Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Today I'm talking with Tammy Kaehler
from Love Your FeralFeline . If you ever
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:wanted to make a real difference in the
cats in your neighborhood and weren't sure
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:how to start, this episode is for you.
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:We are gonna be breaking down the
practical ways that anyone can step
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:up and help their community cats.
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:Welcome to the show Tammy.
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:I am looking forward to talking
about love your feral felines.
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:Tammy: Yes.
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:Dixie: Tell me a little
bit about yourself.
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:How did you come to get
involved in cat rescue?
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:I came to cats late, but when I.
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:Came to cats, I went all in.
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:I grew up with a mother who was
allergic to cats and then I married
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:a man who was allergic to cats.
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:So I had no experience really.
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:But we lived in long Beach, California for
a while and we had a backyard cat and then
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:we went, decided to move to San Diego, and
we were so attached by that point to that
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:backyard cat that my husband shrugged.
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:And he said we gotta try.
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:So we.
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:Grabbed her and took her with us.
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:And lo and behold, my husband has
somehow gotten over his allergies.
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:So we had her, we lost her and we adopted
a brother and sister kittens and then
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:took in a barn cat and now we're three
cat family and he's still doing fine.
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:So that was the coming to it late.
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:I got involved, so we had brought
that , backyard, cat in, and somehow
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:I found love your feral felines
and the word feral in the title.
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:Resonated with me because
we'd taken in this feral cat,
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:they started as an organization placing
barn cats, pulling them from shelters
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:where they had really no other options
in placing them as working cats.
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:But anyway, I found them.
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:I donated some supplies and then , once
we wanted to adopt, we adopted from
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:them, our brother and sister kittens.
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:A couple months after that I was just
so in love with our new family and
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:the babies that we had, and I wanted
to help and donate and volunteer.
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:This was also in the middle of
COVID and the shutdown we all
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:had more time on our hands.
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:And so I contacted them and talked
to them about how I could volunteer.
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:Things that was five years ago
and it's spooled out in many
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:different directions since then.
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:But that's how I got into
it in the first place.
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:Dixie: You're the development coordinator.
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:What did you do prior to becoming the
development coordinator and what are
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:your duties as a development coordinator?
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:Tammy: Whatever we make
up is the short answer.
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:So I reached out and again,
this was shut down and I barely
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:knew anything about cats.
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:But where I come from and what I am,
I'm a writer and so I reached out
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:and said, Hey, I'm sitting at home.
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:There's not a lot going on in the world,
but I can write, can I help with writing?
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:For you guys.
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:And because at that point, I was still
getting used to having kittens and I
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:was not ready to think about fostering
and all of those kinds of things.
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:But I thought that probably I
could bring something that not
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:everyone could bring as far as
expertise and background and things.
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:So I started off helping,
writing, helping with writing
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:the adoptable cat bios online.
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:And that sort of expanded to
writing little bits of copy
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:here and there for a website.
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:Or the founder needed a short bio
description for herself for some activity.
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:Once things opened up, started helping
it special events, adoption weekends
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:and that sort of thing, or street fairs.
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:We'll go and have a booth, and
talk to the public , about cats and
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:cat rescue and things like that.
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:I started writing blog posts
now, and then I started helping
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:write some social media posts.
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:We have one social media guy who
basically does everything, and so I've
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:tried to pick up the slack and give
him a break of a day or two a week.
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:And then it expanded to.
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:Listen, I can write, maybe I can
help you write grant applications.
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:Not that I knew anything about
them, I figured I could learn.
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:And they weren't really doing much
with that because it was always one
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:of the two the executive director was
the one doing all of that, and she
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:was stretched in, 95 million ways.
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:And so that's where the
development coordinator came from.
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:The point of that was writing grant
applications and doing the follow up
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:and doing the reporting, all those
kinds of things that come along with it.
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:Along the way I've expanded that
a little bit into fundraising.
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:In general, I'm trying to help get us
set up with a donor management system.
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:We're behind the times.
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:We don't really have
one of those in place.
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:And.
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:Trying to think about, donor follow up
and stewardship, I guess they call it.
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:And along the way also I've done a lot
of public speaking and my background
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:as a writer and other things.
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:And I started doing some of the media work
for the organization because our founder
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:. Does not like being on camera, let's say.
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:And she freezes.
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:So she needs someone else.
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:And the executive director
isn't always available.
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:She is mostly out of state these
days, although still involved in our
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:organization, but she can't meet people.
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:So then no one really to meet
people if they need a tour of our
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:adoption center or to do podcasts.
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:Or last year, I think it
was, I was at Cat Con..
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:I did a podcast with someone
there, or little media interviews
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:or whatever it might be.
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:So I don't know, I think it helps
me to be able to try new things and
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:dabble in a bunch of different places.
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:I've also fostered, I've also done the
tiniest bit of TNR I get to know all the
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:different areas which is good 'cause then
I can talk about them for some of these.
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:Other duties.
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:But it helps keep things fresh
for me too, so it's not the
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:same thing over and over again.
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:So yeah, that was the long answer,
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:Dixie: yeah.
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:I love hearing that too because I think
when it comes to volunteering, people
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:think that you either have to go foster
clean kennels or do adoption events.
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:And so I like that you are able to get
into something and it's benefiting an
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:organization greatly by what you are doing
can we talk about something like that too?
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:What are roles in animal rescue
that people can get into that
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:might not necessarily involve
hands-on with the animals?
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:Because some people just don't
have the time to do hands-on
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:with the animals or can't.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:Definitely, we always
have need for fosters.
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:We always have need for people.
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:We have two, we have cats in two
facilities, our own adoption center,
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:and we have some cats at a PetSmart.
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:We always have need for people to
work shifts, and that works great for
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:some people who, can't have additional
cats at home or can't have any cats at
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:home, but wanna spend a little time,
and you do a two or three hour shift
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:once a week or once every other week.
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:And that works great for some people.
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:I live very far away.
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:I'm very I'm 45, 50 minutes away
from our adoption center, so
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:that's not practical for me and for
other people that are farther out.
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:But there's also, all
kinds of other needs.
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:We need people to transport.
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:There was a call just put out, can
someone take a kitten who needs extra
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:support from a foster in one location?
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:45 minutes away to the other location
where she can get the support tonight.
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:Or, there might be , picking up
medicine at the local clinic and
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:taking it to the adoption center
so a foster can come get it.
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:And sometimes that's, easy for
people because it might be their
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:route home anyway, and they could
contribute that kind of support.
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:So cats need to go back
and forth all the time.
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:Medicine supplies we need runs to
storage, to stock more, bring more
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:litter from the storage facility to
the adoption center that kind of thing.
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:We have people who are
good at fixing things.
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:Something the the wall hammock pulls outta
the wall and you need someone who can come
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:in and put a new wall anchor and, get that
stable again or sew up the seam on the
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:thing that tore so it can be used again.
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:And we have people that will come
in and fix the litter box cabinets
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:or whatever when they break or
mess with the lock on the door.
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:We have people that are
like me that are good at.
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:This, like special events.
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:There are a lot of people who mostly
volunteer for the adoption events
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:i'm part of the team that goes to Cat Con
and we've got a local strawberry festival
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:and a local avocado festival and those
kinds of things out in our communities.
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:We have people who work just on
the adoption committee, taking the
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:applications, doing the interviews,
and working through approval or not.
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:We have people that.
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:Do TNR.
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:We don't have an official program because
we don't have a lot of people who can
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:go out and respond to the public yet.
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:We're trying to build up that
program, but there are a couple
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:people who will go out in our.
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:Especially the community around where our
adoption center is and do a bunch of that.
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:They've developed a couple colonies and
they're continuing to care for them.
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:So we have people going out and feeding.
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:So I think we have people
with, bookkeeping background
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:whatever it might be.
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:We have a couple people who are vet
techs who volunteer and come in once a
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:week or once every couple weeks to help.
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:Give vaccines and just do brief
checkups of the cats that are in there.
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:So there's a lot of different expertise
that we can use and I think there's
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:an opportunity, I always try and tell
people if they're interested at all.
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:It doesn't have to be the typical thing
you're thinking of the fostering or the
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:working, the shift with the hands-on.
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:Think about what you are good at and might
be able to contribute and chances are.
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:The organization can use
that somehow sometime.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:I think that's great advice.
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:If you're interested, you wanna
help animals just to reach
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:out to an organization Yeah.
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:And say, Hey, I don't know if you can use
this, but this is what I can offer you.
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:And I think if people did that,
they would be very surprised,
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:Tammy: and the other examples
of photography, we always need
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:good pictures of the cats.
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:Graphic design, we always
need that kind of thing.
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:Anyone who's willing to organize and
house materials, I just ran this auction
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:and I have just gobs and gobs of items
that needed to be packaged and have
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:cute little names for the packages put
together and then hold onto 'em and then
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:label them and just having people help
organize and prettify little auction
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:baskets or whatever it might be like.
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:That's a skill too, that I don't
necessarily have, so there,
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:whatever it might be, it might.
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:Seem oh, but this might never be relevant.
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:Ask if you love cats and
wanna contribute somehow, ask.
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:Dixie: I know wrapping up things for
silent auctions and putting together gift
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:baskets, that's something I struggle with.
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:I'm not gonna lie.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:No I'm not fulfilling.
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:I've figured out how to
photograph the packages, they're
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:going to people in plain.
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:Paper bags with a label
in their name on it.
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:Like it's not fancy how they're getting
delivered, but they're getting the
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:good and that's what's important.
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:But this was an online option too.
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:This wasn't an in-person,
everything laid out on a table.
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:It's pretty, 'cause I can't do that.
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:The baskets and the
cellophane and the ribbons.
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:Now that's not me.
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:There are lots of people
can do that, not me.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Same with me.
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:Now, another thing that I'd like
to talk about, if we can get into
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:this a little bit more, we'll
talk about your silent auction.
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:Sure.
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:Just like putting something
together like that.
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:But also since you did do the
adoption bios, if you have any
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:advice on what works, what doesn't
work for the adoption bios.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:It's hard because sometimes I
took a different approach to
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:them that we're not really doing
anymore because I'm not doing them.
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:After a couple years I ran outta steam.
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:And, but I took different
approach, a silly.
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:Fictional approach.
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:Now I'm a writer.
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:I've written some fiction, published
some novels, so I was, trying to
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:take this sort of creative approach.
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:And there was a cat that
would have a lot of.
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:A lot of swagger and this would be the
or a cat that was super talkative and
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:I would write a bio about that being
your, friendly neighborhood newscaster
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:who loved to tell you all about what was
happening in the world of the adoption
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:center and was gonna tell you about
their day and give you a commentary.
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:And I would personify or, come
up with some human kind of
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:role for the cats to try and.
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:Add something to the
description of their characters.
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:So that was one way I think.
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:It's hard to manufacture, especially
when you have a foster who
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:gives you they're very friendly.
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:They like to flop on your feet and,
rub their cheeks on your hands and
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:loves their food and want toys.
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:Like it's hard to do something with that.
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:And so that's why I tried to pull in
a character to the different cats.
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:I've actually been thinking recently
that I should try, and this may
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:be a, dirty words for some people,
but that I should try dropping some
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:of the short descriptions into AI
and see what it could generate.
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:Just to because you just need a
little fluffing around the words,
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:and some heartfelt kinds of things.
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:And so I, I don't know.
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:I feel like I'm not answering this
question very well, but it is something
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:I struggled with and that's why I
had tried to pull in some character.
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:Dixie: I think you explained it well.
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:Because Okay.
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:That's what I was asking really, because
I know like for me, when I had foster
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:cats and if I was trying to write
a bio for them, you get to a point
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:where they almost all sound the same.
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:Yes, exactly.
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:And you don't want them to all sound the
same, because when people are reading
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:the bios and if you're just trying
to get their attention with the bios,
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:some people, of course, if the cat's
reaching out the cage, they're gonna
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:gravitate towards that cat anyway.
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:But you do have people that like
to read the bios and sometimes
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:they might go to an adoption center
when all the cats are sleeping.
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:And so in cases like that, you do
wanna have a good adoption bio.
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:You wanna have something that's gonna
attract their attention and I do find that
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:, a lot of places they all sound just very
generic and the same and Yeah, I know a
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:couple of weeks ago I spoke with Christie
Keith and she was saying that, having a
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:more silly approach and humorous approach
actually reaches different people.
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:And I've noticed that too with mine
because my rescue's unwanted feline
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:organization, so our acronym is UFO.
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:So we lean towards everything spacey.
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:It works, which is great.
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:I love that.
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:And I do think it reaches people
differently from just that
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:generic bio that you always see.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:Yeah, I know.
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:It's making me feel like I wanna go back
and start writing these again because
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:it's so much more fun to have a hook.
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:Than just the sort of standard, yeah.
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:This is a people focus cat
or this is a cat's cat, or,
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:Dixie: yeah.
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:And
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:Tammy: it
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:Dixie: is definitely hard.
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:It really is hard.
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:I do think it definitely takes
some creativity to come up with
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:something that doesn't sound like
just the standard adoption bio.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:I was thinking about this
earlier today and thinking I
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:really should go back and look.
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:I got to a point where I
wasn't writing them for kittens
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:because kittens don't last long.
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:But for the adults, who take longer or
the sort of late teens that take longer
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:to get adopted, I really should go back in
and start trying to do a little more with
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:what are probably some pretty short bios.
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:So circle back to where I started.
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:Uhhuh would probably be a
good thing for me to do.
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:So there's so many things to do.
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:That's the thing I'm sure
it's the same for you.
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:There are so many things you could do.
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:You have to decide which
ones you're going to do.
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:'Cause you can't do 'em.
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:Dixie: With the work that
you do with the media, yeah.
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:Do you actually approach the media?
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:Do you put out press releases or do
you wait for the media to approach the
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:organization before you get involved?
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:Tammy: At this point, it's mostly been
waiting for the media to approach us.
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:I'm not active.
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:I'm not doing much active reaching out.
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:Our founder does some of that on occasion.
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:It's mostly that she'll reach out
to me and say, Hey, got a request
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:or sent out a pitch and they wanna
come see the adoption center.
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:Hey, there's a local mayoral
candidate who's visiting businesses
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:in the city that we're in.
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:And they'll come do a little
video if we show 'em around or
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:talking to you on a podcaster.
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:I met a podcaster a couple
podcasters at Cat Con last year.
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:And just even if they aren't in the
area,, I did an interview with someone
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:based in Los Angeles, and we're down
in San Diego and that's not really
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:overlapping communities, but I figured
the more anyone is out there and willing
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:to talk about what's going on in cat
rescue and the cat overpopulation
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:program problem, the better.
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:So I guess I do a little bit of.
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:Putting myself out there and reaching
out when I hear about things,
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:but I'm not actively pitching
with press releases and stuff.
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:I would like to, I, one of the things that
I have been stymied by is a good media
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:list because that's a thing you gotta
have, and it's hard to generate one if
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:you haven't really ever done it before.
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:It's on the list.
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:Dixie: Yeah, that's not
something I'm familiar with yet,
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:Tammy: yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Me either.
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:I've looked around like, how
do you even reach these people?
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:And I did a little investigation
and I just don't really even know.
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:So I moved on to something I could impact.
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:Dixie: The silent auction that
you're getting together that's
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:online, is that benefiting a certain
project for your organization or
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:is it just an an overall auction?
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:Tammy: Overall auction general
funds we, , it just actually just
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:completed, I ran it for a week, went
Sunday the 12th to Sunday the 19th.
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:And we had about 110, 109 items.
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:Some of them were things like.
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:Tickets to the San Diego
Zoo or Safari Park.
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:Some of them were collection of
collections of cat lady box items,
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:t-shirts and hats and tumblers and
cookie cutters and things like that.
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:Some of them were people
offering their own expertise.
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:Someone's gonna hand crochet a beanie and
someone else is gonna give someone the
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:cowgirl experience with her horse locally.
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:And some of them were cat
goods, toys, litter boxes, wall
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:hammocks, those kinds of things.
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:So it was a big variety
of kinds of materials.
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:It was whatever we could generate.
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:And just to gather general funds pitched
it as, this is our, in honor of our 15th
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:anniversary 'cause life love your feral
felines, or LYFF turns 15 this month.
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:Before I volunteered for LYFF, I had run
a silent auction for another purpose.
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:And so I had a little bit of experience
and I'd had some success with that.
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:And so I brought that to the
table and was like, how about I
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:try an online option with stuff?
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:And we're also able to
get, things donated.
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:PetSmart will give us, toys , in
November, they'll give us some
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:of their leftover Halloween toys.
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:And San Diego Humane Society often get
donations from chewy of things that,
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:didn't sell or were returned or whatever.
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:And they'll open their warehouse
to local rescues sometimes.
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:And we can get some goods like that.
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:So I, this was actually the
fourth of these auctions that
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:I've done over the years.
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:And now it has some momentum
because people will donate random
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:things during the year and.
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:Then whoever gets that in will
hit me up and say, Hey, you want
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:to save this for the auction?
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:And we'll toss it in our storage facility
and come back to it when it's time.
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:So it's been a decent little money maker.
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:So we're, this time it
brought in nearly $6,000.
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:Wow,
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:Dixie: that's amazing.
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:That's great.
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah I'm pretty pleased with that.
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:Dixie: Do you find it's growing every year
since you've been doing it for a while now
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:, Tammy: That's really hard to say.
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:I feel like we don't get the reach.
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:That would help us.
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:But we also, we have a lot of
physical goods, so it's also
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:hard to say that people in other
states should, bid on things.
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:So I would like more
participation from bidders.
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:Certainly the quality of items
and the variety is growing.
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:This year I got connected to.
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:A couple organizations where if you are
a registered nonprofit and qualify with
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:them, just basically proving you're a
registered nonprofit you can pay a fee.
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:It is not that much and you
can cancel it at any time.
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:Like you can pay for it
for a month and then not.
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:And then you have access to
all kinds of organizations and
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:companies that will donate to
nonprofits for fundraising things.
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:So that's how I got zoo tickets and to.
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:Two tickets for a bay cruise in San Diego.
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:And tickets to the wax museum in
Hollywood and a local fitness guru.
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:One hour session, holistic
fitness thing and a whole bunch
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:of other kinds of activities.
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:There was , an in-home wine sampling,
wine tasting party for up to 12 people.
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:So a bunch of kind of random
things, testing the waters
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:basically to see what would appeal.
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:I've also been trying to do these
at different times of the year
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:to see what produces the best.
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:Is this April too late?
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:Because people are
starting to think about.
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:Summer and planning and using their
money there, or is December good because
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:it's before Christmas and maybe they're
thinking about, buying themselves
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:or their friends Christmas person.
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:I don't know.
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:But then also you have to take
into account what's happening in
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:the economy and the world at these
different times in different years.
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:So it, it's hard.
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:I don't know.
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:There are a lot of different variables.
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:It's hard to isolate them and come
to definitive conclusions, but I feel
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:like we at least are getting better
about what kinds of items will sell
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:and are interesting and how to get
the word out, that kind of thing
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:Dixie: right now.
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:Do you do a lot of advertising on
social media for this or do you
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:host it on social media or is it
on just like your regular website?
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:Tammy: No, all over social media.
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:Lots we did a couple posts ahead
of the auction and then we had
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:four or five during the week of
the auction and we're gonna do a
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:thank you post plus I was posting.
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:Stories, and this is really
just Instagram and Facebook.
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:I was posting like six stories a day
featuring different individual items,
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:trying to drive some traffic there.
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:Yeah I, and , we sent a
newsletter to our mailing list.
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have done and probably that's where
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but baby steps, I think we get a little
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:It seems like you did have a a
great fundraiser that's great that
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:Tammy: Yeah.
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:One of the things we do that I will
throw out there and I wanna say, if
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:anyone out there in rescue wants to
ask any questions and about running
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:One of the things we did was put in
items in the auction for sponsor a litter
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starting, so it's not the $20 set
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be able to sponsor a lit of kittens.
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:We telling they can name them and they'll
get frequent updates, photos and things.
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:Again, we're doing that work anyway.
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:It takes a little bit of extra effort to
do the updating of, send pictures and send
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:But it's a nice way to
bring the community in.
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:Dixie: Now when you do something like
that and you say you send them the
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:milestone updates, do you try to follow
up even after the kittens get adopted?
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:If people send you updates,
do you send them updated?
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:I guess the post-adoption updates,
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:Tammy: So we really only get
post-adoption updates once at about
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:six months if the adopters respond.
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:If we re remember, we will
do that, but mostly it ends
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gonna hear after the adoption, so it's
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:mostly while they're in care and then
an adoption photo with their new family.
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:Dixie: Yeah, and I would
love to include your contact
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:That way in case anybody does have any
questions, they could reach out to you.
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:Tammy: Absolutely.
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:Dixie: Absolutely.
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:Before we end the call, I would like
you to just tell us a little bit
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:more about lyff and the programs
that you offer and what y'all do.
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:Tammy: Sure.
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:So LOVE YOUR FERAL FELINES was
started in:
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:She decided one year for her birthday,
she wanted to do something that
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:wasn't about her necessarily, and
she started volunteering at a local
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:shelter, and that's when she became
very upset by the lack of outlet.
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:Four feral cats that were turned in.
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:And that drove her to start
love your feral felines as a
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:barn cat placement program.
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:Couple years later,, she remained
connected to someone who had worked
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:at the shelter, who then left and
brought that person in to start
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:our foster and adoption program.
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:So those two are the
mainstays of what we do.
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:The Foster and adoption program
is really the biggest now.
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:We pull.
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shelter, euthanasia list.
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:We don't take from the public.
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:We work directly with the shelters to take
in the cats who are at risk due to age.
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:Older, young, mostly young, we're
talking neonates or unadoptable
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:because they, the too young to be
adopted, whether they're weaned or not.
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:Maybe at risk because of health problems.
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:Sick, A broken leg, those an eye
infection needs an enucleation,
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:whatever or temperament.
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:Sometimes it's the spicy ones.
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:And, but we've also had.
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:Barn cats, quote unquote, come into the
program as a barn cat, and discovered
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:that really they were just shut down
and terrified in the shelter situation.
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:And so then they come into the
adoption program as socialized cats.
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:. Over the 15 years, we've impacted more
than 10,000 lives, and that's through
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:barn cat placement, foster and adoption
through some TNR through some low cost
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:spay and neuter work that we've done.
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:We had a program we're
working to reestablish that.
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:We lost our primary partner for
that to be able to offer low cost
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:And, but that's something that we.
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:Really want to be able to do and
wanna work back, work ourselves back
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:toward doing as we're developing new
relationships with a number of different
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:veterinary partners we also go out
and do education as much as possible,
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:whether that's, live in the community,
or we have some educational material
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working towards trying to bring that back.
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:We have some programs for Girl Scouts
to come get a badge and tour our
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:And a lot of these are volunteer
driven kinds of endeavors, right?
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:The Girl Scouts thing was
because a specific volunteer had
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:So kind of fingers in a lot of pies,
but it's all because we also see like
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:We can't foster our way out of
the cat overpopulation crisis,
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root cause of that problem.
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:And that's helping people get cat spayed
and neutered and t and r and community
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:cats so they're not, creating more
bigger colonies and that kind of thing.
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:So we are all volunteer and we're
just a lot of people running around
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:'cause we love cats and wanna
try and take care of as many.
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:It's possible.
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:And 15 years we're still doing it.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:We definitely need more cat
advocates in the world, I really
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:enjoyed talking to you about this.
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:It's a great job that y'all are doing.
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:Tammy: Yeah, thank you.
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:And you too, and I appreciate
you spreading the word.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:And what is your website?
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:Tammy: It is love your feral felines.com.
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:Dixie: I'm gonna put that in the show
notes and with some of your contact
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:information as well, so that way people
can reach out if they have any questions
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:. Tammy: Perfect.
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:Thank you, Dixie.
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:It was fun to talk.
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:Dixie: That's it for today's
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:the advice of your own veterinarian.
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