's an amazing tool.

647

I think it is something that I have found

has really helped me with programing

648

and other things.

649

But there are hallucinations

and that kind of stuff,

650

and you can't take everything as you say,

just here it is.

651

A lot of people do and like

looking in your mirror and nothing else.

652

Knowledge.

653

You see articles and stuff that are

written by AI that have not been vetted.

654

You can tell.

You can tell most of the time.

655

And also

656

at the end of the day,

it is going to replace a lot of

657

outside commercial artists.

658

Yeah, a lot of the commercial people.

659

We're going to see that change,

660

and I think we're going to see a change,

just like when we went from,

661

you know, using Movable Type and Blue Line

and all of that kind of stuff

662

to having computers.

663

There was a huge change in the industry

at that point, too.

664

You used to have type setters and people

who would, create these layouts

665

and things, and then all of a sudden

the computer did it right.

666

And so that was a big change.

667

So now some of the other areas to just

668

doing some research to talk about this

that I found is

669

it is actually adding in many ways

where it is

670

giving additional artistic endeavors

that wouldn't have existed before.

671

Things like you, list your house

on the market, and AI creates the rooms

672

so that you can see what it look like

with furniture in it, that type of thing.

673

Now, this is not something

a graphic artist would have done.

674

It's not something that would have been

a thing before I was here to do that.

675

So that's not replacing a job, that's

just adding on to what it what it can do.

676

So I think, to be perfectly honest,

are we going to see job loss?

677

Have we already in artistic graphic arts.

678

Things like architecture.

679

Yeah we are.

680

And it's very least

it's going to change it.

681

There will still be commissioned artists.

682

There will still be people

that create art for art's sake.

683

But all through history,

it's been known that it's very rare

684

that an artist is rich.

685

Yeah, it tends to be, you know,

after their lifetime, things become good

686

and that kind of stuff.

687

And the last 40 or 50 years artists

have been able to monetize their work.

688

And I think that one thing

that will happen with

689

this is we're going to have what

I call a SAG moment.

690

What I'm talking about

there is a view of two years ago

691

now when the Screen Actors

Guild went on strike

692

because they were trying to use

AI to replace actors in movies.

693

And today, could

there needs to be some rules

694

that we live by to make sure

that we aren't eliminating artists,

695

because that's not a thing that you want,

because art is important,

696

real art is very important,

and that's something that can't go away.

697

And if it does, that would

really diminish society in my opinion.

698

You know, I agree.

699

So that being said, I think definitely

700

what we've been talking about here

is that it is a tool.

701

It is a very useful tool

when used in the right way.

702

But you go to college and try to use

703

AI to write all of your papers,

even if you get away with it,

704

you're not accomplishing anything

because yeah, you got to

705

maybe get the degree,

but you're not going to know

706

what it is that you have a degree

in. Not really.

707

You're not going to understand

708

and be able to produce

when you're out in the real world.

709

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

710

Some of the dangerous parts of this

711

are talking about jobs

and all that kind of stuff.

712

Some of the more dangerous parts

713

is the bad guys, hackers

and so on, or using AI for those sorts.

714

And one of the things is,

as with all these scams,

715

we've talked about it

many times, you get an email that you're,

716

you know, how to charge your credit card

and it's going to post

717

if you didn't really make the charge.

So you better call us.

718

And there's a phone number.

719

Now, even a year ago, you looked at this

and you could see some things

720

that were out of whack.

721

You know, the logo might be wrong or

in the wrong place where it's misspelled.

722

That kind of thing just didn't

look right today with using AI.

723

It can look pretty much perfect.

724

You don't notice it anymore.

725

So from those type of standpoints,

you have to take a different approach

726

that if you need to call about your credit

card,

727

you never, ever use anything

that's in a message that you've received,

728

whether it's text or email or whatever

website you go to, your card, all the bank

729

with the number

730

that's on the back of the actual card

or a bank statement or something,

731

and check into it that way,

732

because the number you call

is going to put you in touch

733

with the bad guys that sent you the email,

it's not going to do you much good.

734

It's going to do you very bad, you know.

735

Yeah, yeah,

736

it's and it's interesting to me too,

because the banks aren't

737

completely getting this.

738

And this is a true story

about six months ago, I was online

739

ordering, some stuff for an arcade

cabinet and get the Facebook.

740

And there's this thing that there were,

you know, some accessories on sale.

741

It was 11:00 at night.

I was going through.

742

I did not check it. This was my fault.

743

But I went on to go,

okay, this is a good thing.

744

I'm going to go ahead and order it.

745

Turned out to be a fraudulent site.

746

Facebook Marketplace does not get

their advertisements very well.

747

And, you know, fortunately,

it was only like $90.

748

So, I realized that the next morning.

749

Okay, when I looked at the credit card,

there's a pending charge from something

750

that was in Chinese letters,

which is being paid one up.

751

Yeah.

752

And this is what really got me.

753

I called American Express to let them know

there's been a false charge.

754

You know, right away.

755

Well, we can't do anything about it

until the charge actually post.

756

But you need to call them back

and see if they'll remove the charge.

757

Let me try really scammers.

758

And and that's what I was told to do

I couldn't. Yes.

759

So, Yeah.

760

So there's a lot to be learned.

761

Both business

and personal things on this kind of stuff.

762

And things that we're going to have to

deal with is this continues down the road.

763

Now, the other side of this

is robotics and cybernetics.

764

Okay.

765

So the definition of a cyborg is

you have at least one mechanical implant

766

that senses

767

something on your body and manipulates

your body based on what it sends.

768

Okay.

769

That's a that's essentially a definition.

770

So by strict definition,

a pacemaker would make you a cyborg.

771

Yeah. In my case,

I have an inspire implant.

772

That's what I was talking about.

773

And some other guys with the inspire

implant senses when I'm having a moment

774

of sleep apnea

and stimulates muscles to eliminate that.

775

No, no, the CPAp machine has been

quite nice, but that is cybernetics.

776

Now, where this is going on down

the road is we're seeing

777

a lot of the technologies

we have in medical

778

that are essentially being upgraded.

779

Bionic knees, bionic hands.

780

Okay.

781

So arm and leg extremity

782

replacements, something

that's been around for a while now.

783

But they are mechanical.

784

They're getting to a point now where

the machine can interface with your brain

785

and be able to react

and interact in the exact

786

same way that your natural leg or arm

or whatever would have been able to do.

787

We're seeing this in

things like art replacement

788

and other stuff of that nature,

and this is something where this can go

789

really build a quality of life,

different type of things.

790

Now, of course, when you go there

you can add sensors

791

and different things that wouldn't

normally exist in the original bio,

792

you know, material.

793

And one of the things that I think is

interesting is a concept called smart

794

prosthetics network controlled,

adaptive and Future Ready.

795

They connect to the 5G network

on the device.

796

Cloud computing and machine

based neural learning helps

797

to improve control and adaptability.

798

On one side of it, that's great,

but on the other side,

799

what could possibly go wrong

when somebody has to weigh,

800

oh no, I've got restless leg

801

syndrome for serious, seriously,

802

it's.

803

Yeah, I do think people

804

I think cyberpunk, kind of describes

805

that because, you know,

you can hack somebody's cybernetics.

806

Yeah.

807

And it certainly would be possible,

you know, true cybernetics.

808

You're going to have a control

unit of some kind built in.

809

What is it.

810

What is it?

811

Control run pulls out a cyber deck

and there's other names for it,

812

but it's kind of

your central control system

813

that interfaces between your biological

and your machine parts.

814

And yeah, you would want to protect that

at all costs that somebody can't get in

815

and hack you in this possibly

is already a thing and it's getting there.

816

So then the next thing that comes up

from that kind of stuff is this argument

817

that's coming out.

818

That would have been something you would

have seen in a movie not so long ago,

819

is what is a prosthetic

and what is an upgrade.

820

So right now,

today, I can go have my wrist replaced.

821

There's a site online that does that.

822

My wrists are fine, but I could still go

have them replaced with something

823

that would have more power,

you know, that kind of thing to it.

824

And you can get them even where

they're scanned to look like Iron

825

Man or whatever you would want it to be.

826

Now, is that elective surgery?

827

Are you upgrading your body?

Is it a prosthetic?

828

You know, what are you actually doing?

829

I don't like using the cyberpunk analogy

with these type of things,

830

but using it the wrong way.

831

You could go down a very dark road

with that.

832

And the technology is here,

833

you know, basically now it's either

being developed or it's already here.

834

So it's

a situation of like any technology, it's

835

not about the technology itself.

836

It's about what you do with it.

837

Talking about something

from the last century, nuclear energy,

838

this type of a thing from one standpoint,

it's a bomb can blow things up, destroy

839

life on Earth from another one.

840

It can produce clean energy

until your reactor melts down

841

because you built it wrong or something.

842

But it can produce energy

843

and do some things

from that kind of a standpoint.

844

So there's, you know, uses for some of

the technology itself is benign.

845

It's what you do with it.

846

And that's

I think that's a lot of the same thing

847

with implants

and all of these type of things. Now,

848

you know, I've been asked in the past,

but what do you think about it?

849

I'm all for it.

850

I'd be I'd be not cyberpunk, but I'd be

the person that would go in and,

851

you know, change what I can change

and all of that.

852

And I'd have a problem with it.

853

As long as number one, I have complete

control over it, I can turn it off.

854

I know where it was manufactured.

855

And my goodness,

if it's online, I have, you know, complete

856

control over that of that system as well,

my friend.

857

You'd what you'd want the

the items to be constructed

858

by rational people

who aren't trying to make a quick buck,

859

people who care about whether you're going

to have an allergic reaction,

860

whether it functions

well with the rest of the body.

861

These are all really important,

complicated factors to think about.

862

And so I kind of deal with some of this

in my cyber hock books.

863

Yeah.

864

And I have to think about what

kind of problems good and bad can occur.

865

And you know, at the end of the day,

I think it would be other cyborgs

866

that would maintain it,

because you'd also have to have someone

867

that knows what it is

to have that kind of equipment, you know?

868

Yeah.

869

And obviously people you can trust,

I mean, this is all stuff

870

that we are going to have to address

and deal with.

871

And one of the thing

872

that is a thing that you could do right

now is something called biohacking.

873

And this is using implanted technology,

very basic implant technology

874

in some ways to do certain things

like start your Tesla,

875

you know, or things of that nature.

876

I think with some of the cybernetics

that are coming out,

877

you'll be able to be the key to your car

if you want.

878

You know, stuff like that.

879

Some of this is already possible.

880

Some of it is going to be here

very, very soon.

881

Is the technology to do it

actually already exists?

882

It may just not be in a way

that you can get to it just yet.

883

So, you know, you look into this

884

and you have to start talking

about the ethics,

885

the moral construct for different people,

because different people

886

are going to think of these

in different ways

887

what it can do,

what it can't do, and all of that.

888

And that's talking about cybernetics,

889

where you still have a human involved

in some capacity.

890

Now the next one is robotics.

891

There is a number of different companies

892

that are really doing

well at producing robotics.

893

I mean, you know, you you,

894

like spot the dog

895

if you've ever seen that on,

why Boston Dynamics.

896

Yeah. The Boston Dynamics. Yeah.

897

It's not really a dog,

a creature that can run around and

898

they're going and kicking it over

and all this kind of stuff.

899

And I'm thinking,

oh, that's not a nice thing to do.

900

And, you know, but no, it's not.

And then it gets back up.

901

Oh yeah. So

but these things are our robot.

902

They have a program that's running them.

903

They're operating off of that.

904

And that's basically the end of it.

905

But what you're seeing is direction

where we're going to be essentially

906

combining cybernetics, bionics, robotics

and AI and going to end up

907

with something very different,

you know when that happens.

908

So you know

from that kind of a standpoint,

909

you know question is we reach out

where is this going to end.

910

Well you know Ironman I'm

911

Gretchen is you do you are learning to fly

an actual real jetpack.

912

That does work. Yeah.

913

You know and it's usable.

914

Yep. Technology was before 2017

when, Richard Browning

915

actually started working on

this was completely,

916

completely with an astronaut science

917

They did have a jetpack

for a little while.

918

They were working on a few problems

that could only stay in the air for 30s,

919

for one thing, and was not very user

920

friendly in the sense of being able

to steal and all the rest of it.

921

Gravity's pax.

922

And I can say from personal experience,

923

you know, it

is something that I'm I'm not there yet.

924

Hopefully

someday I'll learn it at this point.

925

But those that can fly these things will.

926

It looks just completely effortless.

927

Yeah, it does look effortless.

928

It's impressive.

929

Now watch some of those videos

and it makes you wonder, oh, is this real?

930

Just like with some of the robots

that I've seen, I wonder is that

931

I know the Boston dynamic ones are real,

but then I see some of these other ones

932

from Asia and I go, are those real

or are they messing with us?

933

You know, if

934

and that's really what it comes down to

because you're, you're,

935

you know, you're talking about something

where

936

again, is what you're seeing propaganda

or is it something that's real?

937

And enough of this stuff exists

938

now that is real,

that you can't just write it off anymore.

939

And this second part of it is, is okay,

you know what's going on with it.

940

What happens when the AI has to make

the decisions instead of the human?

941

Well, we're seeing this and what they're

calling self-driving cars.

942

I don't think we're completely there yet,

but we will be someday.

943

But when the car has to make the decision,

okay, I'm going to get it in.

944

No accident.

And then I don't have a choice here.

945

Do I hit the human in the crosswalk?

946

Or do I hit the guy in the wheelchair

on the sidewalk?

947

This kind of thing

has already started coming up.

948

And so you have a machine that's going

to have to make a decision like that,

949

and that could be a problem, you know?

950

And that's why I say that is because

that's one standpoint where that's

951

something that would be accidental

and that you wouldn't want to have happen.

952

All right. Let's take another step.

953

We all know that drones are being used

more for now.

954

And I started

to be used to run the drones.

955

And what they're doing is the human

or in some cases with Implant cyborg.

956

I'm going to just use that word

because that's what it is, is controlling,

957

a set, a group,

a unit of whatever you want

958

to call it, of robots, whether that's AI

or ground pounders or whatever.

959

And then the AI actually controls

the individual unit.

960

So it's like a command or controls the AI,

961

but the AI makes

the on the ground decisions

962

like something you've seen out of a movie.

963

Right? Exactly.

964

I, I don't know, I was having

a conversation with this with a think tank

965

a while back, and I said, well, you know,

in my case right now, I've got to decide.

966

I'm already a cyborg, okay, by definition.

967

So if this keeps going,

do I want to be at 800 or 81,000?

968

If you haven't seen Terminator yet,

969

you know,

and then they got into a big argument.

970

Is the Terminator

actually a cyborg because of the android?

971

You know, because it's,

the 800 is the one with a, you know,

972

melting skin and all that.

973

I'm not sure there are

biological components.

974

Yeah, that's a good question.

975

So when are you going to

end up like General Grievous?

976

What is that to I, you know,

977

Star Trek or Star Wars or Star Trek

before they blew up the enterprise

978

and every movie recently or Star

Wars, Star Trek is idealistic.

979

Star Wars is more probably

what the reality would be.

980

Yeah. You know, in my opinion.

981

All right.

982

So we're almost at the end here,

but this is a good conversation.

983

And again,

touching on a lot of the questions.

984

So I mean please continue sending the man.

985

We'd love to do a Q and A on this.

986

I'm going to try

to also get a guest on the make

987

some of the biohacking products to talk

about that a little bit and what it is

988

and where you can go with that

and just see where it is.

989

It's going to be interesting

to see where we are

990

when we're closing the year next year,

see how much this has changed.

991

And if it's the three of us really here,

992

or if you're just going to be listening

to Three Eyes

993

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994

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