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When You Don’t Know How to Pray: Jesus’ Simple Guide (Pt 2)
Episode 510th October 2025 • Loveshaped Life • Bob Hayes and Nathan Stearman
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In this fifth episode, Nathan, Otavio, and Bob explore the practical center of Jesus's model prayer, unpacking three transformative requests—daily bread, forgiveness, and protection—that address our most immediate needs. This isn't prayer as religious performance but honest conversation with a Father who cares about everything from physical hunger to our deepest struggles with shame.

The conversation begins with "Give us today our daily bread," exploring both physical and spiritual nourishment. Bob connects this to Jesus as "the bread of life," while Nathan emphasizes the "us" dimension—praying for the hungry in our communities and participating in addressing need. The hosts highlight how "daily" calls us to present-moment mindfulness rather than future anxiety.

The discussion moves to forgiveness, which Otavio calls the "not easy" part. Bob addresses forgiving ourselves, describing guilt and shame as the devil's tools, emphasizing we must choose to let ourselves be loved by God. Nathan explains forgiveness as a cycle—withholding it collapses our own healing and builds toxicity.

Finally, the hosts address protection from temptation, offering practical examples like website blockers for known weak points. Bob concludes encouragingly: God is more interested in picking us up than condemning our falls.

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Nathan:

I think there's an interesting piece in which there's, this is almost contract language, which is a little heavy. It says, And forgive us our debts as we also forgive have forgiven our debtors. God, treat me with the treat me and the things I owe with the kind of generosity or lack thereof that I have extended toward those who have wounded me or not treated me in the way that I should have been treated. That's pretty heavy that there is this correlation that I'm saying, God, I want you to treat me just like I treat other people. I want you to let me off the hook. To the extent that I'm letting others off the hook. Am I overstating the case? Welcome to the Loveshaped Life podcast where we talk about our dream to see, experience and live in the wonder of God's love. We're in season seven and Episode Five. I'm here in the studio with my good friends, Otavio and Bob. How's it going? Good?

Otavio:

Definitely excited about this topic we're going to be discussing today. All right, we're

Nathan:

in the middle of Jesus teaching on prayer, right, right. And Bob,

Bob:

yeah, again, ditto. I'm excited to be here today, especially with both of you, and just allowing God to lead us to open his word and to discover more about the gift and the privilege of prayer

Nathan:

talking to God like we talked to a friend. So last week, we started this model prayer Jesus gave, again, not the prayer as Otavio mentioned for us in the last episode, not something that every time we want to talk to God, we got to follow this formula. But you know how there's, like that generic answer? This is, this is kind of the when everything's working right. This is the way to do it. That's what this is. And there's always the other places Jesus isn't giving a perfect answer for every situation just like this. This is the way when you're going to sit down and pray this. Here's the framework. So we're in the middle, and the middle begins with these two lines. I think we're going to are we going to go through those? Gonna go through the rest of the prayer? We haven't really decided that. We sort of talked about it. Should we give a shot for the rest of the prayer? Absolutely. And then in the third kind of prayer episode, we'll kind of clean up the pieces. All right, let's give it a shot.

Bob:

See, I'm wondering if you should just go ahead and start from the beginning of our father. Because, yeah, we could do that.

Nathan:

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. That's the next sentence that Give us today our daily bread that's new for us today. And again, we're remembering that the downside to this prayer is it's one of the most recognizable pieces in Scripture. The trouble with that is, when we hear these lines, we assume we've got it and we turn the podcast off and move on. Try to hear it for the first time, if possible, today. All right, Give us today our daily bread. What's going on

Otavio:

so immediately, what jumps to me is, when you think of the concept of daily bread, you're thinking of needs. You're thinking of in order to survive in life, a fundamental element if we're going to live is we have to have something that sustains us, right? It's a need. We have to eat. We have to be able to eat in order to survive, to be sustained. And what I see in this statement, Give us this day our daily bread is Jesus is essentially pointing out that when we go to God, we can rest assured that he is concerned with our means, the things that matter most to us, the things that are most important, things that are essential for our existence, they matter to God, and He cares about those, and we can trust that he's going to make sure those things are are taken care of. And so we can feel confident and comfortable leaving in God's hands the needs that we have because he's our Father who loves us and cares about us. Amen to

Nathan:

that and that there's a place in prayer for this. Now we've talked about other things and the kingdom the other things, as we talked about last time, living out the way of God in our lives, in our place in the world does not supersede, or, I should say, does not overlook, the fact that I need to eat and so Jesus, there it is, right in the middle of this prayer. Is this. Space where Jesus is saying, talk to God about the things you need, right? Well,

Bob:

remember, just before that, he was talking about that His will be done on earth as it is in heaven, when we had talked about that in the last episode about how that you know before we let go and embrace God, we're doing our own thing, right? We're really just following our own will, our own desires and so on. And then we we embrace God, and we're accepting Christ as our Savior, and he's changed our heart, and now we're finding joy in doing God's will and practically speaking about following his ways, right? But then, when it comes to daily living, right, we wake up every morning, and we still have challenges to face through the day. And so just like we need physical food to sustain us, we need spiritual food to sustain us in order that to be able to do the will of God. Do you see because, because, even though we've given our hearts to Lord, even though we're embracing Him, we still have, in the storyline of Scripture, a sinful disposition, right, a natural disposition to kind of lean towards our own ways, right? So receiving this daily bread is like aligning ourselves up with God for the day, right? You see, I'm saying it's, it's, it's making my heart lining it up with God and give me the strength to yield to God, because I know that's the way I choose to live, see. So giving us this day our daily bread is in in a spiritual sense is receiving spiritual food, right? There's physical food, but there's spiritual food as well. In John chapter six, you know, Jesus said something really interesting when he was talking, he said, I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven. He was talking about back in the days when, when Moses was the instrument in God's hand to deliver Israel from Egypt, and God had rained down manna, which was a basically a seed that they would turn into bread, right? Every day, it was just for them. What was there provided for them. So that's what he's commenting. Of commenting on Jesus is referring to it's not Moses who has given you bread from heaven, but is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. He's talking about this bread giving life, right? And then he goes on to say, I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty, right? So he, he's connecting himself with, he's the bread of heaven. So every day we can come into the presence of God. We were talking about the prayer, right? Coming into God and the presence and communicating with God. He's communicating with us, but in this, in this connection, he's he's imparting to us this bread for the day, the spiritual food for the day, will empower us to live the life that he wants us to live. This is the way he designed us. He designed us to be in a relationship, right? So just like we need physical food, every day, we eat our food, our body digests it, and then we get hungry again. It's the same thing spiritually, but he designing us to to sustain us in a relationship that we might stay and remain in that you see so clearly. God give us this day our daily bread is every morning. Imagine that the creator of the universe is just waiting for us, right? Wow. Saying good morning. Otavio, good morning. Nathan, welcome into my presence.

Otavio:

The daily part is so powerful.

Nathan:

Yeah, and I wanted to just say again, because I want to, I want to get to that the, I think the one thing I want to put in two things. One is that this is a spiritual request, but it's also a literal request for where we talk to God about the mortgage, where we talk to God about the grocery list for the day, etc, the very practical needs that we're facing, but the US. I also want to talk about the US. This is also where we pray about the hungry in our communities, the hungry in our world. And not just a prayer where we necessarily just generically say, be with the hungry people in the world, but where we would specifically say, God, you know, there's, there's kids coming to school here that are having facing food insecurity. So I'm praying that you would provide for that, and that you would help me to know what part I can play as I advance your kingdom. God help me to see today, what part can I play in helping alleviate What re. Sources do I have? How do you want me to participate in, in your response to meeting the need for hunger? So this is the US piece again. I'm not just praying, God fill my pantry, right? I'm also specifically saying us, we humanity. I'm coming on behalf of us. We have needs, and one of those things are very practical things, so this is a space for us to bring in those practical needs from our personal lives, our family, but also our community, where we specifically pray about human need, right?

Otavio:

That makes that makes sense, and it's for the time that it's needed, right? Because that and where you're going, what I sort of jumped in the daily part. Like, give us this give us this day, our daily bread. Like, whether it's the spiritual, whether it's the the physical, like God is concerned with both, like first and foremost, as it pertains to the spiritual. Good luck, you know, being able to penetrate someone about something spiritual when they have a physical Right, right? You know. And you see that in the life of Jesus, Jesus would literally come and take care of a person's physical need, and in taking care of that physical need, there was the opportunity for him to then point out, hey, you know, your physical need was just met, but what you really need is even bigger than that, and that's your spiritual need. And it's also that part of he gives it to you when you need it the most. He gives him like, we tend to be hoarders, right? We tend to be paid through I literally. I I was looking in my house the other day and I was like, Why do I have all of this stuff? I remember several years ago when the amount of things I had was literally so condensed. And I'm looking around Nathan look, part of it is having a child, and she has a good amount of stuff that takes but I'm like, so normally we're hoarders, and we end up having a lot more things than we need. And God is like, I'm concerned, and I want you to realize the importance of being concerned with the things that you need most,

Nathan:

right now? Yeah, let that idea that you're highlighting the daily right?

Otavio:

Because we oftentimes will jump over like, I don't know about y'all, but I'm, I'm the type where I'm planning and thinking weeks, months, years ahead, like I'm envisioning stuff of way up here, and in some instances, that's okay. In other instances, it drives me mad, because I'm like, wait, but I still got to deal with right now. Got to deal with today. So God takes care of the need of the needs of humanity, and he wants us to be concerned with the needs of humanity, whether that's our needs, whether that's the US needs. All you know, people around us as well, wants us to be concerned with that in the here and now.

Nathan:

It's interesting that there, there is this one of the things that's talked about a lot in wellness, especially spiritual wellness, that arena is mindfulness, and mindfulness kind of being present with today, right, consumed with tomorrow. What's interesting is that idea is, it's not actually some idea new to humanity or coming some new discovery. Jesus' idea of mindfulness may not be quite the same that we hold in the secular culture, but it is interesting that Jesus, because this isn't the only place he talks about daily here, but then later in his message, he brings it up again. Don't worry about tomorrow. There's enough stuff to deal with tomorrow. So it is fascinating. There's something fundamental to how we're designed as human beings, that when we're consumed with the future and its possibilities of either success or failure, that that's not actually healthy for us to live there. It's not wrong to plan. Jesus talks about planning in other places, but the life that we live should center in the present, even in how we talk to God in prayer, should be something where we're living in this day to day with God, less occupied and thoughtful of the future, not inappropriate, but also not sort of over focused, but really living in The moment. Now is what we now is actually where we live. We don't live tomorrow. We don't live yesterday. We really, truly live right now, right? And so there is this sense of us. Jesus is kind of dialing us into saying, let's think about living today. Well, right? And we'll let tomorrow sort of take care of itself.

Bob:

Right? Yeah, living in the moment, you know, because Tomorrow is not promised it right, but today is and everyone we come in contact with, today is an opportunity to impact them for God. So I want to go back to give us this day, right, our daily bread. If you look at the life of Jesus, like Mark, chapter one, verse 35 says he woke up early in the morning and went and found a quiet place, and there he prayed. Why was he doing that? I'm asking you questions.

Nathan:

Yeah, man, think he wanted to connect. He was seeking that connection, that spiritual

Bob:

connection, and he needed that connection because he was there for he's there to live a purpose throughout that day, right? He had purpose to do the will of his Father, to connect with the people that needed food in order to introduce them to something better, to connect with the people needed healing in order to reduce them to something higher. It's the same thing he wants to do with us, that we're or when we're in harmony with Him, that God would connect us and be help us to be aware of the people that are were around us they're needing right, so we can impact them for the day, so that that coming to God to get our daily bread right is sustaining us in order to resist the enemy Right, but then to be able to live for God, right? In the book of Isaiah, it says that the Lord God had given me the tongue of the learned that I should know how to speak the Lord Wait. Let me back up a minute. He awakens me Morning by morning, he awakens me to hear is the learned that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that he is weary. He wakes me Morning by morning, right? So God's waking us up in the morning to give us that daily bread so that the people that we can come in contact with. We're speaking a word in season two. I also think of, you know, John chapter 15, Jesus was talking about divine in the branch. You know that, yeah, the connection that he's divine, we're the branch. And he says, Without me, you can do nothing. So that that daily bread is that choosing to connect with God, to draw life from God, so that we can bear the fruit through the day, right? Because otherwise, we're end up striving in life, in our own strength. We can even end up seeking out of good intentions to do what God wants us to do, but we ended up doing it in our own strength, right? And then we fell miserably, right, right? That's all this daily bread. Yeah? Is is receiving a fresh supply of life from, you know, every day I like getting up early in the morning, you know, and I just listening to the birds sing, you know, then, as the is, the sun comes up and hearing them, then watching them and and you know, Jesus said, you know, consider the birds. You know, they don't sow, they don't reap, they don't gather in the barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. You know, there are literally about approximately 50 billion birds on our planet, and God feeds them every day, but there's not food sitting there in the nest when they get up, right? Visions have been made right, but they need to go out and get it right. So God has spiritual food for us, but we need to come and get it.

Nathan:

Yeah. Thank you. So we're gonna go to the next part of the prayer. It's interesting that in the English Give us today our daily bread and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors. It's interesting that kind of in the same line that I ask for my daily needs, that the next thing I do is talk about forgiveness. Let's talk about that. What's that about?

Bob:

Well, I'm going to throw a thought in here that again, you know, as we receive our daily bread, which is the life of God coming into us, right, on a daily basis, that it's aligning our hearts with him, that we can be empowered to forgive others as God has forgiven us.

19:12

Okay, okay,

Bob:

I'm not forgiving people in my own strength. Oh, I'm going to grit my teeth, I'm going to forgive you, or I'm going to say I'm going to forgive you, but I won't forget. You know, that's all lies, that's all nonsense. God forgives and lets it go. God wants us to forgive and let it go.

Otavio:

Wow. It's absolutely powerful. And just that, that idea and that concept of Forgive us our debts like there's an acknowledgement that we have to be willing to make that we are in need of forgiveness, like we. We're not perfect. We're not

Nathan:

like.

Otavio:

We have contributed. We personally and we need to own that we have contributed in ways now at times, probably more in the past, and others presently. But still, we have contributed to the best parts of God's kingdom being lived out in our world, not happening. We've contributed to them. And so now, as we're communicating with God, and we have approached him as our Father, as our parent, as our dad, who is open and inviting us and embracing us, right? And this God, who is love, who is holy, and we're yielding to his kingdom principles right? In so doing, we're also saying, Lord, I have failed to allow your kingdom, the best of your kingdom, to be realized in my life. Forgive me for that.

Nathan:

And this idea of debt too, I think is I owe something, right? I can't that. I've come short on, yep,

Bob:

I can't repay. I

Otavio:

can't write.

Nathan:

Whether that is, I didn't show up for that co worker who's been suffering. I didn't show up, right? And I know you and I've experienced your love, and it's not that I didn't show up and tell them this, like, give them us, you know, a study on God. I didn't show up with with a hug when they needed it. I stayed in my office because I was overwhelmed. I could have shown up and just put my arms around them and said, Listen, I'm here for you, right? I didn't show up, and I'm saying, God, forgive me for not showing up. And then there's a times where I did show up. I showed up with the angry words. I showed up with the the tirade in the text message. And that's a different kind of debt. I caused pain, right? And I really owe them love, right? And I think there's an interesting piece in which there's, this is almost contract language, which is a little heavy. It says, And forgive us our debts as we also forgive. Have forgiven our debtors, God, treat me with the treat me in the things I owe with the kind of generosity or lack thereof that I have extended toward those who have wounded me or not treated me in the way that I should have been treated that's pretty heavy, that there is this correlation that I'm saying, God, I want you to treat me just like I treat other people. I want you to let me off the hook. To the extent that I'm letting others off the hook. Am I overstating the case? I mean, correct me. If I am, maybe I am overstating the case.

Bob:

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Otavio:

And this is where it gets real, forgive me, like, this is where, like, think of the whole concept we're dealing with, prayer here, and prayer that communication and in order for healthy relationships to happen, healthy two way communication needs to happen, right? It needs to take place. All communication, though might be necessary, isn't always easy, right? And this would be one of those parts that I would say would be classified in the not as easy category, because, number one, we're now having to acknowledge guilt on our side. We're now having to acknowledge that we're in need of forgiveness for something. We have to acknowledge that we have a debt that we simply cannot repay, and that's never a comfortable place to be in, like if you think, just from a practical, physical standpoint, when you have a debt that you need to be forgiven. That's never a funny whether you got to make a phone call like, yo. I know it's the first of the month and I'm supposed to be paying you back what I borrowed the first of last month, but guess what? I actually need you to loan me a little bit more. I can't pay you like that's never a comfortable situation. Right, but yet God invites us to even have those types of conversations with him. And then that second part, and I'm willing to do this for others as well, and that is where it probably gets the most complicated and the most difficult in reality. And thus, now we're entering this part in prayer with God, where it's not even just merely communicating, but it's actually we're asking him to empower

Bob:

Right, right? That's it. Because, like Jesus said, Without me, you can do nothing, right? So we can't naturally forgive our own we have to receive God's life. We're receiving, we're accepting His forgiveness, and so then in this relationship, asking him for a heart that's willing to forgive others. You know, I'm saying because God's about character restoration, this whole plan that God has to take men from this dark position because of the effects of what the Bible calls sin on our world, to deliver us from that and restore us, restore us back into the very image of God, where we can love like him. It's character development. So character development requires exercise, and so we have to choose to exercise forgiveness. But as we forgive, we find freedom, right, right? But it is

Bob:

a choice. It's not consulting my feelings, right, saying, Do I feel like forgiving? It's making a conscious choice that I'm choosing to forgive, right?

Nathan:

So is there a correlation then, when I struggle with forgiving myself, is there potentially a correlation between my willingness to let others off the hook, to release my resentments toward others, toward Is there a connection between my willingness to release my resentments toward others and my experience of release for the failures that I have done. Perhaps

Bob:

we can separate the two. Maybe I'm wrong, but let's maybe we can talk about forgiving ourselves first, because I think that's a huge thing. What I'm saying is there, yeah, you're seeing if there's a connection. But I think if you we address the one, we find the solution to the other Okay, let's try it. Yeah, so the principle of forgiveness. Oftentimes we have found we've been in pastoring for a number of years combined, and we've got our own journeys to deal with, right that people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Right? True, even though we're accepting Christ and we're accepting forgiveness, we still have a hard time forgiving ourselves. So to forgive ourselves, I think a big step in forgiving ourselves is accepting the fact that I'm going to allow myself to be loved by God, to stop shaming and blaming myself, correct, right? Wow. So choosing making actual conscious decision that Lord, I'm going to accept the fact that I am loved by you, and I'm going to allow myself to be loved by you. That's that's a huge step, right, right? Because now we're not keeping them out here and holding on to something in here. I'm actually receiving that Right, right? And I need to make that conscious choice, because that's part of me being liberated. You see, I'm saying because God wants to remove all the guilt and shame. Yes, guilt and shame are the devil's tools for destroying us. And I believe they're siblings. We've talked about this in other episodes. I believe they're siblings, right? Because if guilt gets you unhealthy guilt and holds you down right then he invites shame to come in and finish you off. His shame is self hatred at my expense. So we end up hating ourselves because of something we've done in the past. And God is saying and Jesus is saying, I died for you that I might forgive you. And he's like that father that we talked about, just waiting to to lavish and pour upon you the joy of you being forgiven, and we're holding it back, right? Yep. So we've got to realize that, like you know, George Mueller said, don't, don't allow the sense of your unworthiness to hinder you from experiencing the promises of God. So mate, we still have to make a choice. So I did starting that road, and I speak to the audience, if you're listening here today as well, and you're struggling with forgiving yourself to to look into the character of God, first off, seeing that God is love and that you are valued in his eyes, you are a value in the eyes of God, and that He loves you and that he forgives you. You see that, you acknowledge that, but then you need to say, Lord, I choose to accept the fact that I am loved by you. I choose to allow myself to be loved by you, right, and allow His healing. To come in and set you free. So as a result that what I'm saying is, when we're experiencing that, I think it comes natural for us then to work through

Nathan:

forgiving others, right? Great. That's great. That's great. So, so the catch would be that, if I'm saying, God help me to experience your forgiveness, and then what I follow up with is clinging to resentment I will then regress in my experience of God's forgiveness. In other words, there's a dynamic here that I do receive and then pass on God's forgiveness if I interrupt that receiving and passing on. If I step in the middle of that, my own experience of forgiveness begins to collapse, correct? So it's only as I receive and then begin to extend that forgiveness, that cycle brings healing to me. Amen, when I pull back and say, You know what, I just am not going to extend this, then the guilt and shame starts building up in me, because the forgiveness of God stops impacting me the way I'm like stopping up the flow, and once I stop up the flow, the toxicity starts building

Bob:

up again. Good. That's why it goes back to give us this day our daily bread, in order to keep the freshness right? Of your relationship and your experience with God alive, yeah, but I want to just something. You said you mentioned the word, and I know you didn't. It's just a word, right? But oftentimes we say, God help me, right? I'm not sure if it's God help me, as if we're going to be part of the equation. God do in me, where you promise to do it right, right? Leave me out, yeah, because I'm helping, I will then do because you're empowering me, right, right? But it's not my help plus God's help, sure, sure, sure, sure. God working in me, right? That's why, sometimes, that's a phrase that oftentimes people use, God help me. And I know it's just a word, right? And God relates with you and works with your equations. But I think in reality, when we're saying, God just work in me, because I'm helpless. Yeah,

Nathan:

I mean, at the same time, I don't think removes our agency, which you've talked about, like, there is, we can sit in this chair and say, God, please give me spiritual nourishment and just, you know, close our eyes and wait for it. Or we can open our eyes and go say to Scripture, yeah, reflect the story of Jesus. So, so there is kind of that piece of we pray for. It we recognize our deep need of God, and then we take action in line with what we've prayed for.

Bob:

And now that you mentioned that, this is backing up, right? So give us this day our daily bread. And Jesus said he was the bread of life. I think practically speaking, the word of God is not just another book. There's power in the Word, right? So if you want to look at part of your receiving daily bread is learning to open the Word. I know may not be on a daily basis, sometimes we're praying, or whatever our communion is, but that's the bread spend time. There's life in the Word of God, right? Just like around here we have when we were, when our kids were little, we used to walk around and we would collect acorn seeds, you know, because they're kind of cute and everything. But it's amazing when you look at a little acorn, that you realize that there's a huge oak in that seed. All the ingredients for the oak is in that seat right there just need to be planted, all the ingredients for the character that Christ has developed within the Word of God, receiving it and feeding on it and empower you and transform you.

Nathan:

Yeah, that's powerful. So we get to move to the last two pieces. Did you have something you're going to say is lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Last two, two phrases, two lines in this prayer. What's up with that?

Otavio:

I see these as together. Okay, first of all, lead us not into temptation. First and foremost, that wording immediately jumps out to me as a little odd. Okay, the way it's it's phrase, lead us not into temptation. God isn't leading anyone in temptation, so that, I don't want us to misunderstand and think that that that's the case. Um, but basically, what God does do, and what God will do is he will basically help us to avoid temptation. And thus, now the connection of the other part to me so

Nathan:

temptation to just as in the like in, sort of in our Christian dialog, or what we're familiar with, temptation. Question would be giving into a desire that's leading down a wrong path, so unhealthy. Let's just say an example would be pornography, which we know the science says is devastating to the human sex drive, etc, which we're not going to go down that path, but it's, it's morally devastating, right? So temptation would be sitting on my computer and a pop up comes that pop up that's inviting me to click and go to that pornographic site. That pop up would be considered temptation as an example, temptation comes up, was it? It's that, it's that thing that draws me in toward making a decision that's harming myself or others,

Otavio:

right, right? Absolutely and contextually, you can even connect it to forgiveness. Think about it for a second, like somebody has done something wrong to you. It's not always easy to forgive. We shouldn't even remotely tried to paint the picture that forgiveness is this thing that just, well, just forgive them. It's easy, right, right, right depends on the nature of the offense. In reality, the deeper the offense, the more difficult the ability to forgive. But here's the reality, that's a temptation not to forgive right, that is literally connected to the next part. But deliver us from evil mind says, or deliver us from the evil one. There's, there's an enemy basically speaking into our mind saying, Don't forgive him, don't forgive her, don't know. No, no, you can't remember what they did. That's a temptation, right there. And so for me, it's there, it's connected. And even the example you gave that's still that's a temptation as well, right? The reality is this, if we're going to resist temptation, we can't resist it on our own. We need help from God, not even just help from we need empowerment. We need the power of God to deliver us from temptation and deliver us from the evil one.

Bob:

And again, if you, if you look at the context of Scripture, and when we're talking about leading us into temptation, it's leading away from the will of God, leading us to live outside of harmony with the will of God. Isaiah 53 talks about iniquity. You know, every man is turned by, turned to his own way, right? So sin is really our own waywardness, right? So lead us not in temptation, but deliver us from the evil one, right, lead us not into our own waywardness, right, don't, don't, don't lead me astray from doing my own thing, like not forgiving, right? Like, like, like not caring for a person that I see. Because really, when you see our own waywardness, it's just coming short of loving, like God, right, right, right, right. So we got these bigger temptations which lure us in. You talked about pornography or whatever the case may be. But then there's just daily living to love like God, yes, you see versus, versus yielding to my own selfish heart in this is our prayer. You know your will be done on heaven, in heaven as it is on earth, right? Give us this day our daily bread. And then, you know, it goes on about Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. Lead us not to temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Don't, don't, don't, don't, lead us down this world of our own waywardness. That's the way of the evil one. Lead us down the road of of other centered living.

Nathan:

So could I say in practical terms, like, I could pray a prayer, kind of, within this framework, part of my prayer could be God today, you know, you know, the areas that I where I'm I'm the weakest, the parts of my life that kind of, I most easily fall off the tracks today as you're leading me. Lead me in a path, whether it's work, decisions, family encounters, that skirts those weak points as much as possible, doesn't mean we're not going to counter them. That's where growth happens, but praying that God will so we can specifically pray for situations where we know compromise or falling off the tracks is likely, and I think part of that is is in the prayer is that we are acknowledging our need for God to sustain us in that area. It's kind of an awareness as we move into the day, we're moving into it with intentionality of trusting God rather than sort of just pretend. Things are going to work out. And then the other piece would be a protection from external forces that try to knock us off the track. Would be that piece, you know, again, however, that would be that protection in this case, which we haven't talked a lot about the enemy, which is satan in this in the big scheme of things, specifically a prayer for demonic forces and then other evil forces. In addition to that in the world, saying, God, please keep those forces from knocking me off the track today, absolutely so good to wrap. Wrap up, unless you had something.

Bob:

Well, I just want to add the practical, another practical strike in Book of Romans, the 13th chapter, where the apostle Paul said, don't make any provisions for the flesh the lust thereof, right? So, in other words, lead us not into temptation, making a decision that I'm not going to make any provisions for my own weakness, right? Right? If I know I have weak tendencies in certain areas, I want to make sure I'm not making provisions for me to fulfill right to fall into temptation is just smart. If I, if I, if I struggle with something, then I need to stay away from it, right? So if I

Nathan:

don't want to stop at McDonald's on my way to work, then just choose a different route to work. I mean, I'm using that kind of thought a silly example, but that's the idea, right? Yeah. In other words, I'm gonna take the different turn today so it doesn't take me back past that.

Bob:

Well, you mentioned pornography. If I'm struggling with pornography, then there's plenty of programs that I can get that will block all sites on my computer and my phone. I had a friend that was struggling with it. His wife had the password, right? So that was it. He couldn't get anywhere because he was cutting off all provisions for his flesh. It's just practical. We're praying, but I need to follow through and be smart, right? Don't, don't allow the enemy, because the enemy is going to take it down. And the Bible says the heart is deceive, of all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it, we will actually deceive ourselves more than the devil will deceive us because we rationalize, yeah, that's a whole nother topic. We I know it's a whole other topic, but we're talking about, yeah, don't lead us into temptation, or in a practical sense, there's the strength that comes from God. But then there's making clear decisions. That's

Nathan:

good. So we get to wrap up. Unfortunately, we're out of time. See experience, live those three questions, words we always like to come back to, how do you see God out of this episode? See God as taking care of for us, the things that we need the most when you need it most, spiritually, physically, that's good.

Bob:

I see God inviting us into this relationship, in providing the needs of what we need in that relationship on a daily basis. Right? So it's a it's a daily cycle and a daily rhythm in this relationship, right, receiving from God and giving and then coming back the next day and receiving and giving. So I see God as being a provider in that sense, and making everything all the provisions that we need to have a healthy relationship with him

Nathan:

and with each other, right? So I'm going to answer the experience question, just at least one for me. I think part of the experience for me is God's intimate God's interest in intimate participation in my life. And I'm thinking of that the lead us, not into temptation, delivers from evil. That last piece where God, I don't have to sit there and ask God for every left turn, right turn. Like, what do like I'm just a robot, but at the same time, God is deeply interested in intimate participation in my life today. And I love that sort of that experience. Piece would be recognizing that and enjoying that sense of God walking through the day with Jesus. Yeah,

Bob:

and I want to add to that, that the this journey that we're on with God is an experiential one. So it's that, what you're saying, you know, it's that experience is a is an experiential one. In other words, we got to engage in it, and choose to engage in it, and then we grow in it. And because it's new territory,

Nathan:

right? And we're humanly, I want to what's coming to mind is humanly, we're wired with the, you might say, the antennas to pick up on God's presence and work. And so our journey in connecting with God and building relationship with Him is, in essence, awakening, what may be dormant, awakening to we're wired with the antennas, but they may be, you know, they may not be cranked up. And so the spiritual journey, as we enter this following Jesus is it's letting those intent. Us kind of unfurl and become more sensitive to God's presence showing up. So live, live. Last one,

Bob:

live, I just want to say again, engaging in that journey, you know, coming to God in the morning, and choosing to live and remembering, you know, lead us, not in temptation, but also remembering the promise, the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, though he fall, though he fall, he shall not be cast down, for the Lord upholds him with his hand. God is more interested in picking you up than he is about your fall. Hey, that's awesome. So the Christian is going to fall, right? That's reality, because that's part of growth. Yeah, I'm not talking about staying there and making excuses for somewhere. I'm just talking about living right. You know, there's gonna be times where you perhaps lose your temper. There's gonna be times where you say things you shouldn't say, right? This is just part of the journey, but it's just as much evidence that God is working with you. If you turn around, make it

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right, yep, yep, yep, that's right. So

Bob:

that's living for me, yeah, that's just good and enjoy the journey. Yeah, awesome for

Otavio:

me, living connect with God daily, just that simple. Connect with God daily, whether that's for the complicated things, whether that's for the basic needs, whether that's the spirit, whatever it might be, connect with God or

Bob:

thanks giving gratitude, beautiful.

Nathan:

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