In part three of my discussion with Manvir, she related Bitcoin to the idea of “heaven on earth”. While she found the Bitcoin world initially daunting, she emphasized the importance of community learning, recommending “The Hidden Secrets of Money” on YouTube to grasp the history of money. Manvir stressed that even without a formal education in finance, individuals can and should equip themselves with financial knowledge. A significant takeaway? Investing in Bitcoin doesn't require purchasing an entire unit; even a small amount can be a start. Manvir anticipates learning more through the Bitcoin mining board game, "HODL UP". As the episode wraps up, Manvir encourages listeners to trust their intuition.

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Hey, everybody.

Today, you're listening to part three of my conversation with Manvir.

So in terms of your everyday life, not the extraordinary vision that you have,

to work with the prisoners, but just in terms of practical everyday life, how

has understanding Bitcoin or entering the Bitcoin space changed the way you view

your everyday life that you're living?

And how do you talk to your kids about it?

Yeah.

So my, let's see, how do I talk to my kids about it?

You know, Michael Saylor says that Bitcoin is hope, right?

And like, when I hear the word "hope", I'm like, heaven on planet earth.

Right.

So I envision a future that has abundance and prosperity for all human beings.

Like the, the promises that are kept in the Bible, right?

And my prayer is, like, okay, God, how can we bring, bring Your promises here...

and I, I believe that Bitcoin is part of that fulfillment of that promise.

I try and learn about Bitcoin and how it can be used.

And I know that it sounds kind of complicated, but I, I would suggest

going to meetups and trying to meet people, so you can understand it.

And I just purchased your game, HODL UP.

I'm hoping to, like, be able to learn more about how you're using it and how,

how you can like, learn to understand it.

Yeah, there are so many tools out there.

There are so many people in this space, working hard every day to

make it more accessible to people who are not yet in this space.

So it's very, very exciting to be a part of this....

we all believe to be a revolution.

So, what would you suggest the first step to be for somebody who is just

sitting on the fence who's kind of curious, but not yet committed to

reading for the next, you know, reading for a hundred hours to understand

this thing that seems so complicated.

There was, there's a, a 10 part video series on YouTube.

It was free.

And I want to say it was called like "the Hidden Secrets of Money"

or something to that effect.

I had recently watched that.

And it, it kind of laid out the history of money.

I thought that was really good, and it was easy to understand.

It didn't go into depth about Bitcoin, but what it did go into

depth about is understanding, how is money created, and like, how did

we get to where we are right now.

So, so that's where I would start is, is watching that.

And actually meeting, meeting people.

Like, for me, you know, when I'd had that concussion, it was very

hard for me to process information by like reading it, right?

A lot of my...

yeah, so like, it's helpful to have people help one another.

Like, okay, how do I...

what does this mean?

How do I understand that?

Why is this important?

Like, if I work hard and I make a hundred dollars, why is it that if

I make a hundred dollars, and I put it into the bank account, 10 years

later, it's not worth anything?

Or it's, you know, it's worth 50 dollars worth of, you know, buying capital.

I, I like my, my parents are immigrants, right?

So like all, all I was ever taught was like, you work hard, you keep on saving

your money, you keep on saving your money.

And like, we didn't have like all of this knowledge of, okay, you invest it

this way, and this is how you manage a Roth IRA and a 401k, and like, you know,

purchase stocks and, you know, mutual funds and all sorts of things, right?

That like, that just was never there.

That wasn't even part of our community.

Like, we didn't know any of those conversations.

And it seems so overwhelming and complicated that...

okay, there's no way I could ever learn this.

And I thought it's really interesting that you can, you know, you can

graduate high school, and you're not even taught how to manage your money or

your checking account or bank account.

And you can get a PhD and become a doctor or a dentist or engineer

and know nothing about money.

And like, why is that?

Why aren't people...

like, why, why isn't there a high school course or a university course that goes

over all these fundamental principles?

That doesn't seem right.

I think it's interesting you mentioned that your parents looked

at it as a, you know, "work hard and save money" kind of approach,

because that is common sense.

It makes sense that you work hard and you, you're frugal and you're

careful with your spending and...

the excess that you have, you should be able to build from that.

And I remember very well, cause I'm an immigrant as well, and

I remember my grandparents, you know, my grandparents and my aunt

and uncles, always handling cash.

Everything was physically in front of you.

You can touch it, you can feel it.

And so when you start to save money, you feel your wealth growing.

And then they would...

when you talk about investments and all the financial strategies

of, you know, balancing risk and returns and things like that, you

go into the realm of abstraction.

And then it starts to seem very complicated.

And then it almost separates people into classes.

In one class, you have people who just understand the common sense part, which

is, you work hard, you save money and you get ahead by buying things with cash.

You know, or you're saving up for down payments or something.

And then you have the other class, where they're taking advantage of the

way our monetary system is set up...

you know, being close to the money source and understanding that, that

the banks have access to printed money, and then you have access to low cost

loans and things like that, and you start to roll your money into high

risk and high return kind of projects.

Like, you have these two classes of people.

So if you don't grow up with that understanding, that there's this whole

other way and whole other kind of math...

of multiplying your, your net worth, that you kind of, you

almost get stuck in that one class.

Does that make sense?

Like it, it feels to me almost like if you're lucky enough to grow up in a family

that understands those math or you went specifically into college and graduate

schools to study that kind of stuff, then you have a chance of taking advantage of

the monetary system as it works today.

Otherwise, you're kind of stuck in that traditional thinking, and our monetary

system veered from that a long time ago.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that we need to have education around all of this, right.

And I mean, I couldn't educate my kids about this until just a couple

of years ago, because I didn't understand any of it, myself.

Or, you know, where do you, where do you go from here?

Yeah, for sure.

And, and I think, for me, also talking to my kids, I always come from the

point of view that Bitcoin is hope, because it simplifies things, even

though it seems very complicated.

It actually simplifies things.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, another misconception people might have is,

oh, in order to buy Bitcoin you have to, you know, buy a whole Bitcoin,

which is, whatever, $30,000 today.

Actually, you can buy $5 worth of Bitcoin.

You don't have to buy millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin, right?

Yeah, for sure.

I'm excited to get your game and to play that and

see and spread the message.

Yeah, definitely.

We've had such amazing feedback from every place that we have brought the game to and

played with bitcoiners and their families.

And it demystifies what Bticoin is, and that, I think, is the

greatest value, in that, you know...

if you have this preconceived notion that it is something beyond your

ability to understand, you're not even going to take the first step.

And the whole point is, if you take one step toward it, it almost

takes one step toward toward you.

If that makes any sense.

There are so many resources out there, you know, and this is, our game is, is one.

And then you have the YouTube videos that you referred to, and there are lots of

people making free contents out there.

Mi Primer being one, you know, a lot of podcasts, and

so much educational material.

You just have to allow yourself to take that first step of curiosity and just

start asking questions and believe that it's possible for you to understand it.

Yeah, totally.

And if you don't understand it from, like, one content provider, go find another.

There's so many different people on YouTube explaining

stuff in different ways.

Yeah, that is so true.

Wonderful.

Well, thank you so much.

Do you have any last recommendations for the women who are listening out there?

Trust your intuition on this one.

Wonderful.

Wonderful.

Thank you so much for your time and for chatting with us.

And I definitely want to invite you back to hear updates on

that project that you started.

Yeah.

Thank you so much, Tali.

Thank you.

Thank you for joining us today.

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