This week, Philip Shouse from the Gene Simmons Band, Ace Frehley, and Accept comes back to share his Top 5 Albums of all time and why they are special to him.

One of the things we keep hearing from guests like Philip is how hard it is to create these lists. It's one thing to pick your top 5 favorites, but a whole different thing to put them in order from 5 to 1 is even harder.

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Intro and Outro voiceover by Kate Bowyer

Hey, hey, welcome to the sounds on final show. My name is Phil Boyyer, and as

always from across the vast open sea is my brother from another mother, Mr.

Mike, Fence and Mike. How the hells are going over there in Sweden?

Oh, it's really good it. we got summerime. Still. so so I'm a happy

Cmper. about that. I don't like the cold at all.

No, I was born in the one country so'll say

You live in the wrong place.

Uh,

yeah.

yeah, I. I actually had a dream last night that I woke up and it was We had

like five inches of snow on the ground,

Oh man, don't go there.

so I, I know snow is one of your favorite things to over there, So

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I, I cannot believe that people would pay to go

skiing and know that's not for me. No,

so so listen, we we got. Um, we got a special guest.

we do

another one,

another one.

but

another one, but

we're going back to M. Philip Houseows, Hey, man's going

I'm doing awesome guys. How are you? good to see again?

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are doing great. Yeah,

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Talk about summer

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summer.

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than hell

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here. so

yeah,

there you go

shit. okay, so we're doing Uh, something different, Uh on on this

episode where we, we invited Philip once again to pick his top five

albums of all time,

all time.

So it's gonna. Yeah,

not an not an easy task. This was really

No,

hard.

not any ask.

right,

Okay. So are you good to go, because I, I, I'm so anxious to to see what

you picked, so just jump right into.

Yeah, so we short of the top. The only one I have in

Yeah,

order is number one. The other ones are just

Yeah,

two through five. Can't I can't put those in any

me.

order. I just can't do it. I try. it's impossible

yeah,

okay.

for gold,

So what you got for us? What's the first one? Yeah, anywhere,

so it to start from anywhere from two. not not number one. Uh,

yeah,

know anywhere you want?

okay, because I've got okay since I've got two Beatles albums on this on this

short list will start with one of them a rubber soul.

Yeah? yeah,

okay,

okay,

yeah,

Um, It was tough to.

It was tough to not fill all five with

yeah,

Beatles records, which I could have easily done.

Um,

but rubber sold to me because I'm a such a huge fan of the early period as

well, a lot of people kind of shy, a shy away from which I don't understand

because it's It's fucking genius. Um, it's the beles, Uh, but I love that one

because it was just when they were it. Revolver is even more towards the new

later, like you know, late Sixties sound, and Rubber Soul is kind of the one

that's right in between

what they were going to be and what they had been. I mean every record is

different. You know. Every record with them is completely different and they

grew every time they push boundaries with every single album and this one I

love

because it's right when they were just about to. You know.

Two records from then was completely different two years from then, which is

insane to think about that what they were doing every year.

Um,

Mhm, Mhm, Yeah,

yeah, yeah,

So, and it's this one's so cool because when I got my Hokner bass, Uh, like

last year. I think E or La early this year. I just got one 'cause my friend

Uh, was selling one. I bought one for Michael Wagner. He was selling Uh, all

his guitars and I went and bought his pocket. And um, so this for fun from my

own, I was starting to pick out Beatles Bay lines, 'cause Mccartney's my hero

and everything. Um, and so I s wentli for a lot of rubber soul stuff. And it

was really. It hit me this what the album title meant. It is their soul in r

and B album completely, Especially if you listen to the bass and you weren't

all those baselines. It is like you're playing motow songs

yeah. yeah. Paul Mccartney is a great bass player.

and it's he got so much from Jamerson and from all that stuff. And like when

you

Yeah,

listen to it and you isolate the bass. you're like you're playing. Uh, drive

my car. Do I'm done Di, or it, don't dit to it. It's like respect. it's just

Mhm, Mhm,

like

yeah,

Wow, this is. really. it's it's You can tell

that's so cool.

how much and how hard they were listening to that stuff at that time 'cause

it. really. all that stuff reflects what they were doing. That's a big one.

So,

Yeah, but

you play bass with them

with Ace Freeley, right.

right, Yeah,

yeah. so so but you start out playing guitar or was it

started up on guitar and then started

yeah?

playing based on. by necessity. Really, I took the bass gig just because when

I counted when we got when we got the ace when we got the Ace tour, I

countered four guitar players. I'm like. Well, that's not going to work. so I

just kinded I when I did it Because Mccartney, when, when it came time that

have a bass player

Paul went. I guess I'll do it 'cause John and George Bu went. I'm not playing

pass and then so Paul, I said like I'll do it and I'm really glad I did

because I love. I really, really, really love playing bass. Um,

yeah?

and it's fun playing

Uh, all those old Kiss tunes Because Jean was such a Mccartney guy and I

learned a

yeah, yeah, yeah,

lot by watching Gene play. not knowing that I was going to be the bass player

for you know, his ex bandmte. Um, I did learn a lot by watching him and and

most of the band. Most of the music that we talked about with Jee was the

Beatles and so you know, his baselines are very, very walkcky Mccartney r and

B type. so it all goes together. You know very well,

yeah, yeah, especially the later ones. I know. I'm a big huge fan of

Unmasked

Yeah,

So and he does? I. I don't think he plays all the base on on that one,

but still you can hear it

y.

when when he's is going off, it's

but even like, even like strotter,

yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. now that you say it, yeah,

that is one of them his best and co gin is cool. Um,

yeah, you' right.

they always had really

fun

moving bass lines. He was not like a stick on the root type bass player. He

was always walking around and all, I can't really think of one off handd that

isn't like that. That isn't moving and really like we didn' listen to it

like. well, that's pretty fuck and clever. You know. it's really good. he's

Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

He

Yeah,

doesn't give himself enough credit and I think how good a musician and how

good a Bas player he is.

No. but, but I, I'm guessing that's not the way he thinks he. He just

wanted wants the the song to be good,

exactly

and he, if for him, it doesn't care who who plays what.

Ex, exactly he played

So, yeah,

guitar. I, I learned it on a lot of the Kiss stuff. Um, he would play of his

songs like he'd play guitar, and sometimes the ace would play bass. Um, I

know on you know, and you can hear. You can tell. now I can watchj.

yeah,

Jean's playing guitar on Doctor Love. that's him.

yeah, yeah,

He's playing guitar and got love for sale, you know, and a lot of his tunes.

he's playing guitars. You can kind of hear him because he's got. there's not

really any finesse. It went on

yeah.

and he would tell you that he's like I've got caveman hands, you know, and he

kind like theren ba, you know, but you can kind of hear it now. Um, and on a

lot of that stuff he didn't play bass. On some he did. Um, but some of it,

you know, he'd get Ace to do some. And yeah, he just wanted to be right. He

didn't care

who. So' you know, not

yeah.

really a big ego when it came to that stuff. He's wells

no, no,

a salary Better, you know, he really didnt come

yeah,

out the music first.

yeah,

Mhm,

that's really cool. Oh wow. So so wherere out the boxes right now?

Robert Soul right there with the Beatles. That so cool.

Yep,

So

what's up next?

uh, let's do um again in no order. but this is just two. three, five, uh,

Airsmith rocks,

Yeah?

Okay, there you go.

which that people normally go to toys or rocks for one of their favorite

errors with albums. But rock is one of my favorite of all the time. It's

absolutely

yeah,

perfect.

that's

It's just you

a good one right there.

and it's always cool to put

you know a a band that you like or an album that you really really like in

the time.

So you're like you know nineteen seventy six. You have the who you have. The

Stones, If you have the example, you had humble pie, You had kiss, you had

wings. You know, you had all the Deep Purple. You had all these things

happening

and it's so cool to listen And it was cool. It was all rock and roll, but it

was all different. There was room for everything

Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

and Aosmith at this at those two records. In this one in particular, It's so

it. It's so unique sounding. It doesn't sound like any other band or any

other recording

around that time. It sounds so different. It sounds so different that I

can't. I have a hard time telling what kind of guitars an ampsta played. They

just sound like Joe and Brad.

You know

Yeah. yeah. yeah.

what I mean? it's not like. Is it's part

of course.

of Marsll, That's a strat that the defender, you know it. It's they don't

have that. There's all this like.

What is that? What even is that and using cool instruments like the the six

string bass on Back in the saddle, Every song on that has a cool

different thing in it.

And um,

yeah.

and and we, I was in a thing that we did. We learned the record and played it

top the bottom in order.

A lot of those guitar parts should not sound right together. because they'

they. They completely clash.

and

yeah.

I'm not sure who I know N I got to ask night Bob more questions about this

'cause not Bob's out with this with today's fily. He's up front the house, so

he was.

Oh cool. Oh man.

He was aerirspths guy. During this whole period, he was in the recording of

his

album. I don't know who helped arrange the stuff, but the arrangements are

yeah. I know. Yeah. all right.

completely out of like

regular text, Bookook, rock and roll arranging and the writing too. It's so

unique and it's so special

and like it's just so great and it sounds so awesome And every song on it is

just.

yeah. I. I mean,

it's

you got some real classics. I mean back in the Satdle,

every. every note is in place and it's recorded

Yeah,

correctly and it sounds right and it's performed right and it's like there's

not an out of no

noise or out of place noise on that whole album.

wing, the salies, Actually one of my all time favorite evers. make

Yeah,

songs. I mean, it's

and that one.

man, old man.

it just it's just cooks. The whole time and that's pretty much yard birds

rave up at the end. I mean it,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can hear influences. Yeah,

it that may love that stuff. That one combination is is one of my outside

greatest with. But they you got get the let out um wick in a promise. you

Mhm, Mhm,

know it. Just

yeah, man,

it doesn't sick as a dog, which is not one of my favorite airsma'

a dog. Yeah,

stngs all the time, And it just doesn't stop.

no,

Yeah, yeah,

And it's I didn't really realize it. Jeremy can attest to this 'cause meet me

and Jeremy Asbrock ro on the thing together and we were listening to

yeah,

this stuff and figuring out going this is this is right. This is what they

this stuff and figuring out going this is this is right. This is what they

played. But this should not

played. But this should not

work,

you know, And it's just so out there and it's just so creative. It really is

one of the most creative rock albums I think by

anybody, and the cover is amazing, too. It's like the Five diamonds.

yeah, I think so. too. yeah. all right.

yeah, it is it is.

I mean you talk about this on on and when you' on last

with us,

Asmith was a huge part of your life since your brother

Yep,

was into As as well and you discovered a rock role through There

Yeah,

is there.

Did he have

some of the favourite ones that he picked up and said, You will go with

this first

he had,

kind of lad, You on?

so this is probably in. I sort of digging around in seventy eight or seventy

nine. I'm three and four on those years, so he had everything up until like

live bootlegs. So he had the first five and for some reason

I, I think toys in the attic was because it had toys on the cover. I'm three

years old, you know, and then these rocks I remember looking at that picking

it up like this is. I don't understand it,

but it's really cool. I don't know why I'm three years old and I'm attracted

this. and then you took it out and then it had the cartoon of them on the big

gatefold, Um. so that was fascinating to me. The drawing. It was such a cool

drawing of them on stage and then you foot they over and then it had the

little Mindy pictures, the montage of all the tiny bollings of them on stage

off stage. Just you know being an Aersmith, and you know I, I stared at that

thing forever, so I remember very vividly. Um, one of my, probably my first.

I don't remember a lot as a kid when I was so really young and small. But

this I remember. for sure, Like listening to that with headphones on just

staring,

literally glued

to this to to the to the sleeve the record sleep, just staring at it and look

at at every picture over and over again To listening to it and just it just

sounds. It's just one of those things. It's just you know. I'm lot of

nostalgia for me too, but good God, what an awesome album.

Yeah? yeah, really.

You know. It's cheerst mind blowing. Still. It's like so creative and it's so

unique sounding. still,

I mean those first records. Those are like the bluepnt print. The Bro

and

roll right there. I mean twice in the at rock, as we mention an man.

Yeah, and

copied by a lot. but

Yeah,

not match. I mean you really can't. it's. it's just such a. I mean, the they

had the They took the Stones prototype, two guitars, you know, We singer, and

that kind of thing. Uh, but the sound of it and you know, in a we, you know,

of course they liked all the the good had all the good influences Stones

Beatles. you know, De Partk Five and Yarnbrds all that stuff. but they just

turned it into and it's cool when you listen to the first one and it's just

it's

yeah,

straight blues rock record. It's great,

but

it is. it is.

Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

way went into. I mean it when it turned into. I, I think it culminated with.

They're all great. I mean I. I. I love. You know a lot of their O, a lot of

their all of their albums, but I think rock is just like. It's such a special

special album and a special time. They weren't too fucked up yet. Um, they

could still. You know. it was really thinging. They were kind of getting ins

and stuff at the time and they could still perform and function really well.

Um, and man, and if you did, did you guys know about the ▁lyrics, Stephen

Towler, leaving the ▁lyrics in the cab?

No.

No. No.

You had to rewrite the entire record.

What

He had he had. I think he had it. It was either done or it was almost done.

He had every all the ▁lyrics of all the songs written in this big book and he

left it in a Ca.

So

Oh, Jeez,

so it was he had to rewrite the and rewrite the entire album. All the ▁lyrics

of the album. This, I mean, the songs were already though the music was done.

but I mean rewrite the the ▁lyrics for the for the songs. So yeah, so who

knows what was in that that he forgot

yeah, yeah, yeah,

and didn't And you know he had to rewrite something different. I, I think

and didn't And you know he had to rewrite something different. I, I think

you. I think he wrote pretty cool stuff. Whatever it was. it's It's some of

you. I think he wrote pretty cool stuff. Whatever it was. it's It's some of

awesome awesome ▁lyric and melodities in there. So

awesome awesome ▁lyric and melodities in there. So

wow.

would would love to be that that cab?

yeah, and it's never turned up. It's ever turn like an

auction's like I got the missing ▁lyrics. That you'd some. You'd think they'd

No, it's crazy.

turn up on some S. high dollar, you know, music auction, rock and roll

auction or something.

Yeah. yeah.

Yeah,

oh

man, for

yeah, that's

in a ca.

even crazier when they got it done. It's like. well, I guess I got to start

over.

oh, man,

Oh man. So

were. Oh, were' happening right now, Robert Soan meets rocks. So what's

up next?

Um,

Were you taking us?

uh, I'm gonna do. Let's see the rest of my albums are kind of very well put

together albums And I wanted to pick one that just sounded like a band

playing in the room, And that's Van Han one,

H. Oh, yeah,

Yeah?

and that's just that's another one. That you know it. It sounds like the

future and it's it will. It will always sound like the future. It will. It'

never have. like. Oh yeah, that sounds like the Seventies. It's like it

sounds like

Mhm, Mhm,

it doesn't matter what year you're in. It never sounds dated. Um, it. Just

those guys were just playing in the room. That's what they sounded like

playing.

you know,

yeah,

And that's I picked

it's crazy

one. and because the rest of, like, the rest of them were very produced. Put.

Well, I mean, Ted and Don put his put their stamps on it for sure, but that's

kind of what they sounded like playing life, which is amazing when you think

about a band that could just do that. You know,

Mhm, Mhm,

crazy.

Yeah, that's a great record.

I think they were. I can't think of who was. I know Dave was oldest. I think.

Um, but I know Eddie was twenty one when they were cutting that record

Oh man.

and a lot of the songs. If you know Van Halen, you know they had

you when they were doing demos in seventy six to seventy seven. They had a

lot of the songs written that went through.

You know what even went

went went through, Um, different kind of truth, you know they.

yeah.

they all. They kind of went back and found old cool rifts. Um. so they had

all those songs written when, like you know, some of all, but Eddie was a

teenager.

Um. on the restless.

Did you mention anything about Van Helen be cause he was there wing in

in the middle of it,

What's that? Oh, yeah? yeah, yeah, he.

Jean. Yeah, did he mention anything as he talked about it?

yeah, he talked about. Yeah, whenever whenever you wear Van Han shirt around

him, he'd go. You know I discovered Van Helen,

and he'd tell you the story of him seeing them at the Charwood, Uh, he took

Bby. Buell, Actually ruing him and Bby with Um and saw,

uh, saw Ban Halen.

And you know then then you know, try to get him a deal and you know really

was pretty fair about the thing he said. If I can't do anything, I'll tear it

up, But he got you know. He took him to New York and they did demos, And you

know he tried to get him with a coin, but didn't look out, But um, yeah, Jean

saw it and he the next day he took Paul and he took to see it and then Paul

was just like Good God, you know, it had to be. It

Mhm, Mhm,

had to be like

seeing that. it had to be just like you. What am I looking at, You know to

Yeah, yeah. yeah.

see that, Get them in a club doing that and seeing Eddie play that way, And

you know Ted

Mhm,

Templeman says that he. he put ad in the Charlie Parker

category when he saw and play. It's like this guy's this. This is not rock

guitar. This isn't even like. this is otherwldly. You know Tad saw it, Um,

and so, uh yeah, and that first record just has so much

energy. It's like when you listen to it, it sounds like it sounds like the

sound is coming out of the walls

and like the

Yeah,

paint on. Uh, it doesn't sound like its came of these speakers. And I can't

think of another album that said that has that in it. It just sounds like

it's

really just surrounds you and it's just like

now there' special.

Yeah.

it it. It sounds like coming out of the air.

It's really amazing.

I wonder if Pauling, I wonder if Paul and Je felt like Oh, we're in

trouble now.

I know well recently with Paul twed that thing about Dave, and said, I saw

'em and then went. There's a new sheriff in town 'cause they did. They did

change everything

yeah.

you know, 'cause they, you know, when they were open for Black Sabbath in

seventy nine, all the guys in Sabbath were. Go. still they go. They killed us

every night

'cause

Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

it's funny when you look at that like Sabbath had only been a band for ten

years, but they were in seventy eight. seventy nine. They were considered

dinosaurs. You know, So was

yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah.

▁zeppelin. This bloated rock

machine, you know you're like W. Wow. Really, 'cause Palk had already

happened. It was like it was a lot of things were. It was moving and fast

forward compared to. now you know, Rock and roll was a you know, a, a snotty

nosed teenager at that point, And so

yeah.

things were really really happening very fast and changing very quickly. And

so you know

you had those guys and you had the stones, which at that were extra

dinosaurs, 'cause they were around just the you know early sixties, and then

you had Boston and Foreigner and things like that which I love, and it was

considered very corporate rock.

and it it's funny to listen to to interviews with the Van Halen guys, But

when they talk about that time when they were getting signed, they kind of

say rock and roll was dead,

'cause it

Hm,

was vaed. Everything

Oh,

was very disco, heavy and and and

yeah,

dance music heavy, and and that movement was kind of happening, and nobody

knew how long that was goingnna last.

So

Van Halen is kind of credited with one of the groups, or maybe the main group

that brought back rock and roll and gave it a shot in the arm where it was.

You know, very, very exciting. and

um, you know,

and you can hear it just all about.

I mean, I don't think, I mean, I look at music back then I, I'm still like.

Wow, there was a lot of great stuff, but apparently it had taken a di. You

know, if you were

around

hm,

Yeah. yeah,

then it's always different when you're living in it. you know. Wouldn'tb

walking back? you know, I can't. I

yeah, of course,

yeah,

don't have like a really good gauge, but it's always kind of interesting

don't have like a really good gauge, but it's always kind of interesting

looking at how they they see like nineteen, seventy seven, seventy eight is

looking at how they they see like nineteen, seventy seven, seventy eight is

like a dead time for rock and roll. you know,

like a dead time for rock and roll. you know,

yeah. But it's it's sort like when, when you, when you hear Van Hale,

and and you listen to the interviews, it's they were in it for the

music. they didn't. I. I'm guessing that they didn't. I mean Edin Halen,

his. his. Yeah, will, his ad in Halen. But but it's the fame that was

like on a different level, cause I, I was watching Jerry Trail from

Alison Jains, He talked about Eddie right right after he passed, and he

said Well, Eddie was a sweetheart. We were struggling and I, I didn't

have my have any gear and said, Wow, it's cool. I'll hook you up and he

was staying at A at a friend's house, and all of a sudden, Uh, he went

went and tour with Allson Janes, And then he came back and I said the

guy who was living with. I say you, You got to move your stuff out of my

out of my garage. What he mean stuff? And and they rolled it up and it

was filled with equipment, guitars amplifiers. And so so who's this

from? Yeah, it's from Edvan

Yeah,

Helen. What?

Yeah,

So he? he? He just put everything in there in this tighty little

garage. And and and yeah, he said Well, that was Eddie.

and I right after his.

Yeah, after his passing, I, I still have to edit the show together, but I

added. Um. I interviewed some guitar player friends. I know that actually

knew him and had stories. I interviewed. Um. Sak and Scotty from Skidro, Um,

Damon Johnson interviewed him and they all have the same stories. said. Yep,

Yeah.

Eddie gave a gear. It's

yeah.

like the way he did it'. like. Oh, I'll seeen you

yeah.

some stuff. it' like he sent him himself. He, he always, he, never, like you

know, backed out of it or never came through on that. He would always do that

for people and he didn't like. He was very kind of reclusive. He didn't like

parties and stuff he wanted. He wanted to sit in his room and and play

guitar. That's what he

yeah.

liked to do, and that's what he wanted to do with chord music. And he, once

he had the studio, put you on fifty studio. He just recorded all the time.

you know, there's just tapes and

that's so cool.

tapes and tapes and tapes and tapes and tapes of all kinds of stuff, So yeah,

the, I mean, I. it was hard to pick a Van Halen record To be honest, Um with

the. The first one was the first one that I heard, and it's still really

special and it still has this thing that a first album has, and in in

particular their first album has that

Yeah. yeah. I know.

no other record has that kind of just electric. just

blastic energy off

Mhm,

off the out of the speakers or off the

Yeah.

Bnl or out of the C. D. Whatever you're listening to it, you know, and it

sounds

a classic.

great and it. still. it sounds very a phone speaker.

You know.

yeah,

That's the amazing about it when it sounds more

yeah,

it does.

on on A. It still sounds liked Van Hills guitar through a phone speaker, you

know, and that's

yeah.

it's a. that's amazing.

that's amazing

Mhm.

right there. How cool. So okay we. We're getting close. So what you got

for us next?

Uh, let's do so. My other, uh, My last of the non number one group is is uh,

▁zeppelin two.

Hm,

Oh? oh

Okay, yeah, yeah,

And it's it's another one that I kind of w. w listened to early on and uh,

Apparently I listen to it as a really young young young kid 'cause my

brother. I remember seeing that covered as well then when I got some C Ds. As

a teenager that was one of the ones I got, and like you started, and from the

first breath

before a lot of love. I was like, Oh my God,

yeah. yeah,

I haven't heard that. I must have listened to it as a three and four year old

and not since then. I didn't know what that was because everything sounded

familiar

and that's a

yeah,

cool thing, too. It's like

it is. it is.

Oh, wow, and um

again, every song,

Um, is just incredible and that and it, and for the time

you know, when they were recording it in sixty nine and it was their second

album that year, You know.

Mhm,

In sixty,

yeah,

This someone, come on sixty eight, sixty nine.

uh,

I, I get.

sixy nine, I think.

so I think it

Yeah, nine,

was something two out. Get't here. So yeah, they were doing two albums in a

year, and they were recording this one on the road. Is you can see them on

that tour all holding tapes,

and um to be a piecemealed album like that, and

also like,

I remember hearing some interviews with Plant and he was talking about doing

the vocal tracks and he'd have to go ah, right before the guitar because it

was on was on the same track as the guitar 'cause they'll probably de it.

They're probably dealing with eight track at this point.

Um,

and uh, so he would have to do his scream like right before the guitar,

because he couldn't record over the guitar and just how they recorded it and

how well it's recorded it. Just

Mhm,

it again. It still sounds better than things today.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Yeah, Yeah, it does,

and it's just in incredible. How well P. what a great producer Page Page

really really was and produced.

yeah, yeah,

He knew exactly what he wanted that man to sound like, And it's it's just

amazing.

Mhm,

and even a without

the the Robert Loudwig monstering, you've heard about that one?

Oh, was it the one that that the bass jumped out of the? Yeah,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm looking for that. That's a Holy Gil.

That's a ho. That's a hard way to find on vinyl. I've got a

it is.

digital copy of that I have in my

yeah.

vi tenency. You can't really think. but

Oh

yeah, yeah, the first master took Bas. If it's still the Ba, if there's so

much bass on it. still,

Um, the album that is just incredible.

yeah. yeah. yeah. have you hear? Have you heard it on vinyl? Have you

I've never heard that one on Finalnyl,

that that?

No, me, neither, me

No,

neither or so.

Mhm,

I'm im. I'm still looking for that one, but it's a great sounding album

altogether. But, oh man, to be able to to see what? What freaked those

Oh, god,

guys at Atlantic, I mean, you've heard a story right

on on when when the label manager he heard that he is, I think it was

his niece or daughter. one of those like Kitty players

yeah,

and she put it on and the needle jumped

right out of there. Oh, you got to domaster. This. It's crazy. You can't

put this out.

oh, that's

Um,

amazing. it was.

it is. it is.

That was probably the first record that

I, I went. Oh, that's a bass guitar or that's what a bass guitar can do.

Probably

Yeah,

I can't think of anything before

that that I really was like. Wow,

such a genius.

you

know,

Yeah,

Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

and it really does sound my, and then on headphones all the panning and stuff

that

Yeah,

Theyre not there.

Theyre not there.

yeah, yeah, it.

You know. it's so cool. You know.

yeah,

yeah, it is.

that's stuff. but you know, I don't even know people do that anymore with

that's stuff. but you know, I don't even know people do that anymore with

records. You know. it's just

records. You know. it's just

No, and they, they were also like like Asmth. I think ahead of that time

yeah,

Mhm,

doing doing the music like that. I mean to.

doing doing the music like that. I mean to.

just really, and then A. again. When you think about when this came out, the

Beatles were still together.

Yeah. it's crazy.

you know their Um. Abbey Road

Wow,

was going to come out that same year

and it's cool when you listen to like. it was really splintering off. Now

it's like there was this really

Mhm.

heavy area that music was going. Sabbath was a banded at this

Yeah,

time too, And Dee Purple was making so early records. and there was

definitely a split.

You know. Um, and it's just cool and you like I love doing that. We' like all

the Beatles are still together. You know the Aden Road was coming out when

I'm

yeah, yeah,

not. I'm not sure

Yeah.

what month. actually, ▁zepp. One two came out. Abbey Road. Iy, Rod was toward

the end of the year was in the winter. I think so.

yeah. okay. I think so. yeah,

um, but yeah, it's I. I love doing that like when you look at the history of

of, and you know what was going on

musically, politically and socially, I around a record 'cause you cant

isolate an album or a band, you know, and go like it. The whles couldn't get

signed today. That's the most asonine comment that anybody can make, Y. You

can't just

yeah, yeah.

remove

anything and place it in present time. You know it'sossible

Oh, it's It's

impossible. It's yeah, it

right. yeah.

is. it is. but it still I I wonder what what people like the beatle

So it's always cool with.

thought about like Letd ▁zeppelin, when, if if they thought oh, w, like

like it was when when Paul and Jean heard Van Halen, Oh, it's game over

now

Yeah, I, I

whole lot of love.

wonder you know what. There's I got to listen to this. there is. Um.

there's a Youtube a clip of George Harrison, Um, and

Yeah,

I think it's during the Let It B

sessions.

oh,

I think it's

okay,

when they're filming the The movie and I, I think it's in there where it's

either. the ▁zeppelin, for Sean was the first Jeff Backack record.

I

can't think. I can't think of he wass making fun of it like. Oh, you heard

oh, okay, all right,

this or he? I can't think, but that I got to find it now, but they, they

weren't. I

yeah,

mean, definitely aware of it and there's a photo of

I think Paul and Linda and David Gilmore at one of those famous uh ▁zeppel,

Earls Court shows in like

oh, okay,

seventy three, I think or seventy four. When they put

yeah, yeah,

Earlless Court. Those two they, they did several big big big shows there, So

yeah, they were all kind of aware and I, I. I. I got to go now and find that

because I'm not sure if George was digging it or if he was just like. Can you

I have to go there, too. I listened to it. Oh man,

believe this?

Yeah,

Yeah, it's pretty. it's pretty cool. but yeah, they were all aware they had

to be. You know, 'cause it was a big.

yeah,

It was a big thing.

It was a big thing.

yeah, cause they. ha. it had to be something special even back then. I

mean to be to be able to to put that sound out there. I mean you think

you, when you hear a whole lot of lot for the first time, you had to be

as as a musician or as a teenage or like whoever. it must have struck a

accord with people.

Yeah, if you were in the recording business at all, you heard that it.

Probably because it. the you know, Jeckback truth was a big, was a big step

forward. And then you. The first ▁zeppel album was that had to be them That

took it that much further. And I think if you were in the business at all, it

was something to. and if you didn't like it or not, you realize that it was.

This is something that's going to stick around. You know this is going

Mhm, Mhm,

to. It's going.

you know. this really heavy blues thing the Stones started, The Yard Bird

Star is going into this weird different direction that became heavy metal.

But was it called

heavy metal. Then you know.

Yeah, yeah,

Oh man,

I always say I was born like fifteen years too late, cause it would have been

so awesome to see all these bands play live all these, you know, like I never

got to see ▁zeppelin live or any of these bands, and E even ▁jimmy Hendrix, and

all that it was just such a great time for music. So many different styles.

Like you were saying, it was splittering off. and uh, it was just so awesome

back then and

yeah, yeah,

I miss that. I mean, E, even like ▁zeppliin, like ▁zepplin two. You popped that

on today And it's

Mhm.

It's so amazing and you' like Jesus Christ. This is so good. This is awesome.

It's so good. It's the riding and the and the care at which you can tell

everything was put. But then they were making records so fast

Mhm,

and that's what. It's just like. Wow, They weren't laboring over anything.

you know. they weren't uh. one of the one of the ones that was. That is one

of the ones that didn't make the thing it should have, but a machine had deep

purple machine head. Um, that's another one that you think that everything

just labored over, But no, they did it in like two weeks

writing and

that's crazy.

it's not

recording like I had somee ideas. But they'd write in there then play it. And

recording like I had somee ideas. But they'd write in there then play it. And

and it doesnt make sense to me. it's like how can you be that gun and that

young and

Yeah,

and that proficient and just so quick, And you come up with the the right

part that quickly, Um, it. It was just

's crazy.

all you know, They, they cared a lot about it and they were they focused on

it. So, um,

a complete monacical focus on on a thing upon a project. and um, yeah, it's

just incredible when you think that how long it takes bands to do records

now, and it's like Oh, they were cranking ' out back then.

Wasn't it like forty eight hours for a Black Sabbot's first

album or something like that?

Give thirty six

Thirty

jeez jeez,

jeez jeez,

they. They just played it down. I think it was that and I think it was the

first Beatles Alt twelve.

Jeez, Oh man.

They just played their set

and they did like, you know,

all the parts and all the harmonies and everything else? Ohe,

maybe one or two tapes of everything, and that was it, 'cause I mean they

were just so well rehearsed and fine tuned both of those bands when they

yeah,

cut those. And yeah, yeah, Sabbots just went and played.

Yeah, I mean it' it's crazy.

twelve hours for Beatles.

Yeah,

Oh,

damn

Yeah,

okay. so Philip, we got number one. were up to number one. So what you

got for us?

it might be predictable, but it's Abbey Road.

Oh

Okay,

cool.

It was

there you go.

and that on on most days that you askedk me this question. That's going to be

my number one.

Yeah.

that's most consistently top.

there you go.

So why is it number one?

um,

What's so special about it?

uh, it's I don't know. It's just it. It's kind of. it's the last one they did

together, Not the last one released. That's the last one they worked on

together. Um,

and it just it's also the first one they did with a solid state board,

Um. the mixing console, And you can really tell it's it is a lot cleaner.

Um, not, the other ones are filthy dirty sounding, law power or something,

but you know there is a difference like a start difference when you listen to

this one vers the other ones and I love all of them, but this one does. for

some reason, A and a and a again. When you still was on headphones, Um, and

the new

Atmos mixes,

that place, place everything like in height, and also like not left and

right, but it's around their fucking phenomenon and you listen

Yeah, Mhm,

Yeah, they are

to it in a whole new,

in a whole new light. And I mean Ive, I've listened to this thing thousands

of times. I know every single noise

that's in this record. I know every single background movies. it's in this

record. and listen to those Atmos mixes. I'm hearing you hear new stuff

and um,

it's I don't know. It's just one of those things. You you? You cannot skip

anything. Even Maxwell silver hammer. you can't skip. Um,

and uh it is. Everything just sounds just immaculate. It's just like

you know. it's just like the higher power of the Divine was just there and

everything. Talk about a perfect perfect record.

Mhm, Mhm,

You know. that's just man. Humans shouldn't be able to make something that

good.

You know. it really doesn't make sense. and I again,

none of them were, Were, were thirty years old. At this point,

Mhm,

Now it's crazy to think about nothing.

You know Ringo and John were were twenty nine.

Yeah, yeah,

Uh, and

it's nuts.

that I. I, it just doesn't make any sense. and uh that people can be that

proficient and like something like that when you get to the second side, not

not discounting anything from the first side, But when you get to the second

side and the The menty and the piecemeal medley, Um, you never give me your

money.

It is like five songs

and and I don't even know if it's two minutes, 'cause that's the become of

the beginning of the of the big medley.

Yeah,

Mhm,

That thing is just in incredible. It really is I, and you don't. everything

it. everything segu so well and I'm onlyu. I'm only talking about. You never

give me your money right now that one piece.

Mhm.

everything works so well when it goes from park to part top that you don't

realize it until you learn it and you're like. What the fuck?

It's just completely.

It's different songs.

It's it. it modulates keys and you don't even know it. And it it. that's just

a masterful thing. I don't even know. I don't even know how long time wise it

is, but it sets the

do.

whole. It sets the pace for the rest of the the record, and you know the Ra.

the rest of the medley, which is just unreal.

do you? Yeah?

hm,

do you think that that's why musicians always have such high regards for

for the beatle,

especially for Abb Road. Do you think that's that's why?

I, I think so. I think it was a comulbination of uh, of everything with them,

and when you meet everything, I mean recording playing and writing,

Mhm?

Uh, and singing, you know, and then arranging to which was a lot. George

Martin was he was. he was. He was the fifth beatle When it came to all that

all that stuff,

genius

but you know the recording techniques I, I get. like I said earlier, people

liked to kinda poopoo the early period, but they

weree pushing boundaries from note one. Oh, please please me, and they didn't

stop and they always

were doing

pushing the guys. you know, the engineers at A at e m, I studios, which it

was called back then, were wearing lab coats. They were in white labcoats.

They were scientists

in the pictures. it's crazy.

and there were. they were very regimented on what they could do and they

didn't like anything that the Beatles were asking them to do and reluctantly

doing them. Um, and you know that that's stuff started early on with them.

they? they? they didn't wait until Rubber Soul to push boundaries. You know

they were pushing them the entire time. And they,

you know, in recording techniques and recording gear and outboard, Uh,

devices were being invented because of what the Beatles were asking those

engineers to do.

Um, and it's just whenning and again, like when they were doing that. they

Yeah, that's crazy.

were twenty.

Really,

Yeah, it was

I, I like in sixty in sixty three.

Um.

George was twenty years old and Paul was twenty one, and it just like when

you think about. I didn't time my shoes at that point, you know, I'm fairly

you. I. I just can't. i. I'm I'm

Mhm,

I'm rereading, Um, this book by Mark Lewisson, who was like the the Beatles

authored. This is part one of this trilogy

Mhm.

And it's about. it's called Tune in And it's It stops at sixty three

and it's a thousand

Okay

pages.

Oh, wow,

And so I'm I'm rereading that.

man,

And And and it's just it's unbelievable. How like it's fun to read about when

they were forming and they were snot those asshole teenagers.

And you know, getting in fights and and rough. I mean, it had to be from

where they were from. but you you really

Yeah,

learn well how important Rirpool was

in

and

it. That was the fifth member of the of the band. you know, the

yeah,

set the town they were from, Uh, when they were when they were forming. Um,

and it's so cool to to, you know how, they just kind of started writing songs

and were so confident And they

bands like that didn't exist when they were when they formed that band. It

was. you know, Rory, storming the Hurricanes, It was so and so in the so and

soes, you know it. it was Elvis. You know, it was a

Mhm,

guy and a backing band, You know a ban. It didn't exist, That had three sing,

and they wrote their own songs and then E. Even that was groundbaking. I

still think the Beatles are underrated.

I got. I.

Wow,

They people don't really understand what really they did and how much they

changed the entire thing with every single record And

I guess I go with Abbey Roe, just because from it's personal favorite for me,

and just um, the sound of it is just incredible and it's very sparse. It's

not. It's not real layer, like they had done the tape loop thing and Pepper

is very busy and met Myy tour, super tripping and very busy, and the white

album was extremely like, you know, had some stuff like that, but really

really stripped down. They kind of went back to basics on that one a lot, and

recording lot on their own, and I think it came back as a unit even though

John Lennon was out for a bunch of this 'cause he was in a car accident, so

he missed a lot of the recording of this. Um, but it seems like they came

yeah. Mhm.

back to Abby Road to do one more really nice one 'cause they had already

done, Let him be and tried that and it. They hated it and then so they like

Let's do one more. And it is it does Does seem like everybody really put on

their you know a game face and and and and and really did A. A. A great. like

you know, ridiculous album that you know. And the cover

Yeah. Well, it is a great one. It's a classic.

is just fantasity, too. It renamed

Mhm,

the studio. You know, they renamed the

studio

Yeah,

Yeah. yeah, yeah,

Abbey Road Studios, you know, it full F.

and yeah, you see there it came over.

They. really they have.

yeah,

they renamed. They read it for the albumt, But yeah, it's just everything.

Everything about it's great. I want you see. So heavy is is Re is so

crushing. It's just one. a cool track that is, and it gets so at the ending

it just gets. so you know, chaotic and and uh and beautiful. It just yeah,

it's awesome.

Have you played all of those songs yourself?

Um,

not all of them.

I've played a lot of them. I never played Maxwell, Um played. I want you.

She's so heavy a lot. Actually, that's a fun one. Be covered. Um

sure comes. a. so,

um, Monica Wholeeen and I, She's my partner in the Beatles duo acoustic duo

that we have. We've toyed with the idea of doing the memo,

seeing if we can make it work for two people. We fucked around with it

before, and it's Ca. We. We've like made it through and it's pretty cool, so

we may try to work that up and and um and do something with it, but you know,

yeah, it's just a. It's a fun to play and it's a fun one to play all the

guitar parts and Mi the phone. When then to go on base. You know to learn

that stuff, toocause, you go. come together. Come together. has to be one of

the like greatest like R and B type rhythm

Mhm, Mhm,

tracks ever. It is just completely nasty. I mean, they were a great R B mann.

They

Yeah,

really really were. And that's a prime example of of that Is that song so

dirty.

cool. all right, so

time to do a Betles marathon. put all the Beatles

yeah,

records on and just start from the beginning and go through it.

Yeah, exactly it. totally, you can be. That'd be great.

It's

Mhm.

amazing and

that's cool.

then you, you look at it. It's like seven years.

Yeah,

All that happened in seven years,

Yeah, have seven years.

that's crazy as crazy.

just amazing. And then they broke up when they were before they were thirty.

you know they was. They were done

Yeah,

as a band with a of a thirty. It's amazing.

but

Yeah,

he, they' record an album in twelve hours, So seven years is a long

Yeah, I mean, that's just amazing and it's

time.

Mhm.

funny when you start learning about Um, Rubber Soul and you start reading

about doing those records. And like you know, theyd have three weeks to do

that one and they and they were like, Oh, wow, we can do. We got some time,

Yeah,

you know, and Revolver was the first one that they really had

some time to do because they had. Uh.

They had had the first part of that year off is turnning into a fucking

Beatles episode That it happens with me.

They had the first part of Sixty six off, which had never happened before.

They were supposed to be their third movie.

Uh, and they didn't

okay, okay,

do. It fell through. And so they had time off for the first time since they

probably like started the ban.

And so that was when they started like Mccartney started going to art

galleries, start to gettingiv into like experimental tank loops and things

like that and George getting into Indian, you know they, they. They were all

kind of um able to go off and kind of try their own stuff. And so Revolver

was the first one and I think they had a little bit more time. They weren't

so pushed, but they didn't have to tour. But then they came back and then it

was redonturing and then you know, and then they started working on Pepper in

the late sixty six, like in December.

H.

So and then they? yeah,

sixty six, it's crazy to think about.

yeah,

yeah,

I mean all the music It's it's nuts.

I mean all the music It's it's nuts.

yeah, and then then when you go in sixty seven,

you know, Henrix's first album came out in sixty seven, So there was already

this big thing. The doors were already happening, you know I, saying the

California thing is is is well happening,

you know, And Motown is going on during this whole period. It stacks

everything and then they're You know. it's really fascinating when you start

looking at everything, you know. The Beatles weren't the only thing going on.

They may have been the biggest thing always going on, but

Yeah. no, no, yeah,

I mean, there was a lots of others stuff to get into, you know,

Mhm.

Yeah, that's

oh man,

what makes us such a great time back then. Was

Mhm.

there was so much going on?

And, and the rate at

Mhm,

which it was happening, the quick rate. it was. Just mind more when you look

at what was happening and how fast everybody was working. And you know

Hendrix was putting out, You know that one put a axfulol' love, and he was

just you know, on this rocket ship. you know,

Yeah,

Um, and the Stones were about to put out some great records, you know, and

all this stuff And you know, the Sammoth ▁zeppeln, were about to come and

shake everything up. And yeah, it's It's pretty pretty incredible.

that is.

oh man. that's a great list.

it is a great list. Yeah,

so so we're gonna run it through once more. Uh, we started out with

Beatles, Robert Soul went into Airsmith Rocks, and then we got Van

Haleing, Withood one, and then we got ▁zeppling, too, and then we

wrapped it all up with Betles Abbey Road,

Mhm, Mhm,

there you go.

and that's a great list.

Yeah, where the machine

Mhm,

had is a kind of a

Yeah,

a

sidemo.

There you go.

Ru up. Yeah,

It kind of a footnote on the list there, which you know that one was just

incredible too.

Yeah,

cool.

that's awesome.

again. That was hard to do. That was really really tough

yeah.

to do. I think I probably got through with it today. like I,

yeah.

I had three down. I like shtch my head going. Where am I going to go from

here? I can pick all

yeah.

beetles albums, but I don't want to do that

socause. You had a thin night space

it's sort of like you. You did make mixed tapes back in the day. which

one should be on there? Which if I give this this cassette over to to a

buddy of mine. Which songs do I want him to listen to and and support?

Mhm,

Yeah, you had.

Yeah, you had.

with toeless. You can put. You can put as many on a playlist as you want.

Either. there is

Yeah, yeah,

no limit to

Yeah, yeah,

space the storage now, but we had. we had a limit to storage. You know,

before

yeah,

you had Bir, and even C Ds have limits.

yeah,

You know,

it's crazy. Well, once again, Philip. thank you so much for being on our

show. It's always great to have you on.

any time, guys. I, I really had a good

And

time. Thank you,

yeah, but

yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.

you're going out W, with Um, with Israeli and ▁l Cooper soon, right.

like three weeks. it's about to start now. Our first

Oh man,

show I think is mid September in New Hampshire, I think it September

eighteenth. Um,

yeah,

and so yeah, it's uh, ever, Ba. As and uh, everything, as far as I know is

go, I've gotten nothing else like everybody's plann on and plan on being

safe. We. We're being regulated more about what we can do. but at

Mhm,

this point I would. I would open the show. so wearing a too, too. If it, if

it ins, everybody to be safe, and we, this whole tour,

yeah, yeah,

Um, oh five weeks tour, Um, we're just so excited to be able to do it, And

when I say we, I mean my entire touring family, Um, in the Alice camp, too,

uh, we're just thrilled. Um that it looks like it's going to happen and we're

just so excited to to get back out and get to work again. You know, so it's

we thrilled.

Alice Cooper and Na freele ban. All right.

What a great package. I mean.

seriously,

yeah, yeah,

Oh man yeah,

that's a really really great bill. I would buy a ticket

yeah,

to that if I wasn't go to be there every night.

yeah, I, I would buy a ticket Two if I was seen the state.

Damn

So yeah, we're we're.

that. that's some great stuff.

We're all just thrilled about it So we we can't wait,

Yeah, cool. thank you

so much, Philip for taking a time once more. Uh, we had a Blas,

awesome, thank you. Yeah,

Phil. Michael. Thank you, and you. Oh, always applies your head out any time.

all right, so shack out as freely on Alice Cooper on tour, and don't

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Nothing.

later.

all. everybody stays

later,

safe and uh, stay

Yes, theyy safe, Yeah, yeah,

safe and have fun, and uh later together any.