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162: The Cymatics of the Human Voice: Vocal Effects On Your Biology with Maryn Azoff
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"Our voice is not performative. It's not for entertainment… Our voice literally creates the physical world," says Maryn Azoff, vocal transformation coach, sound healer, and artist, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to reveal the quantum science—and profound ancient wisdom—behind the human voice as our most powerful tool for self-healing and manifestation.

In this episode, Maryn Azoff explains why your own voice is more potent than any external frequency device—and how awakening and reclaiming your authentic sound signature is the missing key to unlocking health, creativity, and abundance. She describes the way our first cry as a newborn aligns spirit with form, and how trauma, societal constraints, and self-doubt gradually suppress our ability to express—and thus create—the lives we desire. Maryn Azoff shares stories of jaw-dropping transformations: people reversing illness, repairing relationships, and achieving success simply by restoring their original voice.

Through quantum lens and practical instruction, you’ll learn why your voice is the ultimate biohacking tool, how sound and resonance impact your DNA expression, and why authentic expression is essential not just for singers, but for everyone seeking to connect with their purpose and affect real change.

Tune in to this episode of the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to discover how finding and using your true voice may just be the secret to transforming your reality—inside and out.

5 Key Takeaways

Your voice is your most powerful healing tool—activate it and watch your life transform.

  1. Reclaim your voice: Start each day by using your full, authentic voice—sing, chant, or express yourself out loud to reset your nervous system and ignite your innate confidence.
  2. Breathe lower, live bigger: Practice breathing deeply into your waist before speaking or singing; let your diaphragm drop and support your sound from the ground up.
  3. Clear your field: Express what you feel—through primal sound, song or honest speech—to release old stories and create space for true transformation.
  4. Embody your truth: Share your message, your offer, your wisdom now, not later—your unique sound signature is your greatest contribution.
  5. Practice daily vocal alchemy: Commit to a simple chanting or vocal routine to synchronize your heart, gut, and mind—opening powerful new manifestation pathways in your life.

Now, show up and use your voice—it changes your world.

Memorable Quotes

"Our voice is not just for entertainment; it’s creative—our voice literally creates the physical world. When we use our full voice, we're sending a resonance signal through different layers of frequency, and the quantum will mirror what we put out so we can live it in reality."
"We are all carrying around the story of who we think we are, not just in our concepts but in our fascia, our water, our body, our cells. To truly transform, our primary release has to be somatic—we have to get the cells to vibrate differently, and our voice does that for every drop of water inside our own cellular structure."
"My whole life is dedicated to seeing the awakening of what we truly are. When we do this voice work, we become the tuning fork for the entirety of this realm—not just for humans, but for the animals, the trees, the plants, and the waters. What we are capable of moving energetically through our system can be of great benefit to this planet."

Connect with Maryn

Website: www.vocaltransformation.com

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Maren, welcome to the QVC podcast. I am so

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excited for this conversation. Me as well. Thank you so much for

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having me. All right, so as we were just talking

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about our. You know, the audience here is very in tune with

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frequency healing. We sound healing, light healing,

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and I would imagine, from your perspective,

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the. Our own voice would be the starting point

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for all of that. So I would love to hear your perspective

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on the human voice from. From the Quantum world.

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You're 100% right. That's in my world. This is the. We

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go to tuning forks. We go to singing bowls. We go to. To gongs, and

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they all are incredible tools. So nobody is going to

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diminish how important sound healing from outside is.

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But we have a primary tool that we've had since the moment we were born

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that was designed for this purpose. So

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we do have the ability within our own voice to heal our body, to

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manifest our life, to create the world. We're actually creating

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the world by our resonant frequency and how it taps

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into the entire unified field. And our voice moves

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through our entire body to do that. So knowing our

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voice primarily, I think all humans will begin to thrive.

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Wow. I have. I have chills. Could you. Could

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you unpack that a little more? So it

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starts in the moment that you're born? The very first thing we do is

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cry. Typically, there are babies that don't, and they have their

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reasons for that. But for most of us, the first instinct of a human

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is. Is to inhale spirit inspiration or respiration.

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Right. Respiriting the body. Our first act as a

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human, we have to pull our spirit in

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and wake up the intelligence of this form. And we do that through a big

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scream. And what that does is it

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creates resonance through the entire body. If you've ever held a baby

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crying, you know that we use every muscle of the body when

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we're very, very young. And that voice, which is the original

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voice, aligns our spirit with our form and

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wakes up our whole intelligence from

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there. As we get older, our voice becomes manipulated and minimized,

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and we change the way we use all of those muscles. And we only

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send sound through very specific channels. But that original

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voice of us opening our body, if we can return

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to that, if we could actually get back to using our full voice, that way,

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we're sending a resonance signal through different

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layers of frequency that we have. And

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so I guess I'm jumping here, but the. The chakra system,

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which. I'm using the word chakra because that's one lineage's

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way of of talking about it, but really it's your

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nervous system and it's different groups of nerve endings that run up and down the

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body which create electromagnetic fields off of our form.

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Our voice in its totality will awaken and use all of

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those fields. So we're sending out a full

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antenna spectrum of sound, resonance and frequency into

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the quantum, which then will mirror what

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we're sending out so that we live it in reality.

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These are ancient teachings back in the Rig

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Veda. They speak of the human voices unmanifest form

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and how our voice will create the imprint.

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And then from the 5D we'd say, or the scalar

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field, the matching resonances will then create

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physical reality. Yeah.

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Wow. So what's coming to me is we've really,

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a lot of us have kind of, I think internalized the idea that

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our thoughts have a

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huge consequence in our experienced reality.

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And what I'm hearing you saying is that it's not just

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the thought, it's also the, I don't know what

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word to use tone quality of how we

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articulate that, those thoughts out loud. Yeah, I

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actually, I use the word sound signatures. Sound signatures. Beautiful.

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Okay. Like how, how we produce

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the sound from what support muscles and what resonators the sounds

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move through and have a very specific effect on

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how that sound will be responded to out in the world.

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Wow. And yeah, I was mentioning to you off camera

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that I used to do a lot of theater and back in school

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and I remember some of the voice

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coaches talking about, you know, the different ways that we cut off our voice.

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And I just, I have a memory where they brought in some

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professional theater actors and someone came

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out to introduce them and he was like, oh, we're. Here, here are the

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people around. And he said their names. And then these theater actors came

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and they started speaking and like the whole room filled. They had

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no microphone, they had no nothing. And it, and I just was like,

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what is going on? Like their voices were so

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powerful. Yeah. Commanding.

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Yes. Response. Right. Or commanding. There's so

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many different ways that you can look through this. So I. You'll have to ask

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me and lead me in directions because the voice, it's just such

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a multi dimensional thing. We could talk about how

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it works, but what you're speaking about right now is an embodied voice.

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So you're taught when you go to acting school or music school, but

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even this, I would say classical voice is different than

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original voice than what I work with. But we'll, we'll go to

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here when you're learning how to speak in. In acting school, you're

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learning how to breathe your diaphragm down support and then

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send sound specifically through parts of the body to create

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what the emotional resonance of something is. Emotions

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come from deep within. Emotions are something that are inside of us. So when we

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speak through the whole body and is informing

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the voice of what the emotional quality of what we're saying is,

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not just the thought and the concept of it, but where does that live in

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the body and where does that move from? When someone's listening to you,

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they find you right in that space so you immediately

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connect to them. They don't even need to understand your

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language. The word you're saying wouldn't even matter. They would know,

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oh, this is heartbreaking. Oh, this is gut wrenching. Oh,

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this is passionate or this is sad or this is whatever it might

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be. And it comes from the way we move sound

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from our body out into the world, which then connects directly in

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to the receptor that we are. So the human body is a

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transmitter and a receptor of energy. And how

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we transmit that frequency is how any other human

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is going to receive it. So if I come to you

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from my heart when I speak, your heart immediately becomes

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coherent with mine. And now we're in a heart to heart

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conversation. If I come to you from my head,

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we're going to be head to head, right? There's a lot that happens in this

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world that goes that way, right? Yes. My

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gut from down in my body. I'm going to ground you into your

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deepest body. And now you're going to sit and you're going to listen. You're going

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to stay with me because you're going to be in your body because we're my

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voices. And so I don't say this so people

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manipulate the world, although we can with that and many,

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many different careers, like politicians and actors

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and all that are taught how to manipulate sound. My work

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is to get us to authentic voice so that each person can

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actually live their truth, speak their truth and live and like

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have their world be met from their authentic voice.

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Wow, that is so powerful. So I'd love to

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get into some of how to do that, but first

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I'd like to hear your story of how you connected with your voice

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and with this work. Okay, so if I'll

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tell this as quickly. Okay. Because as we were saying, like I've been looking for

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someone who's, who could do like quantum voice work for a long

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time. So I was so delighted to find you because it

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just, I'm like there Must be someone who's made these connections. And here you are.

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So we'd love to hear. Love to hear the journey. It started with

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performance. It started just like you. You said you went to school for this, right?

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They found my voice when I was 5, and I was already

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a singer. Like, I came into the world with the ability to sing. So the

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first time they heard me sing, they were like, wow, she's got talent,

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right? Natural talent. And then they just put me into voice classes. So

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I got classically trained, and I was given the

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dream to become a performer, an entertainer,

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and it served me for a really long time. I decided I went to

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all the schools, I did all the voice works. I learned the music, and I

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did the acting and the voice, like, all this stuff, and I got this training.

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But throughout that entire process, there was a

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deep underpinning of insecurity.

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And I think that in general, when we're young and someone finds a gift or

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a talent and they say immediately, like, you're going to become a professional at

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this, and they go into hyper training you, there's so much competition

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and comparison and rejection and success, right?

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Like, it's both, but they're. It just. You're

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always trying to beat someone else out for the role. You're always in

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this, like, comparative place. So there's a lot of ego

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that gets caught into that. And depending on how strong our ego

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is, how often we could be rejected or not or how often

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we're given the roles, it really affects how we feel about what our

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abilities are here. So meanwhile, I had a. I had

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both. I had success, I had failure. I had all of it. But I. I

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still was in this. Like, I just never felt good

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enough. Even though I was great, I never felt good enough.

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And I think that our schools do. They. They give us

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that. They give us that. There's never enough. There's always the more. There's always

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the next character. There's always the person who you're trying to compare

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yourself to and trying to become the best, right? And that just

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wasn't my world. It just. It didn't work out for. For my soul and for

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who Maren was. It wasn't. There was always a dissonance is what I'd say,

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right? So the talent was there,

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but there was always this underpinning, as I said, of insecurity and

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needing to prove something or those nerves that people get when they

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get up to sing or they get up to perform of like, am I going

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to be good enough? Am I going to mess this up, all that like that.

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For what I say, it shouldn't be there. There's no. Once you actually

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understand what you are and how this thing works, there's no reason to

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evaluate it. We just have to live it right.

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So the. The idea of. For a while, that was

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going on, and then ultimately, I was working with

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this record label when I was 19 years old, and I was in a

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situation that was very. Not creative. I was, like, singing other people's

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songs and doing this for the sake of being famous.

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It was really like, why anybody would get signed to this particular group. We were,

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like, put together to be a harmony group,

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but we weren't creatively in control. We were, like. We, like, auditioned to

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be part of this group. And this idea of being signed to a record label,

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everyone's dream. But while I was living it, it was a nightmare. It just didn't

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feel good. I didn't get. Get. Get along that well with the girls that I

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was paired with. We got along, but it wasn't like, you know, it didn't feel

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like the way it was supposed to feel, I think, to be an artist and

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create. And so I decided that I was just not going to be a singer

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anymore. I decided to quit. My whole life, I had done

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nothing but this. My whole life. And I decided that I wanted to find out

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who I was without being known as the voice,

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because that was how I was known. Like marin's the singer. And I left

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my life. I left everything. I had to figure out who the heck

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I was. And this is young. I'm 19 years old, but I just. Wow. Yeah,

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that's early to do. To do the big pivot.

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Soul level. I know that there's something else I'm here for,

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but at a teenage. At that time, that's not what marin's

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thinking. She's just thinking she's unhappy and she's, you know, whatever. Not.

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Not satisfied. But at the same time, at a soul level, what I

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come to understand now Is that what was driving me Knew that I had a

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different destiny. So I quit everything and didn't know who

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I was supposed to be. And a very long story short, I end

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up traveling to the other side of the world to find myself. So I get

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to australia to try to figure out who I'm supposed to be in this world.

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So I had to, like, separate myself from everyone who already had a design on

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who marin's gonna be to people who nobody knew me. And I had to, like,

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find out parts of myself. And when I got there,

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I ended up on an ashram

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with that. That someone that I had met there brought me to, where they did

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this fire ritual called Agnihotra. I don't know if you've

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ever heard of this, but it's a Vedic fire ritual where

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in a copper pot, a copper pyramid with cow

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dung and brown rice and ghee, you chant these mantras over this

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pot. So this was in a

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place called Cessnook in Australia, where there was. In 35

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years of drought, and there was all this farmland that was

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dry and cracked, and you couldn't. Couldn't grow anything on it. But

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this ashram that we were on was plentiful.

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It had fruit trees and gardens growing massive like

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beetroots and kale. And like, it was. It was just abundant.

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And there were all these water limitations because of the drought, so there

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was legal water limitations. And they weren't watering anything more than

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anybody else. What they were doing instead was they were chanting these mantras

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over these copper pyramids and then putting the ash on the

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ground that were full of this frequency. And it was

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creating this whole conversation with Earth that seemed almost

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impossible. And so I.

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That's so cool. That was my first taste of

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what you're talking about here with the voice being part of the quantum

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connection and how resonance that moves from us

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feeds the soil, feeds the whole biosphere

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that's around you. And how even now we could

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say people, there's science around this. Like the frequencies that help plants

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grow. Plants grow best to Bach. Certain

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sounds, right. But people who tend to plants, I don't know if you

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do. I sing to my plants all the time, and because of that, they are

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growing beautifully. They live so well. It's like they want to

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be spoken to and sung to. And the resonance there, that connection

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makes such a difference. Right? Bright. So anyway, back here, I saw

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it for the first time, and I stayed on that ashram. And the. The things

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that started changing in me, my eyesight improved, my. My overall

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health improved. There was all of this shifting in myself

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from this mantra. And I had this moment of realizing

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the voice is not performative. It's not for

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entertainment. Like, yes, it's joy inducing for sure.

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It increases serotonin, it increases dopamine, it

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oxytocin, like all of our bliss chemicals when we sing

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are lit. And so, yes, it is for that. That enlightening and

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that joy, but it's not for attention and it's not for, like,

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seeking validation and all of those things. Our voice is

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creative, our Voice literally

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creates the physical world. So then as

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I started looking into it, I saw, you know, in these ancient texts,

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they speak about this, that the human voice is unmanifest form, as you already

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heard me say, and that the sou that moves through this body

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actually goes through the fifth chakra, which is the center of

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manifestation, and it moves this resonance

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through the entire form. If you look at the chakra system, we

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have earth at the bottom, we have water at the

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second, we have fire at the third, we have air at the

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fourth. Fifth is ether, sixth is space.

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So the ether is the element that we don't get taught in the

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West, Right? Well, it's been taught on this

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podcast. So our audience is all down with the ether.

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Imagine that your voice is a tool that takes all

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those other elements, moving sound,

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resonance through them, out through the ether, and then

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culminating or conjuring is a word. I use all of those

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elements to become what you physically

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get to experience out there. Right. And this is our

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life. Wow. Could you say that one more

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time? When you use your totality of your

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voice, you're going to breathe and you're going to root down

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into the whole body. So sound gets produced through the

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entire body, which means that you're. You're

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activating earth, water,

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fire, air, and that's all moving through the

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ether and the space, which is our

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mind. When you talk, we said our thoughts are so

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important. Right. The mind here or the head, the third eye

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is the. What kind of visionary, like, what kind of space can

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you create to see that manifestation to

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actually happen? So our mind being open is

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everything, and our mind being able to be expansive enough to

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allow to hold space for all those elements to then

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create what you're moving through your throat chakra. When

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you're. When you move sound through the whole body, out of the throat, you're

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then calling or conjuring all of these elements to come together

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to create into what we call physical reality

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that which we are expressing out.

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Wow. Absolute magic. Absolute

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magic. That every one of us

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possesses that we all have access to. Right, then.

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This isn't about having a specific talent as an

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actor or a singer. This is our inherent.

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This is what our biology is meant to be doing.

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Yes. So what

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happens along the way that

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stops us from having our. The full expression

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of our sound signature. The

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outside world, other people's creations,

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because we are the creator, but we are first informed

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by what the others who have come before us have created.

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We have this. False, very false. In

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the. In my experience, a depiction of that our

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eye, we call this the third eye here at the. At the middle there.

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And we say that this would be I1 and I2 are two seeing eyes.

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And then our third eye is there. But what actually exists is that our first

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eye is our pineal gland. We are visionaries here

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to create the world. And our second and third eye get to then

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witness our creation. But when we're younger,

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we're being informed by the world that's already been created that we enter.

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So we look through I1 and I2 and see reality,

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and then say, okay, how do I think about and

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restructure and create from the reality that exists? And

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for a lot of us, that means we're going to limit our potential.

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So the depending. I mean, in my work, it's heartbreaking,

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but the first time most people open their mouth to sing,

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someone around them tells them that they're not good or to shut up. Or now

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like, shh. Or obviously you can't sing or whatever it might be.

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And I've heard story after story about this. But even if we go without

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singing before that, one big yell

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that your parents say no in any kind of a harsh way

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creates a nervous system response from something that's naturally

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moving from us to. And tightens

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that muscle or tightens that up. The next time we go to

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express ourselves, we're going to have to move through something that

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contracted, so we're going to have to really

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push through. And the more and more and more that happens, the more and more

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contracted we become. So, yes, the vocal cords work

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even with very little muscle support. Our breath can move into our

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lung and we can make some sound through the vocal cord, but we lose the

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capacity to breathe down all the way to our body and support from the

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root all the way up. So what you get then, if we're looking at

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that system of elements, is we're not accessing earth,

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which is shakti, that creates physical reality.

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We're not accessing water, which is the ability to move our emotions,

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energy in motions, right? And emotion moves

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particles. So if we aren't moving our emotions,

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we're not moving as much particle as we could be moving to create

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some shift in our life. And then we're not firing that

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out into the world to catalyze it into creation.

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Instead, what we get is some air, which is enough to just

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support some vibrational sound here, and a thought process which is

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very limited, right? Because we're not actually in this body,

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activating the full intelligence of what we are.

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So we're Limited to what we can create. We could still think and dream and

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all of that, but we can't manifest it because you can't

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manifest life without that earth and that water and

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that fire. That's how physical world exists. Right? We've got

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the soil, we've got the water, and we've got the sun that

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activate all the physical life that we get to live. And

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then we get our dream that we get to make physical.

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But we get. We get condensed and we get stifled and

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we get. Corseted is the word I actually use. Like, we get tight

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to living these dreams. Like, we still have these ideas, but we

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don't have the embodiment energy to actually create that into physical

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form.

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This. This makes so much sense.

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So what do you see when you

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support people to access their full sound

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signature? Like, it's not, you know. You know, I'm

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like, oh, I. I need to learn some breathing techniques because sometimes when I'm doing

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a podcast, my voice tightens. Right. But that's just a very,

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what you're saying, like a very surface level. You're

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talking about accessing something much deeper. And so how I would imagine you

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people's lives transform way beyond just how their voice sounds.

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Vocal transformation. You can

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rebirth yourself whenever you're ready. To every one of us,

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I always. The Buddha. The Buddha. Every day, we are born again. It

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is what we do today that matters most. It is what we do today

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that matters most. It is what we do today that

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materializes the most. But we are all carrying around

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the story of who we think we are. And we're carrying that around

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not just in our concepts, we're carrying that around in our fascia, in our water,

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in our body, in our cells. So I can decide to change my

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mind, fine. I can convince myself with affirmation that that is

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not. But still, the physical form reacts to

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the world the way that it's holding memory. So our primary

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release has to be somatic. We have to get the

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cells to vibrate differently. And our

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voice, if you've seen any cymatics, you know, any work of

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putting sand on a. On a plate or water in a singing bowl, the

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cymatics that get created, our own voice does that to every drop

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of water inside of our own cellular structure. So when we start to do

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voice work, we're literally expressing the

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past out so that the water can

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build a whole new self. What I help people with is

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profound life changes. I mean, I can honestly tell you that there

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is nothing anybody listening what you think might be

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10 PhDs away from you or another person's

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life. We're talking about quantum here. We're not talking about a time

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space reality. We're talking about things that can change on a

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dime whenever you're ready to shift the frequency that

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you're carrying. I have watched marriages that were done

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re completely fall in love again. I have watched women who are infertile

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have babies. I have watched people who are hundreds of

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thousands of dollars in debt get completely out of that and become their

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own success millionaires. Like I've watched. I have watched

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health. I've watched heart disease reverse itself. I have watched so

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many things go down, it's unbelievable. But

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that's why I dedicate my entire life to it. I can tell you there is

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nothing that a human cannot reverse

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once we decide to change that imprint. And we could say, oh

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yeah, it's years and years and years. It's even epigenetics, Right.

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But there's study around epigenetics too. And so the

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epigene is a protein sheath that is

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around the DNA code. And it's literally

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depicting what part of our DNA expresses and

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doesn't express. And cortisol and adrenaline and all those

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stress hormones create that epigene to activate those parts of

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us. But all the other stuff that I mentioned already. Dopamine,

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serotonin, oxytocin. When you're in a bliss state,

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the whole epigene can transform and different parts of your genetics will

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start to come out. So when I look at the human

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DNA, the epigene is

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0.01% of our DNA makeup.

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Every single human has access to

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99.99% of DNA that

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is not the way ours is currently expressing. And

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we can change the way we express our DNA just by shifting how that

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epigene moves. And the voice has the

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power to relieve all of the

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stressor hormones that create that continual epigenet expression

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and shift how that moves so that you can actually get other

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aspects of you to start to show up.

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Right. Yeah. No, this, this

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is, this is so good because, yeah, we, we

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talk a lot, you know, in this corner of the world about

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grounding being in natural sunlight,

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honoring the light and dark cycles of nature,

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because we are filled with liquid crystal

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that is being, you know, charged by that

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cycle. And we really understand, yeah,

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that we've been imprinted and we're holding on to

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whatever past traumas or belief systems that have come our

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way dealing with material reality. And so

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what I'm hearing you say is that the voice

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Is like the unlock

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for all of that. Yes. And we just

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have it here, sitting here right inside of us.

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And we were shushed. I mean, we were pacified. We were told

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in this world, we are told not to express ourselves

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authentically because when we're very, very young, it looks like temper tantrums.

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You're crying loud, you're crying in the middle of the night. And like all these

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times where your parents need you to be quiet, or you're teachers

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in school need you to be quiet, or your priests or your rabbis need you

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to be quiet, like everyone, we're taught to keep what our natural

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expressive thing is in. But that is our

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original intelligence. We express it, we move it out, and we

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have a reset. If we don't move it out,

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we don't get a reset. We get the repetition of the exact same thing again

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and again and again. So now we're looking at layers and layers

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of conversation that have been going on internally and that we have not

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been allowed to just simply like what we knew when we were babies. We just

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went.

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It was done. We didn't hold grudges, we didn't have

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resentments, we didn't have these stories. We just cried it out

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and we moved on. Next. That's what we did when we were very, very

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young. But once they tell us we're not allowed to express that

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we now have that living inside. So the next time someone does something similar to

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what we didn't get to move past, it just makes it worse.

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Gets thicker, gets deeper. Right. So

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as simple as expressing it out, as simple as something like a primal scream,

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which I take people through a lot, just getting

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out. And then there's space. And from space, you can

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actually make a choice of how you want to move forward,

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of how you want to think about something. But if you don't get it out,

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you're just going to keep thinking about it and feeling about it the same way

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you've always thought about it and felt about it. There's no room for change. Change

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where there is not space. Right. So we have to create the

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space internally. And the voice helps you express that all

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out so that you actually have reflection in space.

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And then you can make a better choice moving forward.

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So is that where the. The vocal transformation

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would start for most people is it is accessing

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the expression? Yeah. So the

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framework of what I do, there's many different ways that this work

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moves, but I'd call it the fundamentals of what I do is a chanting

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practice that moves from the root chakra. Up through the crown.

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So very basic yoga technique, the Bija mantra is the seed sounds.

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But one way, the way that I teach it, that I haven't seen it taught

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elsewhere, and if anyone out there is teaching it that way, please come find me

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because I want to compare notes, is that there's a way to

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support them that I, in my yoga teacher trainings, was never

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taught. So it's not just a simple like repeating

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of a sound. It's where in the body it's placed, it's how it's supported in

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there. And you're actually opening up the physical aspect of that

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part of the body. So layer by layer, from the

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time we're conceived until who you are now, all this stuff is stored

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inside. And it's all getting in the way of your ability to

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plug into the quantum field in the way that you want to,

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that one wants to. And instead what we plug in with is all of the

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unprocessed things that are standing in the way of the person that we want to

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create now. So you start with a chanting practice. It takes nine

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months to do the first phase of it, which is the exact amount of time

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it took to be born originally. You can use your

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voice or working with your voice, you can rebirth your entire system. System.

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And by going through each chakra for 40 days, you

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can begin to open the energy field,

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see what's still sitting in there, see what's needs to go

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and what is maybe undercharged and needs to amp up. And

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you begin to wake up these wheels of energy and get

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yourself into your correct alignment, which then you just

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see the whole process. The physical world starts to change around you.

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Your health improves, all of your habits start

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to change. And the reason why that happens is because a chanting practice

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increases alpha brainwave state. So

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your voice, when it's used in its totality,

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requires your diaphragm to move down. When it does

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that, it's going to press into your gut. Your gut is your

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instinctual center. It's going to open up

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the area of the heart simultaneously, which is your emotional

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center. And as you move the sound through all those resonators, it's going to

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increase brain alpha brainwave in your gray matter,

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which is going to increase your, your mind's ability to

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make new brain pathways. So your neuroplasticity

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increases. And when you're actually doing a chanting practice,

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you're creating an open field where all of these

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intelligences are working together congruently.

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Most humans function very heavily one way or the other.

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I'd say most of us are headstrong. Yeah. Some of us are, though.

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Highly. Like someone who's physically highly challenged will

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be. You know, their gut keeps them in fear of like, a world that will

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harm them. Someone who emotionally has been damaged a lot has a heart

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that closes off and prevents connection at an emotional level.

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Right. That's normally where the. The brain or the head

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has to cope. Like tons of coping mechanisms and. And

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strategy and logic. So we need to become a

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completely congruent vessel. All three of these brains

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are as important as each other. So we need to take it out

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of the head and give some of it back to the body. And when you're

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chanting or singing or using your voice in this way, in

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this original way, all three of those brains will be

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congruent. So you get to reset the system. You get

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everything to come back into your most. Your highest levels of intelligence.

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Wow. Okay. Yeah. And so it's like the, the

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sound. It's funny. My voice feels

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better talking to you than it did than it

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normally does. Usually I can feel like the more I talk, I. It

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starts to get tired and close up. And now I'm like, oh, so here

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I'm picking up your. Your vibes, Marin.

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So it sounds like the. The. The voice is.

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Is clearing the field and also like a kind of

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internal. Almost the way you

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described it with the muscles that the sound is.

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Is having like a physical impact on. On

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our biology. Yes. So you're.

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There's a couple of reasons. It has to do with the way the muscles work.

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The. The average human is sucking everything

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in all the time. We're so used to, like, holding in our stomachs. Holding

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look good. And to also just learning how to hold back

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what's really in there has created this wall and this kind of

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coarsening, as I said before. So when you do this voice work, you're actually

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working muscles in a very different way. You're. You're

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opening what we've become so tight around

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so your organs get more room to move.

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Your breath changes as that diaphragm drops

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so that your. Your whole system is detoxifying itself.

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It's incredible. Most people don't breathe correctly. We walk

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around breathing in a coping breath. We do not breathe the way we were designed

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to breathe. So when we do voice work, it retrains

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the breath. Now if I were to say, like, take a deep

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breath. Right. See, some people would breathe

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up into their shoulders. This is how we breathe. But this is not

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the way we're designed to breathe. As I'M sure you know, but the. This is

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feeding the head. And this has all come down to us bringing

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prana to the head, bringing our life force up. We're designed to breathe

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diaphragm down, and the bellies comes out and the waist

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comes out, and the low back even expands, and the root of the body

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drops to the earth. Our breath, every time we

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breathe is a way that our soul and our spirit takes our body and

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claims it. And when we breathe that way, our

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whole nervous system goes into parasympathetic.

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Our whole body says, okay, I'm here. And all this

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intelligence from the root to the crown and back is functioning together.

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But when we breathe up, we're breathing into the upper lung,

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which sends a signal to the body that we're stressed and our sympathetic

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nervous system takes over. So the vast majority of people that

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I work with start with a sympathetic nervous system breath.

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So just that alone, to support sound, we need to breathe the diaphragm

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down and then activate muscle in a way that

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supports that diaphragm to stay down and then

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really controls how fast it returns to its original point.

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So once we actually train our voice down, our

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whole breath will, after I say about 90 days, takes about three months

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for somebody who breathes up to be switched into a

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downward breath. That in itself will change a human life.

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That in itself will create a whole different level of energy

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and vitality. Your bowels function differently, your heart is

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different. Everything about your life, like the number of people three months

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into working with me that are like, I don't understand. I'm actually present.

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I'm here, I'm in the world because the breath is in the body.

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And that's the way we're designed with every single breath. So those

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people who do know how to breathe with their diaphragm, who maybe do breath

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work or take yoga classes or have worked with somebody who's taught them that

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still, when I work with them and I say, take a deep breath, they'll breathe

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down. But if I ask them if they breathe that way all the time,

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they'll say no. When I concentrate on it,

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yes. So you. You know how to move the diaphragm, but it's

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not the way you're breathing every day. And so for that, you're surviving, you're not

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thriving. And once we get that breath locked

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in, because when I. When we talk about voice work, the

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voice is the voice is the voice. So whether you're speaking,

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singing, chanting, screaming, whispering, any way you use

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your voice, the muscles are Always all the same.

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So anybody who looks at me and says, like, I can speak, but I can't

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sing, like, no, that is not true. The difference

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between speaking and singing is just sustain. When I

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speak, I use all the same muscles which keeps my

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voice in my body. The same resonators are being activated, which means

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that when I speak, I'll be moving through my emotional centers and

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through my, like, embodied sense self. You'll. You're going to meet me

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and my real vibrational frequency. And then when I

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sing, I just have to sustain that note

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a little more. That's all. The

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only difference is that I'm going to use that muscle a little bit more so

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that I hold a tone longer than I have to when I'm speaking.

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But we immediately in our brain say, I'm not a singer.

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Yeah, no, that's. I say that all the time. Everyone,

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mark my words, everyone can sing. If you have pitch problems,

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it's probably because you're not in your circadian rhythm. You're not

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really listening from your body to what sound is coming to you.

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You're listening through your ears and you already have a thought process that

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says, I don't hear pitch. Well, so you don't actually hear the pitch.

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You hear a pitch coming through thought layers that you can't even track.

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Right. Actually get in the body and feel

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a sound. We can replicate that sound and every human

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can get to that place. They just might have to work a little harder than

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others. Wow.

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So you. Did you just say that there's a connection between pitch and

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circadian rhythm? Potentially, yeah. What

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is. Say more because we're

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not. We're not in our body and we're not connected to

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the. The resonance of the Earth, the Schumann resonance, you

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know, the resonance of the planet. Her own heartbeat that matches our own

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heartbeat. So when we are living in a lot of

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artificiality and when we are not sleeping well and when we are, you know,

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running on all these different coping mechanisms that we have in our body,

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they're all just layers of distortion in our field.

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So when a tone comes at you, you can't

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be with that sound. There's too much

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distortion. So our job is to get the

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distortion cleared. We have to get to the

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present. We have to be in a nervous system that's grounded

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and we have to be open to receive that sound. We do not just hear

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sound through our ears, we hear it through every bit of our body.

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Our whole body is a receiver. So when we only hear with

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our ears or when we only. When we think with our heads, right? And we

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hear a sound through our head and we're not in the

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resonance of everything. It's much easier to not be able to hear

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pitch correctly or to not be able to iterate pitch

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correctly. You can hear it, but you can't, you

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can't hold it because you're not actually in the body. And those pitches

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are made from the whole form, not just from a vocal

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cord in the head. It's. That's made from the whole body.

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Right? Would

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that translate out from pitch as well to

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say, a person's ability to receive

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affection or support? Of course.

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It's all the same thing. Everything is sound. If

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you haven't heard that one yet out there, if you don't realize this,

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everything is making sound. Just because our

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senses are not able to pick up certain frequencies

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and really we pick up a tiny amount of what's really going on in

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this planet. Just because we are not

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sensorily plugged in to pick it up at a certain hertz

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or a certain frequency doesn't mean it's not vibrating and it's not

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making sound. It's just not making sound within our auditory ability to hear

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it because. But our body still feels it. And that information

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that's happening here that we're not consciously aware

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of, is still informing everything. So when you're

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in someone's auric field, their heartbeat, the

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way their pulse is moving and their breath and everything, all of that

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is your body's being informed by when they're close to you. And your

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ability to receive that and to be open and even share that.

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This is all heart chakra stuff, like your ability to, to give

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and to receive must be imbalance. But when the

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head is protecting or when we're closed off in these ways, we, we can't

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receive it. So we're basically.

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I, I'd say the human race is basically in a,

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in a challenge or what Our true test is how, how open can we stay?

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How much space can we contain? How much room can we make for all

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opinions, for all ways of being? How, how

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much can, can we feel

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when we see a world where so much is painful? We're in a

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world right now where we lose track of just how pleasurable it

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actually is as well. And we focus on how painful it is. And

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we keep reiterating like the pain

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we see with the way that we're treating each other in the world,

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we're actually getting numb feeling because

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it's too much to feel. But the greatest

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of art is made by those who can feel it

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all. And so our great

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test, I think, is to not close this, not close

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down is to keep sharing who we are and

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to allow others to be received and share who they are. And

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when we can open up that conversation, we realize

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that we don't have to hold all the pain of the world. It's not our

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job. The pain of the world moves through us. It moves out of us.

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It comes in, it goes out. And so does all the joy and all the

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pleasure and all the beauty. It's not only pain here, it's

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everything. But we don't want to feel the

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bad stuff, what we call the bad stuff. And we shut that

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down, and we could take that to the voice. The reason why people do not

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mostly share is because

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maybe they weren't great the first time they sang. They didn't

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compare to who their favorite artists were, so they think they're bad. They

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don't want to feel bad, so they don't try

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or they experience

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somebody outside making them feel bad about what they

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just shared. Whether that's a singing voice or whether that's my truth, like,

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this is how I feel. And someone said, nope, how you feel is not allowed.

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How you feel is wrong. Once we feel the pain

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of not being received, we start to shut it down and say,

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I don't want to feel that pain anymore, so I'll stop sharing.

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Instead of. They just are limited to what they can

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receive. But what's happening through me is the absolute truth.

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So let me be the truth, regardless of what

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other people's responses are to it. And then once I have

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it expressed into the world, it empowers me to keep on

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growing. And I think that. I think that

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a lot of us are stuck. We're just stuck.

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And expression is the key out. The voice is the key out. Once

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we. And we knew it from infants, from babies. Once we express it,

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it's not in us anymore, and we can move forward,

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but we are holding too much of it in. So we stop. We just

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numb. We just stop feeling. And the thing with

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life is that the less you allow yourself to feel, the less you will

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allow in. You can't change. You can't

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manifest your life. You can't. Yeah.

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You can't connect to everything that is. When you won't allow

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everything that is to be. When you have it on your

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tiny little terms, you'll get life on your tiny little

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terms. Why? Because we are the creator

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of this reality. Every one of us gets to live this life here.

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Like I Think that the human birth is the golden ticket. I tell

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everyone all the time, we think that this earth is so difficult

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and so painful. And we see, we keep telling that story and we keep creating

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that truth. But we really got the golden ticket. The

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guts, the instincts, the emotions and the cognitive,

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intellectual. And we have the ability to make the

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world like to create whatever we could dream

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into existence. So what are we

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dreaming? And why do we keep creating the

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dream of war and dissonance and turmoil and

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lack and all those things like that? It does not

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only exist here, it exists here if that's what you dream. But

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so does the total opposite exist here.

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So we have to decide who we are and

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who we want to be here and what we're willing to put out. But

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the world does not just give it to you. It doesn't.

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Well, and it feels like, like such a risk.

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I work with a lot of people and I've been working with myself,

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obviously, right. And it's like we'll build the dream and build the vision

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and gain the knowledge and a lot of us get stuck

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just like study more and study more. I don't know enough yet,

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I don't know enough yet to go out into the world. And

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it's the moment where it's time to take a step

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and be seen and be expressed.

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I'm a new health coach and I'd love to work with people who need

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help with their digestion and

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a freeze point for so many of us. And then

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we may or may not work for it, but then there's always more and more.

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So I'm hearing you saying, like we. You're helping

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us to create a sense of safety

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within our own selves with our. The tools

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that we were born with so that

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that risk doesn't feel impossible. All

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yes, you will. You will resonate. The world will bring you what you

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are. So if you're full of fear,

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you'll meet people who will see your fear and they will not come to you

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because they'll be afraid to come to you. Right.

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What the voice work will do was, is it will reset your nervous system and

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it will build your confidence, which I say is

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primordial. The confidence comes with the body itself.

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There is nobody out there that can break your confidence. There is

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nobody out there that gives you your confidence. Either

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people can support you and put wind under those wings. And if

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you're fortunate, people will see your gifts right off

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the bat and will start to, to help you. But that's not

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the case of everybody. Some people Write such underdog stories where

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no nobody around them supports them. And they have to

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prove to themselves as a soul to this world,

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that even if nobody sees it, I am it,

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right? And there's the confidence. It comes with the birth.

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The fact. The mere fact that you were given a body, that you were given

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your heart, that you were given the dream and the visions that you have. The

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mere fact that that even exists is enough for every one of us to have

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confidence in who we are. But our society did not

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give us that confidence. Our society is an ego

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driven society that taught us again, like I said from the beginning, to

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compare and to compete and to be jealous and envious,

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to want what others have. And we, we look outside of ourselves

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for some level of validation that is unnecessary.

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We already are it. When we do

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this voice work, we reclaim all of that it ness. And

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then we get share it. And you know, there are people who would look at

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me and say, maren, you're crazy. I'll never do that work with you. And there

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are people who say, okay, I feel this off you and I want what you're

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talking about. Let's go, right? What I know is that this

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works. So I will show up and give it to

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anybody who's ready because it works. So to these

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healthcare for these people, you're talking about if you know

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that certain supplements, that certain breath practices, that certain

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psychological whatever it might be that you need to help your digestive system,

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if you know that it could benefit another person,

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even if you only know the first two pages of the book, but you know

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that if you give them the first two pages, they will begin to

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have healthier bowel movements and a clearer state of mind, which of course

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they're interlinked, right? Why would you not put that out

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there? You're helping

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somebody else. And this is the biggest thing.

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Our voice is our contribution to the world.

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It's not about us. I ask people all the time,

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whose voice do you think it is?

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It is a mixture. It is nothing more and nothing less than the

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planet which is the body that you're in and the soul that

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came to incarnate. My soul's not named

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Marin. Marin is the personality construct that I

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developed to navigate the world, right? And the name that my parents

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gave me. My soul came in with a

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purpose. It came in with a contribution that then

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activates the body. And these two things will make

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something happen here in life, right? Whatever that might be. So

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when we deal with voice work, or when we're looking at our voice it's our

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soul's dynamic life urge for truthful

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expression. What is your truth?

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Your soul's truth? We have to get beyond the person

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that was created by an ego driven world that we

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were taught to protect. This ego, God forbid

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anybody tells me I'm wrong. I've been told I'm wrong so many times

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now that I'm like, okay, okay, I'll be wrong, I'll die wrong.

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But at the same time, people who've shown up for this and do this work

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with me, they see what it does and I'm not the one doing this for

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them. They do it for themselves. They show up, I show them

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how to do it. They have to do it. I cannot heal you.

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You have to heal you. But your voice, your own voice and this work will

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do it. So when you're dealing with someone who like what

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you're saying, people who say, I'm new out the gate, I don't know enough, I

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have more to do. All I would say is, what can you do to

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help somebody today and

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find people who need that help? And whether or not you're

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perfect, it doesn't matter. I'm not a perfect person. Nobody's a perfect person. Like, we're

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all still on this incredible evolutionary track that hopefully we're all

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going to be evolving until we're not here anymore. So there's always room

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for growth and all of that. But if

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you're scared to share, that's all people are gonna

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feel like. When I'm talking about singing,

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when I see people start to sing and they're nervous, they're scared to sing,

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the first thing happens is that they don't breathe.

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They're in their head, their heart is pounding, their tongue is numb, it's moving.

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And they just like get the song, the first lyric in and they just like

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jump out of the gate. And you can feel that they're nervous, right? So

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the whole audience knows they're scared. And what, and what happens?

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The audience is scared. We're

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nervous for the person we're not in the song. We're

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in the nerves that we're looking at and it's making us nervous, right?

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So our number one responsibility is to

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be what we are, become the song. I always tell anybody who's

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listening who sings that three count breath at the beginning of a song is

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everything. If you're scared to sing, wait until you're not

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before you start to sing. If an audience has to wait

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a while to watch you, until you're ready to breathe

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and actually Sing the song without it being about you singing.

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Instead, you actually become the song. It's worth the

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wait. We'll wait five minutes, we'll sit there and be like, I wonder why we're

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waiting. But when you actually come out the gate

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from the embodied place of singing the song, that's why

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we sing. We sing to move

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emotion. We sing to tell a story. We sing

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to share something authentically. But when there's too much

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I in the way of all of that, that's what you get.

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You get. I. You get even. Some of the greatest artists

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that we know, they're just doing vocal gymnastics. They're not really making you feel

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anything. They're just showing you how great they are. Right.

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But what about, like, becoming the song?

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That's what we're true. Art is born. That's where. That's why

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we share. We don't. We're not the singer. We're the

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song. So back to life. Let's take

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it out of that music. You're not the person

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who's teaching someone how to get a healthy body, how to get a healthy

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gastrointestinal system. Right. You are the. The

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message itself. You are the teaching itself of, like, here,

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you need help. This is how you get your help. I'm here to share

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with you the information. I'm not here to share with you, me.

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And the faster we can get. Get to that, I think

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just the more clients you're going to get.

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Whether or not she becomes successful, this is about, how can

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she actually serve the world, or he served the world.

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And the more we can align ourselves with that, the easier it is to share

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what's going on. Yes. Because

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all of these. All of these choices that we make are really just

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spiritual growth exercises.

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It feels like, oh, I. I have to, you know, learn how

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to record something and put it on the Internet. It's a spiritual growth

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exercise, and you are giving us

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a profoundly overlooked tool. Yes.

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So do you want to feel very quickly? I'm not sure how much. Yeah. Want

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to feel really quickly what it's like differently.

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Yeah. As I was saying just before about the singer, like, the throat gets

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tight and the tongue goes numb and the heartbeat starts to race. And when that

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happens, the first thing that happens is the breath moves up

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to that breath we were talking about before. So you

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up here. Yeah. You're losing lyrics. You start like, your

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head's just got you right. So the key. And I, like, feel my

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throat tighten. Right. Especially if I have to. If

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I'm, like, giving a presentation it's like the first 10 minutes it's like flood. And

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then the longer I talk it's like. And I can like, oh, there it goes.

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I don't know why, but I'm probably, I'm not breathing. Okay.

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The breath and then also the head. When the head takes the voice,

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the throat closes up towards the head.

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When the heart takes the voice, the throat opens down towards

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the heart. So we always want

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the voice to move through the heart which

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is the largest resonator. Our sound mostly comes from

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down in here and moves through here up to the

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head so we get to those higher notes of our range. So we want the

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impetus of our voice or the way it moves to be a downward breath and

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a downward support to let sound come through the chest. So let's just take our

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hands on the waist and take a breath

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into the waist. So feel your breath

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come down and the waist go wide and the strength there. Can you

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feel that strength? Yeah. Okay, let's exhale that.

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Let's do it again. And I want you to feel what's happening as you do

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that with your whole throat area and your whole upper chest. So breathe into the

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waist and

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see if you could feel the expansion. So the chest

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feels like it expands, but the sides of the throat also get wider.

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Can you feel that? Yeah. Okay, so let's do that

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one more time. Breathe in and fill that up.

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Feel that with. And now suck your stomach in

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and feel what happens instead.

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It all closes down, right? Yeah. Everything

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collapses. So the exact

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replica of what happens here at the bottom of the body is what's

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happening at the top. If our breath goes up and we suck our

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stomach in, we're closing. Throat chakra head is going to control everything

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because none of our low body is activated. But if we get the breath to

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the lower body and we open that up, we now

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have support muscles down here. You could feel that like strength at the

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bottom that is going to send sound up through.

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So the throat is open, the chest is open and the body's nice and strong.

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And this is how we should feel when we speak all the time. This

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is. You'll feel confident, you'll feel empowered, you'll feel in your body

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and present level headed open hearted when we get our

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voice down in here. So let's just do an ah, a nice

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open eye to see what that feels like. If we breathe down to the waist

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once that waist is strong, what I want you to do now is I want

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you to press the waist into the hands. So not only is

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the wide. The waist. When you first breathe, it gets nice and strong. Now I

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want you to take those obliques, and I want you to expand them even

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further. Okay. Strong side body.

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And then we're just going to drop the open jaw to an ah. Okay,

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so let's feel that. Breathe into the waist. Press

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the waist into the hands. Drop the jaw.

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Oh, yeah. Now that, you know

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one more time. Your jaw. The smile gets in the way. So we want the

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jaw. I'm having fun. And keep laughing.

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Okay. And just let sound move,

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because what you're going to feel is the whole channel of sound that moves through

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you. It's a very powerful exercise. Yeah, I felt like a pillar. Almost

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like a. Like a. Like an empty

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pillar. Yes, exactly. Is your connection

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to universal life force energy. Ah is the sound that

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connects us to the entire universe, which is where Aum comes from.

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And Amen and Allah and Amun and all

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those words that we have. Ah is the sound that opens up this

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channel to connect us to all the power that we have.

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Right. So let's feel that together. If we feel the waist go wide,

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we're going to open the entire channel for a big open ah. See how much

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ah you can make and feel. If you could feel it moving through

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your heart as well. So you not only have the waist here, but you

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could feel sound coming through the chest. See if you could feel that. Let's breathe

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in. Press the waist wide. Drop the jaw.

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Oh, wow. You feel that?

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Yeah. So there's your. It took me a few

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tries, but that last one, I think I integrated. Your instructions,

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and I really felt it. You feel the waist strong.

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You feel the heart, and now the throat

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is open, and you have all of this sound. This sound

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is the bedrock of the voice in all the

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ways we use it. So when I speak, I feel that

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pillar, my words. I choose my words

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from my mind of what I want to share, but it

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moves sound through my emotional center as well. Right. So my voice is

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now encompassing every part of my being. And when I

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speak, my words are wrapping around that

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open pillar of sound. Nothing is collapsed in here

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and just kind of small and tight and sort of kind of doing

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its thing. Right? Everything is supported, supported in this open channel.

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And now I speak, and you can hear how much sound resonance

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is there. I'm conducting more energy,

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and this way my voice is way more impactful. As I send it out

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into the world, those particles are going to be moving way

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faster than they are. If I just kind of ask for what I want

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in this kind of. Can I have that? Is this. Is it okay for me

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to be who I am? I really love if we would do

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right. Instead, it's here I am world moving

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sound, resonance out into the quantum field moving

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earth, fire, water, air, space, ether

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out into the world. Watch how fast you start to manifest

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things. Watch how fast your clients sign up with you. Watch how fast

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the love of your life enters your world. Watch how fast that

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money that you need to get into the bank gets into the bank. Just all

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of it, whatever it might be. Watch how fast that brilliant idea that you

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think that you can't come up with because you open the channel

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of universal consciousness and it all starts to

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move through you.

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Incredible. Yeah. And I can. I mean, just

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doing those few rounds with you, I'm in a completely different

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place. I can feel like there's tingles. All

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the tingles are happening.

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Vera, this is such amazing work. I love it

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so much. As I said at the beginning, when I found you and your

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website, I was like, oh my goodness, I've

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been looking and searching. So please let us know

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how, how we can find you. I know there will be people who would

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love to, after hearing this, love to come to a retreat or work with you

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in some way. How does that happen? Beautiful. So my Instagram

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is Vocal Underscore Transformation. My website

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is vocal transformation.com and

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I do, I have retreats all, all over the world throughout

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the year. I'm in upstate New York. I hold some in New

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York, but mostly traveling. I do have,

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I have online courses. I have one on one coaching

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for the truly dedicated student who feels like they

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need the one on one teacher. And I also do a nine

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month cohort every year where I take people through the entire

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chanting practice in a group and we go through this whole

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rebirth together. So there's so many ways to plug into

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amazing. When is, when is your next

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cohort happening? They start in September, so

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I just. Okay, I just started this one. So next year.

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So next September for the live cohort,

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vocaltransformation.com to find a retreat coming

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up near you, recorded work

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and one on one options. Yes.

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Amazing. And you mentioned you are in an upcoming documentary. What was

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that called? It's called she Healed. It's a

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biohacking documentary that they just made them. They just

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released one called Biohack Yourself Lally. And they're

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putting this one out this year about women's health and

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how biohacking isn't really a female led industry,

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but this is around women's health and it's lots

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of different biohacking tools. It felt really good to bring something that is this.

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Yes. Deep. Yeah. Because we're way beyond

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biohacking with all of this.

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To reduce the quantum world to biohacking is. Yeah.

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It's a little reductive, but helpful. Helpful in many ways.

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It will all the way so good.

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But yes. I mean, this is. This is deeply profound work.

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And I think we all,

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you know, there are certain sort of fundamentals, I think to health.

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And I would. I would now include doing void,

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you know, connecting to our voice and our sound signature

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as a fundamental healing tool. So

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thank you for following your dreams, for opening this space.

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It's so funny. You're the third woman I've interviewed in a week who has a

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story of walking away from traditional media

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just because she was like, no. And the

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opportunity was right there. And they.

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And you all kept walking to find your true. Your true path.

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So thank you for doing that. Thank you. It's world changing.

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Thank whatever horses that be that would just like no Marin in this

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lifetime. You're not going to sell your soul to industry. Yep.

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Good. We'll keep going. And I just want to say one last thing if I

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can. Sure. Yeah. Please. My whole entire life is

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for. Is to see the awakening of what it is we are.

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And our conversation today was so much about how who we think we

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are gets in the way of all of what we are.

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And when we do this voice work, we become the tuning fork

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for the entirety of this realm. Not just for humans,

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for the animals, for the trees, for the plants, for the waters. Like what we

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are capable of moving energetically through our

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system can be of such great benefit to this planet.

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So I chose not to go to industry standards of how like man

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decides the business of life needs to look. And I

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chose to instead work for the powers that be, which is

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truly this incredible planet that we're.

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We're lucky enough to be born into and like to be a part of in

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these bodies. And so I feel like right now the human race

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has. Has a decision we need to make about what our

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places here and what we're going to do on this earth as

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humans. Like, where is humanity? It seems to be something that

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we're losing sight of. And so this voice work is

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such an important and very powerful key if

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to help humanity reclaim that heart center, to

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reclaim what we are. And when we reclaim this,

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we will see this entire world change. We will bring it

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back to the goodness of what it is. So I just. If

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you at all feel a call to finding your voice in service to

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that, please come find me. Yes.

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Yes. Beautifully put. Thank you for

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expressing that. And, yeah, I have nothing to add,

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that is. We're on the same page.

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It's funny. I'm just remembering I occasionally

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do, like, solo casts, and I did one where I was

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called your voice matters. And

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it meant more than I even realized when I said it at the time.

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Our voices matter. We are. We

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are. We got the golden ticket. Let's. Let's go for

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it.

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Thank you, Maren. I would love to do this again sometime.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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