I recently had the honor of interviewing Girija Patel. We had an engaging discussion about the impact of AI on business and intellectual property rights. Here are some key takeaways from our conversation:

1. The Importance of Disclosure: As AI technology becomes increasingly prevalent in various industries, it's crucial for businesses to be transparent about the extent to which AI is used in their products or services. Whether it's researching, creating prompts, or generating content, disclosing the involvement of AI is necessary to build trust with clients and consumers.
2. Copyright Protection & AI: Determining copyright ownership of AI-generated content is a complex and evolving area of law. While copyright protection may be obtained for parts of content created by an individual, it's important to disclose any content that is not originally or 100% created by the person claiming authorship. The level of originality and difference between the original and final content are key factors considered in copyright protection.
3. Human Touch & Expertise: While AI tools like Chat GPT can be powerful and time-saving, they have limitations. AI lacks creativity, emotional intelligence, and the ability to replace humans in jobs that require expertise, context, and human involvement. The human touch is essential for tasks that involve artistic elements, judgment based on body language, and complex decision-making.

Remember, as AI continues to shape our world, understanding its implications for intellectual property rights and business practices is crucial. Let's embrace AI ethically and ensure that transparency and human involvement remain at the forefront. 

Listen to the full episode for more insights!

More About Our Guest:

Girija Patel is a mom, a wife, lawyer, podcaster, strategist, educator, and a business owner in Houston, Texas. Her law practice, GBP Law, specifically focuses on helping entrepreneurs and on-line business owners build their business’ legal fundamentals and integrate legal as a part of their strategy so they can move forward confidently and do what they love! Her goal is to help make legal a line item and not a panic attack! In 2020, Girija launched Your Contract Buddy (www.yourcontractbuddy.com), an online contract template shop, and also founded her podcast, Law Chat with Girija. From her days of being a prosecutor to managing her own law practice and to being the lead legal strategist for your business, Girija’s core value to serve her community remains at the center of all her endeavors.

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Hello, ladies.

Welcome to this week's

hourly to exit podcast.

I am very happy to introduce

you to my guest this week,

Girija Patel, who is, I'm

going to have her introduce

herself to you, but I'm

really excited about this

episode because guess

what we're talking about?

Everyone's.

Favorite topic, AI and

Georgia has done a lot

of research in this area.

written a lot about

it, spoken to a lot

of audiences about it.

So I think we'll get a

lot out of this episode.

So before I go any further,

please introduce yourself.

Erin,

thank

you so much for having

me in your podcast.

This is really special

because I feel like we've

gone full circles a few

times now and I just love it.

I love having these

connections and the continuity

of the connection as well.

I am a lawyer like you,

but I am in Houston,

Texas, and we are.

Experiencing beautiful

95 degree weather.

Now, finally, my business,

my legal practice, we are

serving small business

owners, essentially,

which means it could be

anybody, quite frankly.

And, a lot of creative

entrepreneurs.

I have a lot of tech

companies, a lot of

people who are creating

content all the time.

In fact, in today's

world, I think everybody's

creating content.

All the time.

And so I provide a lot

of legal support and,

the strategies and their

businesses alongside their

journey as an entrepreneur.

Fantastic.

And how did you become,

I mean, I guess AI has

been thrust upon us as

opposed to us going to it.

It has come to us.

What were your, I mean,

honestly, it stuck up on me.

I knew it was out there.

But, you know, I'm

kind of a Luddite.

So I'm like, Oh, what do

I need to know about it?

and then suddenly it was

like, bam, it was everywhere

and there was no ignoring it.

What was your experience with

kind of getting into the.

AI.

I

felt the same way.

Now.

I also felt like a little

like, Oh, that was a

real sneak attack from

the side a little bit.

Right?

It's like, you're just like,

where did that come from?

I'm like, what field

did that one come from?

but I am in the

tech space a lot.

Like I go and talk and like,

so, you know, there was

something brewing, but you

just hear a lot of chatter.

The ones that really come out

of nowhere are the ones that

don't talk, but they just are.

Throw it out there.

And that was chat GPT.

And so when that happened,

everybody's like, wait

a second, we have AI now

we can actually use it.

It's at our fingertips because

it's been around, right.

It's been around since, so I

was sitting in another panel

and they're like, it's been

around since the seventies,

if not a little bit longer,

like the internet was not

available to the masses until

much later, the computer.

I remember when I first

got my first computer, I

was like, My dad brought

our first community in the

eighties and that too, he

had access just because of

the company and the industry

that he was working in.

But I was like, oh, my

gosh, that's so cool.

slowly and steadily.

Tech just creeps up on you all

of a sudden it's been around.

It's literally brewing.

But we're not paying

attention because our

minds are just not there.

so chat GPT did

the same thing.

It kind of just snuck up

from around the corner and

you're like, Oh, now AI is

accessible to everybody.

Meanwhile, we had AI, like our

chat bots, on our websites or

the things that we're using.

And, those reforms of AI too,

we just didn't call it that.

Yeah.

I mean, the,

Example that you gave of

suddenly, like, what I can

do that now, like, that

literally happened to me.

I was just filling out some,

you know, continuing legal

education credits and it

was like, what about AI?

What the heck?

frankly, with half an ear

to it, probably working on

something at the same time.

And then, They must've,

mentioned chat GVT and

that it's available.

I'm like, what?

And I'm like, suddenly I

was listening and I went

online and it was during that

CLE, I'm like, Oh my thing.

It's magic.

I couldn't even believe it.

Yeah.

It is

magic.

It feels too good to be true.

And it is

speaking of

which, one of the big issues

with something like this,

when it sneaks up on us the

laws don't move nearly as

fast as technology does.

And so we, once again, find

ourselves way behind, you

know, as we have with social

media and other, things

that have kind of exploded.

So let's first back

up, in case anyone.

Isn't familiar with

chat and GBT and the

players in the AI space.

Can you just give us a brief

overview of the types that

are not, you know, kind of

the super niche ones, but the

ones that affect most of us.

Yeah.

So in general, like AI,

artificial intelligence,

chat, GPT and other.

things of the same caliber,

what are they doing?

Essentially, they're literally

scraping information from

whatever codes that I've been

put into that software and

so the developer has told

this particular software,

Hey, I want you to scrape

Y, Z information so that

X, Y, Z information is your

finite pool of information.

It's not infinite.

It's not some superhuman

power that's creating

this information, right?

It is definitely sourced

from already created.

Information and whether

that is publicly available

or whether that is

private, it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, that

information is generally

owned by somebody else in the

back end, and it's not the

company that's providing the

AI to you for the most part.

And so, you a lot of the

scraping is happening, and

we talk about chat more

often than not, because

that is the 1 that is so

prevalent and it's free.

Not paying for it.

So everybody has access to it.

But guess what?

When everyone has access to

it, that means everybody's

using the same stuff over and

over and over and over again.

And while chat GPT has

increased its, scraping,

boundaries, I guess you

could call it that way.

Meaning, they're going

throughout the internet.

So there's a lot more

stuff that's available.

There are other tools out

there that have automatically

integrated AI into their,

platforms, like, so, for

example, Canva, which is

used really vastly by a lot

of people in the creative

industry, not, everyone

uses Canva, it's not a

creative thing, it's like,

everybody who knows Canva

Oh, my gosh, I'm a graphic

designer all of Canva.

So Canva also has a lot of AI

capabilities in it too now.

I mean, Google the other

day just popped up.

Hey, do you want to

use our AI services?

And I'm like, okay,

Google, let's do it.

And so that's there too.

And, of course, like within.

Particular industries

like the legal industry.

There's a lot of software

that's popped up now.

within the photography

industry, there's a lot

of software that's popped

up that helps with editing

or with, calling, every

industry has their AI.

Little aspect and I say

every industry very loosely

because there are other

industries just like the law.

That's a dinosaur and they are

really like slow motion and

catching up with everything

that's happening and the law.

And in that sense, yeah, we

have AI tools, but at the same

time, the law itself has not.

Reached the whole AI

situation and today we're

talking about the U.

S.

Law.

If you go outside globally,

laws are different.

Copyright laws, different

IP laws, different in

different countries

I was sitting in

a CLE recently.

And, China's copyright

does not say per se that

content has to like work

product, you know, whatever

you're trying to copyright

has to be generated by

human meanwhile in America.

That's definitely written, but

in China it's not, although

they're not like, okay, all

AI is can be protected, but

at the same time, it's not.

Expressly written either.

And so it's really

interesting, you to see the

nuances of AI and how they're

impacting not just the U.

S.

but globally.

Also,

well, tell

us what's the difference

between Google and, I

assume reach all corners of

the Internet from Google.

Versus why are we so

much more alarmed by

than we are by Google?

Well, because Google

is a search

engine and you put in

a question or you put

in a search and it pops

up different links.

It pops up information,

but it's literally

sourcing from other people.

And, you know, it, you know,

the direct link access to it's

not just a general information

that they're giving you.

And.

They've used the keywords

and based on the keywords

that those websites have or

the SEO that they've done.

There's a lot of algorithms

that run behind the scenes

and the keywords and according

to those, those things pop up

or they might just be a paid

ad sponsored ad and they pop

up on your list too, right?

That's that, that's Google.

So it's a search engine.

Meanwhile, ChatGPT

is not that.

tools like ChatGPT are where

you are putting in a question

and it auto generates.

This paragraph this

research this thing, but

the way it answers to you.

It's not giving you

any references unless

you ask for it.

And it's also just providing

information in general now.

So you don't know

if it's truthful.

You don't know if

it's as accurate.

You don't know if it's

yours to be used any

like, can you use it?

And so there's a lot of

issues that pop up with that

also, but truly, it's just

It dump of information but

it just has now the software

and the tools behind it.

The software is where

it can quickly get

everything together and

generate information.

And so it's just really

high powered in that sense.

And it generates

information in a smart way.

Where it's providing you

like, as if you're talking

to the computer rather

than just a link dump.

the

fear is that, I mean,

basically it takes out.

I mean, it's not that

it's today say, you know,

a year ago, pre chat.

I could go on Google,

ask, a question about.

money, about how to invest

for retirement and I would

get a bunch of sites and then

I, as a human would have to

kind of put it together, but

I would still be able to use

all these other people's work

that I found on the Internet.

And I could take it and

change it just enough that

it's not recognizable and

not give them attribution.

Right?

I could do all that before.

Except that now with

AI, it's kind of doing

it instantaneously.

And so it just kind of

takes the friction out

of, I guess, Using other

people's materials.

Yeah, exactly.

And I think that's

the thing, right?

It's just kind of

auto dumping for you.

And then you don't have to

even put a brain behind it

in the sense of your mind.

And it's just, you

could copy paste.

Unfortunately, that's

what's been going on.

Right?

And so a lot of people are

like, oh, the fears that.

Naturally occurred,

which everyone was

like, oh, my gosh, we're

gonna lose our jobs.

And so, but ultimately,

like you said before, the

human touches there, right?

When you 1st did the Google

and you can actually discern.

Okay.

This is good.

This is bad.

You can actually filter

things out using your mind.

Your wisdom, your

experience that chat GPT

does not have, it also

doesn't have creativity.

It doesn't have that EQ

that you have as a human.

So therefore it can

never replace you.

it's also finite, right?

Our creativity is not finite

unless we make it by night.

And I think, those are like

a lot of the fears that came

out as like losing jobs.

There's going to be jobs

that are going to be

replaced by automation.

That's a natural given thing.

Cars replaced buggies

and horse driven

carriages, dishwashers

replaced handwashing.

so things do happen.

And you when the computer

came out, it replaced

a lot of writing.

When the emails came

out, it replaced a lot of

handwriting and letters

and stuff like that.

And it is what it is.

But at the same time,

you still need the human

touch in order to generate

some of the output that

you need ultimately.

So then I truly don't think

jobs are going to be taken.

I just think more jobs will

be created while other jobs

might phase out because of

automation and the ease,

but other jobs will be

created simultaneously.

I mean,

the jobs that required

some truly creative or

artistic element to that.

Won't go away now, if you

had a job, or let's say your

job was writing headlines.

I don't know.

And it really wasn't

that creative.

It's 100 percent possible

that that job would go away,

but those that require, the

application of expertise

and context and all those

things, all the things

you mentioned Absolutely.

You know, you know, I

can say, like, I can't

read the room, right?

I can't go like, oh, I don't

like her body language.

I better, go another

direction now, things that

are uniquely human and

require humans, involvement.

So, speaking of the legal

issues and being behind,

I know that recently there

was I think it was just

at the initial level,

of a, case regarding.

Okay.

Someone who tried to

register a 100 percent AI

artwork, and the copyright

office rejected it.

I mean, they say they're

going to appeal it, of course,

which I imagine they will.

but at this time, if you ask

the copyright office, which

I have recently, where you

say, like, what will you

do with something that's, I

start with an outline from AI,

but then I write around it.

and it was like.

Well, it depends was

the answer that I got.

what's going on with that?

Where is it going?

how do we deal with that?

I love it.

It depends.

It's so funny when someone

messaged me a question,

like, it depends guys.

know, better than I

do about the copyright

office, but like, with the

copyright office, right?

You have to disclose how

much of it is yours or not.

So let's just

start with there.

Like, if you know, parts

of it are a hundred percent

created by not you, it

doesn't matter if it's AI

or not, not you, you got

to disclose that anyways.

And then the parts

that are created a

hundred percent by AI.

Disclose that too.

Now, what, makes up

too much or too little?

That's still something

that they have to

figure out, right?

What's transformative

versus what's just kind of

the same, but not really.

That's still, they

have to figure out.

And that's why I think

they gave you the, it

depends answer, right?

But I guess I can to err on

the side of caution and just

to be, abundantly cautious.

I think if you have

anything that's a hundred

percent generated by AI.

Or something else that is

not yours that obviously

you have to disclose so

that you can at least get

copyright protected for the

parts that you've created.

Right?

And then, if it's something

that in your true mind,

you know, that you are

really it's not yours.

It's not your creative

output and it's not 100

percent your authorship.

And that says where you

can claim fame to it.

Right.

like, in your subconscious,

you already know that

answer so might as

well just work towards

that way in that sense.

wish I could say, hey,

50 percent or more, you

know, and I know that it's

going to be great, but we

can't say that because we

don't know the answers.

But if, we just go with

the rule of law, Currently

today, then we just kind of

look at that and just use

that as our guiding light.

Then I think that would

kind of go with like,

is it transformative or

is it a derivative work?

Like, you know, it's kind of

looking at that is how much of

the original are we actually

putting in to the final?

And if it's substantially the

original and no one can really

tell the difference, then Hey,

you and I both know that's

not copyright protected.

And the other

thing is, you know, with

respect to things that we

register for copyright, as

opposed to things that are

automatically, the things

we write every day, all the

posts, all the newsletters

and things like that.

I mean, I don't register

any of this, kind of stuff,

the things that you actually

want to register on the

assumption that these are

the things that are really

important in your business.

These are kind of, you

know, your flagship pieces,

your courses, or your books

or things like that, that

should not be AI generated.

Hopefully that stuff is

straight from you and.

Your experience

Okay.

Let's talk about

that for a second.

Oh my gosh.

How A lot of my clients are

in the online business space.

Okay.

I love you all, but come on

you know, selling a course

and now you're generating

those courses on AI tools,

because that's how people

are selling AI these days.

Generate this free workshop,

generate this, generate

this workbook on AI.

I'm sorry.

I don't know what

you're doing, but

anybody can get that.

I can just do that on myself.

Like, your prompts

have to be correct.

This has to be this.

That has to be this.

Really?

I mean, ultimately

that's not partition.

I'm curious.

Like, what is the content?

Like, do you, have

you seen any more?

I don't know,

like, I

mean, I'm going to get

like a thousand, you

ads on my Instagram now,

but they'll pop up and

say,

it's listening.

I know that my phone's here,

but pops up

and say, these different,

educators online and

there's like, okay,

we're going to teach you

how to make a course.

Lovely.

They're going to give

you the guidance on

how to make a course.

Then you have these,

software tools out there.

You want to create

an AI course.

We can give you so

many different chat GPT

prompts on how to create

courses for yourself.

that's so misleading on so

many different levels, and

that's just unless they tell

you, hey, listen, we can teach

you prompts that can guide you

to make topics that can guide

you to create an outline that

can guide you to inspire you.

But then truly, at

the end of the day,

you have to take that.

And make it your own

in order to protect it

for, copyright purposes.

That's a whole

nother ballgame.

don't know either they're

misleading in their

advertising or they're

just giving you the

wrong information on

the whole thing itself.

I'm finding some of

these unethical practice.

I find them unethical.

My opinion, you know, and,

when you're unethical in

that space, you're also.

Violating a lot of other

laws that are out there

with regards to like, FTC

and all these other things.

And you just have

to be careful.

Online marketing needs

to really be more careful

in what they're doing.

Yeah.

I'm wondering if I've seen

some of these that you

mentioned, because I know

somehow in my IG feed is

something about, writing books

and selling, eBooks and for

multiple revenue streams.

And I'm thinking now, probably

they were going to, have

some sort of way of using AI

to create all these books.

I'm guessing.

there was a

case last year where there

are a lot of communities

out there, whether you're an

author community, on their

online communities, other

communities, photography

communities, so many

communities out there, right?

since the whole AI thing has

become so popular, some people

have created AI communities

also, where they're sharing

a lot of information and that

software now this platform is.

Generating information based

on what the community is

feeding into it alongside

maybe a lot of other things

that they're scraping.

And so there's this 1

particular community.

I forgot the name of it, but

there was this case last year

that it's graphic novelist.

So she's a graphic novelist.

That's what she does.

She creates comics, right?

and so She's part

of this graphic

novelist, AI community.

I forgot her name.

Like, I'm so sorry.

I forgot all this information,

but the funny thing is that

it's really comical to me

actually because I'm just

like, what were you thinking?

But, um, she this entire

graphic novel based on.

AI graphic designing.

So she's not even

created pictures.

Some AI software has created

her, graphics and her novel.

I mean, okay, the verbiage

is all her probably, but

the graphics, which is

predominantly your book

itself is a graphic novel.

She's created it through

AI and this community

also further permits

all members to use each

other's stuff too, which

essentially she, registered

for the copyright office.

Copyright office said,

okay, because she also

did not disclose that

it's created by AI.

And so the copyrights

office, said, okay, but

within a month, they also

have the right to rescind.

Their, copywriter,

registration that

they've done.

And so they did.

They're like, hello, this

is totally generated by ai.

It's not generated by you

at all, like the graphics,

so we cannot, how did,

do you

know how they found out?

I don't

actually, I'm not really

sure how that happened.

which is funny because Right,

like a lot of times there's

no cross and checking.

Yeah.

Like, no, none of

that is happening.

So I'm really not sure

how that happened.

And, they, they

rescinded it and mm-hmm.

. Now, of course, you know,

there's a whole litany of all

these other things happening,

but it just goes to the

point of first of all, can

we, if you're getting into a

community or using a software

that has AI implementation

into it, read the terms

and conditions of it.

You have to, because you

don't know what they're

using the information

you're inputting for, right?

You might think it's yours,

but the minute you give it

away, it's not yours anymore.

And the you said, by

the way, everybody in

the world can have it.

You can't protect

that stuff anymore.

And so it's undermining

the whole process of the

copyright registration

at that point as well.

So read that terms and

conditions, please read it.

It's important

more than anything.

It's important these days.

Than ever before.

also read their privacy policy

because ultimately you're

going to be almost responsible

for whatever this third party

might be doing inadvertently.

So you need to read it and

make sure it aligns with

your business practices

and your values also,

because it's important.

And, you just really need

to hone into the terms and

conditions of these different

platforms that you're using.

Yeah.

Well, that's certainly

the reason why.

Law firms have been very

slow to use AI because they

don't know exactly what will

happen if I put in something

about a client, where does

that end up like chat GVT

does say, your content does

not enter our database,

although like, we know that

it stores it somehow because

we know that it improves on

it with each, regeneration.

it's combining it.

Other sources to

make it better.

So somehow it's in there

somehow, you know, we don't

know how exactly, but we

know that, it's there and

I guess the, the fact that

they have populated their

databases with, protected

materials that they didn't

have the authority to use.

Like, how do we trust?

we are you

saying other people's

work product that we don't

have permission to use

and neither do most of

these software companies.

I highly doubt it.

I mean, if anything, if

you're within a community,

that's a paid community.

Maybe maybe they've done it.

Who knows?

We still have to

check the terms and

conditions on that 1.

And they may not even have it

in the terms and conditions

of their website or their,

membership agreement.

That's something you might

just have to ask on a side

note, because it just may

not be relevant to them

to share it with you.

but that's truly 1 of

the biggest things is,

inadvertently infringing

on someone else's.

IP rights, because that's

definitely a viable scenario.

Another thing that we need

to really worry about is the

efficacy of the information

that we're getting.

how true is the sourcing?

How true is it?

Is it hallucinating?

Because chatgbt

hallucinates all day long.

Yeah.

Talk

about hallucinations.

for those who have

hallucinations.

Yeah, it definitely has

it, you know, and so you

have to be careful that the

information that you are

now gaining is a truthful

is there accuracy in it.

I know that there's

lawyers in the beginning

in the chat groups that

come up on Facebook with

us, it's like, Oh, I use

chat TV to do research.

And I came up with this

crazy case that was totally

saying what I wanted to say.

But then later on, I

realized it didn't exist

I had a personal

experience where I was

working on a contract and it

referenced a state law in New

York, let's say, and I was

going to use it in California.

I'm like, well, what, asked

chat GPT, what would be

an equivalent law under

California law to the

citation for the New York law?

And it just made up.

a law I'm like, okay,

I get the answer.

Then I plug it in just to

see, what is this thing?

So I can actually read

the law and it's like,

doesn't exist, you know?

You

have to

double check everything

and make sure it's correct.

Make sure, because ultimately

what's on the line, your

credibility is on the line.

that's more important to me.

Then all the other risk

exposure that I'm getting,

that's my personal thing,

but like, I don't want my

credibility to be on the line.

I want it to be where I've

done the cross checking.

I've done the three times

on my shores situation.

So,

Yeah.

And you have to be

mindful of the use, right?

Like if you ask chat, you

could probably let people do

this, like write 10 social

media posts that are just

kind of pithy about some posts

about copyright, and they do.

10 sentences for you to,

you know, that's one thing

versus again, something

that's, really going to

be an evergreen piece or

something that you're using

to show your expertise or

something you're going to

be presenting to someone,

certainly a client deliverable

for, you know, don't, don't.

Do that, you know, and

say, well, let's talk

about the deliverables.

And, I know I recently

had a client who was word.

She's a speaker and the,

sponsor, took her speech and

like, made a transcript from

it and then stuck it into chat

and then create an article

out of it and not off out, and

she didn't have anything to

prevent them from doing that.

And so she was, you know,

wanted to revise her speaker

agreements to make sure that

that didn't happen again.

And I know that other people

are doing some of the things

like, making sure that,

deliverables, haven't used for

deliverables and certainly

it's not new to have to.

Give reps and warranties

that the deliverables or

original things like that.

But how are people

handling that in the

transactional areas?

Yeah, same thing.

I didn't

even think about going to

presentation and someone

taking that, I absolutely

include now the whole AI calls

and that's the thing, right?

Well, the law hasn't caught up

to it like courts and actual,

case law or statutory law.

But as lawyers, we have to

catch up to it a lot quicker.

And so we have to include

these laws that clauses

that never existed before.

And now you're creating

clauses that you didn't

need to create before.

And so that's definitely

part of my new contracts

that are coming out.

Even my old ones, I'll revert

back to all my clients and

say, Hey, listen, Okay.

Do you need this?

Is this something that

we need to put in back

into your contracts that

we've already created?

Because it's truly a

fear factor, right?

Because A lot of people

are doing it without very

innocently, actually there's

zero malicious intent on this.

It's just an innocent.

Oh, but it makes

our life easier.

It makes work easier.

We're more productive.

And you're looking at all

the positive aspects of

using AI, which is fine.

But if ultimately you are

giving something to your

client as a business owner,

if you're providing a service

or product to your client,

that they will in turn.

Converted into another

service and product for their

clients, or if they're using

for their purposes where

they're owning it and they

want to use it for their

brand or whatever purpose,

they're wanting to now claim

ownership, intellectual

property ownership on it.

You have to disclose what

you've used and to what

extent you've used it,

because then that would also

directly reflect on ownership.

For them, I've used

to do research.

I've used to create some

prompts for your captions, or,

you know, whatever the spine,

but if you're using it for

other purposes, where, You're

using it to create their logo.

No, you're like,

you can't do that.

Don't do that.

And so like,

that's not a thing.

Don't create a tagline.

Also, please don't

do that unless it's

like, really unique.

You don't even then

you don't know.

Point is that It needs to be

part of your contracts now.

And like you said, also with

the speaker agreements, you

have to, in fact, should

just be part of any agreement

where there's usage, right?

What is usage look like?

Can somebody take something

just because they're

sponsoring me and convert

everything that I'm doing and

create a derivative out of it?

No, maybe, I don't know.

It depends on your

relationship with them, but

that just kind of goes again

to the usage aspect of.

the intellectual property

that you're creating and

licensing out to someone else.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And again, like, I mean,

there were shades of this

in current agreements

in your old, whatever is

currently out there, in

addition to, you know, the

originality, requirement,

or even, requiring.

the client's permission before

you incorporate any 3rd party

materials, and we might have

a traditional sense of it.

Well, if I'm going to use

some, open source software

or something, then I got

to disclose order from

using something that I'm

sub licensing to you.

I'm going to disclose it.

Well, we also need to be

thinking in terms of this.

AI material is also not yours.

I don't know who it's

not, but it's not yours.

And there by

definition, third party.

It's a third party material.

it is, and

I think a lot of people

just don't understand that.

Right.

it's like the whole misnomer.

I go to Google, so

because it's public, I

can use it, it's fair

use or it's on Facebook.

And Facebook should, No,

my legal rights, because

it's public, but it's not

Facebook, Google, they're

all private companies.

They're not a public company,

they're not a government

company, they can do

whatever the heck they want.

Confusing

public and public domain.

I

do.

Yeah.

It's confusing.

Right?

A lot.

Yeah.

And so I think it just

falls under the real,

like innocent factor.

And then just.

Lack of knowing, right?

Ignorance.

But ignorance is

never a defense.

Never, never, never.

That is true.

for our audience

of experts, professional

services providers, expertise

based business owners,

what are the top one or

two top, tips you have for

them as they navigate AI in

and around their business?

This will

take some time, but I would

do, like, an audit on how

you want to use AI in your

business, meaning look at

what you're doing right now.

Look at the ways you could

actually streamline some work

processes, the SOPs into your

business and integrate AI

into those spaces where they

don't really impact products.

The output necessarily

directly, but it's just

facilitating and easing your

I've used AI to create emails,

just create this email for me

and you just want to make sure

it sounds like your voice.

So there needs to be an audit.

And then also alignment,

especially have a team of

people working for you.

You need to make sure that

they're all on the same page.

Of how they're working

for you, whether they're

employee or a contractor,

because you don't want

your team member using AI

without your knowledge.

And then giving you

this amazing stuff.

And you're like, wow, what

just happened overnight?

so there needs to be an

understanding of what

you have right now.

And how I will be integrated

into your business.

And that needs to be expressed

with your team as well.

So that way everybody's

on board and they know

expectations and that notice

has been given to them.

also I would really

urge on the factor of

transparency with your

clients, transparency with

how you're doing business,

even within the team itself

on how with clients also,

this is how I use AI.

AI, if you don't use

AI, that's great.

you have to have transparency

with your privacy policies

also, and then the

terms and conditions.

And if there's any part of

your AI that you're using

service provider, where you

are using AI, and, you know,

as part of the deliverables,

that absolutely needs to be

part of the transparency.

And it might be a part

of your business model.

That's okay.

Your client

needs

to know that.

Yeah.

If it's baked

into your pricing.

The reason this is such

a budget friendly option

is because we use some

AI generated materials.

It's not all, custom

made by human.

Then that's fine.

I mean, there are people

who want something

at every price point.

Right.

but don't pretend that

it's bespoke when it's.

I always

as a business owner.

I always think it's

really important to go

back to the value system

of your business and the

mission of your business.

And whenever you're adding

something new, whether

it's technology or a new

business diversity, whatever

you're doing, does it

align with your mission?

Does it align with the

values that you have and

then move forward with that?

And then make sure you

are creating transparency

amongst your team.

Thank you.

And your clients on how you're

using or what the plan is.

And to be clear,

like, I'm not demonizing AI or

the usage of AI, but because

it is, you know, technology

is, but it is, yeah, about.

The alignment with, how you're

presenting yourself and your

services and deliverables

and what the contract

requires, of course, as well.

it

is here to stay.

It's going to come in many

different forms and fashions.

Chat.

It was just literally the

1 1st robust version that

we're all having access to.

There's going to be a lot

more stuff coming out.

I mean, even with virtual

reality and wearing those.

Goggles and Google's.

Apple's coming out with

something new now, with the,

virtual reality.

So cool.

but there's

a lot going on, right?

There's a lot that can also

change the face of businesses

too, because everything

can become a business

thing and nothing is wrong.

It's just making sure that you

are using in a way that is.

That is ethical.

That is not, getting into

other people's rights or

violating someone else's space

or privacy or, those aspects.

Also,

Yeah.

violating other people's

rights is a little bit tricky

simply because we don't

know what the source of the

AI generated content is.

so just taking it as

a starting point and

then putting your

own original spin.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Because it doesn't tell

you it's not like Google.

Where it's sourcing and even

then, when you go into someone

else's website, you don't know

where they're sourcing from.

That's right.

That is so true.

There's only so many

ideas in the world.

Right?

And I think

I know I

miss the encyclopedias.

I

miss

the other day.

I wish I could remember

the context, but I was

thinking, I mean, you know.

Like many of our parents

had this massive linear

feet of encyclopedias in

our houses growing up.

So yes,

one of those

encyclopedias at that time

were literally is a non

refutable source of already

like you just feel like

you knew it's coming from

the right space is not that

it's helpful.

I like, you know,

I like it for my

pop culture

purposes is really good.

It's really cool.

But, Wikipedia

ultimately can be.

From my understanding, it can

be just done by, I could put

up something.

Well, I think you

do have to have some

qualifications to post.

Yeah.

I don't think anyone can post

on anyone's, but you're right.

It's not, All right.

So thank you for that.

So as we know, this is

a very meta podcast for

female founders of expertise

based businesses who are

building them to scale and

hopefully sell someday.

And so.

You as the female founder

of an expertise based

business, do you have any

plans to perhaps sell your

business someday or what

your next step may be?

Yeah, scaling

is definitely a part

of the plan of action.

right now.

So I have a subscription

legal services that I

offer and my goal is to

get that into every, like

all 50 states, because I

want it to be available.

And it's not going to

be not legal zoom, but

it's definitely legal

services that are available

throughout the 50 states.

So that is the plan of action

that I'm working towards.

And, that's on the legal side.

And I have started an

educational platform as

well for younger kids.

And I'm hoping to

spread that also.

Tell me about that.

It's called junior pitch

deck and it is essentially

like a shark tank, but

for middle schoolers.

And it's a program where it

teaches them the foundation

of building a business.

so every class you're

learning something about

either finance or marketing

or business planning,

ideating and all that stuff.

And ultimately you're

creating a pitch deck.

Which will follow up with a

pitch competition at the end.

my goal with this project

is really a passion project

of mine that I'm working on,

but I'm looking to spread it

into all schools globally.

And that is because I want

to spark hope in kids.

I want to break cycles of

not enough or the cycles

of I can't do it, or you

weren't made for this, or

you got the short end, like

all that negative stuff.

I just want to break those

cycles and tell kids that

just because you're given

this space doesn't mean this

is where you belong only.

And so why don't we look into

ourselves, find our gifts.

Find the things that have

been given to us naturally

and make them better

and create something out

of it and serve others.

That's fantastic.

I love that.

is that publicly available?

Like, is there a

Girija Patel:

website for that?

uh, I am building a

website out right now.

It's something that I,

this is my 4th semester

teaching at one of the