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:Welcome to Perspectives.
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:Fasken's Legal Voices on Business.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Hi everyone. My name is Tshepo Mokoana, an Associate at Fasken and today I'm joined by
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:Pension Law partner and colleague, Rosemary Hunter.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Hi, Rose.
Rosemary Hunter:
:Hi everyone. Hi to all our listeners.
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:In this podcast, we'll talk about a very interesting judgement handed down by the
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:Constitutional Court on 14th March 2022, and that is the Municipal Employees Pension Fund
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:and another versus Casey and another.
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:It's very interesting for the precedence that it gives to the pension law industry.
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:So to just jump right into it, the facts of the matter are that the Ngaka Modiri Molema
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:District municipality employed Daniel McKenzie as its Chief Audit Executive on a
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:five year fixed term contract.
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:When her employment commenced in February 2012.
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:She and the municipality together completed an application form for her membership of the
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:Municipal Employees Pension Fund.
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:At that time, no one told her that in terms of the rules of the fund, only permanently
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:employed municipal employees could become members.
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:So the municipality deducted both member and employer contributions from Ms.
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:McKenzie's monthly remuneration and then paid them to the fund.
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:She was then subsequently treated as a member.
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:Two years later, Ms.
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:McKenzie discovered that she had never been eligible for membership of the fund in terms
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:of its rules, so the municipality, being her employer, stopped deducting and paying
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:contributions to the fund and then asked the fund to refund her all the contributions she
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:had then paid to that date approximately 850,000 with interest.
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:The fund refused that request, saying that she had indeed become a member and enjoyed
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:all membership benefits, including death and disability cover.
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:Her contract then expired two and a half years later and the stand off with the fund
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:had not been resolved.
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:The fund then paid her an early withdrawal benefit based only on her member
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:contributions and from which tax had been deducted.
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:She was naturally aggrieved by this and so lodged a complaint against the fund with the
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:pension fund's adjudicator.
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:In it, she asked the adjudicator to order the fund to pay her the balance of her
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:contributions, plus interest.
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:After considering the submissions of both parties, the adjudicator granted the order
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:Ms. McKenzie has sought but dissatisfied by that.
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:The fund then applied to the High Court in terms of PAJA or the Promotion of
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:Administrative Justice Act for an order reviewing and setting aside the determination
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:of the pension fund's adjudicator and its order.
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:At the same time, they appealed the adjudicators findings in terms of Section
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:30-P of the Pension Funds Act.
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:And from there that's where things got interesting.
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:So that's where I'd like you Rose to explain to our listeners as to why.
Rosemary Hunter:
:Thank you, sir. Well, that's a good summary.
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:As you said, this case did get interesting.
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:In fact, it got so interesting that it ended up in the Constitutional Court.
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:So let me walk you through the steps of how it got there and what the final outcome was.
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:The High Court agreed with the adjudicator and found in favour of Ms.
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:McKenzie, but the fund was unhappy with this, so it appealed against the High Court's
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:rulings to the Supreme Court of Appeal.
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:Unfortunately, Ms.
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:Manga Coetzer being an individual, could not afford to appoint lawyers to defend the
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:findings of the adjudicator in the High Court, and so she was not represented at the
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:hearing before the Supreme Court of Appeal.
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:So the the judge, President of the Supreme Court, Justice Meyer, asked the Bloemfontein
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:Bar to appoint one of its members, one of the advocates, to present arguments as an
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:amicus or friend of the court so that the court wouldn't hear arguments only from one
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:side. So after hearing the two sets of arguments, the Supreme Court of Appeal, like
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:the High Court and like the adjudicator, ruled in favour of Ms.
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:Mongeau Coetzer and against the fund.
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:But then the fund successfully sought leave to appeal to the Constitutional Court.
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:Now, I'd been very impressed by the judgement of Justice Malcolm Wallace for the
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:majority of the Supreme Court bench because he's such a teacher in the way that he writes
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:his judgements. And he helpfully addressed and clarified many issues of relevance to
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:retirement funds generally.
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:So I was a bit concerned that when I heard that this matter was going to the
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:Constitutional Court, I was concerned particularly because if Ms.
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:Mckenzie had not been able to afford representation in the Supreme Court of
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:Appeal, it was likely she wouldn't be able to be represented before the Constitutional
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:Court. So I brought this to the attention.
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:I contacted the Centre for Applied Legal Studies at the University of the
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:Witwatersrand wits because I was aware that Cals had a special interest in human rights
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:issues relating to retirement funds.
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:So I told them that about the main issues, legal issues that were important not just to
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:Ms. Mongeau Coetzer, but to retirement funds generally.
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:And I asked if it would be willing to apply for leave to intervene as an amicus.
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:Fortunately it was, and advocate Sandile Khumalo is a senior counsel and one of our
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:leading pension law specialists at the bar.
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:You agreed to act on behalf of Carl's pro bono.
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:And as expected, Ms.
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:Mongeau Ketsi was not represented at the hearing, and I think that the Constitutional
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:Court derived considerable benefit from the submissions of made by Advocate Khumalo on
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:behalf of Kells during the hearing, which took place in November last year.
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:Yeah. So Rose, what were then the big issues that the Court from the High Court until the
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:Constitutional Court had to deal with in this matter?
Rosemary Hunter:
:Sure. As in most litigation, there were skirmishes between the parties on a wide
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:range of issues. But I want to deal with only three and then only with what the
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:Constitutional court had to say about them.
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:Even though I thought the Supreme Court of Appeal court judge, the majority judgement
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:was particularly good.
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:These issues might seem a bit technical, but as I said, they're very important for the
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:retirement industry as a whole.
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:And those who are, I think, legal advisers, trustees and others who who are deeply
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:involved in it would understand why they are important.
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:So the first issue was about membership of a fund and whether Ms.
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:Mongeau had become a member of the fund because she had applied for membership and
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:had been paying contributions for two years and so on.
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:The fund's argument was that Ms.
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:Mongeau became a member of the fund, even if its rules had disqualified her from
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:membership because there was a rule that said that the board could decide whether
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:somebody met the eligibility criteria or not.
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:The second argument of the fund was that Ms.
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:Mongeau estopped from arguing that she had not become a member because she had made a
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:representation that she was a member by paying contributions to the fund.
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:And so she had represented to the fund that she was entitled to be a member.
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:And she was either estopped from arguing that she was not or she had waived her right
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:to argue that she was not.
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:Now, just a side note, estoppel is a formal legal term.
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:A person may be estopped from asserting a right or raising a defense to a claim that is
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:inconsistent with their own prior conduct, provided that the claim itself is not based
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:on invalid conduct.
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:Justice Rogers, on behalf of the unanimous bench of the Constitutional Court, rejected
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:both of these arguments by the fund.
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:He reaffirmed that one the rules of a fund are binding on it in terms of Section 13 of
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:the Pension Funds Act, and two, conduct that is not authorized by the rules of the fund is
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:ultra vires, so it's beyond the powers of the fund and accordingly invalid.
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:He also confirmed that the principle of estoppel can't be used to make what is
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:invalid valid.
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:So the second issue was whether the pension fund's adjudicator had jurisdiction to
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:determine the dispute.
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:Not surprisingly, the fund argued that if Ms.
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:Mckenzie had never become a member of the fund, then the adjudicator did not have
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:jurisdiction to determine the dispute because Mink's manganese scherzo could not
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:fall within the definition of complainant as defined in the Pension Funds Act and the
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:Section one of the Pension Funds Act defines a any person who is or claims to be a member
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:of the or former member of a fund, a beneficiary or former beneficiary of a fund,
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:an employer that participates in a fund, a spouse or former spouse of a member or former
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:member of a fund, any group of people who are of that kind, the board of a fund and any
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:person who has an interest in the complaint.
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:Yeah. So this was an argument that found favour with two of the five judges in the
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:Supreme Court of Appeal.
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:They said she wasn't a member or former member and she wasn't any of the others.
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:And you couldn't just have an interest in a complaint if there wasn't somebody else who
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:who had raised the complaint in the first place.
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:But before the Constitutional Court Advocate Khumalo, on behalf of Carl's, argued that the
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:interpretation of the Act should be done with due regard to the constitutional rights
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:at stake, including the right to Social Security.
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:Basically arguing that fund's retirement funds are vehicles for delivery of Social
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:Security benefits.
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:And that's a right under section 27 of the Bill of Rights.
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:It also should be taken into account as the right to have legal disputes decided in a
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:fair public hearing in terms of Section 34 of the Bill of Rights.
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:So Advocate Khumalo pointed out that if the adjudicator could not entertain complaints
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:from people who were improperly admitted to membership, their only recourse would be to
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:litigate in the High Court, which boast would not be able to afford to do so.
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:While Carl's agreed that Ms.
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:Coetzer did not fall within the scope of A to C of the definition, that's the member,
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:former member beneficiary, former beneficiary, and so on.
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:It argued she did fall within the scope of Paragraph D because she had an interest in a
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:complaint as defined the fund.
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:On the other hand, said that the term complaint is defined as a complaint of a
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:complainant. So you can't have a complaint without a complainant.
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:And that was a very literal reading of it.
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:But the Constitutional Court chose to adopt a wide interpretation of paragraph D of the
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:definition of complaint, saying a person who has an interest in a complaint should not be
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:confined to a person who has an interest in an existing complaint by another person who
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:was a member, a former member beneficiary, former beneficiary, and so on.
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:So what limits the adjudicators jurisdiction, the court said, was the
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:definition of the term complaint, not complainant.
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:And it found that the dispute concerning Miss Mungo demand for a refund of her
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:contributions was in fact a complaint relating to the administration of the fund.
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:And so the adjudicator did have jurisdiction to determine it.
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:The third issue was finally a smaller issue, but still important was who was entitled to a
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:refund of the contributions paid by the municipality to the fund for Miss Mungo's
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:benefit. Now, as you know, under the Pension Funds Act, it's the employer's responsibility
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:to pay not only its own contributions, but if there are contributions to be paid.
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:In terms of the rules by the member, it is the employer's job to deduct those
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:contributions from the member's salary and pay them to the fund.
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:And the employer wasn't a party to this litigation.
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:So what Miss Mungo was claiming was a refund of her contributions plus interest on the
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:basis that the fund had been unjustifiably enriched by those contributions because it
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:had never been entitled to be paid them, and she had suffered a loss as a result of of the
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:unlawful invalid payment of those contributions.
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:One of the Supreme Court of Appeal judges had held that since it was the municipality
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:that had been responsible for deducting and paying the contributions, it was the
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:municipality that should have been claiming them back.
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:But Justice Rogers of the Constitutional Court disagreed with us.
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:And he said, and I quote, The municipality in law owed Miss Mungo her full salary.
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:She authorized the municipality to pay part of it to the MEPF.
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:The fund in this case, if A owes money to B and B instructs A to discharge the debt by
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:paying the money to C in discharge of a debt which B mistakenly believes she owes to C,
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:then it is b Miss Mungo in this case and not A municipality who can pursue the condictary
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:in deputy against the against C, which is the fund.
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:And that's a general general principle of these kinds of claims.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Yeah. Well, it seems to me that the main lessons to be drawn from this judgement are
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:threefold. One, that a fund has to be very careful about ensuring that it acts strictly
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:within the limits of the powers given to it in terms of its rules.
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:In particular, it must check whether each person who signs up for membership is in fact
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:eligible for membership of the fund.
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:And by the way, this was a lesson that all funds should have learned from the Brian
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:Molefe and Eskom Pension and Provident Fund case.
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:But secondly, based on this Concourt ruling, the previous assumption of what is and what
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:is not a complainant has been revised specifically regarding who is entitled to
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:take a grievance to the adjudicator.
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:And thirdly, just because an employer has a duty in terms of Section 13 a of the Pension
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:Funds Act to act as the conduit for the payment of contributions to an occupational
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:retirement fund. That doesn't mean that any refunds payable by the fund in respect of a
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:member must be paid to the employer.
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:The true source of the contribution is the remuneration of the member and by
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:consequence, the member itself.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:I'm not sure. Rose, did I summarise the judgement nicely?
Rosemary Hunter:
:Yes, you did. Tshepo.
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:Just a couple of things.
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:You mentioned that a retirement fund should have a proper procedure in place to try to
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:minimise the risks that they sign up people who are not in fact eligible for membership
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:because it can be a big process.
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:Now they have to pay to reverse all these transactions, disinvest money, work out what
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:they owe the member and so on.
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:So certainly I think that a fund should devise a procedure for making sure that an
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:employer certifies that a member falls within whatever the categories of eligible
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:members, so that they would have to answer questions that they could be held accountable
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:for. Like, you know, was the person employed in terms of a fixed term contract?
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:How long is that fixed term contract or was that person employed in terms of a permanent
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:contract of employment and so on, all the eligibility criteria.
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:But there's another angle that wasn't addressed at all in this case, but something
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:that I think that employers should think about is the risks that they may take if they
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:are signing people up for membership of a fund without checking that their employees
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:are in fact entitled to be members of those funds because it's from the employers that
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:most new employees, most new employees expect their employers to know what their
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:rights and obligations are in relation to employee benefits.
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:And so I think that it's important that an employer also has a trains its HR staff who
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:makes sure that its HR staff are well versed in the rules of the various funds in which
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:the employer might be participating so that they know to advise them, the employees, or
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:to tell the employees that you must belong to this fund or you can't belong to that fund
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:and so on. And I think that that's just one of a range of things that employers should be
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:careful when they're onboarding new employees to address.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Yeah. And from what you've just said, I think perhaps the other thing is to review their
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:membership forms, that it could be clear from the forms itself whether one is eligible
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:for membership and that possibly could have avoided something in a case like this.
Rosemary Hunter:
:Yeah, that's entirely right.
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:And so I'm sure you would agree with me that this case.
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:And the sort of surrounding issues show that pension laws are constantly evolving and it
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:remains interesting and absorbing for people like me and you for a long time to come.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Indeed.
Rosemary Hunter:
:Thank you. It's been a pleasure to chat to you about the case today.
Rosemary Hunter:
:Cheers.
Tshepo Mokoana:
:Likewise. Goodbye.