We’re diving into a truly inspiring conversation with John J.R. Rennie, a guy who’s made some big waves in the world of business and spirituality. After nearly 40 years of running a successful custom software company, John’s life took a dramatic turn in 2015, steering him towards his true calling: founding the Brushfire Ministry. This mission-driven organization helps folks discover their God-given purpose—talk about a glow-up! John’s own journey, filled with ups, downs, and divine nudges, led him to create a system that empowers individuals to embrace their strengths while overcoming obstacles. We’ll explore how his experiences have shaped his approach to helping others live joyfully and purposefully, and let me tell you, you don’t want to miss the wisdom he’s got to share! So, grab a comfy seat and get ready for a chat that’s packed with insights and a sprinkle of humor!

Diving headfirst into the journey of transformation, we explore the life of John J.R. Rennie, a man whose career trajectory took a sharp turn from the tech world of custom software to the spiritually enriching path of ministry. For nearly four decades, John was the mastermind behind Rennie Lindsay and Associates, a company that thrived in the wholesale distribution and manufacturing sectors, known for its integrity and collaborative leadership. But in 2015, the winds of change blew fiercely when he faced unexpected setbacks, including losing key clients. This upheaval served as a catalyst for John’s spiritual awakening, leading him to establish the Brushfire Ministry, a mission dedicated to helping individuals uncover their God-given purposes. Through heartfelt anecdotes and insightful reflections, John shares how his challenges became the fertile ground for a passionate calling that aims to ignite purpose in the lives of others, inspiring listeners to seek their own divine destinies.

Links referenced in this episode:

• brushfires-digital.com

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Rennie Lindsay and Associates
• Brushfire Ministry
• Gallup
• Union Gospel Mission
• Good Samaritan Addiction Program
• Crisis Pregnancy Center

Today's guest is John J.R. rennie, a seasoned entrepreneur and visionary leader whose journey took a powerful turn from software innovation to spiritual formation.

As a founder of Rennie Lindsay and Associates, John built a successful custom software company serving the wholesale distribution and manufacturing sectors for nearly 40 years.

Known for his collaborative leadership and ability to build unified teams, John's business legacy is rooted in integrity, innovation and relationship building.

Through divine promptings and inspired guidance, John discovered his true purpose and founded the Brushfire Ministry, a mission driven organization helping believers uncover their God given purpose and destiny.

Drawing from his own experience of feeling understood, misunderstood and spiritually stuff, John developed a system and tool set that empowers individuals to identify their strengths, overcome limitations and live joyfully in alignment with God's plan.

His story is one of faith transformation and purpose driven impact.

We're honored to welcome him to the show.

Welcome John.

Thank you Keith for having me again and I'm really looking forward to this conversation.

I hope you're people are listening and are going to get something out of this because I think there's a lot here where both of our hearts are.

About change most definitely.

And I think the justice topic and we're going to get into this even more so.

But my experience with churches is that so many people are sitting in the pew not realizing that God has called them to something, a bigger purpose and just we're wasting so much of that talent that's sitting in our pew.

So I'm looking forward to this conversation.

Yep.

But I'm going to ask you my favorite question before we jump into that.

What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Well, it's going to come from the business world and it was early on in my software programming careers before I started the company and I was with a client and we were just talking about business and he said what I've learned is figure out what you do best and then surround yourself with the people who can do what you cannot do.

That has continued to haunt me, which is actually part of the ministry now, which is amazing how God works that you know, he's Talking to a 22 year old programmer and he's going to give him a clue as to what his life's ministry is going to be about.

So yeah, that's great.

I'm curious John, because you've had such a diverse background and changed career direction, so to speak, who are some people in your life who served as a mentor or an inspiration for you on your journey?

The first person that comes to mind is a gentleman named Howard Buck, who has gone on to.

To be with the lord.

I had a dream from God that shook me.

And basically the message was, get your family to church.

And in that church that we attended, there were a number of seniors, mature believers, and Howard was one of them.

And I was able to, for the very first time in my life and through Bible studies and church gatherings, actually examine what a Christian man looked like.

Because up until that point, you know, the previous 28 years, I had no real guide as to what a Christian man was supposed to look like.

And Howard was both an inspiration and, in his family life, how he dealt with the struggles there.

But also as a business owner, I went to him multiple times for business advice, too.

Wow.

That's pretty cool.

I love that.

And you have those people who come alongside you and.

And pour into your life.

I mean, we all dream to have those kind of.

Those kind of impactful people.

Well, and I think that's what the church is supposed to be about.

And that's why discipleship is really on my heart, because there are churches filled with people that don't have anybody to guide them.

They were like me.

They never even knew what a Christian man looked like or a Christian woman looked like.

All they heard were these stereotypes.

And those stereotypes typically were lies from the enemy.

Yeah, exactly.

So, actually, the roots started earlier than that.

And I don't want to for legal reasons.

I don't get into the reasons for that.

But what I discovered is by the end of that year, we had lost our two largest customers because of that relationship, which basically reduced my income by two thirds in a year.

And we had our first significant loss of.

Of unsustainable proportions.

I can't sustain this loss, but I've got employees, I've got clients throughout North America who depend upon us to answer the phone.

And after cutting all, you know, expenses, the only expense left that I could cut that would make a difference was my salary.

Wow.

The weird thing about that is because I knew that that isn't sustainable either.

And it was like, all right, well, I can't sell my software anymore.

I can't ask another small business to invest a quarter million dollars in our services if I don't know if I'm going to be in business in six months.

Wow.

So walk us through what that felt like because, I mean, you're kind of in.

You're kind of in a wilderness at that point.

And I'm sure the family's going, john, what are you doing?

Kind of give us more of the backstory of that.

All right, well, in one word, it sucked.

It really sucked.

Our company was very successful.

I was making, you know, a six digit income for 20, 20 to 30 years after getting it going.

So that was a real shock.

It was like, all right, watch expenses.

We had been good with our money.

We didn't, you know, do lavish trips or buy a bunch of toys.

So I had saved up money, so our bills were able to be paid and we were financially in a good position.

But any guy that's been out of work and, you know, that's a common thing for a lot of men, our identities, even as children of the most high God, are connected to our work.

I found myself, even though I still own the software company, even though I was still programming occasionally and occasionally doing support calls, even though I was still doing that, when I was introduced to somebody new and they asked me, you know, what I did, I felt like I couldn't even say that I was a business owner because I was like, I was a caretaker for dying, you know, company.

Now the weird thing is, is that the company is still going, the clients love the software.

I'm still not getting a regular paycheck.

And so that's a quandary, but it really sucked.

And so what I did is I had so much time on my hand.

I poured into devotions, I poured into reading the Bible.

I talked to God a lot.

I was writing, I was writing short stories, I was writing plays, I was writing poems, I was writing Christian articles.

All of which, by the way, are on the Internet or on our website for people that want to kind of look at that stuff.

Some of it actually worked itself into the ministry's curriculum.

So I thought, well, I'll just start consulting.

My skill set is so unique and so in need for any business that's looking to replace software.

I thought, no big deal.

I started pouring money into Facebook and Google Ads, and every door got slammed in my face.

I poured thousands of dollars into promotion, and I didn't get one call back.

What do you want?

And it was with that sort of attitude.

And I didn't hear him chuckle, but I'm sure he did.

It was sort of like, oh, good, I'm glad I got your attention.

Yeah, that's not going to work for you, because God's always provided for a family.

So I just presumed he was going to, you know, provide a way out of this.

And that's when I began to realize that he had a different plan for my life.

And I needed to cool my jets and submit a little bit more and humble myself a little bit more.

And that's what I did.

So let's.

Doug, let's dig into your brush fire ministry program, because I'm curious.

You describe it as kind of.

You kind of led into a little bit with the kind of divine promptings by God.

Can you share what that experience like to help people find their true purpose?

Because I think we.

We talked about this at the beginning of the podcast.

So many people either are sitting there thinking, I don't have anything to offer.

I mean, I've had that talk with so many people who are Christians.

I know God gives out gifts, but I think he skipped me.

So how do you respond to what your ministry does to help people find their true purpose?

And then I said, how much?

And then I told him no, because I had gone nine, 10 months without a paycheck, and I wasn't going to waste money on this.

And that was his agenda, was to.

To.

To sell me something.

And I was like, in saving modes.

And I said, no, absolutely not.

Went home, left that meeting, and all of a sudden I get this prompting from God.

Do it.

What do you mean, do it?

This makes no sense.

I'm a programmer.

What does psychometric assessment studies.

What.

How does that relate to my current situation?

Do it.

And I was like, all right, God, I'll do it.

So I Called him back.

I negotiated a better price.

My business side was still there.

And I signed my wife and I up to do it together.

And it changed my life.

Psychometry is the science of figuring out what it is that God created you to do.

Your interests, abilities and values, what motivates you, how you are designed to impact the world, how your mind works.

These are not things that you got from your parents.

This is not even in your DNA.

Doesn't matter if you're male or female.

These are things that God spoke into you.

These are the good works that he created you for in Ephesians 2:10.

And I was immediately impacted by how accurate these assessments were.

My wife, it nailed her, it nailed me.

It.

It exposed areas where we had conflict.

It showed me things that I could immediately apply.

And it was like a language that I understood immediately.

Just like I have a programming language and I have a speaking language.

I understood these things instinctively and picked it up and just gravitated towards it.

And so a byproduct of that process is to come up with a purpose statement.

And we do this for all of our graduates.

And my purpose statement reads like this.

I must strategically lead a gifted team to embrace the power of their God given design for long term positive results.

And I go, well, I got this scientific psychometric assessments, but this isn't in the church.

I guess I got to write the curriculum to introduce this to the church.

And as soon as I made that mental agreement, like, okay, I guess that's what I'm going to do, God spoke the name of the ministry into my head.

Brushfires, Ministry.

And I go, well, cool name.

Where did that come from?

Okay, that's what you want to call it?

Great.

It wasn't until I was teaching it for about a year later, I realized what he was doing by stoking the purpose in another person's life and prodding them to get that deep personal relationship with their creator so that they can walk out that purpose.

I'm starting little brush fires just like he had done in my life.

So all I'm doing is repeating the pattern of how he led me to that place so that I could lead other people to that same place.

So you and I talked before about this ministry and we talked about, you know, how different this is from say, any other personality assessment, because we all do personality assessments.

Assessment.

I've done Strength Finder.

I've done all these.

There's so many of them.

So tell us how this is different from.

Oh, what's the one?

I can't think of it right now.

There's disc, There's Briggs, Myers, Briggs.

Yeah.

Okay, so first of all, all those are owned by multinational organizations.

Strength Finders is actually owned by Gallup.

Gallup is a polling agency.

Guess what they're going to use that information to do?

Okay, so ours is not.

The YMI assessments are privately owned.

And guess what?

They were developed by a Christian.

I've actually become personal friends with a individual that developed that.

He's got a degree from the Denver Seminary.

I mean, the man is, was, is a sold out believer.

All the spiritual gifts assessments that we use, again, developed by believers.

So our assessments were created by believers for believers.

And that's a big, big difference.

The other thing is, is that the science of psychometry and all the ones that you mentioned are psychometric assessments.

It has a very rigid, well thought out way of certifying that it has to go through validity and reliability testing by independent third parties that will then say, all right, does it actually measure what it's supposed to measure and what, you know, and what do those results.

Sorry, what do those results look like in 18 months?

So I was just reading the white paper that we have in our assessments and the, the statisticians that went through this said these things are remarkable, that these would be a valuable asset in any organization because of how accurate.

And one of the things that they pointed out is that a lot of the personality assessments will put you into a box.

Like, you know, Enneagram says you're seven or nine.

By the way, Enneagram is not psychometric.

And to be quite honest, I believe it's demonic just being real there.

But they put you in a box.

You know, you're a golden retriever.

You're, you know, a languid or a sanguine or whatever it is.

That's not the approach that we take.

Each one of our assessments measures something very specific about you.

It would be like saying, all right, junior, the color of your hair is gray.

That would be one assessment.

The color of your eyes.

How tall are you?

How heavy are you?

Each one of those are individual assessments.

Well, ours takes the same approach.

What motivates you in a group?

How are you designed to impact this world?

How does your mind Work.

How do you make decisions and you know what is good and bad information for you?

What are your interests, abilities and values?

What are your spiritual gifts?

According to Romans 12, what's your five fold calling?

According to Ephesians 4, we measure all those things independently and then in a spirit led, spirit filled design discovery meeting, we come up with a purpose statement based upon the individual holistic results.

Everyone is unique.

There may be some similarities between leaders and counselors and coaches and teachers, but they are all unique based upon the unique DNA of that person's soul.

So.

So John, tell us how you get an assessment.

Give me an example of what the assessment will tell you.

So like for example, you take strength finds, it tells you that you are maximizer, blah blah, blah, blah blah.

What, how does it, how does your brush fire assessment?

What is it?

What kind, what does it spit out on outside in terms of outputs?

How does it describe people?

So we'll just take impact style.

Impact style is actually very close to disc.

As far as the analysis, there are four elements.

There's director, persuader, cooperator and analyst.

Now this is just one piece of the puzzle.

Okay, so it's not the whole.

A director is a person that is motivated to create order out of chaos.

This is the person that's going to stand up and say that's heresy.

If they are really confident in who God's created them to be.

Really important people to have in the church and they've been silenced apparently in a number of churches.

Persuader is a person that needs to be heard.

They've got something to say.

Doesn't necessarily mean that you got to do what they say, but there's something in they're God's spokesman, if you will.

Not like a prophet per se, they could be a prophet, but more like God's going to use their eloquence and their ability to communicate, to convey truth and direction.

Cooperators are people that simply want to help.

And an analyst is a person that's motivated by truth.

They have to be right.

These are going to be your deep Bible study teachers.

These are going to be people that really want to dive into something and analyze it to make sure that they've got the absolute 100% result.

I remember talking about my design in front of a group of pastors once and I said I'm 0% analyst.

So for me, if I'm 90% true or 95% true, I'm good with that.

And one of the guys laughed out loud, like almost like I'm offended type of thing.

I went and looked at his design.

He's an analyst.

The possibility of him not being 100% right was completely, you know, not fathomable.

I cannot, I cannot deal with that.

The way I look at it is, you know, if I'm going with the right intentions based upon the information that God's given me, he'll send me an analyst to correct me for that other 5%.

And I'm good with that.

I don't have a problem with taking correction and moving forward in that.

So that would be one small sliver.

Temperaments measure how your brain works.

You know, do you like quiet to focus your attention?

Do you like to work in social groups?

Are you inspired and do you have an intuitive side?

Or are you really all about the facts and statistics?

Are you empathetic and subjective in your approach with information?

Are you goal oriented and objective?

Are you a planner?

Do you like organization structure?

Or are you more like a person that's going to shoot from the hip and kind of live life on the edge from that decision making process?

And so we look at every one of those things and it knits into the fingerprint of what God put into their personality.

So I'm an organizational person, love to love organizational change.

As I'm listening to this, I'm going, okay, I realize that our structures and our leadership is designed backwards.

We have, we have positions, we have tasks we need and we go beg people to fill these tasks.

Usually we burn them out because, because they're not really always gifted for that, because we're not really great identifying what people's skills are.

So how do you take and implement what you have here to make sure that we position people on committees, boards, volunteer opportunities that align with their God given purpose and strengths.

So two things.

First of all, you teach them about design and you learn about theirs individually.

A real problem with a lot of organizations inside the church and outside the church is that they continue to hire people that think like them and then nothing changes.

Well, because I'm right all the time.

Right, right.

And so having people that think differently is a problem.

But that's not how God created the body of Christ.

He literally says the eye is not the nose and the toe and the feet are not the, you know, it's not the mouth or all the different relations.

So he intends for there to be diversity in the body of Christ, true diversity, not like what the world is trying to force upon us.

So we're looking at that.

So I would say, what does your elder board look like?

What does your pastoral board look like and start adding people that are different.

They still need to have your same ideals and beliefs in your statement of faith and believe them in the same core truths of the Bible.

That's, that's a non negotiable element.

But their perspective will change how things run.

So you start to actually then spread out your net to the rest of the congregation going, all right, we feel like we are being led by God to start a counseling ministry.

We've got too many marriages that are on the rocks.

We've got too many kids with all kinds of problems from what the world's teaching them.

We need to have counselors.

Well, guess what?

Interests and abilities have counseling qualifiers.

You could have your congregation take the assessments.

And now, you know, let's talk to Mary over here, let's talk to Renee, let's talk to Frank over here.

Because they have that counseling calling, let's pour into them, let's go ahead and build them up so that they have the certification or the qualifications or, or the support to be able to do this.

And then as they start to grow, then let's look for the next agenda item that God wants us to do in the church.

I love that.

As I'm hearing you say this, my mind's going to in my book.

So chapter part of my book was about organizational change.

But one thing I talked about was to do change, you need to have a diverse team.

I really emphasize that in the book.

I'm thinking about what you just said about starting a counseling ministry and my mind goes to great.

I need the people who are going to provide the service on one end, but I need a different skill set of those who are going to promote it, sell it, organize it and run it.

I don't want an entire team of counselors probably because they will counsel each other and never get anything done.

So I'm curious, how do you try to organize your church so that you have diversity on all of your committees so that those committees function better?

So in some areas those things can be specialized.

You could have communication that is simply being addressed for all ministries within the church.

So your counselors start off being basically that they are counselors, that they are working with the members of the congregation.

And then when they need to promote something or whatever, they go to your communications group and they make that message.

So that is a way of doing it.

Another way is looking for people that share a portion of that desire, but not all the giftings.

So we did a communication team building unity seminar for a crisis pregnancy center, a few years ago.

And we have this thing called an organizational survey that answers four very seemingly innocent questions that reveal a tremendous amount about what's going on in the organization.

And what we got is that they were really having problems in the area of understanding what each department did and the unity and communication going back and forth.

One of the things we did for them is that we then took a, what we call a culture survey.

We took all their assessments and we combined them together to see where the commonality was.

And the interesting thing was the clinicians, the nurses that were actually meeting with the women that were pregnant and or maybe the couples that were going through counseling to be part of, to bring a baby into this world, they had certain teaching capabilities and they had certain counseling interests and abilities.

Interesting enough, people that were in the administrative, communication, social media management side of things, they also had counseling as an interest, but they didn't have the ability of counseling.

So they had a desire to be part of an organization that made a difference in people's lives.

That was a common thread in the culture of that.

They didn't have the ability to actually be the one, you know, on the front lines with the expectant mother, but they had the desire in the heart to be part of an organization that did.

And so it's God's got all the people you need to do the ministry that he wants your church to do.

So first and foremost, figure out what God wants you to do church.

And then check your resources as far as who is given to you as people.

And this is a story I love sharing.

Dude, look at the reality.

He's giving you carpenters built houses.

Use the resources that God has given you, because that's his agenda.

Quite likely.

And if you want to eventually get around to rebuilding a transmission for Mustang, start looking for a couple mechanics.

There may be one or two there.

But see what God's given you as resources and then take those resources to him and say, all right, Lord, how can we serve you best?

I love it.

So how do you see this working out in a broader context for the church community?

Well, I was just reading this today and in Matthew 20 talks about the harvest of the vineyard owner.

And he goes out early in the morning and gets people to come and work in his vineyard.

And all the way to the fifth hour, the end of the day, and he's still hiring people I think as far as the church age goes, we're in the fifth hour and God has a plan for a huge harvest before the church age is over and the church is woefully unprepared for it.

I mean, it talks about having 10 virgins and five of them are ready and the other five aren't.

I don't think we've got two virgins ready at this point.

So my goal is to at least get up to five.

Okay.

And to wake up the church because that's what happened to all 10 of those virgins.

They had all fallen asleep.

Let's wake up the church.

Let's get the body of church actually functioning.

You know what, what better ministry than to be known for helping marriages survive that your non believing neighbors go, I don't know what to do, I'm about to lose my marriage.

Well, our church has a ministry that addresses that.

Would they allow me to come in?

Yes.

Yes, they will.

What a better testimony than people doing what God created them to do.

Being joyful for that.

And if we have an opportunity to talk about that, that's a real important part of figuring out your purpose.

And, and people going, what's changed in you?

People that knew me 20 years ago and know me now recognize how much I've changed.

This passion, this joy that I have at this moment, I never had it in my life.

I was successful, I was responsible, I achieved a lot.

I didn't have joy or this passion.

Wow, that's great.

So somebody who's listening to this podcast going, man, this sounds really cool.

I want to know where I start.

Where would a church start the process?

Well, everybody starts at the workshop level.

And that is what did God create you to do?

So I would.

If you're a church leader and you are doing what God created you to do, then take the program, vet what it is that we're teaching.

Make sure that it's, know that you agree with it.

Take the assessments, go through the design discovery meeting process, don't tell us anything about your life and see if what we come up with as far as your purpose doesn't hit your heartstrings to say, yes, that's who God's created me to be.

Now, once you have vetted the program, invite another five people in your leadership team to go through the same thing.

If you all agree, then we can take you through our leadership training program.

You can get our graduate training workbooks.

I just released a new book called Communication and T Building Guide based upon that seminar that we did for that crisis pregnancy center.

And we can start training you how to interpret, design, how to be able to recognize patterns as far as things that people will fall into as traps or ones that are special, unique treasures that God wants to use.

And we can teach you, our team wants to pour into you and see your church be that.

I have one request from God.

Two, to be quite honest, before he takes me out of this world.

One, I want my son to be cured of his epilepsy.

It's been 38 years now and that kid has suffered way too much.

And his healing will be a testimony to the world because science has not been able to help him.

Number two is I want to go into a church that is filled with 80% of the people actively doing what Christ created them to do.

I want to be able to walk in there and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit going off like a nuclear reactor, having an impact on everybody that walks into that church and everybody that is within the contact of that church.

I want to experience that.

And if God willing, I would like to experience that a hundredfold times because that's my legacy, is to start those fires that are going to cause churches to really burn for their desire for the Lord and to actually have a passionate purpose that they are fulfilling.

So I have to ask this question because we all have churches that have different theological backgrounds and that sometimes creates tension.

How does your program translate across denominations?

Because I know everybody's got a different tribe and a different way of doing church.

How is it translating?

Actually, we've worked with a number of different churches already.

Our statement of faith is on our homepage, so you can basically read that and is fairly consistent with any Bible believing church.

I think the only area that I've ever really come into is the area of losing salvation.

And under certain circumstances, I've been convinced that a person can walk away from their salvation at this point in time.

But I'm not, you know, that's not a hill I'm going to die on.

And it's not something that we really teach about.

That's not where our ministry isn't about that.

In fact, going through the workshop curriculum, reading our workshop book, there is nothing that any true Christian Bible believing church is going to object to at all.

We're not there to teach theology to your people.

We're there to teach you design, organization, and how to pursue purpose.

That is our goal.

We leave that teaching of theology to the actual churches themselves because they're better equipped at it.

And that's just not our Mandate.

That's good.

Keeps you out of trouble.

So, John, I have to ask my favorite question.

What do you want your legacy to be?

You kind of touched on it, but is there something a little bit different that you think about you wanting your legacy?

We're still in the team building process, so we're looking for coaches and leaders and so forth.

My software company, as I said, was very successful for a number of years and I've been self funding this ministry now nearly for 10 years.

So I'm looking for people to come alongside to help deal with coaching and counseling capabilities for leaders to be able to grab this and for us to work alongside.

God is in the multiplication business.

So I've had a number of people with prophetic callings come into our atmosphere and every one of them say, this is going to be huge.

This is going to be bigger than love languages and things of that nature.

I agree with them.

Now at first was like, that's too much.

I don't, I can't deal with that kind of growth.

But at this point I'm like, all right, I agree with them.

So I need a team that is committed to people actually living the life that God created them to live.

The pain and anguish that people are going through is not what God wanted for that person.

If I can, let me share this.

So we've partnered with a number of other ministries.

Union Gospel Mission, the Good Samaritan Addiction Program, as I said, the Crisis Pregnancy center and so forth.

In these areas where we're dealing with addiction, trauma, abuse, what we found out was that many, and I'm saying that this is so remarkable that my wife and I, as we're doing these things after a couple dozen was like, are you seeing a pattern here?

Many of these people that have been traumatized, abused, homeless, they have counseling callings on their life, they have leadership callings on their life.

Their trauma was not by accident.

They were targeted by the enemy to cripple them.

I know one pastor in this area that was in that same situation.

He was in jail, he was a drug dealer, he was a drug user.

God got a hold of his life and now that man is all out for God.

He's called the love Pastor.

That's literally what they refer to him as.

That man paid a high price, but now God has redeemed him.

Now all that hard earned street cred that he got by understanding and reading people and knowing who's a wolf in sheep's clothing, that's still there so that man can go ahead and minister to People that are like him and recognize who's going to be harmful to the flock and who is actually somebody that he can actually work with and help and restore their lives.

That man is a dangerous believer.

In fact, I call him my pastor, Pastor Stephen Heming.

That man is a dangerous warrior.

I'm writing my latest book is called why Discipleship Isn't Working.

And I'm writing a section right now and one of the things I want to point out to people, if you are not dangerous, if you're not capable of being dangerous in the kingdom, then you are harmless to the enemy's plans.

When you partner with God and you allow his Holy Spirit to guide and direct your steps, you're dangerous.

I don't care if you're a 4 foot 8 grandma.

I don't care if you're a 6 foot 6 football player.

You being led by the Holy Spirit to accomplish God's purposes in your life makes you dangerous.

And that's what the enemy does not want to happen.

He doesn't care about your physical stature.

He doesn't care about your education.

He doesn't care about your looks.

He cares about your soul.

Giving over the reigns of your life to the Holy Spirit to be able to accomplish God's will, that's worth it, people.

I'm just telling you, I love it.

So John, where can people connect with you?

Learn more about Brushfire Ministries if they want to be part of your team.

How do they do that?

Simply go to brushfires-digital.com and register as a new user.

It's completely free to register.

But when you do register, we give you five free gifts.

One of them is one of our assessments.

We Give the Romans 12 Spiritual Gifts Assessment free to anybody that registers.

It's one of our 11 different assessments.

Obviously it's a spiritual gifts assessment, not one of the psychometric ones.

They will also get my latest book called Sparks Turn into Brush Fires and it's the faith based autobiography of my life.

Of how God got this child that was born in a non believing family to become a believer, to turn back to Christ, to dedicate his life in ministry to Christ and all the good and bad turns that person led, was, was led through.

So it's really a story about God's faithfulness even when I was not faithful.

And we hope it encourages people to listen for God because he's trying to talk to all his people.

So do that.

Sign up for one of our subscriptions, our monthly subscriptions.

The most popular one is the gold and the platinum subscriptions.

That gives you the eight session digital workshop.

It gets you our workbook, it gives you the 11 different assessments and then it will eventually get you the three hour coaching session where we will personally develop a purpose statement with you, live with you and one of your friends.

Well John, thanks so much for what you do.

Blessings on the work you're doing.

What you're doing is important and we need to like you said, unleash those other virgins so we can not just have two but have five to seven that are out there ready for when, when Christ comes again.

So thank you.

Oh Keith, it's been a pleasure talking to you.

You're such a joy and you know, I feel like there's probably more work for you and I to do together in the future.

So I look forward to seeing what God's doing.

I love to see it too, John and stay in touch.

All right.

Cheers.