Are you a faith-driven leader feeling overwhelmed by high expectations and struggling to maintain balance in your life? Have you been told to simply work harder or pray more to improve your leadership skills, but still feel stuck? It's time to take a different approach. Join us in this episode to discover practical strategies for overcoming common obstacles, building a supportive community, and nurturing the essential qualities of successful faith-driven leaders. Don't let burnout and frustration hold you back any longer. It's time to thrive in your leadership journey.

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Pride and selfishness is really the challenge, the downfall, the kryptonite that many of us, that many leaders have. - Tim Winders

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Reasons to Listen:

• Navigate the intricate hurdles faced by faith-driven leaders, such as high expectations, keeping pride in check, and taming ego.
• Cultivate a rich connection with a reliable support network within your community.
• Utilize essential self-care techniques to avert burnout and maintain a balanced leadership.
• Dive into King David's inspirational journey of overcoming setbacks and redeeming his mistakes.
• Nurture indispensable qualities for flourishing faith-driven leaders, like humility, compassion, and a servant's heart.

Episode Highlights:

00:00:00 - Setting Leaders Up for Failure,

The high expectations that we have for leaders often lead them to think that they can do more than they can, making them arrogant and causing issues.

00:04:25 - Reasons Why Leaders Have Challenges,

Leaders face challenges such as fatigue, burnout, temptation, and stress. They also suffer when the alignment of their actions, words, and faith gets out of whack.

00:08:53 - Strategies to Address Challenges,

Staying connected to a community of support, such as a church or business group, provides accountability, encouragement, and guidance. Leaders must also humble themselves, focus on serving others, and ensure that their words and actions are consistent with their faith.

00:10:46 - Leaders and Fatigue,

Leaders need rest and must not allow fatigue and burnout to lead to physical and emotional exhaustion. They must be cautious of letting their guard down and being around temptation, especially when they are tired.

00:14:02 - Importance of Guarding Against Temptation,

Leaders must guard themselves against temptation, especially when they are vulnerable, stressed, or fatigued. They must avoid putting themselves in situations that could lead to moral or ethical lapses that can damage their faith and reputation.

00:16:13 - Importance of Connection and Self-Care,

Winders emphasizes the importance of being connected with other people and avoiding isolation. He also stresses the significance of prioritizing self-care, including getting rest, exercise, and nutrition.

00:18:16 - Practicing Humility,

Winders discusses the importance of humility as a quality that leaders must practice and continually work on. This includes regularly evaluating motives and actions, seeking feedback and accountability, and being willing to admit fault and seek forgiveness.

00:19:27 - Seeking Forgiveness,

Winders emphasizes the importance of seeking forgiveness for mistakes and failures as a leader. He gives an example of a leader who failed to seek forgiveness and make amends, and stresses that leaders must be willing to take responsibility for their actions and work to make things right.

00:22:28 - Stay Grounded in Faith,

Winders highlights the importance of staying grounded in faith and maintaining a strong relationship with God as a foundation for being a faith-driven leader. This includes regular prayer, scripture reading, and seeking out spiritual mentors and guides for guidance and support.

00:27:11 - Lessons from King David,

Winders discusses the life of King David as an example of a faith-driven leader. He highlights the importance of faith, courage, humility, and compassion, as well as the willingness to take responsibility for mistakes and seek forgiveness. Winders encourages listeners to study the life of King David for inspiration and guidance.

Resources & Action Steps:

• Take the Faith Driven Quiz at Timwinders.com/faithdrivenquiz.
• Stay connected to a community of support, such as a church group or a group of people that can provide accountability, encouragement, and guidance.
• Prioritize self-care by taking time for rest and relaxation, monitoring sleep, and avoiding burnout.
• Set realistic expectations for oneself and others, avoiding putting leaders on pedestals and allowing for mistakes and limitations.
• Guard against pride and ego by remaining humble and focused on serving others, not oneself.
• Ensure alignment between actions, words, and faith, avoiding hypocrisy and maintaining consistency in all areas of leadership.
• Manage stress and deadlines by prioritizing and delegating tasks, seeking help when needed, and avoiding burnout.
• Guard against temptation by avoiding situations that could lead to moral or ethical lapses and staying vigilant in personal and professional conduct.

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We are setting most leaders up for failure.

What do I mean by that?

Well, we have extremely high expectations.

We put them on pedestals.

We think they can do more than they can really do.

So they start thinking they can do more than they can really do.

They start getting arrogant or thinking more of themselves than they should,

and it just really causes issues.

Hello everyone.

Welcome to this episode of Seek Go Create, which is a continuation of

our series on the Faith-Driven Leader.

Today the episode is about Overcoming Challenges, subtitled the Grit and

Grace of Faith-Driven Leadership.

What a great title there.

The Grit and Grace of Faith-Driven Leadership.

I'm Tim Winders, I'm your host.

I'm going to be walking us through a few tips, strategies, a few things

that we can do to overcome challenges or, I guess gird ourselves up,

protect ourselves from challenges.

In this episode today, this is episode four of the episodes we've had.

We've had Unleashing the Power of Faith-Driven Leadership.

Beyond Success, Why Faith-Driven Leadership Matters, and then

Mastering Faith-Driven Leadership, Proven Tips and Strategies.

That was episodes one, two, and three.

Go check those out if you haven't listened to those already.

And then our last episode after this one will be Purpose Driven Leadership.

How Faith Can Transform Your Leadership.

In other words, how we can use all of this to lead others and build our teams.

This is, going to be a fun one because part of what caused me to

begin looking at this were some challenges that I kept seeing in

leaders and leaders in faith circles.

Also, not just people that are out in the world, the unwashed masses,

the Gentiles, so to speak, people that don't really care about faith.

I kept seeing it in people that were church leaders.

People that were business leaders that claimed to be people of faith.

And it just really bothered me.

And so one of the things that I wanted to do was put together something that might

just be a resource that would help those of us that like to call ourselves leaders

that are driven by our faith or that our faith is a foundation of our leadership.

Some tools and resources and things that we can use.

So this episode is really the foundation of that.

We're gonna be looking at some reasons why leaders fall or have challenges or

have issues, and then some things that we could put in place to try to prevent that.

And we've got a biblical example of overcoming challenges and it is

probably the example of all examples that we could pull from the Bible.

And that is King David.

And some, I guess some tips that we could get from his story.

I just actually finished reading it again.

I do a read through the Bible every year, and this year I am doing it not

chronologically like I did last year.

I am doing it from the books of the Bible.

And, I've just finished reading the Book of Kings and everything in

Kings, every leader that says that they either did well or they didn't

do well, they did evil in the sight of the Lord, or they did things well,

it's in comparison back to King David.

So that's why we're going to look at King David shortly.

But let's go ahead and jump into some of the things that I see as

being reasons why we have challenges.

Now there's gonna be just some things that happen, some things that naturally occur,

but then there's also things that we bring on ourselves, some things that are just

naturally going to happen because we are doing things that keep us unprotected.

I guess might be a way of saying it from the things that could come

at us as faith-driven leaders.

Let's look at a list of some of those items that we need to just be mindful of.

First thing let's talk about is expectations.

And this is something that I've been talking about for some time now.

I really do believe that we are setting most leaders up for failure.

What do I mean by that?

Well, we have extremely high expectations.

We put them on pedestals.

We think they can do more than they can really do.

So they start thinking they can do more than they can really do.

They start getting arrogant or thinking more of themselves than they should,

and it just really causes issues.

Leaders often face high expectations from themselves, others, and of

course, because we are faith driven, we many times feel as if God has high

expectations of us, which he does.

I do not think that he doesn't.

But many times the expectations that he has is founded in the grace

that he has, which is knowing that he can provide all that we need to

be the leaders that we need to be.

This can lead to a lot of pressure to achieve, which can really take its toll

on our mental and our physical health.

It can lead to stress and stress truthfully can be the

downfall of most leaders.

We'll talk more about things related to that in just a moment.

So let's just talk about expectations and let's just go ahead right now set

the foundation and say that many times we will allow the expectations that we have,

that others have, that possibly God has to create challenges and issues for us.

Now, the second thing that I want to mention in this area that makes

expectations even more challenging is the ability to compare ourselves

with other people so easily.

In today's culture, in the age of social media, it's so easy for leaders

to compare ourselves to others.

And feel inadequate or inferior, or we can puff ourselves up more than we really

should because we have more followers, more people responding, more engagement.

All of those things that we can have in the era of social media.

This can lead to feelings of arrogance, or it can also lead to feelings of

discouragement and low self-esteem.

And I do want to say this, that one of the biggest challenges I've seen is

when leaders move up the, we'll call it the ladder of success, they get

to a place where it's kind of lonely.

They look around and they are looked upon as an expert, or they're looked

up to by most people around them.

They have very few people that will tell them what they really need to

be told, and then all of a sudden they start questioning themselves.

So they feel as if they might have some low self-esteem, but they have to

keep acting as if they're confident.

And they've got it all together.

They've got their act together.

So it's quite a conundrum that leaders can be in, and it's

because of that comparison.

The comparison that leaders can have.

Let's look at the next thing that can cause issues.

And listen, we know this is the case.

This is biblical.

We see it throughout challenges in the Bible.

We see it through throughout challenges in leadership, and that is pride and ego.

I had someone in a Bible study years ago that every time someone brought something

up, they would say pride and selfishness.

Pride and selfishness.

And you know what?

There's a lot of truth to that, that pride, ego, pride, and

selfishness is really the challenge.

The downfall, the kryptonite that many of us, that many leaders have.

Faith-driven leaders must remain humble and have humility and keep

their focus on serving others, not on themself, but serving others.

However, we know that pride and ego can easily sneak in.

It's like that yeast that can sneak in and lead leaders astray, causing

them to put their own interest or their own selfishness before the

needs of those that they serve.

The next thing that I see start happening, I don't know if this is

building upon itself when we're going through this list here, but many

times that's the way it can start.

The next thing that we see happening is when the alignment of our actions, our

words, and our faith starts getting out of whack, it's really critical for leaders

to ensure that their words and their actions are consistent with their faith.

So many times I've been around leaders or people in leadership positions,

especially in churches, we see this.

I see it a lot in business too, but it seems to be magnified in a church setting,

and that is where you see someone that stands up on stage and they say one thing.

But then you get into a meeting with them, or you get into a conflict

situation, or you get into a situation that's not in front of a lot of people.

I'm doing air quotes for those that might not be able to see me.

They act differently.

It's inconsistent.

You know, that is really the Pharisees or the hypocritical example that we see in

the scriptures that Jesus hated so much.

He was so, tough with the Pharisees and the hypocrites,

and we need to learn from that.

We do not need to be that way.

There just may be times when leaders struggle with temptation

or make mistakes and it can lead to misalignment and it's a slippery slope.

They can justify that they act like a jerk behind the scenes, but just

show love and compassion when they're in front of people and then they get

behind the scenes and they are just not the type leader that they need to be.

That's out of alignment and it's hypocritical.

We do not want to be that way.

This next one is a big one, and I think it's probably the biggest one that

we're facing in the current society or culture, and that is fatigue and burnout.

In general, most people, myself, others, we do not get enough rest.

We get fatigued.

We try to do more than we can actually do, and we just get burned out.

Leaders may find themselves exhausted and drained from the demands of leadership.

This can lead to physical and emotional exhaustion, making it

difficult to maintain a strong faith and sense of purpose.

I find that myself, other people, most leaders, people in leadership

positions think they can operate off of adrenaline, go, go, go.

The hustle culture has really fed into this that they can multitask and do things

to the nth degree like no one else can.

I once thought this way about myself.

But now I'm just realizing I need rest.

I need to slow down.

I need quiet time.

I need to just pause and relax so that I'm not dealing with fatigue and burnout.

I actually right now attempt to monitor how much sleep I

get, more than anything else.

I mean, I get some exercise, I go out and walk and move and do things like

that, but, I've noticed that I don't need to make any big decisions when

I'm fatigued or exhausted, and I think that's a big challenge for many people.

I think that many of the downfalls will go back to faith leaders, people in

church situations that have had situations where they've been unfaithful or things

like that, that it happens when they're tired, they're exhausted, their actions,

words and faith aren't lining up and.

We need to be rested.

We need to not be suffering that burnout.

Next item is related to that, and that is just dealing with deadlines and stress.

If we've got, quarterly things that have to be done in the corporate setting,

or we have weekly things that have to be done in the ministry setting, we've

got deadlines, we've got people that need us, they have to be served right.

Yes, that's the thought that we have.

Leaders are often under pressure to meet deadlines and manage competing priorities.

This can lead to stress, anxiety, and a sense of overwhelm.

And what we attempt to do is just press in, use adrenaline to just overcome.

We can do it.

And because we're faith driven leaders, we have this thought and I think it's false

that God will provide, that he will just equip us and take care of us, and he will.

But you know what?

If we are going at a pace that's unsustainable, Then there's

only so much that can be done there, and rest is so important.

We've got biblical examples of rest and Jesus did it, and so we should do it too.

Deadlines and stress are something that we need to be mindful of.

And then finally, this last one, before we talk about some strategies

to address these challenges, that is just letting our guard down.

Being around temptation, putting ourselves in situations that

we really do not need to be in.

Leaders are not immune to temptations and struggles.

We are not so holy and so equipped with our scripture and our

faith that we cannot be tempted.

and have the enemy really come at us with things.

We've got to be cautious of that.

Sometimes leaders may let their guard down.

In fact, many times leading to moral or ethical lapses that can damage

their faith, their reputation, everything they've worked for can be

eroded quickly with one poor decision.

I don't even have to say what that might be.

Unfortunately, many times that's with men and men will let their guard

down and do something where they're around, let's just say a female.

And we know how those things typically end up.

Do not do that.

Guard yourself against those temptations, especially if you're tired, especially

if you're under stress and fatigued and your ego has been impacted.

All these things that I just mentioned when you let your guard down, it becomes

even more likely, that those temptations, those things can cause issues.

All right?

Those are a lot of things.

I'm sorry to pile on here, but those are a lot of things that we know can

cause challenges with any leader, any leader at all, but specifically

and especially faith-driven leaders.

Let's look at a few things, practical things that can help

us address those challenges.

Number one thing, this is very important.

That is stay connected.

Leaders must stay connected to a community of support, such as a church group or a

group of people that can just surround you and be in prayer with you and encourage

you can speak things to you when you need to have it spoken to, can encourage

you when you need to be encouraged and correct you when you need to be corrected.

This provides accountability, encouragement, and a source

of wisdom and guidance.

Stay connected.

I know one thing that I did at a time.

That I was so vulnerable.

I was in such a, challenging situation because of our business

failures, and I just really had lost a lot of my confidence.

Truthfully, almost all my confidence probably if I would really have been

evaluated or sought out some counseling.

At the time, I was probably in a state of depression, I spent a lot of time around

my wife and quiet time with the Lord.

but I disconnected.

I wasn't around other people, other people that were like-minded

that could really help me.

We had a church that we were going to at the time that was helpful,

but I really needed to be around some other business people that

could help me out in the situation.

I isolated myself.

Not good.

So do not isolate yourself.

Be around, be connected with other people.

Very important.

This next one's a word truthfully that I've struggled with, and

it is prioritize self-care.

I come from the tail end of the baby boom generation.

And you know what?

Self-care is not a word that we use very often.

I think it's much more common in the generations that have come

following us, and I think there's a lot that we can learn from that.

I do think there are times, maybe we overemphasize self-care.

There's a balance.

I guess.

There's times that we do need to work hard, grind it out, do some things that

I talked about earlier, and then we need to back off and then be mindful of

taking care of ourself, of resting, like we talked about earlier, of getting help

of asking for help from other people.

Leaders must prioritize their own self wellbeing to prevent

burnout, exhaustion, stress, all the things we talked about earlier.

This includes getting rest.

I mentioned it earlier.

I attempt to get, I used to be.

I've told this story before, but back in the nineties when I was go, go,

go, I mean, I was like, I was way into the hustle culture and thinking

that I could literally live off three, four hours of sleep at night.

I was wrong, by the way.

Now I'm pretty excited and I need my seven and a half, sometimes

eight hours, and I measure it to make sure it's good quality sleep.

We need rest.

Exercise is another thing.

Nutrition.

Eat well.

Eat foods that satisfy you, that, that nourish your body

and take care of yourself.

Take care of this temple that we have.

taking time for hobbies, relaxation, things that can allow for some downtime.

I'm kind of swallowing my pride here and saying we need to prioritize self-care.

Something that my generation, people that are of certain generations and of certain

mindsets have thought is a bad word.

We need self-care taking care of ourselves.

Next.

We talked about this in a previous episode, but we need to practice humility.

And it's weird that we say we have to practice humility cause a lot of people

will say, we're just humble or we're not.

No, it is actually something that's like a muscle.

We have to continually work our humility muscle so that

we are learning how to do it.

Now, here's what my belief is.

If you don't practice it, I think it's going to be piled on you without

you being able to control it much.

That's what happened with me.

I got arrogant.

I got cocky.

The economy went down in '08, and boy, I had some high doses

of humility that were just piled upon me without me going after it.

I think we should go after humility as much as we go after anything else.

Leaders must regularly evaluate their motives.

And their actions to ensure that they remain humble and

servant or stewardship minded.

This can include seeking feedback and accountability from others,

asking questions, being humble.

That is such an action step that is helpful, that we can learn from and

really live out in all areas of our lives.

Very important.

This next one's kind of an odd one for faith-driven leaders, but it's important

and that is seeking forgiveness.

I've got one leader.

It was the leader of a church.

I'm just going to go ahead and say who it was.

I listened to a podcast episode, actually it was a series, it was

the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.

It's a big church out of Seattle and Mark Driscoll, I'll go ahead and name the name.

Mark Driscoll was the leader there and he's very dynamic, and that church grew

at a mega rate, got massively huge, and then that church went through a

downfall because it appears as if from all that was behind the scenes and all

that came out of it that that leader, Mark Driscoll, was just very much a

hard unforgiving, didn't have a lot of compassion leader behind the scenes.

And, that's all fine and good had we seen something where he repented, sought

forgiveness from all those people.

But if you listen to the way that was done, that, podcast series, it just

doesn't appear as if there was ever a situation where as a leader, Mark

Driscoll, if he ever hears this, I would love to have communications with him and

ask why was there not anything public where he just said, you know what I'd

like for those people to forgive me?

I messed up.

I made a mistake.

And because that is so important, it grieves me when leaders do not admit that

they made a mistake and seek forgiveness.

When leaders make mistakes or fail to meet expectations, which is going

to happen, that's almost a given.

They must be willing to admit fault and seek forgiveness.

I think so many times we believe that it shows weakness if we admit that we messed

up, if we admit that we made a mistake.

No, there's so much strength there.

It involves repentance and making amends with those who have been impacted.

And going back to the Mark Driscoll example, it would make me feel so

good about seeing him as a leader.

He's still out there.

He's now got a church down in the Arizona area.

Still doesn't appear to have come out and repented or made amends with all those

people that were impacted in that church, that large church up in the Seattle area.

It would make me feel so good if he would just say, you know what?

I just asked forgiveness of God of those people, and I would like to

repent for anything that I did that might have been a negative impact.

As a leader, it is so important to do that.

I can almost guarantee you if you're leading.

If you're interacting with people, that there will be situations where you need

to seek forgiveness and ask for people to forgive you when you make mistakes.

And then finally, the example before we get to our biblical example of King David.

Stay grounded in your faith.

Your faith.

God is the foundation for everything that you are.

And we've got to stay grounded.

Leaders must stay anchored in their faith and their relationship with God, period.

I mean, we could talk about coaches, we could talk about connecting with other

people, asking forgiveness, but if your personal relationship with God is not

anchored and solid or at least growing to some extent, there will be challenges.

This involves regular prayer scripture, seeking out spiritual mentors, guides,

coaches, people like that, that can help you navigate challenges and

maintain a strong sense of purpose.

We must, as leaders, find ways that we can connect with people that can

keep us accountable, that can keep us on track so that we do not begin

slipping and falling into temptation or areas of weakness or areas of

fatigue that can lead to downfall.

I can't stress that enough.

Stay grounded in faith.

Stay grounded in faith.

For most of us, I think that means quiet time.

Alone time, not counting on everyone else, not counting on

our job situation, our titles, our roles, our money, things like that.

It is our ultimate faith and relationship with God.

That is how the faith-driven leader stays in the position

of being a faith driven leader.

Now, I want us to transition and talk about the ultimate faith-driven leader

that we've got in the Old Testament.

Okay?

We've got the New Testament, which is Jesus, but let's talk

about the Old Testament here.

If you look at everything about the Old Testament, it seems to revolve

around this one leader, this one king, that leading up to him, It's

all about leading up to King David.

And then after King David, all the references are going back to King David,

their father, king David, which he wasn't their father for many of them.

For many of the kings, he was the grandfather.

grandfather, grandfather.

He was the distant, distant father.

The distant relative.

But King David is the example.

And let me just say this.

This is somewhat off script.

When I read through the Old Testament and I see the way the

Bible starts and the creation, and then it leads to a number of things.

The nation of Israel and then there's Moses that leads the people into

the Promised land and God just wants a relationship with his people.

And I'm sure that God knows where this is leading.

He would love for his nation to be in place for the coming Messiah.

That will then reconnect us with a direct relationship with the

Father, but somewhere along the way his people start demanding a king.

They really do want a king, and God tells Samuel that's not his best, but if they

really want it, he'll give it to them.

They say we want a king.

God's best is direct relationship.

But they want a king, so he gives them a king.

That king is King Saul, and he looks great, smells great.

He fits the part.

He's tall, he's good looking, and for just a short period of time, he did what he

needed to do, but then he got off track.

The king that followed was King David, and I'll walk through some of my notes here in

just a moment to tell that story, but the contrast between those two is so powerful.

For King Saul he looked the part.

He lived the part, but he did not have the heart to stay connected

with the one that put him in place.

I think the one that puts all leaders in place, and that was God.

David was a man that was after God's own heart.

That is the difference between the two.

They both made mistakes.

We'll talk about that in just a moment, but that's the difference.

So if you're looking for the contrast, the type leader that a faith-driven leader

is, a faith-driven leader is someone like King David, who is after God's own heart.

Let's look at some things out of King David's life that we can also pull from.

David is one of the most revered figures in the Bible known for

his leadership and strong faith.

His life is a testimony to the importance of being a faith-driven leader.

His story teaches us that faith is not just about success in victory.

But it is about how we respond to our struggles and our mistakes.

David's life was filled with struggles.

We go back to the original story, facing Goliath.

He was fleeing from King Saul.

He was trying to kill him.

The person that he was going to follow was attempting to kill him, and he was dealing

with the consequences of his own mistakes.

That whole Bathsheba incident.

However, through it all, David is faithful and turns to God for guidance

and strength time and time again when he made mistakes such as his affair with

Bathsheba and his subsequent attempt to cover it up, which was horrible by the

way, he attempted and did have her husband killed to try to cover up the situation.

David took responsibility for his actions and repented before God.

This is a vital lesson for any leader, as I was talking about earlier, is

to ask for forgiveness and repent.

As it is important to take responsibilities for one's actions, and

seek forgiveness, David's response to his mistakes also highlights the importance

of being a humble and compassionate leader despite his power and success.

David never lost sight of his dependence on God and his duty to serve his people.

He recognized that his mistakes had consequences, not just for

himself but for those around him, and he worked to make things right.

David's story teaches us that being a faith-driven leader requires not

just faith and courage, but humility, compassion, and a willingness

to learn from our mistakes.

I highly recommend that you study the life of David.

It starts in the book of Samuel and continues in both Kings and Chronicles.

And then also I think it's cool to read some of the Psalms that David actually

wrote during the time that he was being chased by Saul during the time

that he was going through some of his challenges he wrote many of those Psalms

that we can read and just see what his heart was all about during that time.

Again, like I said earlier, if we want to really see the contrast, the example

between what a faith-driven leader should look like and what they shouldn't look

like...King Saul all about himself.

King David, a man after god's heart.

That is how we overcome those challenges.

That is the grit and the grace of faith driven leadership.

This is an important episode and I'm hopeful that you'll share this

with other people because I know other people that need to hear this.

This to me, some of the things we've covered here are the things

that are causing the biggest challenges in our world today.

Not just with faith-driven leaders, but with all leaders,

especially faith-driven leaders.

We need to hear this.

We need to hear how important it is to go through these steps and

avoid some of these challenges that we listed out in this episode.

One other thing to do.

I've mentioned this in other episodes.

We've got a quiz, the Faith-Driven Quiz.

Make sure you go take that quiz at TimWinders.com/faithdrivenquiz.

There's 20 questions there that just help you see how you're doing and

get you thinking about some things.

So thanks for listening in on this episode.

We've got one more episode.

Make sure you're subscribed and are prepared for next week's episode,

which is Purpose-Driven Leadership.

How Faith Can Transform Your Leadership.

It's all about leading others.

So we're building up to that thing that most people believe leadership

is, which is leading others.

Thank you so much for listening.

Thank you so much for being a faith-driven leader.

Until next time, continue being that faith-driven leader that