Are you searching for a beacon of hope amidst life's darkest hours? Join us for our latest talk, "Unshakable Faith In The Darkest Hours," where we take you on a transformative journey through Acts 14.
In this talk, we explore the trials and tribulations faced by Paul and Barnabas, two apostles who remained steadfast in their mission despite facing severe opposition. Their unshakable faith serves as a powerful testament to the strength that can be found in unwavering belief, even in the face of adversity.
Whether you're a regular church-goer or someone who's just starting to explore your faith, this talk is for you. It's not about religion—it's about finding a meaningful life, a community, and a sense of purpose.
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Speaker:And now, the moment you've been waiting for is here.
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Speaker:Welcome to Crowd Church.
Speaker:My name is Matt.
Speaker:Beside me is my beautiful wife.
Speaker:Hi everyone.
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Speaker:Uh, for those of you who are joining in going, what on earth?
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Speaker:Matt Crew called me before we went live to say, Matt, there's a
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Speaker:Spelling mistakes aside, welcome to Frontline, Frontline Church, welcome
Speaker:to Crowd Church, it's not Frontline, Crowd Church is part of Frontline,
Speaker:but welcome to Crowd Church, great that you're here, what have we got
Speaker:this afternoon slash this evening?
Speaker:So, we've got the lovely Dave Connolly speaking to us, uh, we've
Speaker:been working our way through the Book of Acts from the Bible and he's
Speaker:doing the next portion of that, um, I'm just looking at my notes here.
Speaker:Um, after that we're going to tell you a little bit more about
Speaker:our What's the Story podcast.
Speaker:Um, and then we're going to have Conversation Street, which is basically
Speaker:where me and Matt are going to take your comments and just talk around the
Speaker:talk.
Speaker:Talk around the talk.
Speaker:Yeah, talk around the talk.
Speaker:Absolutely.
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Speaker:Um, yes.
Speaker:So yeah, we are working our way through the Book of Acts.
Speaker:Uh, we've been doing this for a little while now.
Speaker:Uh, and uh, we are taking our time.
Speaker:We're just moseying on through.
Speaker:We're not in a rush.
Speaker:We're enjoying the Book of Acts.
Speaker:Um, and so yeah, we've got Dave Con talking with us tonight.
Speaker:You've actually heard the
Speaker:talk.
Speaker:I have.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I like to listen to it beforehand.
Speaker:So I've got my notes here.
Speaker:Things I'd like to talk about.
Speaker:So and a very bright pink pencil I notice,
Speaker:I nicked that from
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Speaker:Okay, so yeah, so we are going to get into Dave's talk.
Speaker:As Sharon said, as we said at the beginning, we are going to do Conversation
Speaker:Street afterwards, so be busy in the comments, write down your questions,
Speaker:thoughts, ideas, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:Once I've got my iPad working, I will join you in the comments.
Speaker:And yeah, we'll be back shortly.
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Speaker:We are going to get Dave up.
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Speaker:Uh, we're going to get Dave up and we'll be back soon.
Speaker:Today, I want us to consider what the apostles preached as they went
Speaker:throughout the world, declaring Jesus as their lord and resurrected saviour.
Speaker:The focus here in the book of Acts is on the ministry work of
Speaker:Paul and his co worker Barnabas.
Speaker:They have been set apart by the Holy Spirit to travel through
Speaker:various areas of the Roman Empire, preaching this good news message.
Speaker:They have been going into Jewish synagogues proclaiming that Jesus is
Speaker:the fulfilment of all of God's promises.
Speaker:They proclaim that we are being forgiven and freed from all that
Speaker:we could not free ourselves from.
Speaker:Acts 14 opens by showing that Paul and Barnabas are going into more
Speaker:cities proclaiming this good news.
Speaker:They have a mixed response from those people who hear their message.
Speaker:We read in Acts 14 verse 1 that Paul and Barnabas went into Iconium and, as
Speaker:usual, went into the Jewish synagogue.
Speaker:There we read that a great number of both Jews and Gentiles received
Speaker:their message and become believers.
Speaker:Yet we read in verse 2 that there are unbelieving Jews who are stirring up
Speaker:trouble amongst the people and poisoning their minds against Paul and Barnabas.
Speaker:What's happening here is that the enemy is using these people to
Speaker:poison the minds of the people in order to turn their hearts against
Speaker:Paul and Barnabas and their message.
Speaker:This is what the enemy does.
Speaker:Poison minds.
Speaker:To turn them against the truth and against those who speak the truth.
Speaker:Verse 4 tells us that the city of Iconium was completely divided.
Speaker:Some sided with the Apostles and some sided with the opposition.
Speaker:We go on to read in verse 5 how the opposition becomes so great that the
Speaker:Gentiles and the Jews, along with the leaders of the city, start to
Speaker:conspire to attack Paul and Barnabas.
Speaker:and to kill them by stoning.
Speaker:We read that Paul and Barnabas find out about the plot and
Speaker:escape, so they go to another city.
Speaker:And what do you think they do?
Speaker:Well, verse 7 tells us where they continue to preach the gospel.
Speaker:This is the same message, the same gospel.
Speaker:In verse 9, Paul and Barnabas enter the city of Lystra and there they find
Speaker:a man who's been lame since birth.
Speaker:He's never walked.
Speaker:The man was listening to Paul's preaching.
Speaker:Then Paul looked at him, and seeing his faith, declared in a loud voice.
Speaker:In verse 10, Stand up on your feet.
Speaker:Immediately we read that the man jumped up and began to walk.
Speaker:That must have been an amazing sight to see.
Speaker:The crowd that was listening to Paul was so astounded.
Speaker:But notice what these observers say, we read in verse 11, They shouted
Speaker:in the Lycaonian language, The gods have come down to us in human form.
Speaker:These people actually thought the Greek gods have come to earth.
Speaker:They call Barnabas Zeus and they call Paul Hermes.
Speaker:The priests of Zeus bring out oxen so that they can make a sacrifice to Paul and
Speaker:Barnabas because they think they're gods and the crowd want to be part of this.
Speaker:When Paul and Barnabas understand what the people are doing,
Speaker:please note their response.
Speaker:They do not accept this.
Speaker:They do not receive the praise and the flattery of the people.
Speaker:They are not happy about what is happening.
Speaker:Paul and Barnabas's response is that they tear their clothes and
Speaker:they run into the crowd to tell them to stop doing what they're doing.
Speaker:Could we just pause for a moment?
Speaker:I believe that there's a warning for us here today in this scripture.
Speaker:It is so important that we do not make celebrities of our
Speaker:pastors or worship leaders, etc.
Speaker:Let's not turn them into gods or idols.
Speaker:Their primary responsibility is to honour God in all that they do.
Speaker:My friends, by all means, honour and respect them and be thankful
Speaker:for their ministries, but let's make sure that we give all the honour,
Speaker:all the glory, all the focus to God.
Speaker:Let's return to our reading in the Book of Acts.
Speaker:We read their message in verse 15 and 17.
Speaker:People, why are you doing these things?
Speaker:We are people also, just like you, and we are proclaiming good news to you, that
Speaker:you will turn from these worthless things to the Living God, who made the heaven,
Speaker:the air, the sea, and everything in them.
Speaker:Can you hear the thrust of their message?
Speaker:We are bringing you good news, that we are to turn from these worthless things
Speaker:to the Living God, who made all things.
Speaker:The good news is that we do not need to worship what has been created because
Speaker:doing so is worthless, useless and empty.
Speaker:Friends, if we are involved in the worthless things of this world, how
Speaker:can we ever tell people to turn from the worthless things of the world?
Speaker:We must show by our actions, our words and our attitudes.
Speaker:That we value relationship with Jesus above the emptiness of the world.
Speaker:With this response in Lystra, we would think that the rest of the time
Speaker:would go well for Paul and Barnabas.
Speaker:They are barely restraining the people from worshipping them, in verse 18.
Speaker:But look at verse 19.
Speaker:Some of the opposing Jews from Antioch and Iconium persuade the crowds.
Speaker:They stone Paul and they drag him out of the city, believing that he was dead.
Speaker:What a change in their opinion.
Speaker:The crowd go from trying to worship Paul and Barnabas to declaring that
Speaker:their actions are worthy of death.
Speaker:After the crowd leaves, the disciples gather around him and we read that Paul
Speaker:gets up and went back into the city.
Speaker:Yes, that's right, he went back into the city.
Speaker:Then, the next day, Paul and Barnabas leave for the next city.
Speaker:Even stoning does not stop Paul.
Speaker:We read they preach the gospel in the next city in Derby as well.
Speaker:They don't stop, they don't think, we must be wise here, we mustn't be foolish.
Speaker:What they thought is this is where God has called us to, and we know what God has
Speaker:called us to say and do, so we must do it.
Speaker:I want us to focus our attention on verse 21 and 22.
Speaker:Paul and Barnabas return to Lystra, that's the city where
Speaker:Paul was stoned, to Iconium.
Speaker:The city where the crowds and the leaders were planning to stone them.
Speaker:Where they escaped from.
Speaker:Then to Antioch, where the people were stirred up against Paul and Barnabas,
Speaker:and they were driven out of that city.
Speaker:And yet we read that they returned to those same cities and met
Speaker:with the disciples they had made.
Speaker:At this point, are you wondering what Paul and Barnabas are going to
Speaker:share with these new disciples after experiencing persecution and hardship?
Speaker:What are they going to tell these disciples?
Speaker:Well, verse 22 says this, We must go through many hardships
Speaker:to enter the Kingdom of God.
Speaker:Let me remind you, the point of going back was to encourage these
Speaker:new believers, encouraging them to stay true to their newfound faith.
Speaker:Paul and Barnabas message is this, It's necessary to go through many
Speaker:hardships to enter the Kingdom of God.
Speaker:Is that encouraging to you?
Speaker:Does that strengthen you?
Speaker:On the surface, I think my immediate response is that
Speaker:it's not very encouraging.
Speaker:You know, to be honest, my preference would be not to go
Speaker:through hardship and persecution.
Speaker:I don't want it to be hard to enter the Kingdom of God.
Speaker:Yet, I want us to see why this is an encouragement.
Speaker:Paul and Barnabas are meeting with these disciples.
Speaker:I wonder what these new disciples thought when they saw Paul bruised and beaten.
Speaker:What was Paul trying to tell these disciples?
Speaker:I think he's simply telling them that nothing went wrong.
Speaker:This was not a mistake.
Speaker:We so often equate pain with making a mistake.
Speaker:Paul is telling us.
Speaker:That going through hardship for the sake of Jesus is not a mistake.
Speaker:It is through our hardships, not our ease, that we will enter God's Kingdom.
Speaker:I want to say it again, nothing went wrong.
Speaker:There is going to be opposition, but the mission must continue.
Speaker:We must continue to carry the good news of Jesus, whether it's received or rejected.
Speaker:I think it would be true to say that.
Speaker:Many Christians can have a tendency to think that if they encounter resistance
Speaker:or hardship, something is wrong.
Speaker:My friends, can I just suggest maybe it's just time to lean harder
Speaker:into God and trust him even more.
Speaker:Can I conclude with this?
Speaker:One of my favourite quotes of all time is from a book I read
Speaker:as a very young Christian, a book by a guy called Jim Elliot.
Speaker:And the quote says simply this.
Speaker:He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
Speaker:It's such a wonderful quote.
Speaker:That quote speaks so much of the heart of that man.
Speaker:My friends, can I encourage you to be faithful to the call of God.
Speaker:Take every opportunity he sets before you.
Speaker:And trust Him, because He is faithful always.
Speaker:God bless you.
Speaker:Coming up, we have Conversation Street.
Speaker:But before we get into that, here's a clip from our podcast, What's the Story?
Speaker:Which you can subscribe to on all your favourite podcast
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Speaker:I
Speaker:always think about what my husband said something to me early on.
Speaker:If we don't get the answer for your health situation the way we want...
Speaker:All we're doing is trading what we can't keep for something we can never
Speaker:lose, and it made so much sense because I wanted that healing, but, you know,
Speaker:any healing, any physical healing is only going to be temporary, and I
Speaker:think God has His sights on something so much more permanent than that.
Speaker:He's always been about seeking a relationship with us.
Speaker:And he'll go to any lengths, you know, any cost to him, any cost
Speaker:to us to have that relationship.
Speaker:One of the real bonuses of having this long term health condition has shown
Speaker:me is that what I really needed and wanted was that relationship and not
Speaker:so much that healing that I started out thinking that was what I really needed.
Speaker:Welcome back.
Speaker:Welcome to Conversation Street.
Speaker:Great that you are here.
Speaker:Uh, like Matt Crew put in the comments, what I love about Dave Con is that
Speaker:he fits his talks within 12 minutes, succinctly puts everything in.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:So other than the fact that it was 12 minutes long, what else did we think of
Speaker:Dave Connolly's talk, Pastor Dave, who has been a friend of ours for a very, very
Speaker:long time.
Speaker:Yeah, I've got quite a few points that I thought would be good to pick up on, but
Speaker:just listening to that What's the Story intro, I just thought it was interesting
Speaker:that what that lady said really linked with that quote that Dave said.
Speaker:The quote Dave said was He is no fool that gives what he cannot keep to gain
Speaker:what he cannot lose, and she kind of said the same but in slightly different
Speaker:wording, so apparently that wasn't
Speaker:planned.
Speaker:Definitely, well, I say that, um, Tanya who does all the clips, um, and does all
Speaker:the editing may well have planned it, uh, but I, knowing Tanya, and I love Tanya
Speaker:to bits, I don't think it was planned.
Speaker:That would be my guess.
Speaker:I will find out next week, actually, I'm quite interested.
Speaker:That was the story episode with, um, I think her name is Lori
Speaker:Ann, if I remember rightly.
Speaker:Have you heard that episode?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Oh, it's just as remarkable, uh, really compelling story that she has, um,
Speaker:just later on in life found a heart condition, uh, and unless God does a
Speaker:miracle, um, things aren't looking great.
Speaker:So just the way she talks about that and the way she talks about her story
Speaker:and her journey with God through it, um.
Speaker:Just remarkable, um, Lori Ann, go check out that episode, whatsthestorypodcast.
Speaker:com, um, you will be genuinely inspired, what a lovely lady, what a brave lady,
Speaker:um, and yes, uh, that quote tied in very well with, uh, was it Jim Elliott, uh, he
Speaker:is no, what was it, he is no fool to...
Speaker:He is no fool that gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Yeah, roughly.
Speaker:Roughly translated.
Speaker:Uh, yes, no, cool.
Speaker:So let's get into Conversation Street.
Speaker:And, uh, let's dig, uh, yeah, Matt Crews as it is, Lori Ann, I thought it was.
Speaker:Um, and, uh, Anna doing a remarkable job there with What's
Speaker:The Story, uh, and the interviews.
Speaker:Just some incredible stuff coming out.
Speaker:I'm loving the podcast.
Speaker:Genuinely loving the podcast.
Speaker:But let's talk about, um, The talk, because that's what we do on Conversation
Speaker:Street, we talk about the talk.
Speaker:Uh, woohoo.
Speaker:Uh, so, babe, um, sorry we are married, if you've just done this lately.
Speaker:You don't call just anyone baby,
Speaker:well Dan Orange maybe on occasion.
Speaker:Um, but no, listen, yeah, if you've just joined us, welcome,
Speaker:my name is Matt, this is Sharon.
Speaker:Uh, we are some of the leaders here at Crowd Church.
Speaker:Um, I say some, because one of the things that Dave said, and one of the things
Speaker:that we've tried very hard to avoid is the celebrity culture of the pastor.
Speaker:Um, which is, it's a lot easier to do when your church is smaller, like Crowd.
Speaker:It's not so easy to do when you've got the mega church, you know, and everything's
Speaker:geared around quite a charismatic pastor.
Speaker:Um, yeah,
Speaker:that was one of the points that I've got about four things I was like, Oh, I
Speaker:could really do picking up on those and so Celebrity was one of those because I
Speaker:think we have seen a lot of difficulties within churches where that is an issue
Speaker:where everything kind of focuses more on the church leader or the worship
Speaker:leader rather than actually on Jesus.
Speaker:Um, but on the flip side of that, I thought.
Speaker:Actually, sometimes it can, like if, if we're getting a lot of praise from
Speaker:people, if we're doing something good, it can be easy for us to kind of get
Speaker:into that, oh, I'm the celebrity kind of thing, or do you know what I mean,
Speaker:just soak up the praise of people rather than going, hang on a minute.
Speaker:It's, it's great to be encouraged, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But there's a difference between encouragement and having that
Speaker:whole kind of celebrity culture.
Speaker:Yeah, there is, and it's a really interesting one, isn't it, about, um.
Speaker:You know, where do you boast, uh, you know, where it's, it's, because here
Speaker:at work, for those of you who don't know, I run my own company, in fact,
Speaker:the studio is at my, um, warehouse.
Speaker:Uh, we are in our warehouse as we speak.
Speaker:Um, and so we have this studio here, I run a company, um, I get invited
Speaker:to go speak all over the world.
Speaker:I'm involved in stuff.
Speaker:Um, it's easy.
Speaker:To fall into this idea of building your own brand, right?
Speaker:Which is, this is a really popular thing in the business world at the moment.
Speaker:You need to build your own brand.
Speaker:And there is some, I get why people are saying it from a marketing point of view.
Speaker:You know, we need to build our own brand.
Speaker:The CEO needs to have his own brand.
Speaker:He needs to have his own Twitter feed and, uh, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:And I get it.
Speaker:I do understand it.
Speaker:I get the pull of it and the desire of it.
Speaker:Um, but I felt challenged, I think, when we started Crowd.
Speaker:to pull away from that, to stop building the Matt Edmundson brand
Speaker:for want of a better expression.
Speaker:And so haven't done that for the last two or three years and I have
Speaker:to say it's been quite liberating.
Speaker:Good, glad to hear it.
Speaker:I don't know if it's helped us as a business, uh, I'm not gonna lie, I don't
Speaker:know whether that's helped us or not.
Speaker:Um, but I do get this desire, this pull to be the celebrity, to be the
Speaker:leader, to be, uh, the person whose name is on the, you know, uh, on the
Speaker:top of the document or whatever it is.
Speaker:Whether that's as a pastor, whether that's as a business leader.
Speaker:Um, and it's not wrong, obviously, because it is, well, it's our company.
Speaker:It is, um, our name at the top of the piece of paper, um, but it's not about me
Speaker:and church is not about the pastor, is it?
Speaker:And this is what we talk about with the celebrity side
Speaker:of things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like church should be about Jesus, about God, it's like he is celebrity in a
Speaker:sense, but obviously a lot more than that.
Speaker:Yeah, what do you think are some of the downfalls of the current sort of
Speaker:celebrity pastor culture that we have?
Speaker:Um, I think it's place, it's making an idol of things that it's like, um, the
Speaker:way we're designed to be is with God is The one that we look to for everything.
Speaker:He's meant to be our main priority and everything falls under that.
Speaker:But with celebrity culture, I think we can tend to elevate people to a position
Speaker:that they were never designed to be in.
Speaker:So then it can go to people's heads.
Speaker:So our affection is kind of misplaced.
Speaker:And I think we can put, um, too much stock on what our expectations of
Speaker:people and give, um, Yeah, put...
Speaker:False expectations of people, um, but at the same time can lead them to then
Speaker:getting proud and abusing power and all that kind of thing, which is not designed
Speaker:for it, even though we tend to be drawn, we want to be liked, don't we, we want
Speaker:to be encouraged, and I think, yeah, the Bible tells us to encourage each other.
Speaker:But God's designed us to work in a certain way and he's not designed us
Speaker:where we're like idolizing people.
Speaker:Yeah, it's very true.
Speaker:He's, uh, the Bible calls Jesus the head.
Speaker:Um, so he's, he's, he's the head, isn't he?
Speaker:And it's, it's, it's interesting, you know, there have been some high profile
Speaker:pastors who have been in the media.
Speaker:Um, who have for what, you know, one reason or another celebrity
Speaker:culture has not helped them.
Speaker:They felt the pressure of that they've either ended up having an affair or
Speaker:there was abuse that came out of it.
Speaker:And there's the problem when you put too much power in.
Speaker:One person's hands, isn't it?
Speaker:And so, um, it's, I get the need for leadership.
Speaker:I do.
Speaker:And obviously the Bible is very clear on leadership.
Speaker:Um, but yeah, that celebrity culture, the lack of accountability, that
Speaker:would be another thing that we see a lot in that culture, isn't it?
Speaker:That, um, you, you start to become unaccountable for a lot of your actions
Speaker:because it's like, well, no God.
Speaker:It's when you use phrases like, well, God said, you know, well, God's told
Speaker:me, I'm the pastor, God's told me we are to do dot, dot, dot, therefore there's,
Speaker:it's very hard to argue against that if you're a lay person, I think it's, um.
Speaker:And Jesus modeled the sort of leadership that is part of his
Speaker:kingdom which is a servant leadership.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And he says, he said to his disciples that in the world leaders tend to lord it over.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:People under them but he's like that's not the way this kingdom works.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:To serve people and to lift other people up not lift yourself up.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:yeah absolutely.
Speaker:And this is what Dave was trying to draw out of that passage wasn't
Speaker:it when The crowds were going, the gods have come amongst us.
Speaker:I mean that, that's going to sound really good, isn't it?
Speaker:I, you know, uh, God's using you that much that people think you are in fact God.
Speaker:You know, and there's the miracles, the signs, the wonders, and all
Speaker:that sort of stuff, which is fantastic, following them around.
Speaker:The gods have come down amongst us, and they're like, no, no, hang on a minute.
Speaker:Uh, this is, it's not right to call us gods, and I think, um, as leaders
Speaker:we should probably Just take that on board, shouldn't we, really?
Speaker:Oh, I've switched the wrong camera.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Good camera switching, Matthew.
Speaker:But no, we should.
Speaker:We should definitely take that on board, shouldn't we?
Speaker:And remember that this is all about God.
Speaker:It's all about glorifying Him.
Speaker:And when we lose that, when we lose that ability to do that, when
Speaker:we stop seeing Him and start...
Speaker:Falling back on our own ability to do stuff, then we've got,
Speaker:um, we have got problems.
Speaker:And it's not, like you say, it's not just related to celebrity pastors.
Speaker:Um, I think it's, it's true in all walks of life, we can all fall danger of this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, Andy says here, God is CEO of all churches.
Speaker:Like the language there, Andy.
Speaker:Yeah, very big business language.
Speaker:I think it's very, very true.
Speaker:Um, uh, what's this Nicola said, never designed or sometimes wanted.
Speaker:Uh, I'm assuming we're talking about the Celebrity pastor thing, I think.
Speaker:Um, so yeah, it's...
Speaker:It's one of those where, uh, we want Sharon back, thanks.
Speaker:Just going through the comments, obviously talking about my dodgy camera switching.
Speaker:So, celebrity pastor aside, um, what Dave said, there's this very interesting
Speaker:phrase that he used about honouring your pastors and honouring your leaders,
Speaker:which we do talk about a lot in church.
Speaker:Now, this is going to sound like a really fascinating conversation,
Speaker:given that we are The leaders, I suppose, of crowd in many ways.
Speaker:Um, there's obviously there's Anna and Dan and people as well
Speaker:who aren't on the live stream.
Speaker:So it's not just us, just want to point that out.
Speaker:There are other people involved, uh, just so we know.
Speaker:Um, what do we, what do you hear and understand by the phrase honour?
Speaker:So when you, when you, when we talk about honouring leadership,
Speaker:what does that mean to you?
Speaker:Good question.
Speaker:Um...
Speaker:I guess, to be respectful and thankful, and I don't think it's just within
Speaker:the church context, I think that works within any context that we work in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, that the Bible does tell us to, um, like pray for our
Speaker:leaders, and yeah, there's that whole respect within leadership.
Speaker:When they might not always be easy, it might not be easy to do that all
Speaker:the time, and it doesn't mean that we, um, like if somebody's doing something
Speaker:very wrong, it doesn't mean that we just gloss over it and pretend that's
Speaker:not happening, but I think Yeah.
Speaker:Just having that sense of respect and thankfulness.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:For the good
Speaker:things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think so.
Speaker:I think it's a, Matt said that great answer.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Uh, great answer.
Speaker:And I think you did.
Speaker:I think that's very good.
Speaker:I think I, I dunno if I can add anything to it.
Speaker:Um, I was,
Speaker:So I think it's interesting that the Bible does tell us to pray for our
Speaker:leaders, whoever they might be, and they need it, don't they, because they're
Speaker:leading people, it's difficult, and also people as leaders, everybody's flawed.
Speaker:They really need a lot of our prayers, and that's probably something I
Speaker:forget to do on a regular basis.
Speaker:But it's easy to moan about our leaders when they're getting it wrong and
Speaker:doing a bad job, but actually we have a responsibility to pray for people.
Speaker:Yeah, and actually you could argue other leaders doing a bad job because
Speaker:the church isn't praying for them.
Speaker:Especially like political leaders, um, you know.
Speaker:Uh, it's always one of my favourite questions to ask
Speaker:Christians who are moaning about.
Speaker:The state of the country is like, it's great, but how much have
Speaker:you prayed for them recently?
Speaker:That's not to say our leaders are above reproach, they're not,
Speaker:especially the political leaders.
Speaker:And it's good to call, like you say, we call stuff out, you know,
Speaker:there's, when it's a lie, it's a lie.
Speaker:We've got to call that out.
Speaker:You know, things like, um, putting refugees and asylum seekers on a boat
Speaker:and shipping them off to another country is just, things like that are wrong.
Speaker:And we should, we should, you know, call that out, shouldn't we?
Speaker:But at the same time.
Speaker:These are imperfect people who have an immense role and need our prayers.
Speaker:And it's the same in church, you know, leadership, I think is one of those things
Speaker:that everybody wants until they get it.
Speaker:And then it's like, Oh, actually, this thing is not as good as
Speaker:I thought it was going to be.
Speaker:What do you mean?
Speaker:I have to do things.
Speaker:I have to sacrifice.
Speaker:I have to serve.
Speaker:I have to do this, that and the other.
Speaker:Um, at least that's the leadership we feel we should be modeling as Christians.
Speaker:I think the leadership that Jesus modeled is one of sacrifice
Speaker:and service, like you said.
Speaker:Not one of power and lording it over people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Fascinating, isn't it?
Speaker:Fascinating.
Speaker:Um, so anything else on that?
Speaker:Uh, I've got other points.
Speaker:Yeah, let's go pick up on the other points, you go for it.
Speaker:Let me do this.
Speaker:Yeah, I think, I thought it was interesting that Dave was talking about
Speaker:hardship and how Paul went and encouraged the, uh, the people that had become
Speaker:Christians by, and his encouragement was to say, you're going to have a hard time.
Speaker:I'm definitely with Dave on this one, would much prefer a lovely, easy time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, we've just come back, well, not long ago, come back from holiday and
Speaker:it was like so nice and relaxing.
Speaker:Sorry, I'm losing a, uh,
Speaker:has it fallen out?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, um, yeah, it was really lovely and relaxing and.
Speaker:You know, and then you come back and it's like, all this stuff
Speaker:going on and problems in your life.
Speaker:Um, yeah, it would be nice if life was like one big holiday.
Speaker:But the reality is it's not, um, but I think as Christians, we can sometimes
Speaker:think that if things are going wrong, it can be like, Oh, why are they going wrong?
Speaker:I'm following God.
Speaker:Surely everything should be fine.
Speaker:And I think sometimes things do go wrong because we've been stupid
Speaker:or we've made the wrong decision.
Speaker:But...
Speaker:Mentioning no names live.
Speaker:But
Speaker:that's only a tiny part of the story.
Speaker:If you look throughout the whole Bible, there's people who love God, who are
Speaker:following God, and life is just hard.
Speaker:Um, and they're doing, they're doing exactly what they've been called
Speaker:to do, like Paul and Barnabas.
Speaker:Um, they're where God wants them to be, but things just keep going wrong.
Speaker:So I don't think we can judge.
Speaker:Whether we're in God's will or not, or whether, you know, we've done
Speaker:something wrong just because life's difficult and things are going bad
Speaker:we kind of need discernment to know what's going on in these situations.
Speaker:Sometimes it is just because we are directly in God's will and the Bible
Speaker:talks about that we have an enemy.
Speaker:Oh, I'm losing it again.
Speaker:My ears must be small.
Speaker:Um, yeah, we have an enemy who wants to pull us away from the truth, wants to pull
Speaker:us away from God, and would do anything to try and do that, and we're living in this
Speaker:broken world, so stuff is going to happen, and that's just a fact of life, which
Speaker:I don't really like, but it's a fact of
Speaker:life.
Speaker:Yeah, no one wants it.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No one wants it, but you, um, you can't get away from.
Speaker:The fact the Bible talks about it and warns us against it, warns us
Speaker:against it, warns us about it really.
Speaker:Um, you're going to face hardships, you're going to face trials and
Speaker:tribulations and persecutions and we're not immune from it, right?
Speaker:Which is why
Speaker:I think Dave, I think quite well pulled that out that on the surface of it, that
Speaker:doesn't sound like an encouragement.
Speaker:But actually, it is an encouragement because if you're going through a
Speaker:hard time, it doesn't mean that you're in the wrong place or you're in the
Speaker:wrong stuff or that you've missed it.
Speaker:It might be that that's just the way it is right now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's very true.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:It's um, it's, we always say it's, it's very difficult to judge the will of God by
Speaker:what you're going through in life, right?
Speaker:Because again, the will of God is not about how you feel about it.
Speaker:Um, and Dave talked about this, didn't he?
Speaker:You know, I think if you have a good sense of mission, a good sense of purpose, it's
Speaker:a lot easier to face those hardships.
Speaker:So Paul, again, Dave drew this out in the talk, that Paul goes back to the place
Speaker:that stoned him practically to death.
Speaker:I mean, I'd have PTSD.
Speaker:You'd have flashbacks, wouldn't you, when you sort of go
Speaker:back to something like that.
Speaker:But Paul heads back there to encourage the church at that place, doesn't he?
Speaker:It's really interesting, his approach to that whole thing, um, I
Speaker:don't think he was blasé about it.
Speaker:No, you don't get that sense.
Speaker:I don't get that sense reading scripture, but I get the sense
Speaker:that he was fearless about it.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean, he kind of, he had the sense of mission,
Speaker:sense of call, he knew what
Speaker:he was doing.
Speaker:Yeah, which I think is another point on here because Dave as well brought
Speaker:that out about that Paul and Barnabas knew what they were called to and
Speaker:they were very much focused on that.
Speaker:And he was talking about the different reactions of different
Speaker:people to what they were doing and some people loved it and responded
Speaker:to the message, some people hated it.
Speaker:And it's like we can be doing what God wants us to do, but we're going to get
Speaker:different reactions from different people.
Speaker:But I get the impression that Paul and Barnabas were so focused on their call
Speaker:and what they were meant to do, that it's almost like you can kind of drown out
Speaker:these other voices, in a sense, and just kind of go, Okay, God's pleased with me.
Speaker:That's all I need to focus on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And forget about that.
Speaker:And again, I think that's quite a good principle for life is knowing
Speaker:what God has called us to do, which I realize can be a tricky subject.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:that's a topic on its own, right?
Speaker:Personally, I think from scripture, I get the impression that we've
Speaker:Everybody's got this general calling which is a lot easier so things like
Speaker:give thanks in all circumstances and if in all the work you're doing work
Speaker:as if you're working to God so whether that's paid work or voluntary work or
Speaker:whether you're at home with the kids whatever productive kind of stuff that
Speaker:you're involved in it's like we're not working for people and for people's
Speaker:praise but let's let's do it to God.
Speaker:Yeah, so I think just that whole thing of knowing what we're called to
Speaker:do, whether that's in a very general sense, uh, sometimes I think we can
Speaker:possibly get too hung up on, Oh, I don't know what God's called me to
Speaker:do and get a bit paralysed by it.
Speaker:So it's just start with the simple stuff that we know is for everybody.
Speaker:Work from
Speaker:there.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Um, just going back to this, uh, back to the comments, Nicola says,
Speaker:hardships make you who you are.
Speaker:It's what you do with it that counts.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, you can grow through what you go through, uh, is the
Speaker:phrase I use all the time.
Speaker:Uh, or you can just let it mess you up, I suppose.
Speaker:And he said, as long as you're in God's mission, um, you're
Speaker:heading in the right direction.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um.
Speaker:Which is very, very true.
Speaker:And that again, coming back to calling, because like you say, a
Speaker:lot of people get caught up on this.
Speaker:You know, what am I called to do?
Speaker:What's God's calling on my life?
Speaker:And for some of us, in fact, let me say for the majority of us, That is a
Speaker:lifelong process of finding out, right.
Speaker:And I do think that just like Paul goes on this missionary journey, what we see
Speaker:in Acts is like God calls Paul to go here, then to go there, then to go there.
Speaker:And as Paul just knows this bit, he doesn't know all of this.
Speaker:He just knows this bit and that tends to be how life is.
Speaker:We just know the next little bit and somehow God works it all together.
Speaker:But calling is, like you say, there are some general points to our calling.
Speaker:And if you're wondering what your calling is, if you're wondering what
Speaker:your mission in life is, and you're not sure, start with what you know, right?
Speaker:And so, where exactly, where are you at?
Speaker:And calling is a lot like a coin.
Speaker:You know, I know we don't use cash anymore since COVID.
Speaker:But if I had a coin, I'd show you but I've not seen a coin for a long time.
Speaker:But on the British coins, we still have the Queen's head on
Speaker:one side or now the new King.
Speaker:And then we have the, you know, a specific value on one side.
Speaker:And common to every single coin is the, is the crown, right?
Speaker:That's common to every single coin.
Speaker:So King Charles will be on every single coin at some point, right?
Speaker:It was Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker:Now it's going to be King Charles.
Speaker:And for us as Christians, our lives, there are things which markers.
Speaker:Which are the same for all of us.
Speaker:So things like give thanks in all situations.
Speaker:You know, there are certain things which we are called to do.
Speaker:Live a life that is pleasing to God.
Speaker:Um, there are all of these things, right?
Speaker:Pray for your leaders.
Speaker:We talked about that.
Speaker:All of these things that, you know, are general things which we are called to do.
Speaker:That's the crown side.
Speaker:And then when you flip the coin over, you get the specific value of that coin.
Speaker:The specific thing that it's, you know, it's denomination, what it's there for.
Speaker:Um, and that's.
Speaker:You know, these specific callings that God gives us, understanding
Speaker:what that is for this season in life, this point in time, and it may
Speaker:change over time, and that's fine.
Speaker:But understanding that is not as important as you think it is, and it's
Speaker:not as complicated as we think it is.
Speaker:And I like what Andy said, we put it on the screen, as long as
Speaker:you're on God's mission, you're heading in the right direction.
Speaker:I actually think it's, if you're a Christian...
Speaker:Who is praying and, you know, trying to do the right thing, you're, you're
Speaker:listening to the voice of God as best as you can, you, you may not be perfect,
Speaker:but it's actually, I think it's much harder to miss the will of God for our
Speaker:lives than we, than we think it is.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:If you are a Christian with the Holy Spirit inside you guiding you.
Speaker:I wouldn't worry about it and stress about it too much.
Speaker:So hopefully that's an encouragement to you if you're wondering about, you know,
Speaker:what God, what does God call me to do?
Speaker:If you focus on the royal side first, focus on the crown, focus on
Speaker:the things of God, the other stuff becomes clearer as you go through.
Speaker:That's my observation.
Speaker:Nicola
Speaker:says she's called to be awesome.
Speaker:I do like that Nicola.
Speaker:Zoe, my daughter, our daughter as well, well, you know, she's yours and mine.
Speaker:Um, we've been working on these t shirt designs called Created Awesome.
Speaker:I am created awesome.
Speaker:It's just a burden I have to bear.
Speaker:Um, it's, it's one of the phrases that I use on all the
Speaker:podcasts that I'm involved with.
Speaker:And um, so I totally agree Nicola, I'm called to be, we
Speaker:are all called to be awesome.
Speaker:We are created awesome.
Speaker:Although
Speaker:somebody did misread one of the t shirts recently and went, what's grated awesome?
Speaker:Well
Speaker:I take whatever I can get I suppose.
Speaker:I'm grated awesome.
Speaker:Created awesome is just a burden I've got to bear.
Speaker:You've got to bear it, I've got to bear it, Sharon's got to bear it, we've all
Speaker:got to bear it, it's just a burden.
Speaker:Ksarar Sarar.
Speaker:Hashtag First World Problems.
Speaker:Dealing with awesomes.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:So what's next on your little list?
Speaker:Uh, that's kind
Speaker:of it really.
Speaker:I'll work through.
Speaker:Oh wow.
Speaker:Did you have any?
Speaker:Well, I mean.
Speaker:Pick up on.
Speaker:Yeah, there's A number of things, isn't there?
Speaker:I mean, we've, one of the things, going back to the hardship thing, we've talked
Speaker:a lot about that over recent weeks.
Speaker:It seems to be a recurring theme in the Book of Acts.
Speaker:God moves, God does a miraculous, but persecution, hardship, sufferings,
Speaker:tribulations, trials, whatever language we want to use, life not
Speaker:going the way we expect it to go.
Speaker:Also seems to be one of the key themes of Acts, which is why we've talked
Speaker:about it so much over the last few weeks, because you can't, you can't
Speaker:read the book of Acts and think everything is rosy in life, right?
Speaker:Um, I'm always amazed when, I mean, I don't do pastoral counselling that well,
Speaker:mainly because when I sit down with people who are not happy that life's not going
Speaker:well, and don't get me wrong, I understand it and there is empathy, you know, It is
Speaker:hard, it is tough, but when life's not going well, but you kind of have this
Speaker:entitlement belief that it should go well, I'm like, I really struggle with that.
Speaker:I'm like, okay, so you're the one person that the Bible does therefore not apply
Speaker:to because you can't read scripture and escape this, that life is in seasons,
Speaker:that there's going to be ups, there are going to be downs, um, and God is with
Speaker:us regardless, you know, and judging.
Speaker:What God is saying, judging what God is doing on the basis of how I feel is always
Speaker:a dangerous place to be and so So yeah, that's a reason why we've talked about
Speaker:it so much If you've been following us on recent live streams, you can't escape it.
Speaker:You just it can't it's in Acts It's just it's a theme of Acts, you know, there's
Speaker:these amazing things happening, but there's incredibly hard things happening
Speaker:at the same time and in fact, I remember a guy called Peter Daniels who was I
Speaker:don't know if he's still around actually, Peter Dan, I assume he is, um, he became
Speaker:a Christian, Australian guy, became a Christian, very wealthy businessman,
Speaker:and he started going around doing these different, um, talks, just, you know,
Speaker:some people would say it was self help, it's not, he brought the gospel into it,
Speaker:really, I really appreciated his talks, um, from this wealthy business guys,
Speaker:and he said, um, he was talking about problems, and he made this statement
Speaker:which I've never ever forgotten, he said, if you've not got any problems in life.
Speaker:You need to get on your knees and say to God, do you not trust me anymore?
Speaker:And I thought that was a really powerful thing to say.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:It's like, if you've not got any problems, does God not trust you anymore?
Speaker:And I think, um, you know, God gives us things, doesn't he, to deal with
Speaker:and, and, and to work through and to, to bring his gospel to, to the world.
Speaker:So, um, yeah, I just wanted to round that, bring that, uh, in
Speaker:there, just in case you were...
Speaker:We're going to be talking about it again.
Speaker:There's no doubt it's coming up a lot in Acts.
Speaker:I think one of the things Dave, I think, said towards the end was about using every
Speaker:situation just to press more into God.
Speaker:And you could potentially say, well, is it, if we're going to
Speaker:have all these problems as a Christian, is it actually worth it?
Speaker:I think you're going to have problems whether, whatever faith
Speaker:or whether you've got no faith.
Speaker:And I kind of feel like it's better to.
Speaker:Do that with God than without, but it also reminds me, I think there's a story that
Speaker:Jesus tells about a guy who discovers that there's treasure in a field, so he sells
Speaker:everything he's got so that he can buy this field and to get the treasure and
Speaker:it's saying that whatever the price that we have to pay, that actually knowing God.
Speaker:It's worth it.
Speaker:It's actually worth it.
Speaker:And it's sometimes, depending on what we're going through and where our
Speaker:emotions are at that moment, it doesn't always feel that way, but I think it's
Speaker:hanging on to that truth that actually, God, Jesus, he's worth giving all that
Speaker:stuff up for because he is so much more.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker:And that's what Lori Ann makes clear in her podcast.
Speaker:I don't know if you heard that at the end, she said, what she discovered
Speaker:throughout that whole process was the relationship that she...
Speaker:You know, it's just transformed her life was more important than the
Speaker:healing that she started out to to get.
Speaker:She, she, she started searching for healing and she discovered
Speaker:relationship with God.
Speaker:Whatever that means and looks like for her, you know, but she drew near to
Speaker:God and in that met him in a very real and powerful way And, you know, is now
Speaker:telling a story and encouraging people.
Speaker:She's written a book called Divine Detours.
Speaker:There's all kinds of stuff going on.
Speaker:God is using her in that situation.
Speaker:And I think, yes, press into God.
Speaker:I think the only other thing from my notes, from what Dave was saying,
Speaker:was that the gospel in the mind of the Christian is good news.
Speaker:It means good news, right?
Speaker:Not everybody receives it in the same way,
Speaker:And that's, that's something else that we learned from this, isn't it?
Speaker:It's like every, not everyone's happy to hear it.
Speaker:And you might, you, you might go, well, hang on, this is the, the greatest news.
Speaker:Why would you not want to, uh, understand this?
Speaker:Why would you not want to receive this?
Speaker:Because it's been so transformational for you.
Speaker:It's been so life giving.
Speaker:You know, this gospel, this Jesus who has changed our lives.
Speaker:We think everybody.
Speaker:Would be mind blown if they, you know, receive this gospel, but actually some
Speaker:people don't receive it particularly well.
Speaker:So some people will be like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker:Some people were so angry with Paul and Barnabas that they
Speaker:stoned him practically to death.
Speaker:I mean, praise God that doesn't happen today.
Speaker:Well, in this country.
Speaker:Well, in this country.
Speaker:It does still happen in many parts of the world.
Speaker:It does happen around the world, but, you know, praise God not here.
Speaker:Um, I don't think I've got a lynch mob waiting outside, waiting to
Speaker:stone me for doing the live stream.
Speaker:Um, but it, it, it is one of those things that we have to be aware of
Speaker:that when we're sharing the gospel, when we're sharing the good news.
Speaker:So when we put stuff out on social media, not all the comments are
Speaker:positive, as we've discovered, right?
Speaker:Um, and so when people put negative comments on the social
Speaker:media, don't have a go at them.
Speaker:Just invite questions, just ask them questions about what they've put
Speaker:and start the conversation and see where it goes because you never know.
Speaker:Um, but, you know, not everybody's going to receive the good news.
Speaker:Not everybody's ready to receive it at that point.
Speaker:And actually, for a number of people, it might make them angry and you,
Speaker:we shouldn't be surprised at that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, because the, by the gospel is actually also quite offensive
Speaker:because it challenges you and it challenges your personal beliefs.
Speaker:Um, and so I think.
Speaker:Just be aware of that, and be sensitive to that, that maybe the person that
Speaker:you're trying to share the gospel with at the moment, maybe now's not the
Speaker:best time because it might make them angry, but we can lead with some kind of
Speaker:questions, we can go into that a little bit further, but don't be surprised
Speaker:always by the reaction that people have.
Speaker:And we, it's like we don't have to control other people's reactions.
Speaker:We're not responsible for how people react to the message, we just have
Speaker:the responsibility to bring the
Speaker:message.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:And one of the things that we'll see with Paul's journey is actually, um,
Speaker:the way he brings the message differs between different people groups.
Speaker:He is very aware of who he is speaking to, and he brings a gospel in a
Speaker:way that's going to best connect with that people group, right?
Speaker:Um, so it's not just a case of one message for everybody.
Speaker:It's like understanding who's our audience, who are we trying to reach.
Speaker:What's the best way to connect with them?
Speaker:So we know for, with Crowd, for example, a lot of people who watch
Speaker:it aren't, are unchurched people.
Speaker:And if you're unchurched, if you're still searching in the Christian
Speaker:faith, you're so welcome here.
Speaker:And we love the fact that, you know, people come along, text us all the time.
Speaker:Questions, which I just love.
Speaker:A question is a stupid question.
Speaker:I just want to point that out.
Speaker:Love getting all the questions.
Speaker:Um, but that has an implication.
Speaker:That means when we, we don't always do a great job, but it means that when
Speaker:we communicate, we try and communicate without all the Christian ease,
Speaker:uh, that is, you know, prevalent.
Speaker:Um, we try, if we use words like salvation or redemption or
Speaker:all those sorts of words, um.
Speaker:We, we at least try and explain what they mean because we're aware of who the
Speaker:audience is or, you know, predominantly watching the, the, the live stream.
Speaker:Um, what's really cool, uh, Pastor Alexander, who was also on the podcast.
Speaker:If you haven't heard his story, you know, uh, Pastor Alexander from the Congo.
Speaker:I know that there are people in the Congo watching crowd and it's
Speaker:awesome, uh, that you are, you know, uh, and I just love that.
Speaker:I love the fact that it goes global.
Speaker:Um, but being aware of your audience and sharing the gospel.
Speaker:Uh, we're going to see that as we go through, just a little heads up,
Speaker:we're going to see that as we go through, which is going to be great.
Speaker:So, so the message stays the same, but the method of communicating that potentially
Speaker:changes.
Speaker:You're a genius.
Speaker:Love that.
Speaker:It's all
Speaker:about genius,
Speaker:but you know.
Speaker:She said it perfectly.
Speaker:I'm just going to stop talking now.
Speaker:In fact, here, just do this.
Speaker:You go ahead.
Speaker:I finished.
Speaker:Oh, is that it?
Speaker:Okay, cool.
Speaker:That
Speaker:was it.
Speaker:Well it is coming up to the top of the hour so I think we will
Speaker:close Conversation Street there.
Speaker:So, Matt's in the comments, next week is about freedom
Speaker:and relationship I do believe.
Speaker:Matt you will probably know more than me given that you manage all of this sort of,
Speaker:are involved in all of this sort of stuff.
Speaker:Anna Kettle is involved next week, yes she is, Anna who hosts a lot actually.
Speaker:Um, on Crowd, who is an absolute legend in her own right, is doing the talk
Speaker:next week.
Speaker:And we've got Dan and Ruth Orange who are hosting, brother and sister.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:awesome.
Speaker:They did it, they did it a few weeks ago together and we all thought this is really
Speaker:cool, brother and sister hosting crowd.
Speaker:And so they are back next week hosting crowd.
Speaker:We've got the amazing Anna Kettle talking.
Speaker:And so really, really looking forward to that.
Speaker:Anna, Anna's just another one of those person you mentioned earlier on.
Speaker:She's like, you know, because she's been through a lot.
Speaker:You hear her story on what's the story you hear, you learn about
Speaker:all the miscarriages that her and Andy, her husband have been through.
Speaker:And she said the same thing.
Speaker:I remember her saying, you know, If I didn't have God, I would still have
Speaker:to face all of this, but without him, better with him than without him.
Speaker:And so really looking forward to it.
Speaker:Anna, coming on to the show.
Speaker:Uh, we love Dan and Ruth.
Speaker:We love, oh there's a lot of love in the comments for these guys, which is great.
Speaker:Uh, so yes, do promote the Zoom, thank you.
Speaker:Um, just like clockwork.
Speaker:Do you want to promote
Speaker:the Zoom?
Speaker:Uh, yeah, if you'd like to connect with us more, we have a midweek Zoom, um,
Speaker:where we just catch up with each other and pray for anything that's going on
Speaker:with Crowd or with each other and, yeah, it's just a good chance to connect.
Speaker:So how do people do that if they want to?
Speaker:Uh, simple.
Speaker:You just go to the website, which I think is this button here, there it is, uh, www.
Speaker:crowd.
Speaker:church, or you can reach us on Instagram or Facebook at
Speaker:Crowd Church, uh, just DM us.
Speaker:Do you like that DMM direct message or shoot us an email.
Speaker:Uh, you'll also find on the website, crowd Church, you'll find the WhatsApp number.
Speaker:You can reach us on WhatsApp by message.
Speaker:Uh, I know some people do try and call, but we don't get, the calls don't
Speaker:come through, but the messages do.
Speaker:Um, so do messages on that and we'll send you the details of the Zoom and hopefully
Speaker:starting in, I dunno why I looked at my watch , hopefully starting in October.
Speaker:Because, uh, you know, now September, hopefully starting in October,
Speaker:we'll be doing the post livestream Zoom on, after the Sunday service.
Speaker:So after this service, uh, we'll be doing a 10 15 minute Zoom after the
Speaker:service, just to catch up, uh, for any of you on the live stream as well.
Speaker:There are some other things that we're looking into.
Speaker:We will, of course, keep you updated with all the changes and stuff
Speaker:coming, uh, as we continue to grow and, uh, just do this journey online,
Speaker:which is, I'm loving it, actually.
Speaker:It's quite nice.
Speaker:It's nice and easy.
Speaker:He says with three cameras pointing at him and lights and switches
Speaker:and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:So, I think, shall we end it there?
Speaker:Yeah, thanks for joining us.
Speaker:Thank you so much for joining us, do join us, do make sure you like and subscribe
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Speaker:Thank you for joining in the comments, great to see you in there.
Speaker:Thanks for your thoughts.
Speaker:Conversation is always better.
Speaker:Conversation Street is always better when you're involved.
Speaker:Hashtag just saying.
Speaker:But yes, stay awesome, because you created awesome.
Speaker:It's cool to be awesome, that's what Nicola said.
Speaker:I'm pointing that way because that's where the comments are.
Speaker:I just realised, why is he pointing that way?
Speaker:That's where the comments are in terms of my eyeline.
Speaker:But no, great to see you this week.
Speaker:Thank you so much for joining us from Sharon and myself.
Speaker:Have a fantastic week.
Speaker:Goodbye.
Speaker:Thank you so much for joining us here on Crowd Church.
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Speaker:Jesus really does help us live a more meaningful and purposeful life.
Speaker:So if you haven't done so already, be sure to check out our website www.
Speaker:crowd.
Speaker:church where you can learn more about us as a church, more about
Speaker:the Christian faith, and also how to connect into our church community.
Speaker:It has been...
Speaker:Awesome to connect with you and you are awesome.
Speaker:It's just a burden you have to bear and hopefully we'll see you next time.
Speaker:That's it from us.
Speaker:God bless you.
Speaker:Bye for now.