This episode is an interview with Justin (Shelby's hubby) discussing his role as a leader in wild land fire fighting, and the values he bases his leadership and decisions on. Justin walks us through the pressure and stresses of this line of work, and how he has been shaped and impacted by leaders who came before him. We discuss trust, respect, team work, transparency, and fairness. He opens up about failure and making mistakes, and how he has learned and applied vulnerability in his role.

This episode is part two in a three part series in which we discuss the role of leadership in our lives, the roles of leadership that we embody, and what hope we have for our leaders of the future.

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