Shownotes
We hear from Sarah Lakeman in this episode - the mother of Jacques and Torin who died in December 2014 after a drugs overdose.
This interview does include some potentially upsetting information and if you’re affected by any of the issues there are details of local organisations that provide advice and support here.
Help is also available 24/7 via Samaritans on 116 123 - more information is available at their website.
Sarah also tells us about what they did with some of the boys' ashes and says she's happy to share the link if you would like to watch their last adventure together.
You can watch that here.