What if the thing you’ve been taught to ignore is actually the thing guiding you?

In this episode, I talked with Julia Carmen, a curandera, spiritual healer, and founder of the School Without Walls. Julia has spent her life walking between the physical and non-physical worlds. Seeing, sensing, listening. Not as a party trick, but as a way of being.

Julia talks about presence, self-worth, grief, choice, and the courage it takes to listen to your soul in a very loud world.

Walking Between Worlds

Julia was born into a lineage of healers. Seeing spirits, hearing guides, sensing the unseen wasn’t something she learned. It was always there.

“I don’t know what it feels like not to see things.”

But walking in both the spiritual and physical worlds came with real challenges. Confusion. Fear. Being misunderstood. Learning how to stay grounded while holding what most people can’t see.

Actionable Insight:

You don’t need to escape the human experience to be spiritual. Take a moment that is especially chaotic and ground yourself.

Bonus:

Today, pause once. Put your feet on the floor and notice where you are.

The Container of Unconditional Love

At the heart of Julia’s work is one idea: the container of unconditional love.

Just hold space for yourself and for others.

This is the foundation of the School Without Walls, where learning happens through relationship, soul care, and deep listening rather than rigid systems.

Actionable Insight:

Growth requires a container. Ask yourself where you feel safe enough to tell the truth.

Bonus:

Identify one relationship or space where you can show up without performing.

Intuition vs. the Soul Self

One of my favorite moments in this conversation is when Julia separates intuition from the soul self.

Intuition, she says, is human.

The soul self is eternal.

Your brain matters. Logic matters. But so does the quiet voice underneath all of it.

“Shhh. Be still. Get quiet.”

That’s where clarity lives.

Actionable Insight:

Stop asking for louder signs. Start listening more carefully.

Bonus:

Before making one decision this week, sit in silence for two minutes.

Self-Worth, Creativity, and Value

Toward the end of the conversation, Julia drops something creatives especially need to hear.

Your work has value.

Your presence has value.

You don’t need to give yourself away to be worthy.

Self-worth is quiet. Steady. Rooted.

Actionable Insight:

Stop underpricing your energy, time, or creativity.

Bonus:

Ask yourself where you’re overgiving to earn belonging.

Key Takeaways

1. Being present is a spiritual practice
2. You can walk both worlds and still be human
3. Healing requires unconditional love
4. Intuition is human, the soul self is eternal
5. Grief can deepen, not derail, your growth
6. Self-worth is something you practice daily
7. Your creative work deserves respect and care

Closing Reflection

Julia didn’t set out to build a brand. She chose herself over and over again.

If you’re a creative or writer who knows there’s more in you, but you’ve been second-guessing your voice, your value, or whether your work even “fits” anywhere… you’re not broken. You just need the right container.

That’s where I come in.

I help authors and creatives get clear on their message, build visibility in a way that actually feels like them, and turn their work into something sustainable.

If you’re ready to stop circling the same questions and start moving with intention, let’s talk. You can book a free, low-pressure clarity call at The Standout Creatives.

Well, actually, I am working on that.

The book the Indigenous Soul, I came up with that.

Like, before indigenous came the word.

The word.

It's kind of like a buzzword now.

But the indigenous soul, it's Mihoy came.

I was at a class, the Mac class, and we were just talking and talking to people kind of the same thing.

And then this is.

Why can't we just all, like, love each other?

Why can't we recreate this in the world as unconditional love?

And why does everybody has to separate themselves?

And I said, well, we need to understand that we have an indigenous soul.

And I just kept going.

And the gal goes, oh, my gosh.

That's the name of your book, Julia.

Because indigenous soul means we're all one.

Because we all come from the same.

In the non physical realm.

We're all one.

Yeah.

And so that's stuck.

That's my legacy.

Welcome to the Standout Creatives, where making money and creating meaningful work go hand in hand.

You're already passionate about what you create.

Now let's turn that passion into a standout business marketing.

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Let's get started.

Welcome to another episode of the Standout Creatives.

And today I'm Julia Carman.

Julia, I used to do introductions for people, but today I am allowing you to introduce yourself.

So can you tell us a little bit about yourself and some of the work that you do?

Okay.

Well, thank you, Kevin, for having me on the show.

I really appreciate it.

It's been a while since I've been on a show anyway, so.

Yo se Julia Carmen, Soy curandera de las curanderas.

And if you want to just put it into English, it's seer of the seers.

Yeah.

So I come from a long line of curanderas, from my maternal side, my mother, my grandmother, and so on.

And they had their own way of being.

My mother was the curandera del cuervo.

She did a lot of massage.

My grandmother, Alejandra was the herbs.

Curandera de los.

Yeah, I'm the curandera de la arma, which means that when folks come to the School without walls, which happens to be my school, School without walls, wherever I go, you know, so there's no walls yet.

Basically, they come.

If they come for Whatever.

A retreat or individual or the Mac class, which is called the Mac class for master Alma class, not a Mac computer.

Uh, and they come to.

I have the.

I have the ability to see someone's soul self of being from the beginning of time to the end of time.

Yeah.

So, you know, as humans, we have a lot of data coming in.

Right.

And our soul self has all the info.

And how do you discern all what that's all about?

So that's what I do.

And the school without walls, basically the, the line underneath that is walking in both worlds at the same time without.

And staying sane.

Yeah.

So everyone, how many folks do we have here on this planet?

8, 9 billion or whatever, depending on where you walk it.

And you said you're in Costa Rica or.

No, Puerto Rico.

Where are you, mijo?

Costa Rica.

Costa Rica.

Okay.

In a lot of places like that, you know, walking both worlds at the same time in general is not a big deal.

It's like, oh yeah, the tree.

I'm connected to that tree.

Not a big deal.

Right.

In the over culture here in the US that's kind of not the way it is.

But everybody's walking both worlds at the same time.

The physical and the non physical, they get to kind of talk story, do a little Cheeseman with each other and find out, know how to be with each other.

Yeah.

So that's kind of in a nutshell and then I'll just hand it over to you, Miho.

Yeah, that's.

That's beautiful.

Oftentimes we're, we're just so worried about the physical that we forget that the universe is infinite and expansive and it's ever changing.

So I, I think it's great to not only take into account what we're experiencing in the moment, but everything that's happened in the past and everything that will happen in the future.

But if we worry about that all the time, we'll, we'll never get anything done, right?

No, not ever.

Can you talk a little bit about your, your family background and how they all realized if, if they went when and if they did realize the gifts that they have and how, how you navigate that?

Well, that's a, that's a pretty good question.

I don't think anybody's ever asked me that question.

That's something, huh?

I mean, I usually share that information, but folks don't say like, boom.

Well, actually I come from my parents.

I came from a family of 12, and my mother and my grandmother really didn't like overtly say who they be because when the, you know, when colonization came, because they're from Mexico.

Right.

It was not okay to be a curander, or if you want to say bruja, you know, it wasn't okay to walk both worlds at the same time.

Overtly.

Right.

So they went in hiding.

And so my mother and my grandmother, especially my mother tried to, like, innocently shut it down for myself because.

Because she was concerned.

I was pretty much the only one that said, oh, I see things.

I don't.

Check this out, Kevin.

I don't know what it feels like not to see things.

What I mean, see things, Angels, guides, everything talking to me.

The trees, the bugs, you name it.

Dogs, cats, would just visit with me.

And I kind of knew things before everybody else did.

And my mom would just kind of go, you can't do that.

The devil's going to get you.

And I'm going, oh, God, who's the devil?

It's kind of freaked me out, actually.

Actually, I don't think I ever recall, folks, to be honest.

I used to have night terrors because she had me so convinced that what I was seeing was demonic.

Yeah.

This is when I was little.

And so I would just wake up screaming, like, oh, my gosh.

And it wasn't until later years where my angels and guides said, no, no, she's.

She's just afraid for you.

Because her and her mother and, you know, boom.

You know, how many hundreds of years they were told that it, you know, you're gonna.

We're gonna kill you, basically.

You know, we're gonna burn you, whatever they did there in Mexico.

So it took me a long time to kind of go, oh, okay, I'm safe.

Yeah.

So they weren't supportive in a positive way, but they were supportive.

Supportive in.

And it's not now that I'm at the other end of it.

They were supportive in what to watch out for.

Yeah.

And so I kind of leaned into being a little fearful through the years as I was growing up.

And the rest of my siblings didn't even touch it.

They.

They just looked at me when I'm talking.

I was young, you know, like teenager, little girl, teenager.

After I got married and stuff, they would just kind of go, oh, Jewel's crazy.

You know, she's just crazy.

That kind of.

Because they didn't, you know, who would want to admit they're seeing things?

I did have a time with one of my sisters at the same time.

We were under five and we were screaming because of my thinking, her thinking.

We saw the same thing.

And Then our parents came in, and my.

Our father said, hey, what.

What's going on?

And I said, there's this thing over there.

It was an old woman, and she was still there behind my father and our father.

And I told my sister, tell him.

She goes, no, I don't see anything.

And I go, what?

So from that point on, her father said I was crazy.

Then I asked my sister, why didn't you tell him that you saw what I saw?

And she says, because he would call me crazy, just like he called you crazy.

Do you see how that.

Yeah.

So I. I don't.

Yeah, they don't.

And then I married, had children, and all of them have abilities, but all of them pretty much said no to it, except my daughter.

I have four sons and a daughter I raised.

They're all grown up now, except my daughter.

She has visions in her dreams.

And then she'll come and share that piece with I.

And then I'll give her the info.

But my grandchildren are loaded, which is really funny.

Yeah, I get part of their.

What I wasn't able to.

To have.

I was.

I have been able to be part of their.

You know, I'm Gigi.

You know, Gigi knows what to do.

Gigi, you know, Gigi, I had this dream, or, Gigi, I saw this, or I'm struggling with this.

My whole place is medicine bag.

They come over and I just pull things out of.

I don't know, they'll go, I have this illness or that illness, or I'm having a bad relationship or something.

And I go, okay, let me see what I have, and I'll pull it together and tell them what to.

You know, I give them suggestions, and they go, oh, wow, it really worked.

I said, yeah, of course it's going to work.

So that's in a nutshell.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

It's just.

It reminds you of the.

Like you said, you can go all the way back into the past from all your lives and just see.

And I think this was heavily ingrained in cultures before the major religions came into being.

Right.

So once structured, big religions came in.

I think many cultures lost their ability to speak with the past and recognize patterns without, you know, hearing stories.

It's just through nature that you're.

You're feeling these things.

Yeah, exactly.

Do you remember the first time that you had one of these visions?

Or was it as early as being born?

Or is it like somewhere when you were very young?

Or.

How has that come.

Kevin, you're asking a lot of great questions now.

I'M thinking, do people.

I mean like when I'm on other podcast or when I'm teaching, people do ask kinder when I'm teaching actually people ask me these questions.

So this is cool actually.

I. I know from my beginning of time till my end of time, I. I don't necessarily like pass lies.

I just know that we existed.

There's not ever a time that we have not existed in the non physical form.

So I remember my birth.

I remember moving into the human realm, not thinking anything was off.

Let me just put it that way.

It just seemed very natural.

So when I was born I saw my peeps.

I said, oh, okay, I'm going to do this.

And they were like.

I use peeps as a generic thing because as soon as I say angels, ancestors, my dog, that's peg passed on, you know, those kind people will.

Right away the human brain will try to make sense out of it.

So when I usually talk I say my non physical peeps which could be anyone.

You know, most of the time it's just folks because I see people like I see you.

The non physical people.

I just see them like I see you.

I don't.

There is no difference visually in the human realm, but there is a sound, a frequency of being.

So I can tell when it's a non physical person by the sound they make.

Yeah.

And the vibration.

So when I was born, I remember, I remember being in the womb.

I remember being born, I remember everything, you know, so it's, it's quite so that question is like I do have a son, my fourth son, Luca, who is very like he saw but I thought he was like I.

And when he was about, I'd say preteen, that's when he started seeing things and it freaked him out.

And this is when you're too close to something.

And for years he had mental health issues and I was freaking out.

I thought what did I do to my kid?

He has these abilities and he's like tomorrow freak out, right?

So I took them to everybody that I could think of in, in the healing modalities, you know, like western medicine and folks that I mother colleagues and stuff.

And.

And then one day he and I were just sitting talking story.

We were just like.

And I said, babe, he asked me when was the first time you saw, you know, your angel or your guide or people?

I said, what?

I mean, I swear Kevin, I just looked at him like what?

And he goes, yeah.

And I go.

And then I shared exactly what I just shared with you.

Yeah.

And I go oh, my gosh, babe, when did you.

I said, I've been trying to tell you this, mom, that I. I saw it at this age and it freaked me out, but you wouldn't hear me.

Isn't that something?

And I lost it.

I started crying.

I thought, I'm so sorry.

I said, I can't even believe what it would.

That would be like to all of a sudden feel this normal human thing and then start seeing things out of the blue.

So it was like a door opened for him at a certain age, and he had and still does have a lot of mental health issues because of it.

So it doesn't always go here.

I'm his mother.

I took him to all the healers that I knew and again, took him to his pediatrician because he was under 18.

Yeah.

And his pediatrician said he does not have any.

He actually took him to a psychiatrist.

And they all said he didn't have any kind of.

You know, I figured if he has to go on meds, I wasn't against it.

I just wanted help for my son.

And they all pretty much said, he passed, he's fine.

And I was like, okay.

Yeah.

But he still has issues.

Yeah.

Because it's difficult walking those both worlds at the same time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I'm just kind of interesting because.

I was just going to say that it's interesting because you don't know the lived experience of anybody else.

Right.

So even though you have this gift that's been given to you since you were born, that doesn't mean that you necessarily can help people discover it within their own journeys.

Right.

Because you don't know what he's actually experiencing because you're not in his head.

You can only tell him through your own experience and help him through your own.

And if.

If it's something completely different from yours, like yours was birth, his was when he was very young.

You can't really make that distinction because it.

It doesn't sound like the same thing that you have.

Yeah, well, I thought.

No, when.

When clients or students come to.

I. I definitely don't assume that.

I never really did.

But because he was my son and my mother, I was like my mother.

I was like my grandmother.

Because they saw from birth.

Right.

Or prior to birth, however your human belief system is.

I just assume he did, too.

And that was an assumption that I. I don't take.

I.

Nobody that stands in front of me, I don't.

I don't, like, assume anything anymore.

Yeah, neither did I prior to his experience.

I just thought he was like me.

That's all.

You know?

And so then.

Yeah, that.

Yeah, it was like.

That took me a long time.

It was very humbling.

Yeah.

Not that I thought I was all that.

I just thought, you know, because.

Because when it's our own.

Our own.

Do you have children, Kevin?

I do not.

Okay.

I mean, you have a.

That was a personal question.

When you have a lot of skin in the game, I'll call it the octopi in the face.

You know, it's kind of difficult to see that, which is.

Yeah.

And then the more you try to pull.

Now, I always wondered what it.

If anybody ever put an octopi on their face and try to pull it off, and someone did, and I thought it would be.

No offense, Kevin.

I thought it would be a guy, because I raised four sons, and those are kind of the things they would do.

No, it was a woman that did it.

And it was on YouTube, and she's pulling it, and the damp.

She's screaming, and somebody says, just relax.

And as soon as she relaxed, that thought sucker just went slithering down her.

Yeah.

So I call it the Octopus.

Yeah.

So you.

It's a.

A soul listening.

I. I wrote this thing about soul listening.

It's on my website.

And it's about listening to your soul self of being.

Not to ditch your brain.

Your brain's amazing.

But to really be still, get quiet, and then.

Yeah.

And I don't think we could do that as long as we're in human form.

Yeah.

We need to, like, not shush ourselves, but gently.

Okay, let's get quiet here.

And that's when you can hear your soul self of being.

It's talking to you 24.

7.

We're busy.

We're busy people.

I think just the modern world, especially, there's so many distractions that I think we.

We all want to feel like we're.

We're busy all the time, and therefore, we don't give ourselves the space to really figure things out the way that people did before the invention of most modern media and stuff like that.

So I think if we can learn from our past selves.

Right.

Your specialty, we can really tap into what it is that it's trying to tell us versus, you know, figuring out what it is I need to be doing at this exact second.

How do I fill my time?

How do I not be bored?

Yeah.

Yeah.

In my younger days, I was really super busy, so I. I never.

I know.

For.

For myself, I wasn't bored because I was.

I. I had my first human little human at 17.

Yeah, so.

And my last son at 33.

So raising kids most of my life and not bored.

But the thing that a lot of humans do is, oh, when the baby stops crying at night or when the baby gets potty trained or, you know, when the baby turns this or when the, you know, that kind of stuff, I think is what I notice that a lot of folks that come to the school without wall set will go, well, if I.

Once I get this job, Julia, or once, you know, I can take care of.

Blah, blah, and I go, no, no, no, stay present.

That's what the getting quiet is, being still.

Hear that still small voice, which is your soul self will give you the info that you need for the moment.

Because future's not here.

It's, you know, it's in this moment, which is challenge for a lot of us humans.

Yeah.

I think we're either always worried about the past or the future that we forget just to figure out what is that I can be doing right now to be the best version of me.

And that doesn't mean you have to be productive or doing something.

It's just, what do I need at this very moment?

And if we're always looking to the future, we're always moving the goalposts.

So even when you hit the thing that you thought was going to be the thing that made you who you wanted it to be, you're.

You're just going to move it further ahead.

Right.

So I think we can only really worry about any given moment as we're experiencing it.

Exactly.

One of the things that I share with a lot of the folks I work with is basically the knowing within.

And they go, what does that mean?

I said, well, in all actuality, when folks come hang out with me in whatever way they do, it's like, I'm not going to teach anybody anything.

Like, Kevin, if you came to me and said, hey, I would like to have what I call Alma reading or whatever, or come to one of the retreats or something, I'm not going to say, hey, Kevin, I'm going to teach all this new stuff.

And no run.

If anybody tells you that, run.

What I do is, is which seer of a seer is hanging with that person in a way that there's a remembrance.

So it'd be like the container of unconditional love is what I.

Not, not me personally, but the container of unconditional love.

That's what SWOW is all about.

That's what I call it.

Swow.

Let's go without Walls.

And in that container, when you, when you see and feel that for self, then you, as I, you know, work with you folks, work with you people, it's about your remembrance, not reminding you, but the remembrance within self.

So it's the knowing within.

And then you go, oh, that's what you're talking about, Julie.

I said, that's right on.

So it's not me teaching you something new.

New.

Yeah.

It's because.

No need.

Right.

Most of the folks that come to me, I don't even know what they do as a profession or where they want to go.

It doesn't matter to me.

What matters to me is what they bring to the table.

And I'll say, okay, you know what the work is what they bring to the table.

The word is what we put together.

You know, words, right?

You put those together and then that's where the magic is created.

Their magic, not my magic.

I have my own magic.

Then we put it together and then boom, there we go.

Yeah.

So sometimes when people come, they kind of.

They don't feel they have anything to hold on to.

And I go, well, you can just hold on to yourself.

But know this.

You're in this container of unconditional love because that's our birthright.

Nobody was born here on this planet particularly to, you know, no matter how we came in, no matter who our parents are, whatever's happened to us, there's something within us that has.

This, as you were talking about, Kevin, which is a great example, is that that's why we do move the goalpost.

Because that's part of the existence of being.

We want to come back home to self.

We want to feel that.

Yeah.

And right on the path.

Friggin affects us in the human realm.

Oh my gosh, yes, definitely.

Look what I did with my son.

That's the past.

I kind of figured.

I don't want to shut him down like my, my mother and my grandmother.

Right.

So I just encourage more of it.

And it scared the shit out of him, you know?

Do you see?

That's the path, right?

Yeah.

And then.

Yeah.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

So, yeah, totally.

Yeah.

And I got blindsided from it because I love my son deeply.

Yeah.

And that like my mom did, she loved me deeply, but made me think I was seeing demons instead of angels.

Yeah.

She wasn't trying to hurt me.

It didn't feel that in the moment.

Okay.

Let's put it that way.

I don't know who did it.

Did you tap into this because you were told from a very Young age that the demons were after you.

When did you let that idea go?

I don't know if you ever did, but when did you let it stop.

Stop you from tap into?

Well, I know what you wanted to do.

You know that.

That's a.

That's a great question.

I never really believed that they were demons, but my.

This.

We're talking about you.

You have two worlds, right?

The physical realm and then the non physical realm.

Well, my peeps would say, no, no, no, it's okay.

We got you.

No matter what was happening.

And I. I grew up in a very no bueno household.

That's the.

I left when I was barely 16.

Yeah.

I said, I'm out.

This is not even like, this is not safe.

So I left.

It wasn't just because of my mom.

There's.

So my piece kind of like said, okay, they told me, get quiet and we're going to share with you what you need to do.

Yeah.

So I never really believed those things were demons.

I was just trying to figure out now how do I be okay and see what I see?

Because I didn't have anybody in the physical realm guiding me, and I can't.

So what I did was at 21, I actually joined a organized religion.

And I won't share what that was.

Yeah, I was Catholic growing up.

And then I. I said, I need.

I need a.

What I call a container.

I need a safe place.

And for nothing on anybody, you know, religion's religion or whatever.

But I knew consciously, and my peeps pick the religion.

They said, over here, it's a great place to hide out.

And I said, okay, cool.

So I always looked at religion as a good container for like, hiding out.

So I raised my kids in that and everything.

And I even went to those that, you know, it's a patriarchal thing.

Right.

I even went to them because they heard there was this person and their congregation that could see, and they, They.

I thought they were going to scold me, you know, like, you shouldn't be doing that, and said they did the opposite.

They said, you know, you have a beautiful gift.

Just make sure, you know it's coming from, you know, a good source.

That's pretty much all they told me, you know, and.

And they said, you know, respect that part of you.

It's.

Yeah.

And then I actually did some readings for some of them, you know, like.

Yeah, yeah.

And they, they appreciate it.

They.

They didn't like, go like that.

They just said, you're here.

We're glad you're here.

Just be Careful.

And that's pretty much all they said.

Yeah.

So then when I was, like, about.

I hung out there for about 20 years, and then I.

One day I went and I kind of went, oh, I'm done.

And I walked away from it all, and it was okay.

I said, okay, that was a nice container.

But I was still doing my thing with other folks, doing readings and doing little things and stuff like that.

I opened up a Nonprofit for about 20 years, working with families and with my daughter.

And I did that because my peep said, do this, and I did.

And then I was done with that.

Continued this work that I'm doing.

Yeah.

But I had a moment there for about 10 years that I just didn't want to be part of.

From 38 to 48.

I really kind of didn't want to see things anymore because of my situation, the person I was married to and things like that.

I just said, you know, I need to, like, focus in on my family.

Yeah.

That's actually before my son.

My last son was born.

Well, yeah.

Somewhere in there.

Yeah.

He was like three or four.

When I said, I got to shut this down, I'm not.

This is not good.

And then I developed epileptic seizures for 10 years because I try to.

You can't shut the stuff down if that is what you need to be doing.

Yeah.

It was really not fun.

So I try to.

They were very polite, and my peeps, they go, okay, let's see.

She's really trying to quiet us down and shut us out.

And.

Yeah, because I wanted to focus in on my family.

I thought by focusing on them as a.

As a human.

And I became.

With.

What are the.

Back then, they used to call it a ocd, adhd, whatever.

I had all these kids.

You could walk into my house, and it didn't look like I had children because it was so perfect.

If I turned this around and you saw my office right now, you'd go, what, Now I'm a mess.

But no.

And my kids still have challenges.

My daughter goes, you.

Yeah, I'm the way I am.

Because you were so neurotic.

And I said, I'm sorry.

I know what else to say.

Yeah.

But I did try to shut it down.

That doesn't work.

Yeah.

So that's what I mean, that's what the school without walls came to be was because of that.

Not.

And that's sort of the seizures and epilepsy, but you can't shut it down or if.

If that's your path.

And I think, you know, this Kevin, you've been on this planet long enough.

If you try to do something that you're not called to do or your mission or whatever, whatever word you want to use, it'll show up in your body.

Your body will get sick or things just won't move in the way they need to move.

And there's frustration and anger and all that stuff.

And it's like.

Yeah.

And then all of a sudden you just surrender, I guess.

And then you go, oh, maybe this is where I'm supposed to be.

Yeah.

So I don't know if all that makes sense to you or not.

Yeah, that's just.

That's my movement.

That's my human movement.

I find being a human no bueno.

I do not like that.

I do not like it at all.

It's.

It's not fun.

I.

That other realm, that other non physical realm.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know, moving from this point of being into the non physical back again, not a problem.

It.

I'm not afraid of death at all because I know what's there.

I've helped a lot of folks, been honored and helped a lot of folks move do that transition.

And my mother, my brother, it's beautiful.

You know, there's so much more than the human realm.

But I'm here, Kevin, so I need to learn how to be a human.

Yeah, yeah.

Periodically, this is what I call them, I actually will look for a human therapist.

From the time I was 21, I knew from what happened in my childhood that my human thinking wasn't healthy.

So I asked my peeps, I said, what do I need to do?

And they go, you need to get a human therapist to help you be balanced.

From 21 till I'm 72 now, I periodically will look for a human therapist and my peeps tell me who to pick.

And every single time.

How did you pick me?

I said, oh, you know, I tell them who I am and then they go, that is very fascinating.

And they're always the perfect fit.

Yeah, perfect.

Like, yeah.

So shout out to all the human therapists.

How do you compare the idea of something like intuition versus listening to the peeps?

Is it similar?

Or do you think intuition is some form of this or is it something else?

Kevin, I love your question.

This is cool.

No, because I've always wanted somebody to ask me that question.

Intuition is a human condition.

It's human.

It's a visceral.

Your body kind of senses that.

Because some people will say, oh, you're really intuitive.

I said, yeah, in the human realm, once you don't have a body that's no longer there because you don't have a body.

Doesn't fire off those five senses, right?

Yeah.

The soul self of being is eternal.

It's a whole nother frequency.

Whole nother frequency.

I'm not saying people that have intuition, that's not good.

That is like the door that opens up everything.

You get it, what I call a hit.

You go yeah, yeah.

Somebody said oh you're, you're real intuitive.

I said yeah, kind of like helps you peek into this world that maybe you haven't peeked into.

You kind of know it's there.

Right?

The non physical where all those folks are that are there.

This is the cool part, Kevin.

All your peeps, your angels, guides, your ancestors, all your little pets that you've had are going to have.

They don't have any kind of physical body.

All right?

So 24 7, your ancestors are there for you like they friggin got your back.

Like they don't go away, they don't have to go shishi.

They don't have to eat, they don't have to sleep.

They're going to hang with you.

I love that part, I love that part.

And they love you unconditionally.

All they want is the best for you.

Yeah.

So your intuition will say, huh, you'll feel something physical and then you go oh.

And then when you hit that soul self stuff, that's something that's difficult to explain.

That's why a lot of the folks will go how will I feel?

I said I don't know.

I don't know.

When you friggin open up that door to the self of you, I have no idea you're going to tell me.

And they go oh.

And then they start sharing things with I.

And they go is this it?

And I go that's it.

Because I could hear their frequency and vibration.

Yeah.

I could hear how fine it's gotten.

I'm sure you've heard people say oh, you want to go into a higher vibration of being or low vibration.

I don't subscribe to that.

I never have because it doesn't work that way.

I've been with folks that I've worked with in the past where I go.

And it's a lot of folks that have been ha.

That have had a lot of trauma, just put it that way, whether it's ancestral or whatever.

And I don't think there's anything bad.

I just go wow, this is really heavy and it's thick and it's.

I feel like I'm walking in quicksand when I work with them.

So the density is really dense.

Yeah.

And I go, okay, let's lighten this up a little bit.

Yeah.

So the medium frequency of being is what I think a lot of us and healthy beings that we are.

And then when folks open up the doors of self knowing within, then the frequency gets finer and finer and finer.

I love that.

That's to the folks I love to work with because they're like, my gosh, Julie, I feel like I'm floating.

I said, right on.

I said, let's.

Let's anchor you down, though, because we don't want you floating too much.

Yeah.

And then things.

Fraking doors just start opening for whatever reason, you know, whatever they need and want, it opens up.

Yeah.

It's not about the law of attraction, because I never ascribe to that either.

Then when I saw that coming out a long time ago, I thought, no, that's.

That's not what.

You know.

No, no, that's not it.

It's about.

It's in here.

It's in here.

It's not saying I'm going to attract that.

It's in here if.

Because we could attract anything to ourselves.

Anything with a single thought.

Yeah.

But I don't think I want everything coming my way.

Yeah.

So that.

I mean, some things.

No, thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, intuition's cool.

I think it has its place, you know, like people they call.

Oh, you're so empathic.

I let that go.

Now, that's a human condition also, too.

It's your five senses.

And it has a lot to do with.

Not all of it, but it has a lot to do with your bringing and how you came in.

Some people come in just sensitive.

I did.

I came in.

Of course, I came in sensitive.

I could feel everything.

Yeah.

I had.

I had vertigo up until maybe some 73, I think.

In my 60s.

Vertigo all my life.

Yeah.

And I hired this.

And I'm tired of being dizzy.

So I found this.

This human therapist.

Her name's Allison.

And I shared with her what I needed and wanted.

And then one day she was just sharing with me because I would have a session with her and I go, you know, this stuff over here happened.

This human thing, is that normal?

She would.

She would, kind of.

Because it's like 101 human, right?

And she would go, yeah.

And I go, she goes, you really?

I said, no, I don't.

I mean, I, I, I have enough intellect in the human realm to understand things intellectually, but I've not embodied them.

And she didn't believe me.

She, she really didn't.

She just thought, but you're so smart and this and that.

I said, yeah, I'm smart up in my head, but, you know, like human, you know, like, yeah, human stuff, you know, Like I always, I thought I was insensitive or something.

And then I thought, oh, my God.

Because when you know the whole picture, right, Kevin?

Like, I know the whole picture of things.

Like, I'll give you an example, Miha.

I would go to funerals when I was growing up, even as an adult, and I could see the person that, you know, they choose, they'd be there and I would like sit, talk story with them, or, you know, like, do some little cheeseman, but not like, stand there.

I would just kind of like, you know, and I would be smiling and everybody's crying and I'm like, no.

And then I would talk to people and I would blurt things out.

You know, that's what I mean.

You know, it's kind of like people need to grieve.

Yeah.

They need to, you know, they don't want.

When my brother died 20 years ago, I was there step by step in the non physical realm, helping my sisters and because he, we loved him.

And when he died, I saw his big homecoming.

Like, it was great.

Oh, Kevin.

It was amazing.

Like, I can go on and on about, oh my gosh, all the people and my sister Hope.

I said, oh my gosh, look at this.

And I started telling her everything.

And she says, jules, Jill, stop.

I can't go there with you.

Our brother just died.

I am sad.

I need to cry.

You could tell me this later.

And I'm, and I'm sitting there going, why is everybody crying?

That's what I'm talking about.

So I needed to, you know, respect the human part of it.

I think it's great to see.

As we age, that's what happens.

And it was like, that's right before the pandemic.

I said, how rude.

Yeah.

And I started understanding the human grieving and I don't like that.

It was very painful.

And then my sister passed within a year suddenly.

And that fucking hurt, you know, like, what the hell is this?

Right?

And my other siblings were.

They were like, oh, I envy you that you could talk to Rachel and this and that.

And I could see where they were grieving.

And if I tried to grieve, they grieving.

They didn't, you know, they, they, they kind of did what I used to do because they thought, oh, my gosh, you could see her, you could talk to her.

I said, yeah, I could see her talk to her.

Not a big, you know, but I wanted to grieve also.

Does that make sense?

You have to really balance the.

The lives of, you know, the seer versus the human side of you.

And I mean, you do just make the choice of what you want to do at any given moment because that's what's best for you in that moment.

So you could have chosen to ignore the human side of yourself, right, and just been with her in the other side.

But you chose to, you know, embrace the human side of yourself in order to do the greeting.

Well, Kevin, is it okay?

I have a little story with that one because it even surprised me.

My sister Rachel, yeah, she passed last year.

Not from COVID was a sudden death also.

Both of them.

My sister died of a heartache.

That was her baby girl, right?

When Alicia came to me, her and I were like, she was fun and, you know, like, her.

Hey, you know, we were like, totally.

I cried definitely, because it was sudden and it was very tragic.

And I was like, oh, my gosh.

Alicia's like, she was a comedian.

She is a comedian.

What are you doing?

Come on.

I can't talk to anybody else.

Nobody wants to talk to me.

And I go, okay, let me go.

So my sister dies and I.

And I. I'm overwhelmed with grief, right?

So I. I get in my car and I live by the ocean.

So I got in my car and I said, I gotta get to the ocean.

That's.

That's one of my medicines is the ocean.

So I'm driving down the road and all of a sudden, in the non physical realm, I have to.

Yeah, Alicia and my sister Rachel in the backseat, and I'm crying and I'm going.

And I could see them and I go, get out of my car.

And my sister goes, no, I want to talk to you, sis.

I said, no, get out of my car.

You need to get out of my car.

And then they go, no, we need to talk to you.

And I said, get out of my fucking car now.

I can't, I can't.

Talk to you guys.

I can't deal with this.

I'm heartbroken.

And my sister Rachel goes to Alicia.

Is she serious?

And Alicia goes.

She's pissed.

Mom, let's go.

We'll talk to her later.

So I don't.

At the time, I didn't.

You know.

Right.

So I get there, and I'm looking at the ocean, and I'm sitting there, and I'm crying my eyes.

And all of a sudden, I started laughing.

I said, shit, Jules, you just kicked Rachel and Alicia out of your car.

Everybody else would have killed to see them.

And you're like, get out of my fucking car.

What is wrong with you?

Stop crying.

And then I could hear Alicia going, can we come back?

I said, no.

You guys need to stay away for a minute.

I will talk story with you guys later.

I can't do this right now.

But do you.

And I felt in that moment that they gave me a gift.

Yeah.

Meaning, yeah, I can see them, but also, I need to grieve because my body will hold it.

And I'll get sick, because that's guaranteed.

You hold grief in.

That's my body.

My body will do the human thing.

It just will, huh?

Period.

So.

Because I've always had pain in my body.

And then I used to think, oh, well, it's just part of being.

It's an old thing.

The wounded healer.

That's.

You know.

And I said, no, I don't have to be in pain, because I see.

Yeah.

And so I said, no, I don't want to be in pain anymore.

And actually, in my 60s, that's when everything stopped.

One day I woke up, and I was no longer in physical pain because I was taking care of my body.

It wasn't just eating it, you know, I'm fine.

I'm fine.

Seizures.

Oh, I'm fine.

The neurologist says you're not fine.

Something's wrong here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Makes sense.

And in Kevin, in that all my life, everything moved.

Like, literally, the trees would move.

You know how Avatar.

I don't really know that movie.

Okay.

You see that?

What I see is beyond that.

It's.

It's so amazing and beautiful.

When I saw that, I said, oh, that's nice.

It's pretty.

But no, it's.

It's beyond that.

Okay.

So it could kind of take you off into another world.

Right.

And everything was moving.

And then one day, I was on my walk and everything stopped moving.

And I sat down and cried.

Sounds like I'm crying all the time, but for joy.

I said, oh, My gosh.

I can experience a tree.

Like, I could look at a tree and see a tree and not be in the tree, not be the tree.

You know, everybody wants to be all one.

They're all person.

You're reminding you.

I came in that way.

There was no separation from me and the tree, the bug, the bird, you know, none of it.

It was all one.

So it was basically me kind of not separating, but walking both worlds at the same time and seeing that they're both, you know, they.

They have their own movement.

I have plenty time not to be in a body.

Plenty of time.

We all will need to experience this human body and all of its.

What I say, juiciness of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's.

That's so interesting because, I mean, most everybody else in the world experiences life in a singular way where we're just in the body itself.

And there will be, like, maybe glimmers or moments of not being in the body, but for you, it's kind of the opposite because you're.

You can experience everything all at once.

It's.

I don't know if you've seen that movie, but the.

Everything everywhere, all at once.

Amazing.

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Oh, my gosh.

Somebody told me to watch that, and I waited a while to watch it.

I didn't mean to cut you off, Kevin.

And somebody goes, I didn't understand.

You know, they're all going, I didn't understand it.

So I watched it and I go, well, effing.

Yeah, I understand it.

Okay.

I don't mean to the paperweight.

You know, it was all about getting back into your body so that you could be present.

I said, look at the pain.

We put ourselves to be present.

That is crazy.

Somebody goes, you really understand?

I said, of course I understood that movie.

And then it all comes back to love.

Unconditional love of self and acceptance of self.

And then you see others.

Right?

That's pretty much it.

It was.

I think it's a great movie.

Yeah.

Speaking of that, how do you see the world as it currently is with the.

I mean, this has been throughout human history just because humans are humans.

But I think in this particular moment in time, everyone can see all the terrible things that are happening.

There's also beautiful things, obviously, but there's so many terrible things happening.

How do you balance this, you know, having all of this happen all the time?

Right.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Definitely.

Everything.

Everything all at once.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Without getting into any kind of, you know, I call it the over culture.

So, like, where you're at there's an over culture that dictates what is where you're at.

So here in the U.S. it's pretty much like Washington, D.C. they're the over culture, saying this is the way it's supposed to be kind of deal.

And every year all my students will ask.

Well, they'll have a bunch of questions.

I love questions, especially about non physical realm stuff because I have access to everything.

Kevin, like any question you could ask me, me, I know where to go get it.

I don't have the answer right off the.

But I can go, oh, yeah, I'm going to go over there and over there.

And then I get the info.

I go, oh, I didn't know about that.

Yeah.

So they'll always ask me, okay.

Especially if there's an election.

I will, I will never tell people who's going to win ever.

Even though I know because that's not my thing.

So how do, how is this going to be?

And that going to be.

And I.

And I went, oh, shit.

They go, what?

I said, well, it's going to be really crazy for a couple years.

And they said, well, does it matter who gets elected?

Who's going to get.

I said, it doesn't matter.

It's going to get effing crazy for a couple years.

This is before we knew what the.

What?

Yeah, who was going to get elected?

And I went.

They go.

They go, worse than the pandemic.

I said energetically, there's Julia, you don't look good.

And I said, no.

And so every day when things get weird or more weird or whatever, I have to get quiet, go outside.

I have a dog named Nava.

And I sit there with Nava and I go mad, dude, this is.

Did I just hallucinate all that?

That my peep said that it's all going to be okay after a couple years.

And then it's not that it's going to be great.

It's just going to have two really crazy years.

And I think we are.

And I go and I get, I cry and I get upset and I like, yo soy Mexicana.

My brother Ramir work with Cesar Chavez.

Okay.

They're good buddies.

Yeah.

We were part of the 60s with my, you know, all of that, immigration and all of that.

It's splattered all over the news about what's going on.

So I'm like, yeah, and my pizza, just, just hang tight.

Just keep doing your thing and know that it's, it's not that it's going to be over, but just stay present and Keep doing your work.

Do your work and you be.

And then you'll know what to do.

And I go, okay, so I'm not like, yeah, I, yeah, I sit with family members that have the same kind of concerns and we support each other and maybe cry, but support each other more.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Even though I know what I know and I could see the future, I really can.

I could see everything that's going to happen.

Even with all that information, I'm a human, which I'm actually kind of proud to say now.

Just when I get the hang of this, they'll say it's time to come home or time to move on.

I'll go, oh, farts in a bucket.

Just when I was having fun.

They'll still be here, just in a different way.

Oh, yeah.

Now you know what, I'm not kidding anybody that I always tell people this.

If you meet me now, I doubt that my personality is going to be any different on that other rump at all.

So one day, Kevin, you'll be somewhere 20 years from now or whatever, and you'll hear my voice and you go, oh, Julia, hey, how's it going?

I said, how you doing, Kevin?

What's going on with you?

Oh, man, look at what you did.

That's kind of how it works.

Kind of fun that way.

Yeah.

I was just saying, thinking when you were saying, how do we deal with this current moment in time is to focus on the things that we can focus on and help the people that we can help.

Because there's no work point in worrying about the stuff that we can't control.

People are going to do horrible things no matter what anybody else says.

I mean, there's a lot we can do, but as individuals, we can only do so much.

We can't change the system in one fell swoop, like for a God or something.

We can only make the impact with the people that we know and meet in the future and do the best that we can with the current circumstances.

I think, yeah, exactly.

I, I definitely not am.

Rose colored glasses.

Never have had.

Ever.

Yeah.

I've just seen the big picture and it always looked not as.

Oh, okay.

And now that I'm zoomed in, I go, oh, okay.

Like, oh, I see why everybody's upset.

You know, kind of deal.

Yeah.

And.

And not negate that.

Which is.

Yeah, but just kind of.

Yeah.

You know, Kevin, I have a group of men that I work with in the non physical realm.

My last human teacher was Halemakua Hawaiian, because I lived in Hawaii For a minute.

And then a bunch of other guys.

A lot of my guides are.

Guides are men, men of color usually.

And so I. I still study with Hale, Makua and a bunch of Herman and a bunch of them guys that have passed on.

And I was in Montana and it was, I think during the pandemic.

Yeah, it was during the pandemic.

And I was feeling lonely because.

That's right.

Isolated.

I was by myself.

First time in my whole life by myself for like 10 months.

Yeah.

That's kind of where I was.

And so after we were done with the teachings and talking story.

These are non physical folks.

Yeah.

And I looked at him and I said, man, dude, can I go with you?

And I.

He speaks pigeon kind of deal.

Yeah.

And he goes, well, no, can I come with me?

And I go, cool, I'm done.

This pandemic thing and all this tough.

I'm out of here.

My niece died.

And I'm like, you know.

And he goes, no, no, no, you stay here.

Plenty time.

You got plenty time.

You still got more to do here.

No worries.

You'll be with us sooner than you think.

And then as he was leaving, he turned around, he says, you know what, though?

You know what I miss the most out of everything?

I said, what?

You know, I thought he was going to give me this big, huge whatever, right?

He goes, the food.

I missed the food.

And he didn't.

I forgot that he did love his food.

And I said, eat, Eat good.

Eat good.

Don't get fat, but eat good.

You bad.

And he left.

And I thought every time I, you know, like, think I'm gonna, you know, overeat something or I said, you know, or cook up something or eat something really fast.

I. I could hear him.

Food.

Yeah.

So I always, like, try to cook up something really good or eat something that I'm gonna really enjoy and dance around and enjoy.

So the food, that's the thing he missed the most.

Not his female.

I remember.

Tell his female that.

No, not his female.

100.

Because the food.

Yeah.

It's funny that they have their own.

Their own jokes.

I know, right?

Like, yeah, can you talk a little bit about.

Um, I know we've touched a little bit on this throughout the conversation, but the work that you do with the school, how it, how you kind of came up with it and how you help people through the questions that they have.

Okay, well, the school without Waltz.

Actually, I. I didn't know what to name it.

I'll be honest with you.

At first it was just Julia, Carmen, and all that stuff.

And then one day I was talking to a good friend of mine, Dana, and I didn't have an office anymore.

I decided to give up my office, financial reasons and stuff.

And then I was traveling a lot.

That's one of the reasons I was paying for an office and I wasn't there.

And then I.

She said, you know, she goes, jules, why don't you.

You know, I said, I don't want to call it a school because it's really.

I'm not teaching anything, really.

She goes, no, no, no, go ahead, call it a school.

And then we both said it without waltz, you know, so you can move in time and space because you walk both worlds, right?

And I said, yeah, so it, it's endless.

Right.

So what I have found the folks that come to.

I Now I have 10 students a year.

And then I have retreats, one or two a year.

And the.

The folks that come in, like, basically they come in with their work and then we come up with the words that.

Which.

Right.

They're usually folks that are influence, not influencers, like on this thing, you know, like that they.

They're wanting to, like we were talking about, impact the world somehow, whether it's through a book, whether it's building a new company.

Yeah.

Most of them are building a new company left, you know, Silicon Valley.

And they want to do something like big.

Right.

And they are.

Right.

So I used to be up in front of 100, a thousand people.

I enjoyed that.

I'm not saying I did.

And I really enjoyed that.

I enjoyed being on the road and doing workshops, retreat, you know, whatever.

Yeah.

But now it's that one person.

I call it the point person.

The person that has, you know, if you look at a point, it's like a triangle.

So they're the point person.

And then you have this over here.

And then inside of there are all their peeps, their physical peeps that they're going to be teaching.

I'm going to use the word coach, but, you know, like, maybe they're coaches for corporate world or whatever in that they will get quiet because usually these folks already have everything.

People come to me for three things.

Relationships, well being.

Relationship itself or other folks.

Financial well being or health.

Yeah.

So those are the three things that I focus in on.

So most of those folks come in already have those three down.

Yeah.

They're at a point in their life where they're like, I got everything now what Julia.

And I left this.

I left this.

Or I retired from here.

I got to retire at 50.

Because I've made it now.

I want to be part of being part of the healing or the working or the whatever of the world and change this whole thing.

Like we were talking, you know, we got to figure out what we.

What we can do as one person.

Well, these folks have the resources to change.

Big, big stuff.

So those are the folks that come in.

That's why I only take 10 right now, I only have four students.

And.

And in February, after.

I have a retreat in February, after February, I'll open it up for others to come in because they're my focus.

They're.

They're my.

They don't.

I'm not going to say they have my undivided attention 24 7, but they're in my.

What I call this container of.

Of the Mac class master on my class.

So we meet once a month for a few hours, and then I have individuals with them, and then we have private group texts to the support of.

They.

Yeah, and they go to retreats.

They all go to the one retreat or two retreats that we have a year.

They.

They don't necessarily talk about their business.

They talk about getting quiet backing.

I call it backing into themselves.

Listening to that, because can you imagine if you're.

If a person is like, at the top of their field?

They got all that info, right.

They got all the resources.

Now, how do I key in on that one thing.

How do I key in on that?

Which I.

Because usually they're very talented.

They could do anything they want to do, but they don't want to.

They have limited, you know, time is something you can't buy back.

I know that.

Right.

Well, they want to make sure that they key in on that.

And that's where I come in.

Yeah.

It doesn't.

I don't.

I worked with what.

My first student, she left corporate world and wanted to be massage therapist or whatever.

I didn't know what kind of work she did at all.

And this was over 20 years ago.

And one day she came in.

I said, you need to move to Ireland.

She said, what?

I said, that's what you're telling you?

And she did.

She was there for 20 years and built this practice up.

She's writing books.

She's, you know, she's in Geneva right now, hanging there.

I mean.

And I one day asked her, exactly what do you do?

And she goes, oh, I do this kind of healing modality.

And I said, oh, that's really cool, mija.

You see, what I. I'm not teaching her how to do that.

Yeah, right.

I'm actually, you know, like, she was trying to figure out what kind of training she should get.

There was tons of them.

And I said, you know what, mija?

I think the best thing to do.

She said, what about this one over here?

I said, you're gonna spend too much time there.

Your peeps are saying, cut that one.

What about this over here?

Yeah, go with that one.

But be careful.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right.

So she was gonna invest tons of money in that, whatever she was doing.

Right.

Travel to that place.

I stay with the wrong place.

I don't know about you, but a lot of us dump money where we shouldn't.

Yeah.

So that's just a small point right there, you know, and relationships also.

She went through some relationships.

And.

And I said, oh, stay away from that one.

And she did it.

So, you know.

You know, it's free will, you know, like, that's not a good one.

Yeah, I did the same thing.

You know, like, relationships with.

Or can be.

Yeah.

So it's what the person brings the work, quote, unquote.

And then we.

We create that in the container of unconditional love.

And I'm talking about unconditional love of Kevin.

You love you unconditionally.

Do your best not to judge yourself every minute of the day.

And then you get quiet, and then, boom, there you are.

Yeah, it's actually.

I love it.

This is what I was built for.

This is.

This is what I know.

And I do webinars.

I have one on, because people like something to hold onto.