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9: The Beauty of Pausing
Episode 930th May 2023 • More Than Enough • Pamela Ames and Mary Cochran
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In today's episode we discuss the beauty of pausing throughout our day and how we can "reset" in the midst of our crazy lives.

We don't just eat once a day and consider it good. Rather, we hunger for food all throughout our day to sustain us. In the same way, we need Jesus all throughout our day to sustain our hearts and remind us of His truth.

We go over some strategies and resources that we have used to pause in the midst of our days and that have helped us to realign our thoughts back on Him. But we also emphasize that it's not just about checking off a box or implementing yet another app or strategy, but it's always about building a genuine relationship with our Creator!

References:

The Pause App- https://www.pauseapp.com/

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In a world that has more than enough information and noise, is it even

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possible to truly anchor ourselves and have peace in a scattered world?

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Hi, this is Pamela and Mary, and we are a mother-daughter team who spanned

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two generations, but share one message.

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We will delve into what it looks like to be fully integrated body,

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soul, and spirit, and will bring encouragement and hope all along the way.

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We get it.

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Life is hard and let's be real.

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Hard doesn't even begin to describe it on some days, but we want you

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to know that you're not alone.

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And not only that, we are here to come alongside you and cheer you on as you

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walk out your individual storyline.

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So join us as we journey together and laugh, cry, and everything in between.

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Welcome to the More Than Enough podcast.

Pam:

Hey, welcome back to The More Than Enough Podcast.

Pam:

Hey Ma.

Mary:

Hey, Mary.

Mary:

Good morning.

Pam:

morning.

Pam:

Good morning.

Pam:

How are you doing?

Pam:

Good morning,

Mary:

Good morning.

Mary:

yeah, I'm, I'm doing good.

Mary:

We're busy with the house working.

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We're renovating a house to those of you who don't know that yet.

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And so that's big stuff.

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And yeah, we're working on that and Dad is just growing.

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gonna be amazing.

Mary:

Amazing.

Mary:

Beautiful.

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As my husband grows more crippled by the day with his little hands.

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His little hands.

Pam:

What is, what is his hands like from Sandy?

Pam:

Oh,

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Yes.

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Just a year or two of sanding.

Mary:

Mm-hmm.

Pam:

Oh my

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Yes, I know, I know it, it is.

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I know it is going to be worth it all, all of the pains and all of it.

Pam:

Maybe.

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Hopefully, hopefully it will be worth it.

Pam:

Okay, so I am going to go ahead and jump in to this week's topic.

Pam:

I'm actually super excited.

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Mom, we all know you're excited because you showed me your notes this.

Mary:

Well, yes, literally I'm excited because I get super excited about beauty.

Mary:

So that's, that's my part here is

Pam:

it's actually about pausing

Mary:

Yeah.

Mary:

You know what?

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Well, I, I have a little thing, I have a little thing I'm gonna say that is,

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I was halfway into getting ready for this yesterday and I realized I had it

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backwards and I was focusing on beauty.

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So, but that's okay.

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I have

Pam:

The beauty of pausing.

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Yes.

Mary:

Ahuh.

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Aha.

Mary:

Well that's okay.

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You start first cuz I got something to say.

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That'll make sense.

Pam:

Okay.

Pam:

Okay.

Pam:

I love that.

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Beauty of pausing.

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I love beauty.

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It's like a, my kids, I'm like, no.

Pam:

Did you read the instructions?

Mary:

Exactly.

Mary:

I did not.

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So you go first.

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Go ahead,

Pam:

Oh, that's amazing.

Pam:

No, I'm sure whatever you're going to say is going to be gold.

Pam:

So yes, beauty of pausing.

Pam:

So I feel like this is very well, there's so many things.

Pam:

That's why you have so many notes, mom, and we couldn't really go

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on so many directions with this.

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And so when I think of pause, I even think of just like a reset, , just like

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a continual reset throughout our day.

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I think about, I, I remember, I feel like the, the theme for so long was like,

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did you have your quiet time with Jesus?

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And it was like, and, and again, I'm not like mocking that at all.

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Like, that's so, so important.

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Right.

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And I would do that, , or when I finally did get to do it, I'm like, yes.

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I followed through and spent my time alone with the Lord in the morning.

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And by like lunchtime I was like, wow, I feel rage and anxiety

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and wanting to throw someone,

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and I'm like, what was that?

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spent time with Jesus this morning, and anyway, and I, but I do feel

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like the Lord was, . Well, Mary, like you ate breakfast and now it's

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lunchtime and you're hungry again.

Mary:

Oh, yes,

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we eat all throughout the day and the Lord was like, you

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need meat all throughout the day.

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And he's like, so when you start to feel that angsty feeling, almost

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let that trigger your brain of like, oh, you're having hunger pains.

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You're needing to reset again.

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You're needing to refix your eyes on Jesus.

Pam:

So yeah, that's just kind of a fun little.

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Thought, but real, those hunger pains we feel of like, oh, nope, I need food again.

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And the Lord's like, yeah.

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That's kind of how I made it work, you know?

Mary:

Yeah.

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I, I could quit right now with that.

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That is so good.

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That is so good.

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And you know, I, obviously being older, I resonate with the whole idea of

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quiet time and I totally concurrent.

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Neither of us are saying that that is not a valuable thing, but we're

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in different seasons of life, right?

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I'm in a seasons of life where, There are, there are often many days where I get to

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spend kind of an open timeframe with the Lord and they're glorious those mornings.

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But yeah, I think, , it's just like you can only eat so much

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food, even if you're really hungry.

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We push that boundary, let's say, at Thanksgiving and stuff ourselves.

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But, , the fact is, is it doesn't taste near as, is if we were

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to wait five or six more hours and now let's just do it again.

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And you know, our taste buds will be ready to, to really let those flavors

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sort of explode inside of our, , senses.

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So yeah, I think this is something God is teaching us as

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you know, to take him with us.

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, to practice his presence because we are so desperate and everything is

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coming at us at such a rapid pace throughout the day, on any given

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day, and probably in many ways for any given culture and time period.

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But we all acknowledge that, particularly because of the internet

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and the fast pace of our lives.

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How much more is what you just said important for today?

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Right.

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Just because of the days we.

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the day we live.

Pam:

Yeah, I think you're right.

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I think there is something about that.

Pam:

Well, I was even breeding last night.

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I was reading in Daniel and I was like, wow.

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I mean, I, I just feel like he's.

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Such an amazing picture, even for our generation of, he was

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taken, as a captive in Babylon.

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So he's in a foreign land, which I'm sure so many of us feel like this,

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this life, this world, this fast pace.

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It just all feels too much.

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It feels foreign.

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And then of course the Lord says, , you are an alien in this world, so

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it's all of it together, but it's like, Lord, how did Daniel do that?

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Like continue to fix his eyes on you.

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And, and we do see that.

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Three times a day, go into the chamber and spend time with the Lord.

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And again, I think both of us would say it's not a formula.

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It's not because he did the ritualistic thing, right?

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Right?

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religions all over the world have rituals where they,

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pray this, do this, do this.

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So I know it's, that isn't the, the formula to make that but I

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think it was a posture of his heart to say, oh, I can't sustain.

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in the midst of Babylon without continually, turning my eyes to the Lord.

Mary:

Hmm.

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Good.

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Again,, very lovely to think about that, , in the context of his life and

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his day and yeah, because, we do think.

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, in the events of our world like this is, this is just almost unbearable.

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And yet I do love those Old Testament stories, all of them.

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And when I say story, I mean these are reality.

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This is history.

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So they're not made up.

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But those stories are so inspiring because we see like Daniel and many

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others where they're just in such dire straits and such difficult things.

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And I think that's another part of how we can be inspired by these stories.

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Not just for the moral of the story, but in many ways some

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of the things they actually did and how they lived their lives.

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In the midst of that, this idea of Daniel praying three times a day

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really sort of brings that to focus.

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So yeah, I thought of some words, you know, because I'm always a word person.

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So as I was going into this, I was thinking of, okay, pause,

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and, we know what that is and.

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But I was thinking, , kind of what's driving that, what's driving that need,

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, and the main one that came to me is peace.

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that can be like , sort of to, to jog our memory, throughout the day.

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This gets into some of this spirit soul work that we can

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do even throughout the day.

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so a good indication we've been saying this for, maybe several weeks

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now, is that for us to sort of get.

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A little more attuned to those emotions that we have throughout the day, so we

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don't have to wait until, we take it out on everybody and then have a giant

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fight with our husband that night.

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All because we weren't, we, we were being disconnected from that

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original thing that just built and.

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Many times, by the time it's hard to even go back to what was that original

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thing, because now I'm so far off course and my emotions are so big

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that I can't even really remember.

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Oh, it was that one thing that happened on my way to work,

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But by not checking in with ourselves.

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so we're saying that there's beauty and pausing throughout the day.

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So I think, why are we doing this?

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I, I think that's the first question I'm always asking myself when I have a

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subject I'm going to teach or prepare for.

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The question is always, why, you know, why is this important?

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Well, one of them is to realign ourself so that we can access the

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peace of God, because oftentimes we're talking about negative emotions.

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But you know, the truth, is you can have very positive emotions and be

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all jazzed up about something because something good may have happened.

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And yet maybe you haven't really connected with the Lord just to even thank him.

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So don't, don't be deceive that just the negative emotions can take over, but

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positive and maybe thinking ourselves too highly and not connecting with God

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and having gratitude in Thanksgiving.

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So when we're talking about pausing, we're talking about the good and the bad.

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We're talking about staying connected to God and to being awake to our emotion.

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That's, that's, that's one of the primary things we're talking about.

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

I think that's such a good point.

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There's so many, so many amazing things that even as we were talking about

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earlier this morning about pausing and the, like, the beauty of pausing, right?

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But I think another one to bring up, like you said, was the idea that

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it helps us to stay present in our emotions and, and not just move ahead.

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It's like, oh no, right now, this is what I'm feeling, so let's pause and, and

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take this to the Lord right now, because four hours later, that's old news.

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And now I'm super angry about this, this, this, this.

Pam:

Absolutely.

Pam:

Yeah.

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So that's super good.

Pam:

Okay, mom, I'm super curious

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how you were stuck on the word beauty, so let's tie, that together for

Mary:

Okay.

Mary:

I'm gonna say that we were kind of going with this idea.

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Let's talk about the beauty of pausing throughout the day.

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And I would say that you just flip that around and what are we pausing for?

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We're pausing for beauty.

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So the thing is, is what are we pausing for?

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And, and so when we begin to think of the beauty of our God and how he is near, he's

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present, he has these gifts to impart to us at any given second, like peace, like.

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like the antithesis of despair, which

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Yes.

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And so he is the one who gives us life and brings these things to

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the forefront for us in a moment.

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, so what is beautiful, well, I'm just gonna say this real quick.

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. And when we're talking about pausing, I have, and Mary, I'm sure has, we have

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all kinds of tools and examples and so many things, but in this first part of

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our podcast, we like to kind of zero in on, let's just dive for 15 minutes

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into the depth of this idea, and that's what you do when you're listening.

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We're just gonna take just a handful of minutes to just sit on this thought.

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So when we talk about the beauty of pausing, in our pausing, what we're

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reflecting on is what is beautiful.

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I'm gonna read this first that you all know.

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Well, probably my favorite verse, and we may have already mentioned it.

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Philippians four, eight.

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Finally, brothers and sisters, he's coming to this long teaching that he's had.

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Whatever is true, whatever is admirable, whatever is lovely, whatever is.

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is before,

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whatever is noble, whatever is right.

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Think on these things.

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If there is anything excellent or worthy of praise, because when you do this, Paul

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says, the peace of God will be with you

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yes,

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because these things are all who God is.

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So in.

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All of theology.

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The idea of beauty when we talk about God refers to his holiness

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and his glory, his other than parts that are different than us.

Pam:

Yes.

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so when we talk about pausing and we talk about the beauty that's in pausing,

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first of all, it's a way of being heal.

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healed.

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It's a way of inviting God into that moment where you're fracturing, where

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your heart is becoming anxious, where your brain is racing with these thoughts.

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It's as simple as saying, come in, Jesus.

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Sit with me.

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Jesus, So we're talking about baby steps that you can start not necessarily

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something you're gonna do on a, on a way that's, very structured.

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We're talking about just pausing to check in with your heart

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and to say, God, remind me.

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And sometimes we can be more proactive because we can take with us maybe one word

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or one phrase, or one lyric of one song.

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and we're just gonna go back to it throughout the day and maybe we're

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gonna sing that one line to the Lord in our mind at that moment of pause.

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So again, we have a lot of great strategies that are very simple,

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and yet it's just a matter of that intentionality of inviting God in

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in those moments throughout the day.

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And, and it doesn't have to be, again, a long thing.

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Two or three times a day, but it can be even more often and more brief.

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so that's kind of, that's kind of what I'm thinking about this idea of beauty

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is that that's really what we're pausing for, is to drink from the beauty of

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God, his otherness, his magnificence, his help and the power that he has to

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give us what we don't have at that.

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at that moment.

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

That's so good because I think again, so many religions and just , our culture

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today would all say that there is beauty and just mindfulness in pausing.

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And you and I talked about that as far as the brain and really, truly God

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created it so that pausing and stopping really does bring fruit, there's

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that grace that the Lord brings that.

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And wisdom just in that.

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But again, I think it's, it's good to be clear that is good.

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But we're talking about pausing for the sake of turning her eyes

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to Jesus and taking in his beauty.

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Because again,, Pausing is good.

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Being mindful is good.

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Meditation is good, right?

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Those things that everybody does there's fruit in that because God, I think,

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ordained and created our bodies to need that pause, to need that calm, to

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need that quietness of our thoughts.

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but I think it's then turning our eyes to the Lord and being intentional, like

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you said, not necessarily oh, three times a day for an hour,, it's not a formula.

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It's saying, okay, Lord, like.

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I mean, do 20 times a day, just keep turning your eyes back to the Lord.

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I do think, sometimes there is beauty with intention, even if it's five minutes.

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Rather than just like, okay, Jesus, come, because you're

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not really turning your eyes.

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I mean, Lord knows I, I'm speaking from experience cuz I can say all

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throughout the day, oh Lord, help me.

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And then I just keep going and I never really stopped,

Mary:

Yes.

Pam:

So I do think there is something about stopping.

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Again, if that's 10 minutes, if that's five minutes, but you're stopping and

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you're , okay, Lord, I'm feeling woo.

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I'm feeling outta sorts.

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I know we talked about it even if we're feeling good, then it's like, oh Jesus.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Let me acknowledge the beauty that's happening this morning, like filled with.

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gratitude and filled with , lament and all of it at the same time.

Pam:

Right.

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But I think just being intentional to posture ourselves to the Lord.

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Ask him Lord, is there something off me right now before I

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continue on with my day?

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Is there something you wanna speak to me about?

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I, is there something that

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. That you wanna show me right now?

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Just, just turning our eyes to the Lord and I think there's

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such, there's such beauty.

Mary:

Yeah.

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when you're talking about that intentionality and those sort of things

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we might say, because they've just become part of our mantra, oh Lord.

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Oh lordy, what am I gonna do here?

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Oh, Jesus.

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I, I think those are acts sometimes that are, that can be good habits that were

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just, but I think for the most part, like you said at that point, I'm just

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going to say a little bit about the brain right now because what you're referring

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to is think of it as like , in planes.

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Forever.

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You know, pilots had to really fly planes, but then, then they got

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all this technology and then they could just turn on buttons and the

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plane is basically flying itself.

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So they call that autopilot.

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That's where we get that term from because the pilot's not doing the plane.

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These mechanisms have taken over.

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Very scary.

Pam:

Yep.

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it, don't like thinking about it.

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That's right.

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That's the, that's right at the basis right there.

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Like those other crazy new cars, you know, they drive themselves not,

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I'm not sure I'll ever get in one of those, but this idea is, this

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is exactly what our brain does.

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So I, I might have mentioned this in one of , our shows before, but

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it's super simple just to kind of get this idea that the lower

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part of your brain is the fastest.

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it's so much faster and it is basically, think of autopilot.

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It's on autopilot.

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There's five or six things that it does.

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Safety being a pri because it's a very primal thing that's built into us, but

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there's these other parts and it is going to make sure it gets what it needs.

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This is the driver.

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This is the unconscious part of ourselves so many times faster

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than the intentional part of our.

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we call that our consciousness, right?

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So the thing is about 95% of the decisions we make are on autopilot.

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That's scary, right?

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If autopilot, the idea is scary, think that that much of a percentage of what

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we do and think about every day is coming from this place that has most.

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of the voice at the head of the table

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So in order for us to change what comes out of us in an

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instant without even thinking.

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thinking,

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what does it require?

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It requires new programming.

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It requires an A kind of intentionality, so it's not gonna come automatically

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to us, and especially in our age where we have so much information,

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our brains , are not, they're happiest with too much information coming at

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them, being forced to have to make a lot of decisions, all that to.

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to say

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that, but in this place of consciousness where we choose this place

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of like wisdom, where we have to measure things and think about them, where we

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have to just sit for those moments with God and reflect, this is the part where

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our brains can be radically changed.

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And can sort of where we've been hijacked by that unconscious part

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of ourselves, we can be set free.

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And now we are inner true self that wants to make these new decisions.

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We really do have the ability and how God has created us.

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That with intentionality.

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Now you can say, well, I don't have that kind of self-control, or I don't have

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willpower, or a lot of other things.

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I just wanna say to you that we're talking about something outside of

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that realm because we're talking about, the creator God who's created you.

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so that you have everything you need for godliness and peace and to be able

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to thrive even in this world today.

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So even the smallest in steps of intentionality is what I

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was hearing you say, Mary.

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That we can turn to him and cry out to him and be focused on him

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for 30 seconds, 60 seconds, two minutes, five minutes, 12 minutes

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minutes.

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Yep.

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at times, that whatever our capacity is at that, the main thing is we don't get

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on another kind of thing where I can check off a box or I can fill out my workbook.

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We're talking mostly about changing your heart and your mind.

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How can we change what we think about and how we feel about so many things?

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And that starts with checking in with yourself and checking in with God.

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So I say when we're pausing throughout the day, what we're doing is we're checking

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in with ourselves, we're being self-aware.

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By inviting God in and we're checking in to say, God, where are you?

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What do you say?

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How can you help me right now?

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Lord, remind me.

Pam:

right.

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Yes.

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Remind me, like, remind me of what's true.

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Um, I love that verse two of like, whatever is good.

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Whatever's lovely.

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I feel like I'm telling that to my children a lot.

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We talk a lot, and again, I know this isn't exactly what we're gonna be talking

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about on this episode, but it's, it ties in because again, it all ties in

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body, soul, spirit, it all ties in.

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Nothing is all by itself on a shelf.

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Yeah.

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all by itself on a shelf.

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And

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That

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just .That's good.

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That's good.

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So, you know, I tell my kids when they're like super angsty or

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let's say, kind of afraid my son.

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And I'm like, oh, what did you watch?

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Did you watch something scary at a friend's house or something?

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maybe that's why you feel afraid.

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He's like, oh no, no, that's not it.

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And I'm like, Oh, okay.

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and I'm like, guys, our souls.

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it's like a car and it needs gasoline, which means it needs life

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to let it flow and to have peace,

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whatever is good, whatever is lovely, whatever is pure.

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Like, those are the things that are gonna give us life.

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And I'm like, but if you're putting in your car rocks, or whatever, to make

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that car go, it's going to , , just break down and not even be able to go

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and like it's just filled with angst all the terrible sounds a car would make

Pam:

if you filled it with rocks, right?

Pam:

And I'm just like, guys, it's, I mean, not all the time, but I mean,

Pam:

sometimes it's such a direct correlation

Pam:

of what you're thinking on and looking at, you know, my oldest daughter, I'm like,

Pam:

oh, have you been on social media a bunch?

Pam:

just throwing it out there could cause anxiety.

Pam:

Right.

Pam:

She's like, no, mom, I'm good.

Pam:

Or whatever.

Pam:

I don't know sometimes, but I'm like, guys, I mean, I say that to myself, we're

Pam:

all, Susceptible to this, but I will say these, reset times, these pause times,

Pam:

these turning our eyes back to the Lord.

Pam:

I also tell my kids okay, every moment is a moment to reset.

Pam:

it's like no matter what you did, I also love these pause times because it's like,

Pam:

even if I just lost it on the kids or.

Pam:

A million things.

Pam:

No matter what you just did 10 minutes ago, this is your time

Pam:

to turn your eyes to the Lord and reset no matter what you just did.

Pam:

So I love that.

Mary:

Yeah, I do too.

Mary:

And I was just thinking when you were talking about, things you've done

Mary:

especially, or I guess it's exactly the same can, we can be so deeply

Mary:

offended with somebody else and

Pam:

Yes.

Pam:

Yes.

Pam:

That

Pam:

too.

Pam:

Yeah,

Mary:

but, it isn't it funny how in those moments our.

Mary:

First go-to is to shrink back.

Mary:

There's this pride, there's this wall that can instantly come up and

Mary:

it's like, oh, God isn't really the one I wanna talk to at this minute.

Mary:

I really would rather just, yell because these are the reasons I

Mary:

have the right for what I just did.

Mary:

And so, I think even turning to God, throughout the day.

Mary:

I think that's why sometimes I think our first thought needs to just check ourself,

Mary:

because that helps us to sort of realign ourselves with our humanity that, we're,

Mary:

we're weak and and so, so we can reframe that maybe hatred of ourselves or disgust

Mary:

or all the kinds of feelings we have.

Mary:

I think if we just check in and just sort of name what we're feeling.

Mary:

And if we've already concurred over and over and over in our best

Mary:

selves when we're outside of this space, I am weak and he is strong.

Mary:

We have come to accept certain values.

Mary:

I am not strong, but God is strong.

Mary:

I am not always loving.

Mary:

I can be selfish.

Mary:

I can be full of pride.

Mary:

When we begin to look at our stories and ourselves, then you know,

Mary:

I think that can help realign.

Pam:

I think that's, that's super good Mom.

Pam:

And I think, I think we can all agree, just if they needed it 2000 years

Pam:

ago to pause throughout their day.

Pam:

I think about what is it like the Daily Office?

Pam:

Yes.

Pam:

Of how, spending time with the Lord throughout the day

Pam:

and or three times a day.

Pam:

I think it was what it was.

Pam:

But again, we're not saying necessarily that, although

Pam:

that's a great jumping off place.

Pam:

Again, it's, it's more just that continual turning.

Pam:

But if it, if it helps to be intentional of like, okay, I know it helps for me.

Pam:

Literally, I, I try to like set a timer, cuz I think we all feel

Pam:

the need to, reset, but we're just like, our lives are crazy.

Pam:

How does that even work?

Pam:

Right?

Pam:

And I think we've already said, Hey, it doesn't have to be an

Pam:

hour this time or this time.

Pam:

Or maybe you, you feel like you have the capacity to do that

Pam:

again, we're not gonna give.

Pam:

Numbers and amounts because we feel like that's between you and the Lord.

Pam:

But I do feel like as far as just some strategies, I feel like we wanna leave

Pam:

you with, if you're feeling like, I don't even know how that would look.

Pam:

I mean, I totally feel you.

Pam:

My mom, she might not be.

Pam:

Necessarily in quite like crazy season of kids, but Lord have mercy.

Pam:

Can she relate in the past of just being at capacity times a thousand?

Pam:

And so, yeah.

Pam:

Ahmad, do you have any kind of strategies as we walk that out?

Mary:

The first thing I thought about in strategies is that I'm like, okay,

Mary:

these strategies are great, but let's just give one, just one little hot second

Mary:

here to, this is all about our mindset.

Mary:

So go ahead and look at your own mindset in your own heart.

Mary:

I mean, where are you in your journey with your hunger and thirst for.

Mary:

because the truth is, I think, I think that's probably where you

Mary:

should be starting, is just start to ask God, awaken me, make me hungry.

Mary:

Make in enliven my heart.

Pam:

heart.

Pam:

Because you're right.

Pam:

Even if we do all the strategies, I think going back to, body, soul,

Pam:

spirit, if we're doing that top part of the pyramid, which is our body and

Pam:

the practical, and we just give you one more thing of strategy of like, okay, go

Pam:

and spend time with God this time, this time, this time, turn your eyes to God.

Pam:

reminds me of the verse.

Pam:

you go to the Bible thinking you'll find me.

Pam:

What Jesus said, there's not life in that, there's life in me.

Pam:

But we know there's life in the word, but it's coupled when we're inviting the

Pam:

Holy Spirit into it when we're reading it and then talking to the Lord about it.

Pam:

So I think that's so, so crucial that we say that.

Mary:

Yes, yes.

Mary:

and, and this isn't, again, not above anybody else, not like anybody's farther

Mary:

than anybody else on the journey.

Mary:

But I think oftentimes there's so many reasons.

Mary:

Why we are on different places.

Mary:

So I just say, make sure that, you're really looking at that and the more

Mary:

that's not happening, I would just really focus on ways and inviting God

Mary:

in to be inspired so that your heart would become again, awake and alive.

Mary:

I say often that love, and I'm dovetailing off that the, I have found at 64.

Mary:

Old, there is no greater motivator than love.

Mary:

So I, I, I talk to so many people and so many of them like to talk about

Mary:

God, but not necessarily to him or there's no real connection there.

Mary:

So when love is awakened in all of us,

Pam:

of us

Mary:

it, it can, and, and the more love builds, and we could all attest

Mary:

to these stories in our marriages where there's been love, lack of love, love

Mary:

has died, love has been resurrected.

Mary:

We all have these different stories.

Mary:

I love to think though, mostly, and again, this isn't a true for all, but the kind

Mary:

of love that we have as mothers, right?

Mary:

That's kind of sustainable.

Mary:

It's kind of like, wow, we don't really have to try too hard for that.

Mary:

And I have also found.

Mary:

In these last 10 years of my life, that the more that I've allowed God to awaken

Mary:

that part of me that can love and deeply attach compared to my surface self and

Mary:

my autopilot self, that it, it's so much.

Mary:

Bigger and more than I originally had understood.

Mary:

So I think this falling in love with Jesus really, and I know some,

Mary:

some of those terms are a little troubling for some people, for various

Mary:

reasons of troubles with intimacy.

Mary:

But really Jesus is a person.

Mary:

He's the son of the living God and creator of the earth.

Mary:

And, and so the goal in all of.

Mary:

Is just to come back to the one you're in love with, right?

Mary:

So that's not hard for us with our kids.

Mary:

Well, on a lot of days it is hard, but you, you all, you all out

Mary:

there know what I'm talking about.

Mary:

So I've thought many times, boy, I sure love them, but some of them at stages,

Mary:

I, I didn't really like all that much.

Mary:

But so all those things to say that I, I think we look at it that way.

Mary:

That's what we're trying to do is foster that intimacy.

Mary:

Mary, you jump in with one of the tools you're thinking of.

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

Okay.

Pam:

So, I mean, I'll just kind of say again what's kind of worked for

Pam:

me, and I will say there's so many different kind of personalities in the

Pam:

ways that our brain is wired, So , I feel like I've like a broken record.

Pam:

It's not a formula, but it is just being like, I almost think of it.

Pam:

When your brain is on autopilot, I see of it as like a a Ferris wheel

Pam:

or something that's like spinning.

Pam:

I always say to my kids, we gotta stop the cycle.

Pam:

Stop the cycle.

Pam:

Usually I'm saying that when they're fighting and I'm like, somebody has to

Pam:

stop the cycle or it's not going to stop.

Pam:

It will keep going round and round and round until somebody stops it.

Pam:

And so I feel like that on autopilot when I'm just going, going, going,

Pam:

whether it's whatever it is.

Pam:

stopping that cycle for me

Pam:

to even be able to turn my eyes to

Pam:

the Lord.

Pam:

So I feel like for me a big strategy for that is worship music.

Pam:

a lot of people just listen to worship music throughout the day.

Pam:

Some people never do whatever.

Pam:

But this would be a more of an intentional thing of okay.

Pam:

Songs that I know, or playlists that I know really, , shifts my

Pam:

heart to turn my eyes to the Lord.

Pam:

So I'll, I mean, me specifically in this season of my life, I feel like

Pam:

the Lord's asking me to kind of spend a specific, not so much specific amount

Pam:

of time, but I literally am like, Lord, I want to be intentional to do

Pam:

this because otherwise I won't do it.

Pam:

And so I'm trying to even put an alarm on my phone of like, okay, I know

Pam:

I have this window of time, after working and before the first kid gets

Pam:

off the bus or something like that.

Pam:

I know I have this window of time and yes, there's a million other

Pam:

things I feel like I need to be doing, but Lord, help me, help me.

Pam:

And.

Pam:

Do not do it perfectly, but help me shift my heart.

Pam:

And what really helps that is like, okay, I'm turning this off and

Pam:

I'm turning on some worship music.

Pam:

Even if I'm feeling like, whoa, it is really hard to jump from

Pam:

work mode and all the things.

Pam:

And I just got a call from my kids' teacher on this and

Pam:

all the things to like, Ha.

Pam:

You know?

Pam:

And so it, that's so hard.

Pam:

I feel like it's actually for me so much easier in the mornings cuz it's

Pam:

like, oh, is Mercy's new in the morning?

Pam:

Nothing has hit the fan yet, but at 12 o'clock, at three o'clock, at six

Pam:

o'clock, that's feels much harder cuz you are in it, you're in it.

Pam:

So I feel like for me, just turning on worship music and just yeah, just

Pam:

turning my eyes to the Lord, that really helps that posture for me.

Mary:

Mm.

Mary:

I, it must just be coincidence that that's like the first thing on my list

Mary:

too, Mary, as mother and daughter.

Mary:

I wonder how that happened.

Mary:

But yeah, I, I think I've said before that when I was raising kids, there just wasn't

Mary:

a lot of resources or whatever, whatever.

Mary:

But I think moreover, for so many reasons, I kind of felt overwhelmed

Mary:

and desperate on a lot of those days.

Mary:

But I could turn on my little CD and so I mean, I desperately hung onto

Mary:

a lyric or two and I would just hum it in my head or I would speak it.

Mary:

And so I just feel like I know with the smallest of resources,

Pam:

resources Yeah.

Pam:

And

Mary:

I would say as myself, maybe being higher on the scale of brokenness, , I

Mary:

would say that if that's available for this one CD or two maybe that I owned,

Mary:

cuz thinking, oh, those are too expensive.

Mary:

I can't afford a cd.

Mary:

Obviously there's no Spotify.

Mary:

But the point is, is that just listening to them, I just, I mean,

Mary:

it's like, wow, how's that possible?

Mary:

And, and that's because it's possible for the guy in a prison cell, the gal in

Mary:

a prison cell, because we aren't taken captive except in our minds mostly right?

Mary:

So that we are free.

Mary:

We are free, and we need to be reminded continually that the prison door is

Mary:

open and we have access to all of who God is and his glory, and his beauty,

Mary:

and his kindness, and his compassion.

Pam:

So

Mary:

I won't preach, but I'll say that was my, that would've been that,

Mary:

that would've been my first one like yours, Mary, for so many reasons.

Mary:

It's literally where I lived, I, the idea of sitting alone with a journaling book

Mary:

and for two hours before the kids got up,

Pam:

up, right.

Mary:

that was not, we were not that family.

Mary:

That was not me at that time., I wanna say this cuz I wanna make sure

Mary:

I don't leave it out but many of us in our community here, we have a broad

Mary:

spiritual community of people who go to different churches, but we've known

Mary:

each other so we've stay very close.

Mary:

There's an app, it's a free app, it's called Pause.

Pam:

pause.

Pam:

Yes.

Mary:

imagine that, right?

Mary:

And so as, as we are so into our thing, this thing came to our

Mary:

attention oh, just a month or two ago.

Mary:

And so lots of everybody jumped on it together.

Mary:

So it's a 30 day kind of thing, and then You can

Pam:

repeating

Mary:

do more.

Mary:

You can do so much.

Mary:

Yeah, I, I'm, I'm definitely doing the same

Pam:

Yeah, totally.

Mary:

so I would just invite you to go on the, what is, that's.

Mary:

Store, the app store and that's it.

Mary:

Yeah.

Mary:

And just go on there and get it.

Mary:

Pause and yeah, you won't miss it.

Mary:

And I would say that that would probably, right now, at this point in my life,

Mary:

I have a lot of, a lot of ideas.

Mary:

But that's the freshest and newest thing.

Mary:

That I would invite you into.

Mary:

And it's a two time a day.

Mary:

You can set your times and you can set an alarm or you just go in whenever

Mary:

you want to, and then the next day it's in modules where they have sort

Mary:

of a subject for five days, a subject for the next five, the next five, the

Mary:

next five until you've hit 30 days.

Mary:

And I would say that interestingly enough, The topics that that, this,

Mary:

author, he's the author of Wild At Heart and a new book now called Resilience.

Mary:

I recommend his book as well as his app.

Mary:

And it's talking about everything.

Mary:

We're talking about going forever more in our podcast.

Mary:

So we think it's a great tool to sort of arm yourselves with right off the bat.

Mary:

And so anyway, I think that's a, that's a absolutely positively great thing and

Mary:

you can do anytime, anytime you want.

Pam:

Yeah, I started doing that and my daughter will come down, my youngest

Pam:

in the mornings when I'm trying, to do that in, in the morning time and

Pam:

she'll listen, cuz it's so peaceful, but

Pam:

it's really like

Mary:

Everybody gets hooked.

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

She's like, oh, this is so nice.

Pam:

And anyway, it's so relaxing and peaceful.

Pam:

So yeah.

Pam:

it is, it is so good.

Pam:

And I think there, there are probably so many things like that, but this is

Pam:

just one that we're using right now.

Pam:

And again, whatever stops that cycle throughout the day and you're

Pam:

able to turn your eyes to the Lord.

Pam:

And if that looks like you have the capacity, and you have the ability

Pam:

in this season to spend 30 minutes journaling, then then do that.

Pam:

Or maybe you have that ability at in the evenings, whatever it is, whatever that

Pam:

looks like in your morning routine, your evening routine of just turning your

Pam:

eyes to the Lord and being intentional.

Pam:

Because again, we could give you this app, we can tell you these

Pam:

things, and it can just become a, formulaic like ritual, right?

Pam:

Of like, okay, I listen to the app.

Pam:

Awesome.

Pam:

check that off.

Pam:

And I think a good example would be I'm, I'm definitely, and when my mom is too

Pam:

we're much more type A, da da da, da, da.

Pam:

Just always going, I know mom, in your later years, you're a little more chill.

Pam:

You're chilling out a bit.

Pam:

I'm sure my family looks forward to when that happens to me.

Pam:

They're like, chill out.

Pam:

just tone it down.

Pam:

So, , just going, going, going, and so my husband's like, Hey,

Pam:

let's hang out or do lunch.

Pam:

And I'm like, okay.

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

Okay.

Pam:

And we're,

Pam:

I can fit you Yes.

Pam:

Yes.

Pam:

And so, we'll, we'll even be eating lunch.

Pam:

And I'm like, okay, I'm doing it.

Pam:

I'm eating lunch.

Pam:

He asked me to do it, and he's just looks at me and I can tell he is super

Pam:

irritated, And I'm like, what's up?

Pam:

I ate lunch with you, I'm having lunch with you.

Pam:

this is what you wanted.

Pam:

He's like, you're not here.

Pam:

You know?

Pam:

Yeah.

Pam:

And he's like, you're not here at all.

Pam:

You're just thinking about work, doing other stuff.

Pam:

Just, spouting off all of your things that you're thinking

Pam:

about or worried about.

Pam:

And I'm like, but I'm having lunch with you.

Pam:

And he's like, okay, well I don't even wanna have lunch with

Pam:

you if you're gonna do this,

Pam:

anyway.

Pam:

So I think we can all relate to that of no matter what it is, A kid or a spouse

Pam:

or anybody that we're just like, I'm here.

Pam:

I'm doing it.

Pam:

I'm checking the box.

Pam:

But we're not really there.

Pam:

We're not really connecting.

Pam:

And again, no shame if you're just I'm trying to connect, then just start there.

Pam:

Sometimes so many times, I'll just be.

Pam:

So in it with whatever, and I'm like, okay, Lord, I wanna turn my ice to right

Pam:

now, but Lord, you know my heart, you know, I'm in a million different places.

Pam:

Help me to lay down my distractions.

Pam:

And the Pause app really does help with that.

Pam:

Worship music helps with that.

Pam:

just kind of realigning that, obviously the word journaling, all those things,

Pam:

and we'll talk about some of those things.

Pam:

But yeah, I feel like the Pause app is such a, is such a great resource for that.

Mary:

Yes.

Mary:

Yes.

Mary:

And amen.

Mary:

Hey, I'm gonna throw out just a tiny little thing.

Mary:

I know, I know we're coming to an end here and but I just wanted to say I,

Mary:

I think just one little tiny thing.

Mary:

This is just, just a tiny thing, but when, when it is, it's so tiny.

Mary:

Cuz I said it several times, right?

Pam:

yes.

Mary:

how tiny is it?

Mary:

So I was just gonna.

Mary:

Besides turning off your phone, like the ringers and the buzzers and

Mary:

all the sounds you get I would say again, that's not super intentional,

Mary:

just to leave those on all the time.

Mary:

Maybe just turn it off, you

Pam:

That's a good

Mary:

And, and another thing is Of, of course, the thing I see

Mary:

people do is, , if the phone rings, they, they feel this compulsion

Mary:

to answer it for various reasons.

Mary:

And, one thing I was reading some things about tech and, and

Mary:

I thought this was a great idea to just literally take a breath.

Mary:

Like you won't answer it until you've had a one full breath to breathe in

Mary:

and breathe out and let your heart.

Mary:

Just something about today when the phone rings,

Pam:

it's

Mary:

kind of you're thinking, well, I do.

Mary:

I feel like, well, if you're calling me and you don't have an appointment,

Mary:

you shouldn't be calling me.

Mary:

That's terrible.

Mary:

I

Mary:

know,

Pam:

Well, I think more text messages, even

Mary:

So the text message I was gonna say, and yes.

Mary:

Just with those text messages, literally just glance at the clock or look up and

Mary:

not at your phone to see who it was.

Mary:

But literally just let it be three minutes.

Mary:

Just wait.

Mary:

And I mean, you can become so mindful, like somebody's

Mary:

saying thumb something to you.

Mary:

God, help me to respond to this and wisdom.

Mary:

or maybe it just becomes, every text you get, you pause for one minute.

Mary:

If that's, if you get so many texts, because you're just gonna take that

Mary:

one minute to just think about God and reflect on what he said today.

Mary:

Those are like, they're just like little alarms.

Mary:

That you can build into your day to just say that one lyric back

Mary:

to God, or that one Bible verse.

Mary:

So think of the minutes that you might accumulate, just pausing one minute.

Mary:

before you read your text.

Mary:

So again, pausing, pausing, pausing.

Mary:

I'm gonna read one quote about beauty.

Mary:

I have so many, But here's one that I really liked.

Mary:

It is not sufficient to see and to know the beauty of a work.

Mary:

we must feel and be affected by it.

Mary:

. It doesn't matter how beautiful

Mary:

If we're not engaging, if we're not eating and drinking and we're not being

Mary:

affected by it, it's just a statue

Pam:

statue.

Pam:

Yes.

Mary:

Right?

Mary:

So this idea of beauty, the beauty of God is something that wants to flow

Mary:

through us and be in us and captivate our

Pam:

Okay.

Pam:

Can you say that one more time?

Pam:

Just one more time?

Mary:

It is not sufficient to see and to know the beauty of a work.

Mary:

It's not enough is what it's saying.

Mary:

It's not sufficient to see and to know the beauty of a work

Mary:

we must feel and be affected

Pam:

by it.

Pam:

Yes.

Pam:

That is so good.

Pam:

That is so

Mary:

one.

Mary:

Yes.

Mary:

Yes.

Mary:

I'm done.

Mary:

It's your turn.

Pam:

You've said all there is to say yes.

Mary:

No, I know.

Mary:

That's

Pam:

That's never true.

Pam:

That is never true.

Pam:

I think, I think that was so good.

Pam:

I feel like anybody listening really is at least able to.

Pam:

give some definition to what we were trying to convey with the beauty

Pam:

of pausing and hopefully has some strategy with going forward, but really

Pam:

it's just connecting with the Lord, just taking that time throughout the

Pam:

day and whatever that looks like.

Pam:

And yeah, we'll provide some resources below, but whatever you

Pam:

can do to make that happen will be.

Pam:

We will be worth it.

Pam:

We'll be

Pam:

life giving for you and for your family.

Pam:

It really will be.

Pam:

So Thank you again.

Pam:

So, so, so much for listening and we will see you next week.

Pam:

Bye

Mary:

Bye.

Mary:

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Mary:

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Mary:

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Mary:

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