My guest today is Roberto Klabin, founder of Caiman and SOS Pantanal.

Roberto is an incredible force of nature, for nature in the Pantanal. Ranchers and jaguars have clashed for more than 300 years in the Pantanal. Roberto's ongoing struggle to safeguard the incredible biodiversity in a place he loves is both moving and inspiring.

What you'll learn in this episode:

• From carbon credits to biodiversity credits - Everything you need to know
• How cattle became the mega fauna in the Pantanal, a biodiverse wetland
• Uncover the story about a leading conservation project featured on Planet Earth 3
• Why Roberto was called 'crazy' by his friends and family in his fight for nature

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