Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers, as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer march ever closer to Crusade's end. Meanwhile, Gideon and Lochley try to stop a doomsday cult from attacking a plague conference in Crusade: Episode 6 - Ruling from the Tomb.

Hello, and welcome to who are you?

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This is the Babylon five watch cast

hosted by two former strangers.

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Now friends have gotten

to know each other.

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We'll be watching a favorite show

from their childhood Babylon five.

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I'm Jafar.

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: I've been up for four hours.

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I've soaked in a hot tub.

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I'm drinking coffee.

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Like this is me at my most.

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I feel,

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Laura: Is that like a, a

Battlestar mug by chance?

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Xhafer: it is a

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Laura: Oh no, it's not.

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Okay.

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I thought it was,

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Xhafer: instead of Starbucks.

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Yeah.

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Laura: yeah, I thought it must've been

Starbucks, but I couldn't see it all.

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Xhafer: this was a pod miss gift from

Ben a number of years ago, back when

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we did draft the universe, we would

always do pod miss where we all got

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each other something for Christmas.

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Laura: Aw,

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Xhafer: I forget if we would open it

up on pod or we would talk, we were

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right before a recording session.

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It was just a thing that we did.

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Laura: that's cute.

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I like

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Xhafer: a pod miss gift from him.

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So yeah.

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Laura: You know what else is cute?

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I think it was very serendipitous that

yesterday We were both celebrating our

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mother's 70th birthday at the same time.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I noticed that when you said you

were, you were coming back from a 70th

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birthday celebration, I was like, I'm

celebrating my mother's 70th right now.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And that's that time change too.

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That's fun.

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What'd you guys do?

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Laura: we took her to a, well, it

was also my father's 70th birthday.

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So my, I don't remember if I've

said this before on pod, but my

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parents were born three days apart.

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So, We took both of them to a

very nice steakhouse in Oklahoma

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City, like, you know, fancy, like

old money kind of steakhouse.

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And

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Xhafer: I know that I asked you like I

didn't know, but I did see the pictures

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on Facebook and it looked real good.

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Laura: It is a real nice place.

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My brother was like kind of dubious.

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He, he flew up from Louisiana was

like, well, okay, you pick the place

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and it's just, It's called Bob's.

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So it's like, what is Bob's?

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You know?

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Uh, But we had a very nice waiter,

Garrett, and they always ask you when

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you call and make the reservation,

like, are you celebrating something?

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And so I told them, you know, it was

my parents 70th birthdays and they, you

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know, when they brought us dessert for

the birthdays they had two very lovely

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little cards that were signed by all

the staff with happy birthday to them.

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It was really cute.

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Xhafer: That's fun.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Highly recommend it.

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If, if you guys ever get to come to

Oklahoma City, we will try to take you out

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to Bob's because it would be a great time.

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You'll like

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it.

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But what did you guys do?

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Xhafer: So yeah, we went out

for a fancy dinner as well.

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I don't know how you're

Parents were dealing with it.

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My mom was not happy about turning 70.

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Laura: Awww.

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My parents are very, like,

nonchalant about the whole thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She was a lot better today than she

was like a month ago when I was trying

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to get her to agree to do anything.

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Laura: Awww.

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Xhafer: yesterday, but yeah.

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but a month ago she was just

like, this fucking sucks.

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I'm old.

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this.

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You

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Laura: not for the faint of heart, I hear.

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Xhafer: mean, I know a big

part of that admittedly is

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my dad passed when he was 72.

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Laura: Aww.

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Xhafer: And so mom hitting 70 is

like a thick, like I get that.

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Um, because you, you can't, you

know, I mean, they were together for

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almost 50 years before he passed.

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Like, so I imagine you can't hit that

number and not go, I've got two years.

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Um, despite the fact.

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That my grandmother, her mother lived to

88 after spending five years in hospice.

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Laura: Dang.

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Xhafer: was on the verge of death.

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Like we were making arrangements.

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And so she entered hospice care.

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They took her off all of

her meds, new lease on

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Laura: just

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Xhafer: just rebounded instantly,

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Laura: hmm.

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Xhafer: bars for dinner, just read books,

did whatever she wanted for five years.

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Um, and then both of her, her

grandmothers, my great grandmothers,

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both made it over a hundred.

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: So like.

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Laura: That is amazing.

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Xhafer: genes are rolling for her here.

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Like she really, I, she's, she's in good

health, you know, like I know she beats

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herself up about a couple of things with

her health, but I mean, she's doing fine.

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So I don't think she's got anything

to be worried about for a while.

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And that's just not me trying to

be optimistic in the face of the

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same thing that she's looking at.

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Um, but no, I think once,

once we got there, like.

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Her sister had to text me and

be all like, what are we doing?

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Because she's not telling me anything

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Laura: aww,

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Xhafer: like I, you know, like my, I

had two uncles and an aunt there and it

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was just like, We kind of just like on

the sly, like, this is what we're doing.

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You know, we made sure the dinner

reservation had enough space for everyone.

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but it was me my sister, our

partners, my mom, her boyfriend, and

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then a couple of aunts and uncles.

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And uh, we went and had a very nice

dinner at a fancy Italian place.

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and then there was a brewery walking

distance, maybe a block away that

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we all walked to, and then we all

had a beer and just had a good time.

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Just telling stories and.

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Remembering things.

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And it was, it was a fun evening for sure.

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Laura: yeah, well, happy birthday, moms.

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Xhafer: Right?

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I know you're never going to listen

to this because the words pod and

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cast are both foreign to you, mom,

but I'm glad you had a happy birthday.

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Laura: my mom has no

idea what Babylon 5 is.

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It's

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Xhafer: Oh yeah.

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I wouldn't even,

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Laura: Ah, so we have an episode of

a television show we're supposed to

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talk about

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Xhafer: I know.

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I feel like I say it every

week right now, but we did it.

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We got through another one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is the one that I texted you after

it was over and said, do I deserve

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a snack for having watched this?

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Xhafer: you're right.

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And you texted Beth too.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: And Beth looked over at me and

she's like, does she deserve a snack?

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And I'm all like, yes, if it's

anything like the last couple, cause

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I hadn't watched it at that point.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, and we

were gonna do another one.

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We did two in a row.

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So I did go get a snack everyone I did

get myself some I made some popcorn

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and put nacho cheesy dust on it.

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Very worth it.

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Yeah, I

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Xhafer: watched the next one yet, but I'm

going to after the lion's game tonight,

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Laura: Will spoil a little something in

that the order really did us dirty on

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those on these two.

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Yeah, the order is weird

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Xhafer: this was very clearly Lockley

and Gideon meeting in this episode.

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And I think their interaction in

the previous episode is made better.

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By having this be before it, I think our

order really did fuck us a couple of ways.

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Um, but they, I mean, they

didn't even have a good product.

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Like the, the order that they

did, they're not happy with.

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There's a, there's a reason

why it's such a mess.

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You know, I don't know that there is a

good order to watch these episodes in.

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Cue Austin getting in the

discord and telling us

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Laura: Yeah, the pros and cons of all.

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Yeah.

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No, but seriously, like, there's

glaring problems with like Gideon

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Lockley between these two episodes.

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and then, I couldn't put my finger

on why JMS would think this was

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better, you know, like right away.

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I, I

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: why he had a preference for this.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: all I could think about was like,

they, they met in the last episode.

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Why are they acting like

they don't know each other?

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You know?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Ah, well,

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Xhafer: Well, with all of that said,

we should probably get to the episode.

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We've got crusade ruling from the tomb.

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Uh, I think this was episode six.

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Not that it matters.

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Um, we open on Lockley and a

local Martian cop, clearly.

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This cop is a graduate of Garibaldi's

homeschool security school

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Laura: Oh yeah, if it's not obvious

now, at this moment, it will be, later.

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Xhafer: for sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: That was like

the, the vibe immediately.

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It was all like, Oh no, a hundred percent.

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This is that type of, of person.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: would have been fun to have

maybe someone from like, if this was

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like sponsored by Edgar's industries

or something and have someone that

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reported to Garibaldi be this cop,

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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Or, like, could Garibald

even show up in this episode?

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Xhafer: he decided to

run the security himself.

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I I'm okay with not that actually.

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Laura: I just mean, like, just show

up at the conference, like, I'm

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here to be the money or whatever,

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Xhafer: Yeah, let me throw

money at this problem.

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Laura: but you're right, there's

no way that Garibaldi could show

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up at this conference and not stick

his nose into the security, so you

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can't have him in this episode.

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Xhafer: And, honestly, it would take

away of the Lockley Gideon dynamic,

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which is the crux of this episode.

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Because you'd be focusing on Lockley

and Garibaldi's little reunion.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: And, I think that would

do a disservice to the one

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good thing in this episode.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I don't know how great

the dynamic even is, but,

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Xhafer: There's, there's one

scene in particular that I think

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is the highlight of this episode.

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Laura: yeah, yeah.

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It is not this opening scene

that has way too much shaky cam.

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Did you notice that?

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Xhafer: No.

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Laura: I, I know that they were trying

to like show this area as being like

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busy and it's got shaky cam and a

whole bunch of background extras.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Behind Lockley and the cop and then

Gideon as he's joining the conversation.

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And it is just so distracting.

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Xhafer: There's a lot of extras for sure.

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There's a lot of

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movement.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But hey, we get another Babylon 5 classic.

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: Murder to theme.

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Xhafer: right.

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I, I actually called it the

good old B5 classic in my notes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: our, our murder to theme.

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If it's not an attempted

assassination, it's a successful

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one over there on B5 cold opens.

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Kind of feels like home.

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That's nice.

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Yeah.

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And we, we come back from theme

to just some casual misogyny.

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There's a lot of it in this episode.

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Laura: Max sucks so much, I just hate him.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: parlance pro

professional wrestling parlance.

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I would say Max is a shit eating heel.

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Um,

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Laura: one of those.

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Xhafer: he's a bad guy who

revels being the bad guy.

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Um, he's, he's very Jeff Jarrett

for my pro wrestling fans out there.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And man, Jeff Jarrett

is a guy that I've just actually

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hated for forever because he just

is always a shit eating heel.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I watched a non

Kayfabe interview with him.

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Kayfabe listener, if you're unaware, is

the illusion that pro wrestling is real.

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Laura: Ah.

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Xhafer: Um, so it's when someone stays in

character outside of a wrestling event.

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and he was talking about like all of

the shit that he's done that has almost

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gotten him killed over the years because

he pissed people off so much, just like

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going to Mexico and throwing really bad.

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Like plain boring ass grocery store

tortillas into the crowd to piss them off.

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Like all kinds of stuff.

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He just like goes over this laundry list

and then he looks at the interviewer

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and he goes, have you ever hated me?

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And the interviewer goes, yes.

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And he's just like, thank you so much.

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And I'm all like, I get it now.

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Laura: Yeah, um, I had also

forgotten that Trace existed.

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Xhafer: He's only in one other episode.

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Laura: Yeah, like, I was like, I called

him the shuttle pilot for the first

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half of my notes because I was like, I

don't remember his name and they weren't

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saying it like enough to stick in my head

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and tell if he's like, Oh, Trace.

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Xhafer: and then I was, then they

said it like five seconds after

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I go, like, I finally paused.

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I'm like, what's his fucking name?

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Look it up, unpause.

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They say trace.

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I'm like, son of a bitch.

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To the point where I wonder if it's just

because it's like also a word, if my brain

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just didn't clock it as a name at first.

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Laura: True, like you

just kind of pass over

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it.

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Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: entirely possible that

that's something that happened.

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Laura: Yeah, Max and Trace are giving each

other shit and Darina has no intention

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with hanging of either of these fools.

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They're both like trying to vie for, Oh,

I should get to show you around Mars.

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No, I should get to show you around Mars.

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And she's just like, fuck you both.

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I'm, I'm the rogue.

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I will be fine.

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Xhafer: You want me to

show you around Mars?

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Fuck off.

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Laura: Exactly.

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Xhafer: Doesn't matter

that I've never been here.

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Laura: She is so much more

competent than these two.

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I mean, we don't know a

ton about Trace, right?

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He seems mostly fine.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: it seems fine, except for

his weird, oh, you know, if we

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were going to give him a class.

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What is he?

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Because he's got this former priestly

background that we found out about.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He.

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I mean, he moves people around and

transportation like there's some

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cleric spells that kind of align

with like removing exhaustion or

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like made people move faster or

just straight up teleporting people.

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And so I think he is a like cleric of

the road, whatever the travel domain

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: on what we're talking about here

uh, what system, what you're getting

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into, but I think he's definitely a,

like, his thing is like kind of religious

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see, but mostly about just getting

people to where they're going safely.

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And those things kind

of align in that class.

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So that could be interesting.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I like that.

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Especially because we found out

he was sort of a priestly guy.

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He can still have some of

those cleric y tendencies.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He's a foundationist like Franklin.

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So when was it, does he go on

walkabout after this episode?

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Laura: I hope so.

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Xhafer: That's why we don't see him again.

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Laura: you can just, he can just go

down to the basketball court in uh, the

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Xhafer: around there

for a couple of years.

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See it all.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: that basketball

court is a subliminal space.

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Are you familiar with this

kind of idea in horror?

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Laura: okay.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh, the, the

thing that doesn't end,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: like There's a Omega Mark, kind

of when we went there a couple years ago,

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kind of like leads into that where it's

all like, you think you're in a thing and

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then you open up a door and it leads and

it just keeps going and going and going.

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It's like that.

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Um, there's actually a

video game coming out.

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That's a subliminal spaces horror game

that procedurally generates space so

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you can like never actually get out.

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Laura: Oh, no.

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My son would love that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, it's coming out soon, so

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: keep that on the

Christmas radar, I guess.

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Um, I've also heard of people

talking about, I saw a, like, not

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a Twitter, but uh, what was the one

that used to be all porn and now it's

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just artists having conversations

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Laura: Tumblr?

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Xhafer: Tumblr.

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There we go.

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I saw a Tumblr post the other day uh, that

was uh, people talking about a parking lot

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that's never ending as a subliminal space.

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I thought that was very interesting

too, but it kind of, it kind of feels

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that way a bit, that basketball court.

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Laura: That's the Lloyd Noble where I

have to park most of the time at OU.

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I'm getting so frustrated, Ja'far.

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Three weeks into my PhD program and

I feel like the parking situation is

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what's going to make me quit someday.

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Like,

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Xhafer: That's unfortunate.

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You need to get a faculty parking pass.

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Laura: Well, there's apparently

only seven for the entire business

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school for four grad students.

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So I imagine that those are

handed out by seniority.

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So

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Xhafer: Well, I'm sure you're

older than all of those people.

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Like not, not to like, not to

make you feel bad about it, but if

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they're students that are living

near campus, they don't need one.

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Fuck off.

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I think you can make a case to

the uh, the Dean of your college

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to get you higher on that list.

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Yeah.

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Laura: I just need to rub some

more elbows this semester.

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I was just like, man, this super sucks.

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So the Lloyd Noble center is

like an event center in Norman

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and you can park there for free.

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No campus permit required.

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And then take a shuttle over to campus.

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And even though I bought the

commuter student pass, I keep having

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to park at the Lloyd Noble cause

there's no parking anywhere else.

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And it's huge parking because it's

an event center, but it's still.

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It's incredibly frustrating

that I have to do this.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, the school has an invested

interest one in making money because

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we decided for profit schools were

a good idea for university for some

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: to, it's just like the logic

behind their like overselling of

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the parking passes is like, well,

you're only going to need them when

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you're in class and not every student

who buys a parking pass is going

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to be in class at the same time.

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So we could probably sell

double and not worry about it.

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Right.

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Right?

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We don't even really need to check, do we?

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Then it's just, it's Everyone

who has commuted to a university

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that I know has this story.

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Laura: I know I'm not alone and

that should bring me comfort,

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but it just brings me more rage.

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Xhafer: No, no fair.

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That's a hundred percent legitimate

reaction because no one should

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have to experience this, especially

when you're paying for it.

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Laura: yeah, and my problem Friday

was, you know, this is the university

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of Oklahoma's first year in the

sec, so freaking deal apparently.

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Xhafer: Oh yeah.

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Laura: They had closed half of the

parking lot that I can usually get

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into at certain times on certain days.

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Because I guess people just

start tailgating for football

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games the day before the game

and they use that parking lot.

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And I was like, what the fuck?

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Subliminal space of frustration

is what parking at a university is.

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Xhafer: So, getting back to

the episode Lockley and Gideon

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give us some exposition,

letting us know this is all Dr.

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Franklin's fault.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah, we've met him,

but they don't seem to know it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Lockley saying her middle name is Security

and then Gideon replying, I want to

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make sure your last name isn't Breach.

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That was fun.

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That was fun and quippy.

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Laura: Uh, That's, that's fine.

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Yeah.

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I don't like what they're

doing with Gideon, luckily.

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So I came in kind of like

hostile to the whole thing.

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Like, fuck this.

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Xhafer: I think Gideon himself

puts a really fine point on it

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later in the episode when he says

that the problem is, is that their

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command styles are too similar.

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I don't agree,

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: but I could see

how he would think that.

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Laura: sure.

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Because he's also barely

interacted with her.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: also, did you notice that

this conference area that they're

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checking out seems to have been

built by the same people who made

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the Excalibur basketball court?

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: but also very focused at times.

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Laura: very interesting place.

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So Gideon seems to know

about this doomsday cult.

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He's telling Lockley that this killing

looks like a sacred Omega killing.

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So They believe that the Drak Plague is a

Noah Flood supposed to cleanse humanity.

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Xhafer: retribution for humanity's sins.

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Laura: Yeah, there were

probably some of these, right?

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This seems very realistic.

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Xhafer: You know, I actually have

a whole little rant about that in

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Laura: Oh, go ahead.

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Xhafer: Well, it's just like, where

were these folks during COVID?

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Laura: Yeah, there wasn't,

you didn't hear about them.

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I mean

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Xhafer: This, this did not exist

during what would have been the

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closest real world to COVID.

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Analog we have to this thing and every

version of sci fi that has the plague

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thing where it's not, everyone's

instantly dead, like the stand.

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And sometimes when it is like everyone's

instantly dead, like the stand has this

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version of this doomsday cult that is all

like, this is retribution for humanity

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since Sodom and Gonor are renewed.

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Ooh, you know, fire brimstone.

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Y'all are terrible because

you disagree with me.

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That kind of shit.

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Um, And where the fuck were

these people during COVID?

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And I had to like sit

and think about this.

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I like paused this episode.

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I tried to look in some stuff up.

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I'm just like, I mean, there, you

find a couple of blog posts here and

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there, but this was not a movement.

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Laura: No.

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No.

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It wasn't like a cult kind of thing.

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Xhafer: And it occurred

to me what had happened.

484

I think, I think I've solved

for X in this equation.

485

And that is all of the people that

this normally would have been.

486

We're already convinced it was a lie.

487

And COVID wasn't real.

488

And that's why we didn't

get our doomsday Colts.

489

And now I'm even madder at Fox news.

490

Laura: Yeah.

491

Yeah.

492

What an interesting phenomenon

that we went through.

493

Xhafer: Yeah.

494

Laura: So, so strange.

495

But yeah.

496

It seems like we should have had some.

497

We had, I don't know.

498

We had people who were

just like open everything.

499

The economy effects are so

much worse than people dying.

500

Xhafer: Which, which

they're not by the way,

501

Laura: no, they're not,

502

Xhafer: By, by doing what we

did, we saved a ton of lives.

503

That that's empirical.

504

If you don't believe that's true,

just turn off this fucking podcast.

505

I don't want to talk to you.

506

I don't want you to hear my voice.

507

Laura: True, yeah.

508

Xhafer: It's, it's not in argument.

509

It's the, the, the shutdown

saved lives full stop.

510

Laura: Mm hmm.

511

Xhafer: So, anyways, there's a Ray

Bradbury sign in the background.

512

Laura: Oh, there's a Ray

Bradbury sign in the background?

513

Because I caught a different thing.

514

Xhafer: well, there's

a couple street signs.

515

I, I found out that there were street

signs by Googling what, like looking

516

it up but there's street signs for.

517

Bradbury, John Carter of Mars, and

then, um, I think it's Edgar Rice

518

Burroughs who wrote John Carter Mars,

519

Laura: Yeah.

520

Well, if we go to Mars and

establish colonies and don't

521

make a whole bunch of literary

references, what are we even doing?

522

Like What?

523

Xhafer: right.

524

You have to

525

make a bunch of Greek Roman

references and you have to make

526

a bunch of sci fi references.

527

I think that's a given.

528

And there's actually another

one later in the episode in

529

a throwaway line in the bar.

530

Laura: I caught that one.

531

Xhafer: Yeah.

532

They're drinking dandelion

wine over there, which is a

533

another Ray Bradbury reference.

534

Laura: Yes.

535

Xhafer: Have you read

the Martian Chronicles,

536

Staticuria?

537

It's fantastic.

538

Laura: Good stuff.

539

A lot to chew on in it.

540

I read parts of it over and over

and over trying to like, understand

541

where everything came from,

but it's mysterious, you know,

542

Xhafer: Yeah.

543

Laura: highly recommend.

544

Xhafer: Yeah.

545

It's been probably about 10 years for me.

546

I should probably, I think I've

got it on my shelf right now.

547

Laura: Yeah.

548

So Gideon calls for a shuttle to take

the body up to Excalibur for autopsy.

549

And Trace knew this guy, apparently.

550

He, he makes the joke.

551

He's like, anybody I know?

552

Xhafer: Yes.

553

Laura: Actually.

554

And uh, yeah.

555

He makes the dramatic reveal to commercial

that he had wanted to be a priest once.

556

Xhafer: Yep.

557

So after this, we cut back over to Dr.

558

Prey in the dark.

559

We had saw him interact with Dr.

560

Chambers very briefly earlier.

561

Um, I had actually called him Dr.

562

Joan of Arc already at

this point in my notes.

563

And I had to go back and

come up with another name.

564

Laura: yeah, he's talking to the

voices in his head who apparently

565

sound like a woman named Jeanne Yeah,

566

Xhafer: know that it's a voice in his

head that becomes apparent later, but

567

he could just been having a conversation

with someone that they don't show us

568

and they're just super focused in.

569

I think maybe we were supposed to think

maybe it was like with him or something.

570

Maybe

571

Laura: I still am unclear about

what the fuck was going on with that

572

Xhafer: this is my problem with the whole

episode to be perfectly honest because

573

so much of this and specifically with

the like dramatic reveal air quotes that

574

he's talking to Joan of Arc that happens.

575

In the climax, it's just like this

feels like a shittier version of

576

here comes the Inquisitor this reveal

and it feels like a shittier version

577

because they tell us it way more

578

Laura: Uh

579

Xhafer: With here comes the Inquisitor.

580

It's actually a like twist.

581

They drop it on you at the end.

582

You're like, oh, by the way,

I'm Jack the Ripper, right?

583

They had made some illusions to

him being around for a long time.

584

They may he had timey London.

585

Like there were a couple of

things that made you think

586

maybe something was going on.

587

Yeah.

588

Laura: Uh Huh.

589

Xhafer: And I think that's one

of the first instances of Babylon

590

five really reaching from the

science to the fantastical.

591

Laura: Yeah.

592

Xhafer: and it worked because

of that first reach because it

593

wasn't something you would expect.

594

I think if that episode of Babylon five

didn't exist, this might hit different.

595

Um, just like, uh, passages through

uh, Oh God, it's the line from

596

Laura: Passing through Gethsemane?

597

Xhafer: you.

598

Also, I think that is trying to

talk about a couple of the things

599

that this episode is trying to

talk about in a different way.

600

And I think without those

two episodes, this episode of

601

crusade might've felt better,

602

Laura: Yeah.

603

Xhafer: but you can't help, but compare

it to those two episodes of Babylon five.

604

And that doesn't do

this episode any favors.

605

Laura: Yeah.

606

Well, especially at the end, there's

a, a reveal of, for some reason, Dr.

607

Chambers gets the guy's diary,

608

Xhafer: Yeah.

609

Instead of the police or

someone investigating the cold

610

or whatever.

611

Yeah.

612

Laura: And It tells everyone like, Oh,

this guy was hearing Joan of Arc's voice.

613

And we know that because he said all these

things that when you look them up, they're

614

historically what Joan of Arc said.

615

And I'm like, what if

he just looked them up

616

and then wrote them down?

617

Like that seems like something

an unstable person might do.

618

In some sequence do like

that doesn't prove anything.

619

Xhafer: Yeah.

620

It sure doesn't.

621

Laura: it was supposed to be like this

big revelation and I was like, no,

622

it's not like I can Google things.

623

Joan of Arc said right now and

they'll all be a questionable like.

624

usefulness.

625

Did Joan of Arc really say these things?

626

History is not a perfect thing.

627

So I don't know.

628

I was just like, all right, I

don't agree with any of this.

629

I don't buy into the premise

of this episode at all.

630

Xhafer: Yeah.

631

Laura: So Trace explains himself

on the way back up to Excalibur.

632

Uh, This guy who's dead, I guess he

was there because he was like some kind

633

of biologist or microbiologist maybe.

634

But he was uh, also a foundationist

635

person, maybe a priest.

636

And an inspiration to Trace.

637

They work together.

638

Xhafer: Yeah, they were friends.

639

until THE THING HAPPENED.

640

Ooh.

641

Laura: The thing that we never explain,

642

right?

643

Not really.

644

Xhafer: I mean, it sounds like,

um, There was some kind of

645

religious experience that got Dr.

646

Prey in the dark to hear Jones voice in

the first place, because he references

647

that trace could have heard the

voice as well if he had stuck around.

648

And they talk about him doing

some like terrible shit.

649

They

650

Laura: Trace, or Dr.

651

Prey in the

652

Xhafer: Dr.

653

Prey in the Dark did some terrible

shit, and that's why Trace peaced.

654

So, probably killed some people.

655

That's just my, my baseline assumption.

656

They don't

657

Laura: All, all of it is too vague,

and then, yeah, there's the question

658

of like, is Joan of Arc just the Drak?

659

Xhafer: all of it is too vague,

could just be the name of this show.

660

Laura: There's the title.

661

Xhafer: Right?

662

Got it.

663

Down on Mars Doreena and Max are walking

around, well, Max rolls, rolls up on

664

Doreena uh, funny, funny running into

you here and she just goes hilarious in

665

a way that only comes with the practice

of repeatedly telling people to fuck off.

666

Laura: Mm hmm.

667

Yeah.

668

He's gonna show her his whole ass, though.

669

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

670

Just pants down.

671

Uh, He's trying to mansplain this

seedy neighborhood to her, like she

672

isn't the fucking rogue in the party.

673

Laura: Right.

674

It

675

Xhafer: She helps and he lets his ego

get in the way of having someone do

676

something nice for him and immediately

tries to get in trouble again.

677

Laura: is funny when they roll up

into the bar and he immediately

678

offends a whole bunch of people.

679

Just classic Max.

680

That's all I'll say.

681

So on the Excalibur.

682

Gideon is controlling the investigation,

Lackley calls him out on that,

683

they quibble about he wants her to focus

on Mars and leave Trace alone, like she

684

wanted to question Trace more about how

he and Henderson had a falling out but

685

Gideon's like, no, everybody's got trauma

and we're not going to bother his trauma,

686

Xhafer: like, this is so weird because

it's like, part of me is like Gideon

687

is standing up for his crew member.

688

Good job, Gideon.

689

Laura: sure, but.

690

Xhafer: Also, he directly knows

the guy who just got murdered

691

through a cult that is a problem.

692

Laura: Right, like we, we need to put

some personal things aside for a bit.

693

We'll get you with the ship's counselor.

694

Hell, we can go back to that one planet

with that lady of the bong water.

695

And take care of this afterwards.

696

But right now, we gotta do business.

697

Yeah.

698

Xhafer: terrible here, though.

699

Like, she's correct.

700

100 percent she's correct.

701

She's doing the right

thing in the worst way.

702

Cause she's just berating

him about, Oh, your trauma?

703

Well why don't we talk about that right

fucking now while you're flying the ship

704

Laura: In front of everyone,

705

Xhafer: of everyone.

706

Right?

707

Like, there is a better way to do

this where he would not necessarily

708

be as rightfully defensive as he is.

709

Laura: Yeah, yeah, you could

put a pin in that, Lockly.

710

Just like, note to self.

711

Once we arrive.

712

Yeah, she doesn't.

713

And then back on Mars,

Jaune is telling Dr.

714

Prey in the dark to kill more people.

715

Xhafer: Yeah.

716

He uh, he recognizes Trace

and also they've got bombs.

717

Laura: yeah, the, the 666

bomb, as I called it, because

718

I think they did use the 666 on

719

Xhafer: they did.

720

Yeah.

721

Yeah.

722

I, I make a bunch of oblique

references to it being seven minutes

723

and six seconds for some reason.

724

It seems like a really

random number to choose.

725

Uh,

726

Laura: uh,

727

Matheson comes up and is like, hey.

728

You thinking about Lockley to Gideon?

729

For no reason.

730

Xhafer: Well, he, Gideon's

like, you're reading my mind.

731

You read my mind.

732

Right.

733

And he gets offended because obviously

telepath trying to play by the rules.

734

And he's all like, no, no, no, no.

735

I didn't mean, didn't mean literally guys.

736

Just, just the expression.

737

Laura: But that is kind of, I like

that touch that reminds us that

738

like, the actual accusation of

reading his mind is, is like a crime

739

for Matheson.

740

So he's like, I'm not committing crimes.

741

I'm just, you know, reading

the, Well, all over your face.

742

Xhafer: for sure.

743

Laura: so Glockly is trying to play nice,

and so she gives him the detailed report

744

of everything they have so far on Mars.

745

Gideon invites her to

dinner, because why not?

746

Xhafer: Yeah, we're arguing a lot.

747

Do you want to maybe meet not in the

middle of a floor when we should be

748

arguing and maybe try to develop a

working relationship outside of that?

749

Laura: Yeah, that That would be okay.

750

A working a working relationship

outside of that, yeah.

751

Yeah.

752

Xhafer: And then we get the Dandelion

Wine reference where Max and Tracer

753

are at the bar getting drunk, um,

and then we go back to Lockley's

754

Quarters where they're having dinner.

755

She's ordered some lo mein,

and I just have to say what

756

in the ds9 is Gideon's shirt

757

Laura: What is Lockley's hair?

758

She has the Ivanova sex hair going on.

759

I'm like,

760

Xhafer: Is she wearing like a kimono too?

761

Like it was this is all very weird I

will say though when they're like your

762

hero, you know, like she asked a question

He says John Sheridan is his hero.

763

Have you ever been under him now now?

764

This is He clearly didn't know one,

the, the, the little bit after, but

765

also like if Garibaldi didn't know

when she came on board, then we know

766

it's actually not in her file, which is

presumably something he would have read

767

after interacting with her or knowing

that he was going to interact with

768

Laura: Yeah.

769

Yeah.

770

Xhafer: That's like captain thing to do.

771

And so.

772

He truly doesn't know.

773

I have to believe he truly doesn't know.

774

Laura: Yeah.

775

No, I didn't question that for a second.

776

I'm just like

777

uh,

778

Xhafer: Oh, Babylon five

being needlessly horny.

779

I see you.

780

Laura: yeah

781

Xhafer: If it was just that I

might feel differently about it.

782

But the fact that she takes it

and turns it around on him when

783

he's like calling her ex husband,

the biggest idiot in the galaxy.

784

And it's like, who's yeah.

785

Does this biggest idiot have a name?

786

It's like, yeah, you're fucking hero.

787

Dumbass.

788

Laura: Just to show you

that men are, men are dumb.

789

Men are stupid.

790

Xhafer: That makes this whole interaction

fun for me, the fact that she's able

791

to take it and turn it back on him

and it's not lopsided like that.

792

Um, even, even unintentionally,

I thought this was hilarious.

793

Laura: hmm.

794

I'm still mad at the shipping.

795

I'm so mad at the shipping.

796

Just let Valkyrie be, goddammit.

797

Let her make her questionable

food choices in peace.

798

Xhafer: I mean, she don't need no man.

799

Laura: No.

800

Xhafer: And I'm not, I'm

801

not, writing for her and Gideon by

any means, but the, this was fun.

802

Laura: I'll ride for her and Gideon

if Gideon submits to her will.

803

That's what I'll ride for.

804

If he realizes that, like, I am but a

mere mortal in front of this goddess.

805

Xhafer: I mean, we know Lockley

is on the sub Dom scale.

806

We know where she lies after her

interactions with the, the, the slapping.

807

What was it?

808

The thing, the thing that fucking Corwin

809

gets her.

810

Yeah,

811

the love

812

bat, the love bat, yeah, we know where she

sits on that scale after that whole thing.

813

And Babylon 5 being

needlessly horny again.

814

So, I mean, that implies that

Gideon has to sit somewhere else

815

on that spectrum, typically.

816

Not always, but most of the

time that's how that works.

817

Uh, So, I could see that

working out for them though.

818

Laura: Okay.

819

We, I can, I, maybe I can make it

work, but right now I'm just mad.

820

Um, speaking of people I'm mad

at, um, Eilerson clearly had to

821

buy all those guys drinks, right?

822

Xhafer: Yeah, he's just

throwing money around.

823

Laura: yeah, he has made friends

with the people he had offended

824

at the end of his last scene.

825

Xhafer: You know, he's just

expensing those drinks to IPX.

826

Laura: oh, I'm sure.

827

Okay.

828

Xhafer: Yeah,

829

Laura: He's corporate all the way,

830

Xhafer: he he's the motherfucker

who expense reports a

831

fucking strip club visit.

832

He's one of those guys.

833

100%.

834

Laura: Totally.

835

Totally.

836

Yeah.

837

Trace wants to hang with

Doreena, but she shoots him down.

838

He's at least, you know,

not obnoxious about.

839

but drunk Max and Trace

posture for a little bit.

840

And then, Max He pisses

me off so fucking bad

841

when he makes a boob joke at Darina

and I just think he's the worst.

842

Xhafer: you come equipped

with a flotation device.

843

Laura: Two of them.

844

Two flotation

845

Xhafer: to see in their

swim of testosterone.

846

Uh, uh,

847

Yeah.

848

So Dr.

849

Prey in the dark.

850

We find out he starts referring

to the voice in his head is Jean.

851

And we see him like clearly alone.

852

Like the camera pans out enough

for us to know that this is just

853

a voice in his fucking head.

854

Laura: Yeah.

855

Xhafer: Trey steps outside for some

air when a cultist comes for him.

856

Doreena delays the cultist enough for

Carter to get the jump and save trace.

857

Laura: Yeah.

858

The Mars cops, definitely homeschool

security because they just straight up

859

Xhafer: Oh,

860

that she just marks this dude.

861

Yeah.

862

Like you have to the count

of three to drop the weapon.

863

One, two, shoot

864

Laura: Uh huh.

865

A very Garibaldi

866

Xhafer: a hundred percent.

867

Yep.

868

Laura: Uh, Walkley comes to the rescue.

869

The incident,

870

and Eilerson points out it's weird that

Trace was the next target after Henderson.

871

Xhafer: They

872

knew each other.

873

What are the chances?

874

Laura: can be right once in a while.

875

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

876

Laura: So the Mars cops have Trace

look through this list to see

877

if he knows anyone else on it.

878

and then Trace knows Dr.

879

Prey in the dark.

880

Xhafer: Yeah, he pulls Dr.

881

Prey in the dark off the list.

882

They're looking through the

Facebook event of the conference,

883

Laura: Uh Huh.

884

Xhafer: Just scrolling through everyone's

pages, seeing who's going like you

885

do, you know, you want to know who's

who else is going to be at the thing.

886

And they find Dr.

887

Prey in the dark's profile,

but he's got the wrong name.

888

Laura: Uh Huh.

889

Xhafer: Gideon stays

back at the conference.

890

Dr.

891

Prey in the dark sets the

bomb to six, six, six, because

892

Laura: course.

893

Xhafer: can we just say it's lazy writing?

894

Are we allowed to say that Joe?

895

I know you're not listening to

this podcast, but come on, man.

896

You can do better,

897

Laura: Yeah, and then Gideon does

the stupidest thing to create

898

a diversion and try to get Dr.

899

Prey in the

900

dark to not, not blow everyone up.

901

Xhafer: Which we are told in this

episode is being broadcast back to earth.

902

Laura: Oh, I didn't catch that

part, but that makes it even dumber.

903

Xhafer: Like, I don't think it's

like being openly broadcast, but we,

904

they have said that people on earth.

905

Are like participating in

the conference remotely,

906

Laura: Oh, Jeebus.

907

Xhafer: like, man, Oh, it's so bad.

908

And with the size of

this conference center

909

Laura: if you didn't watch the

episode, listener, Gideon's diversion

910

is to announce that the Drak Plague

is way worse than they thought.

911

Everybody's going to

die in less than a year.

912

Everyone should just go make peace with

their gods and People start leaving

913

the conference, of course, because

they're like, what the fuck is going on?

914

Uh, And Dr.

915

Prey in the dark is satisfied.

916

He's like, oh, the cleansing will happen.

917

I don't have to stop these people.

918

And that is just such the biggest

gamble that you have no reason to

919

believe it's gonna pay off, like.

920

Xhafer: I mean, and he doesn't

know this, but this dude has been

921

like aiming up to martyr himself.

922

Like at no point during this,

does he think that there's a bomb?

923

They don't talk about the bomb at all.

924

They don't find out about the bomb

until way later in the episode.

925

So this place is rigged with this bomb.

926

No idea.

927

He's ready to just die in a blaze.

928

Like his, the voice in his

head is telling him to,

929

Laura: hmm.

930

Xhafer: I don't think he stops.

931

Anyways, I don't think this would

be enough to convince that character

932

to stop this bomb from going off

933

Laura: No.

934

I'm not convinced either.

935

Xhafer: in case.

936

May as well still go through with it.

937

I was ready to murder myself.

938

Laura: Uh Huh.

939

I just, I don't get it.

940

Um, but Dr.

941

Prey in the Dark calls his goons like,

oh hey bombing's off uh, let's go

942

meet by the bombs and take them away.

943

So they, they get confronted there.

944

And I guess, Dr.

945

Lebec gets shot he's dying and Trace goes

to talk to him because they're friends,

946

I guess, and he's been hearing the word

of God through Joan of Arc's ghost.

947

Xhafer: he, so when they're

down there with, when Dr.

948

Perry in the dark is down there

with his goons, he references

949

something Jean said to him and they

both are like this bullshit again,

950

immediately.

951

Laura: They're just bought

into, like, killing people.

952

They don't need the voice of Joan of Arc.

953

Xhafer: Yeah.

954

Laura: So, Lockley is right

that Gideon's plan was dumb.

955

Uh,

956

I just, I just don't even like, I know

this is supposed to be one of those

957

things that like, Oh, he's such a

unconventional captain and he does the

958

thing that gets the thing accomplished.

959

And I'm just like, no, it was bad.

960

It was bad and dumb.

961

Xhafer: it was bad and dumb.

962

Most of this episode is bad and dumb.

963

Laura: there are people who will

have left this conference in fear.

964

There are people that will

have been like, nah, fuck this.

965

Like

966

this conference is a joke.

967

It's over now in real

person behavior, I think.

968

Xhafer: And not only that, but like

how many people walk away from this

969

and don't do research for a week?

970

A

971

month in this incredibly

time sensitive situation

972

like or or delete their research

and just give up or just go home and

973

kill themselves because I'm sure I'm

sure some of these scientists are

974

going to do that like it is terrible.

975

It is inexcusable.

976

Laura: hmm.

977

Xhafer: It's just bad.

978

It's just bad all around.

979

Can't do it.

980

Laura: Yep.

981

Uh, But then she invites Gideon

to Babylon 5 for some reason,

982

Xhafer: Yeah.

983

They like, my notes say they

question Mark flirt question Mark.

984

Laura: hmm.

985

Xhafer: Um, it's like, luckily it's

like you could slide into my DMS, but

986

I'm not going to add you, so it's just

going to sit in my message request for

987

forever and I'm never going to see it.

988

Laura: Yeah.

989

Xhafer: But you could

990

Laura: Mm hmm.

991

Xhafer: it's it's incredibly

noncommittal and I mean, that's good.

992

I guess I know you're not

shipping this but like

993

half an opinion even if that opinion

is I don't know how I feel about this.

994

Laura: Uh Huh.

995

Xhafer: Communicate an opinion, please.

996

Cause this isn't doing, this

isn't helping anyone on anything.

997

Laura: And then she brings

up God for some reason.

998

Like, let's just talk about God.

999

Yeah.

00:45:58,691 --> 00:46:03,751

I just, I was like, okay, this

episode is just like cramming shit in.

00:46:04,131 --> 00:46:04,561

So,

00:46:04,831 --> 00:46:05,161

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:46:05,661 --> 00:46:08,648

Laura: So the, the wonder

trio is back at the bar.

00:46:08,728 --> 00:46:10,788

That would be Max, Doreena and Trace.

00:46:10,808 --> 00:46:11,442

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

00:46:11,814 --> 00:46:13,854

Laura: Chambers comes

in with Libex journal.

00:46:14,184 --> 00:46:16,984

And it's like, Oh, he was

quoting Joan of Arc all the time.

00:46:16,984 --> 00:46:18,644

He was hearing Joan of Arc's voice.

00:46:18,644 --> 00:46:25,404

And it's like, he could just be

mentally unstable with access to Google.

00:46:25,944 --> 00:46:26,584

Xhafer: Right.

00:46:27,974 --> 00:46:29,584

Doesn't mean anything.

00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:34,981

Laura: Uh, And then Jarena

invites Drace to dance to the

00:46:34,981 --> 00:46:38,251

worst music ever to credits.

00:46:38,751 --> 00:46:39,281

Xhafer: I,

00:46:40,511 --> 00:46:42,631

Laura: The credits

music is actually worse.

00:46:43,041 --> 00:46:44,081

Xhafer: this credits music.

00:46:44,081 --> 00:46:45,121

I literally have a note.

00:46:45,131 --> 00:46:46,791

What the fuck is happening right now?

00:46:46,811 --> 00:46:50,881

This sounds like someone put on paw rap

of the rapper and forgot the lyrics.

00:46:51,526 --> 00:46:54,866

Laura: If You thought the tribal

drums that Galen listens to to

00:46:54,866 --> 00:46:58,636

relax was bad, this is worse.

00:46:58,736 --> 00:47:03,026

It sounds like some It sounds like

a Gene Belcher composition, where he

00:47:03,026 --> 00:47:05,756

puts on the beats and then, like, dog.

00:47:06,046 --> 00:47:08,526

Sounds there's like dogs barking

00:47:08,646 --> 00:47:10,466

Xhafer: There's dogs

barking in this music.

00:47:10,746 --> 00:47:12,016

Laura: then a cat meowing.

00:47:12,026 --> 00:47:15,846

I swear to God, like, what were we doing?

00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:17,626

What were we doing?

00:47:17,626 --> 00:47:21,036

It's like the composer fell asleep at

the wheel and was just like, Oh, okay.

00:47:21,526 --> 00:47:26,816

Xhafer: It's like the composer

wrote this on the keyboard I got for

00:47:26,826 --> 00:47:29,396

Henry for his like third birthday.

00:47:29,436 --> 00:47:31,316

Laura: get him the cat piano?

00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:33,716

Xhafer: fucking got him the cat piano.

00:47:33,936 --> 00:47:37,166

Laura: The most annoying toy possible.

00:47:37,371 --> 00:47:41,011

Xhafer: Look, it's very easy

for me to make these decisions

00:47:41,011 --> 00:47:42,771

and laughs not having children.

00:47:43,811 --> 00:47:50,421

Um, I also know that if that ever changes

that I am getting it back tenfold from

00:47:50,431 --> 00:47:53,551

all of my friends with kids, because

I have done something like this to

00:47:53,551 --> 00:47:55,111

almost all of them at this point.

00:47:56,073 --> 00:47:56,733

So

00:47:57,173 --> 00:47:59,003

Laura: The target cat piano, everyone.

00:47:59,003 --> 00:48:03,233

If you want to give a toy to

children of people you don't like,

00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:05,413

the target cat piano will do.

00:48:05,413 --> 00:48:08,583

But

00:48:10,843 --> 00:48:12,273

then they can write this song

00:48:12,603 --> 00:48:12,923

Xhafer: yeah.

00:48:13,488 --> 00:48:15,438

I can perform it for

you all day, every day.

00:48:15,853 --> 00:48:16,523

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:16,713 --> 00:48:18,543

God, what the fuck?

00:48:19,083 --> 00:48:23,752

So, how many main guns does this

episode conjure up for you, Ja'far?

00:48:24,007 --> 00:48:28,987

Xhafer: I give this, I give the

Lockley being hilarious, two guns.

00:48:29,782 --> 00:48:31,362

Laura: Ugh, I can't even.

00:48:32,007 --> 00:48:35,507

Xhafer: else in this episode

though, is negative guns.

00:48:35,972 --> 00:48:36,602

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:36,897 --> 00:48:40,977

Xhafer: So I'm going to go ahead

and just give it a one over all,

00:48:41,655 --> 00:48:42,115

Laura: Uh Huh.

00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:44,590

Xhafer: but know that that

one scene is two guns.

00:48:45,865 --> 00:48:49,115

Laura: I mean, I don't even have

something stupid, ridiculous fun like

00:48:49,115 --> 00:48:51,565

the apocalypse box to interest me.

00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:52,685

Like, I don't know.

00:48:52,685 --> 00:48:54,255

I'm giving this a half again.

00:48:54,255 --> 00:48:55,415

This was upsetting.

00:48:56,495 --> 00:48:56,945

Xhafer: All right.

00:48:56,965 --> 00:48:59,985

Well, hopefully next week's

episode will be better.

00:49:00,325 --> 00:49:01,405

It isn't apparently.

00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:06,380

Laura: I couldn't even tell you what

it was about right now at this moment.

00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:07,800

I will have to look at my notes.

00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:09,855

Xhafer: We got three left.

00:49:10,025 --> 00:49:15,295

So at the very, at the very worst, we've

got three bad episodes and then a lost

00:49:15,305 --> 00:49:18,445

tales, which is also three bad episodes.

00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:20,205

Um, but,

00:49:22,265 --> 00:49:23,375

but we're so close.

00:49:23,445 --> 00:49:27,660

we're so close to finishing all

Of Babylon five, that's been

00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:28,740

released and we're going to do it.

00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:31,382

We're going to get there uh, God willing.

00:49:32,172 --> 00:49:34,952

So we have patterns of the soul next week.

00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:39,682

Gideon must deport a colony of

renegade humans while Doreena

00:49:39,682 --> 00:49:42,382

finds a lost tribe of her people.

00:49:44,632 --> 00:49:45,862

Laura: I do remember that now.

00:49:45,982 --> 00:49:46,582

Now that you said

00:49:46,582 --> 00:49:46,932

that.

00:49:46,982 --> 00:49:47,352

Xhafer: good.

00:49:48,862 --> 00:49:50,582

I'm glad it's an accurate synopsis.

00:49:51,932 --> 00:49:52,362

Laura: Fair.

00:49:52,422 --> 00:49:53,062

It's all fair.

00:49:53,082 --> 00:49:53,682

Valid.

00:49:54,552 --> 00:49:55,592

Xhafer: You know what else is valid?

00:49:56,302 --> 00:49:56,912

Laura: I do.

00:49:57,322 --> 00:49:59,492

Xhafer: My feelings towards Jeremy.

00:50:00,272 --> 00:50:01,782

Jeremy Siegel, of course.

00:50:02,192 --> 00:50:04,232

The composer of our lovely theme music.

00:50:04,392 --> 00:50:05,342

Incredibly valid.

00:50:05,552 --> 00:50:06,552

Jeremy, you're valid.

00:50:06,622 --> 00:50:07,582

I want you to know that.

00:50:08,292 --> 00:50:11,242

I want you to, I want you to feel

safe and secure in the knowledge.

00:50:12,192 --> 00:50:17,192

You are excellent at what you do

because you should feel that way, and

00:50:17,192 --> 00:50:20,162

you wrote excellent theme music for us

and I appreciate the hell out of it.

00:50:20,162 --> 00:50:24,572

You can find more of Jeremy's work at

Jeremy sequel 40 two.bandcamp.com or on

00:50:24,572 --> 00:50:26,312

streaming surfaces as nuclear Jaguar.

00:50:27,302 --> 00:50:29,112

Laura: And thank you to

Angry Duck Time Machine.

00:50:29,627 --> 00:50:31,757

On Instagram for our podcast network.

00:50:32,152 --> 00:50:36,462

Xhafer: Aaron, you know, I had a

whole bit that I didn't do in this

00:50:36,492 --> 00:50:38,592

episode, or every time I said Dr.

00:50:38,592 --> 00:50:39,342

Prey in the dark.

00:50:39,342 --> 00:50:43,362

I was gonna ask you to play a little bit

of huba stanks, crawling in the dark.

00:50:44,347 --> 00:50:47,997

And then I had a joke where the

journal at the end offers the reason,

00:50:47,997 --> 00:50:50,357

and you could have played the other

Hoobastank song that people know.

00:50:50,907 --> 00:50:51,877

Laura: That's pretty funny.

00:50:52,342 --> 00:50:53,112

Xhafer: And I didn't do it.

00:50:53,112 --> 00:50:55,132

I forgot to call it out

at the first couple.

00:50:55,132 --> 00:50:58,142

And then we had gone too far and

I didn't want you to go back.

00:50:58,692 --> 00:51:01,492

So if you go back and do all

of that extra, thank you.

00:51:02,512 --> 00:51:07,392

But if you don't listen or know that it's

entirely my fault and not Aaron's who is.

00:51:07,717 --> 00:51:09,837

Also very valid and very

excellent at editing.

00:51:09,847 --> 00:51:11,287

Thank you so much for

all the time you put in.

00:51:12,567 --> 00:51:15,397

Laura: And thank you listener for

being here with us on the crusade.

00:51:15,577 --> 00:51:20,250

It's a long journey and uh, we

appreciate you for being here with us.

00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:22,700

We're doing this for you really like,

00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,010

you know, we, we know you need it, right?

00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,310

We can't wait to uh, share a

little more crusade with you

00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:32,910

and hopefully put together.

00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,110

A little crusade into the unknown

00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:40,970

Xhafer: Yeah, I got a, that's, I,

I really have to do that today.

00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:42,280

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:42,370 --> 00:51:42,800

Yeah.

00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:44,140

So stay tuned.

00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:44,660

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:45,620

All right.

00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,160

Well, we'll see you next week, internet.

00:51:47,633 --> 00:51:48,233

Laura: Bye.