Discover the secrets to getting that 'YES' faster than ever! Join Dennis Collins on Connect & Convert as he unravels the mysteries of persuasion and influence. Learn how your brain's System 1 and powerful principles like social proof and unity can make a world of difference in your personal and professional life. Tune in now for quick insights that lead to quicker YESes!
Hi again, it's Dennis Collins with another session of Connect & Convert.
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Speaker:Today's episode, how do you get to yes faster than ever?
Speaker:If you're in sales, hey, even if you're not in sales, let's
Speaker:say you're a leader, a parent.
Speaker:Whatever.
Speaker:How do you get that?
Speaker:Yes, faster than ever.
Speaker:Aren't we all kind of interested in that?
Speaker:It's all about persuasion.
Speaker:How important is persuasion in your day to day life?
Speaker:If you're in sales, obviously, it's very important.
Speaker:If you're a leader, very important.
Speaker:A couple questions to start off today's session.
Speaker:Do you know how to move people in your direction?
Speaker:That sounds like a weird question, doesn't it?
Speaker:But isn't that what it's all about?
Speaker:How do you get people moving in your direction?
Speaker:How do you change behavior?
Speaker:I don't, that's a hard one, isn't it?
Speaker:Is it possible to change someone's behavior?
Speaker:Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker:Here's what I've figured out over all these decades that I've
Speaker:been trying to figure this out.
Speaker:This is very clear to me now.
Speaker:If you don't know how people decide to become part of your plan, you
Speaker:are destined to become part of their plan, especially if you're in sales.
Speaker:So the goal of this episode, let's explore some ways to get to yes
Speaker:faster than ever, understanding how our brains work, how people decide
Speaker:that's the key skill to improving.
Speaker:Persuasion So I want to start with a with an experiment that was done.
Speaker:I believe it was Stanford out in Palo Alto and out in California.
Speaker:Uh, they did a A study on which message would be the
Speaker:most persuasive in influencing people to conserve more energy.
Speaker:Okay, so they came up with four messages.
Speaker:Number one message Conserving energy helps the environment.
Speaker:The number two message conserving energy helps future generations.
Speaker:The number three message Conserving energy saves money, and number four, your
Speaker:neighbors are already conserving energy.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:Four very different messages, and subjects in the experiment were asked to rate
Speaker:the persuasiveness of each message.
Speaker:Which message would they choose to be the most persuasive in improving
Speaker:the conservation of energy?
Speaker:Well, the survey says...
Speaker:Almost all of the participants chose environmental protection, the
Speaker:environmental protection message by far two to one over every other message
Speaker:benefit to society was a number two, a way below number one saving money was a
Speaker:little bit below benefit to society and the one about your neighbors are already
Speaker:conserving energy that was dead last.
Speaker:Number four.
Speaker:That's what was chosen in the survey in the experiment.
Speaker:And now what about real behavior?
Speaker:When the scientists went in to test those four messages in real life
Speaker:experiments, what do you think they found?
Speaker:Did you, would you say environmental protection as it was from the survey
Speaker:respondents would be number one?
Speaker:Is that what you thought?
Speaker:Maybe saving money, benefit to society?
Speaker:Uh, wrong.
Speaker:Number one motivating message to get people to conserve
Speaker:more energy and actual tests.
Speaker:Your neighbors are already conserving energy by a long shot.
Speaker:No other message of the other three even came close.
Speaker:Your neighbors are already conserving energy.
Speaker:So what does that tell us?
Speaker:First of all, people we typically don't know what's influencing our behavior.
Speaker:We're not.
Speaker:It's not at the level of awareness.
Speaker:Also, we don't always act in line with our values.
Speaker:We may state a value, but when we go out and actually check real behavior,
Speaker:it's not in accordance with our beliefs.
Speaker:And maybe the bitterest pill of all, when we ask people, Hey, what do you want?
Speaker:What do you want in a new HVAC system?
Speaker:What do you want in a new car?
Speaker:We don't know what we want.
Speaker:We can't answer that question.
Speaker:We typically don't know what influenced behavior.
Speaker:We don't always act in line with our values, and we really
Speaker:don't know what we want.
Speaker:So we delve a little bit into the brain.
Speaker:I said we're going to talk about understanding the brain.
Speaker:One of the gentlemen who's helped me understand the brain better than anyone
Speaker:else is Professor Daniel Kahneman.
Speaker:If you've done any study at all in persuasion and influence,
Speaker:you've heard of Kahneman.
Speaker:He's a Nobel Prize winner.
Speaker:And here's a quote of his that I really like that kind of sums up what he thinks.
Speaker:It feels like we believe in something because we have arguments for it.
Speaker:But it actually works the opposite way.
Speaker:First we believe, then we create the supporting arguments.
Speaker:It's fundamental.
Speaker:It kind of says it all about Kahneman.
Speaker:He kind of was the first, at least the first that I read about, that talks about
Speaker:the two systems we have in our brain.
Speaker:System 1 and System 2.
Speaker:System 1 is our fast brain.
Speaker:Unconscious, automatic, everyday decisions.
Speaker:Error prone.
Speaker:That's the brain that keeps us moving every day.
Speaker:We get up, we brush our teeth, we eat breakfast, we drive our car.
Speaker:That's almost an automatic pilot.
Speaker:We don't think about that.
Speaker:We don't have to do any deep thought about that.
Speaker:That's system one.
Speaker:The fast, unconscious, automatic part of our brain.
Speaker:System two, of course, is the slow brain, the conscious brain, the
Speaker:effortful brain, the complex brain, complex decisions, options, reliability.
Speaker:It's a very reliable part of our brain, much more reliable than system one.
Speaker:So, understanding that the brain has two systems, system one and system
Speaker:two, is fundamental to understanding how to get to yes faster than ever.
Speaker:Okay, what else did Kahneman tell us?
Speaker:Pay attention, Professor Kahneman says system one runs the show.
Speaker:Okay, the fast, automatic, unconscious Everyday decision brain runs the
Speaker:show attempts to use system to the rational brain usually fall flat.
Speaker:That's why when we're training with salespeople, we talk about no, we
Speaker:don't talk about features and benefits.
Speaker:We don't talk about that anymore.
Speaker:We talk about feeling the emotion, the emotional response that you're going
Speaker:to have when you meet your needs.
Speaker:That's system one.
Speaker:It's fast.
Speaker:Behavioral scientists now say 95.
Speaker:That's correct.
Speaker:95 percent of all of our behavior is determined by System 1.
Speaker:So if you're going to appeal, To the way the brain actually works, not
Speaker:the way you might like it to work, we've got to appeal to system one.
Speaker:So I come to a word, you've probably heard this word if you've done any study in
Speaker:sales and marketing called satisficing.
Speaker:Satisficing.
Speaker:What is satisficing?
Speaker:Satisficing is a product of information overload.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:So how much information do we have available to us at any moment?
Speaker:Well, our little...
Speaker:Phones have more computing power than some of the most
Speaker:sophisticated computers of years ago.
Speaker:We have unlimited amounts of information that were never ever available
Speaker:before, but let's make it real.
Speaker:Um, my wife actually talked me into going to the supermarket the other day.
Speaker:I try to avoid supermarkets, but hey, as a favor to her, I said, I got it.
Speaker:I'll take care of this.
Speaker:And we wanted to get some peanut butter.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Very simple thing.
Speaker:I mean, I love peanut butter.
Speaker:She likes peanut butter.
Speaker:I'm supposed to buy some peanut butter.
Speaker:When I approach the peanut butter aisle, if you will, in the supermarket, I
Speaker:was confronted with possibly hundreds, hundreds of jars of peanut butter,
Speaker:hundreds, huge display of peanut butter.
Speaker:I never knew.
Speaker:Actually, I did a little homework on this.
Speaker:Do you know that there are 87 different peanut butter products in the USA today?
Speaker:87.
Speaker:I think all 87 were on those shelves.
Speaker:Maybe more.
Speaker:So how can I ever decide what peanut butter I'm going to buy?
Speaker:What am I going to do?
Speaker:Bring my iPhone and research every, okay, here's one.
Speaker:What's this?
Speaker:Heavens no.
Speaker:Heavens no.
Speaker:Heuristics.
Speaker:Shortcuts.
Speaker:Heuristics.
Speaker:Satisfying.
Speaker:It's good enough.
Speaker:Social proof.
Speaker:What are other people doing?
Speaker:So what did I buy?
Speaker:What do you think I bought?
Speaker:Of all the 87 different manufacturers, what do you think I bought?
Speaker:I let social proof help me here.
Speaker:What do most people do?
Speaker:Most people buy a brand called Jif.
Speaker:J I F.
Speaker:Jif.
Speaker:Okay?
Speaker:Now, Jif, at this particular supermarket, was on the bottom shelf.
Speaker:That's another thing, isn't it, where the placement of the products
Speaker:in the supermarket are critical.
Speaker:This, literally, I had to bend over and go to the bottom of the shelf to get the Jif.
Speaker:But the Jif stood out to me because of heuristics.
Speaker:Shortcuts.
Speaker:Branding.
Speaker:Satisfying.
Speaker:It's good enough.
Speaker:So when a consumer is confronted with that wide array of products and services, all
Speaker:of which could meet their needs, I'm sure any of those peanut butters would be okay.
Speaker:We often choose good enough rather than spend extra time, extra
Speaker:effort, extra money to make the absolute best possible choice.
Speaker:We settle for good enough instead of seeking the best option.
Speaker:The behavior is the result of System 1.
Speaker:That's all System 1 working, okay?
Speaker:Prioritizing speed and ease over secure over accuracy and effort.
Speaker:Another supermarket experiment.
Speaker:Have you seen those little stickers?
Speaker:That say everyday low price that are sprinkled all throughout the
Speaker:supermarket, they put those little stickers on their everyday low price.
Speaker:It's not a sale.
Speaker:It says everyday low price.
Speaker:It's everyday low price.
Speaker:Okay, on certain products, the particular market that did this
Speaker:experiment posted them randomly on random items in the store for 24 hours.
Speaker:And at the end of 24 hours, they take those down and randomly choose
Speaker:another group of products, randomly.
Speaker:And the next day, they would take those down and randomly choose
Speaker:another array of random products to get those little stickers.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Every day, low price.
Speaker:What do you think happened to sales?
Speaker:I think we'd all like to say, Oh, come on.
Speaker:We know that's a bunch of baloney, right?
Speaker:Every day, low price.
Speaker:That's a gimmick.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, maybe it is, but guess what?
Speaker:In almost every case.
Speaker:Sales doubled randomly selected products.
Speaker:No particular reason for the product.
Speaker:Sales doubled because of a little sticker.
Speaker:Another quick example.
Speaker:Say you're this was a an example of an executive.
Speaker:Large company was looking for a tech developer.
Speaker:He needed to develop a new app.
Speaker:He had dozens of candidates.
Speaker:A lot of them were very qualified.
Speaker:They checked all the boxes.
Speaker:All the boxes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:He didn't have the time.
Speaker:Nor the desire or the the resources to do a deep dive on all those candidates.
Speaker:So what did he do?
Speaker:He makes his decision based on just enough information, just enough
Speaker:to be satisfied, satisficing.
Speaker:It's in every part of our lives, our personal lives and our business lives.
Speaker:So if that's the case, how do we trigger system one?
Speaker:If we want to get to yes, faster than ever, how do we trigger system one?
Speaker:How can we account for the option four message, your neighbors
Speaker:are already conserving energy?
Speaker:That was the one by far that motivated the most energy conservation.
Speaker:What is it that triggered that?
Speaker:Well, there are two principles of influence.
Speaker:Social proof and unity come into play.
Speaker:We look to other people like us, people who are like us, okay,
Speaker:to find out what we should do.
Speaker:And we also look to people in our group unity from our neighborhood, our
Speaker:church, our school, our club, our sports team, our family, our close friends.
Speaker:So we had two very strong principles of influence in effect here that
Speaker:had number four come out as the motivator, the influencer of behavior,
Speaker:social proof people like, Oh, geez, people like me are doing this.
Speaker:My neighbors and neighborhood.
Speaker:Oh, I belong to that group.
Speaker:I have to support.
Speaker:What that group does.
Speaker:Perfect example of satisficing heuristics and the Cialdini Principles activating
Speaker:behavior getting to a quick yes.
Speaker:Well, that's a lot.
Speaker:We've got a lot more in future episodes.
Speaker:I hope you'll continue to tune in to Connect & Convert.
Speaker:If you understand how people decide to become part of your plan, you can
Speaker:move more people in your direction.
Speaker:If you don't know how people decide to become part of your plan, you will
Speaker:likely become part of their plan.
Speaker:System 1 is in control 95 percent of the time.
Speaker:If you want to get to Yes faster than ever, appeal to System 1 and
Speaker:you will get Yes faster than ever.
Speaker:Hey, it's Dennis Collins signing off of this version of Connect & Convert.
Speaker:We'll see you again soon with another episode.