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Today we are chatting with military veteran & chiropractor, Dr. Dana Kind. Born in Detroit, he joined the Army after high school and spent 2 years in Germany as a Military Police. Then, after 9/11, he was reactivated with the military and spent two and a half years fighting the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Dr. Dana received a degree in Law Enforcement and then went on to receive a BA in International Relations. However, after working in the field, he decided he didn’t want to work for the Government and wanted to help people more directly so he went to Chiropractic College at Sherman College. He spent the next five years treating patients all around Georgia & the Atlanta area. Dr. Dana is an exceptionally skilled chiropractor with more than 16 years of experience in the field. He has a strong commitment to providing high-quality care for patients of all ages and is experienced in a range of healthcare settings, including shared practices, private practices, and rehabilitation centers.
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✅CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
06:40 How & why Dr. Dana became a Chiropractor
11:22 What Chiropractors do
13:04 Posture
15:47 Treating Migraines + Hormonal conditions
17:32 Emotional Release
20:52 Crap Vitamins
22:53 Nervous System Health
27:39 How Dr. Dana is Different
30:28 Biohacking with Art
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[00:00:00] Dr. Dana Kind
[00:00:10] Dr. Dana Kind: that's the hardest thing doing what I want to do, and then having people come and say, well, my insurance covers this or that, and it's like, I don't care what your insurance covers. Let's figure it out and make it happen.
[00:00:22] Dr. Dana Kind: And I've had many times where the insurance companies are saying, well, we'll only allow this many visits. And I'm like, well, whatever. We'll figure it out. And I work with the patients and financial situations so that they can get treated and I don't really care about Oh, you must do exactly this way, and if you don't, sorry, go away.
[00:00:41] Dr. Dana Kind: I won't do that to people.
[00:00:43] Meredith: What's up fishy family? I have to ask, what is the deal with chiropractors? What do they actually do, and how are they different than medical doctors or physical therapists? Find out in this incredible episode as we explore your body's command center, which includes the brain, spinal cord, and a complex system of nerves.
[00:01:08] Meredith: Also known as. Your nervous system. Before we dive in, invite everyone you think would benefit from listening to this episode and rate this show. On Apple or Spotify or simply like share and subscribe on YouTube. This show is a labor of love. Join the hashtag fishy movement with a one-off donation, or become a member for as low as $5 a month.
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[00:03:25] Meredith: This show introduces them to you. Today we are chatting with my friend, military veteran, and chiropractor Dr. Dana Kin. Born in Detroit. He joined the Army after high school, and he spent two years in Germany as a military police. Then after nine 11, he was reactivated with the military and spent two and a half years fighting the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
[00:03:51] Meredith: Dr. Dana received a degree in law enforcement and then went on to receive a BA in International relations. However, after working in the field, he decided he didn't wanna work for the government. And wanted to help people more directly, so he went to chiropractic college at Sherman College. He spent the next five years treating patients all around Georgia and the Atlanta area.
[00:04:15] Meredith: Dr. Dana is an exceptionally skilled chiropractor with more than 16 years of experience in the field. He has a strong commitment to providing high quality care for patients of all ages, and is experienced in a range of healthcare settings, including shared practices. Private practices and rehabilitation centers.
[00:04:36] Meredith: Dr. Dana Kind, I am thrilled to be here with you today. How are you?
[00:04:45] Dr. Dana Kind: I'm great.
[00:04:48] Meredith: Yeah, it really is awesome. I'm so happy to have you here on the show cuz it really is full circle from the time we met. So I know
[00:04:57] Dr. Dana Kind: you've done a lot of things since then and I'm just so impressed with what you've done and this is a great, outlet and what you're dealing with your photography and health is, and how you integrated all that is.
[00:05:09] Meredith: Well, thank you so much and you're definitely, we're definitely one of the people along the path. So before we let everyone know the story about that, I am curious, I have to know, what did you eat for breakfast this morning?
[00:05:24] Dr. Dana Kind: What did I have? I actually was very bad today and I was in a hurry and I didn't eat anything until lunchtime, so I got up and just got on the road and, I had to go across town, so I didn't eat anything for breakfast, but I just had a sandwich for lunch.
[00:05:39] Dr. Dana Kind: So it was just a roast beef. Awesome sandwich. Yeah. That's it. Easy. Sounds
[00:05:45] Meredith: good. Sauerkraut
[00:05:46] Dr. Dana Kind: on there? No, unfortunately just lettuce and cheese and That's okay.
[00:05:51] Meredith: That is okay. Totally. Yeah. I feel like it's a common thing. People come on the show, they're like, I didn't eat breakfast. And I'm like, crap. Well,
[00:05:58] Dr. Dana Kind: I know.
[00:06:00] Dr. Dana Kind: Well, I had go when I had to go all the way across town. I was like seven o'clock when I left the house and I was just not in the mood to eat andSo, yeah, so that's the way it goes. Listen
[00:06:10] Meredith: to the body first and foremost, Absolutely.
[00:06:13] Dr. Dana Kind: I've done intermittent fasting in the past where I don't eat Forever, and that doesn't bother me. I don't get lightheaded or anything. So as long as it doesn't bother you, you don't need to eat.
[00:06:24] Meredith: Exactly. Always listening for sure. Yep. So, Dr. Dana, I'd love for you to share a little bit about your focus as a chiropractor and how you got started in this field.
[00:06:40] How & why Dr. Dana became a Chiropractor
[00:06:40] Dr. Dana Kind: Sure. well, it was actually, I originally got out of the military.
[00:06:44] Dr. Dana Kind: I was an mp, so a military police, and I was taking law enforcement classes and I wanted to get some EMT training as well. To build up that resume. So I took a couple classes and one of the classes I met a young lady that was gonna go do physical therapy and, she went down to Georgia Tech and then didn't make it in their program, so went over to life and became a chiropractor.
[00:07:09] Dr. Dana Kind: so she came back up to Detroit and when she, and I was finishing up my bachelor's degree up there, but, uh, she, was Wanting help in her office. So I started helping her and I didn't like the police work that I'd been doing in the fact that you like to help people and that, but you really don't get a lot of positive feedback on that.
[00:07:31] Dr. Dana Kind: It's kinda negative. Right. So I really just wasn't liking the energy that I was getting back on that. So I ended up. helping her. And one day a chiropractor that she worked with said, you're gonna be a chiropractor. And I like, what are you talking about? And he says, you're, you enjoy this too much?
[00:07:48] Dr. Dana Kind: And I started thinking about it and I was like, yeah, sounds like a good idea. So I was able to help people and not be stuck in that political side of being a police officer with government and that kinda stuff. So yeah, that's why I said I wanna be in charge of my own destiny and my own.
[00:08:06] Dr. Dana Kind: Following the bureaucracy. Yeah. So yeah, absolutely. So went to chiropractic college in South Carolina and, my wife who had started dating right before I went into chiropractic college, she decided to go to chiropractic college as well. And we went to school together and graduated close together and had a practice down in Savannah and then down there for a while, and then eventually made our way up here.
[00:08:30] Dr. Dana Kind: So,
[00:08:32] Meredith: Wow. Yeah. Really incredible.
[00:08:35] Dr. Dana Kind: Yep. So I've been doing this since 99,
[00:08:38] Meredith: we always set out, like you were saying, to do something we think that we want, and then in the actual doing, we realize. Our true purpose, you know?
[00:08:48] Meredith: Yep. it ends up that way for a lot of people. It's actually, pretty rare that someone sta starts out and is I just, know I'm destined to do this one thing where I'm gonna be a chiropractor in Savannah.
[00:08:59] Dr. Dana Kind: yeah. I mean it was, it's, patients always ask me when I talk about my past and they're like, how old are you and what have you?
[00:09:07] Dr. Dana Kind: What haven't you done? Because I've done so many other things in life and it's just, you know, I was with the military and I've done construction, I've done bartending and all that other junk to get where I'm at. But it's the journey that gets you there, that, that develops everything, so that you're better able to address and have a relationship with your patients and know where they're coming from.
[00:09:28] Dr. Dana Kind: So I think all those experiences that I've had over the years and things make it so that most of my patients I can relate to on a very personal level and I've done a lot of the things that they've done. I always say I've never, was never too good for a job. You know, whatever I needed to do to get there, that's what I did.
[00:09:44] Meredith: I've heard a lot of stories from you, from a plethora of different things, and I personally feel like. When you're in a field like being a chiropractor, and this is pun intended, there's a lot of moving parts and like you're getting it from all angles, like not necessarily respected by the western medicine establishment and then people trying to get it covered by insurance, but then they know that there's profound effects on their life when they get adjustments and your whole nervous system release that
[00:10:18] Meredith: really affects your emotions like so many different parts of your body.
[00:10:21] Dr. Dana Kind: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's like that's the hardest thing doing what I want to do, and then having people come and say, well, my insurance covers this or that, and it's like, I don't care what your insurance covers. Let's figure it out and make it happen.
[00:10:37] Dr. Dana Kind: And I've had many times where the insurance companies are saying, well, we'll only allow this many visits. And I'm like, well, whatever. We'll figure it out. And I work with the patients and financial situations so that they can get treated and I don't really care about Oh, you must do exactly this way, and if you don't, sorry, go away.
[00:10:55] Dr. Dana Kind: I won't do that to people.
[00:10:57] Meredith: Yeah. So, yep. Along the lines of, challenges and just misconceptions, what do you think are some misconceptions that people have about working with chiropractors that, you'd like to clear up? Especially when. Someone may already be seeing a physical therapist or medical doctor, and they may have preconceived notions about, well, let's screw that up or something.
[00:11:22] What Chiropractors do
[00:11:22] Dr. Dana Kind: well normally medical doctors. And physical therapists, they're usually treating a symptom or a condition right? And a disease process. so you know, we're looking at addressing how the spine and the joints of the body are interfering with the nervous system.
[00:11:39] Dr. Dana Kind: And if that communication system is not working correctly, then the brain can't. Create the balance of hormones and function. It needs to do to optimize. function at 100 So if you're not. Functioning right? Then you will get disease but you can have dysfunction without having a medical disease process going on. And I like to help people prevent that from happening by, doing what we call wellness adjusting as well as treating a specific condition.
[00:12:14] Dr. Dana Kind: So most people do come in for a symptom of some sort, and we address those. Situations, but we try to get them to realize that even after we're done addressing the symptoms of, continuing care periodically will help maintain the health process and allow the body to function better regardless of symptoms.
[00:12:36] Meredith: That's an important point. I feel like absolutely, because no one can, or not no one, but a lot of people think of those symptoms and then they wait until it's past the point where it could have been preventative and solved really easily. How can people realize? In the most benefit to them.
[00:12:56] Meredith: Okay. It's time to see a chiropractor before it gets, really bad. What are some of those distinct body signals to look for?
[00:13:04] Posture
[00:13:04] Dr. Dana Kind: Sure. Well, one of the most common things that people will overlook is posture. And right when you look at your level of your ears to compared to your shoulders, compared to your hips, if.
[00:13:17] Dr. Dana Kind: One side's higher than the other, or your head is forward, or you have a head tilt one way or the other. that is usually indicative of the. Atlas, the first bone in the neck being shifted to the left or right. So your head tilts and then your eyeballs wanna be level, so you raise that shoulder on the opposite side and then you shift your hip to walk and that is totally unconscious.
[00:13:39] Dr. Dana Kind: You don't even know you're doing it. And I've done many talks where I've had people stand up and. They think they're healthy. And I say, well, this is wrong. This is wrong and this is wrong. And that's why your posture's, you know, that way. And they're like, but I don't feel bad. And it's well, it's not about feeling bad.
[00:13:56] Dr. Dana Kind: It's about what is the structures of your body doing to compensate? And it not give you a pain signal, but it's giving you a corrective balance situation. and then that's why we get uneven knee pressure that causes knee pain or uneven foot pressure that gives you plantar fasciitis or other things.
[00:14:14] Dr. Dana Kind: And a lot of it has to do with how the hips and the low back are relating to the feet and knees, you know, so a lot of conditions that people wouldn't normally consider chiropractic, cuz that's all "oh, back pain", that's not what we do. We address the structure of the body to take pressure off the nervous system and allow it to function better.
[00:14:35] Dr. Dana Kind: So that's the real crux of what we do, rather than, oh, what's your pain level? And I, we, unfortunately, we end up asking that a lot. And then people come in. I wanna know what their levels are. If we're making improvements, that kind of thing. But eventually I would love to see no pain at all.
[00:14:53] Dr. Dana Kind: Just, coming in to get adjusted periodically.
[00:14:56] Meredith: Yeah, let's actually dive into that a little bit. Sure. Because it's something that's so overlooked, but can be so helpful to people. It's something that I didn't even realize until I did a little research in, treating my end endometriosis and helping my own pain.
[00:15:15] Meredith: Chiropractors were the first people to actually, first of all, listen to me, and then secondly, I. To actually really help me, even if obviously I wasn't completely healed and I was still in excruciating amounts of pain. It was the first glimpse for me, way back that there was a little hope, basically. let's go into what are some of the other conditions other than, oh, I have back pain.
[00:15:41] Meredith: I need to go see a chiropractor that people can look for that. You can really
[00:15:47] Treating Migraines + Hormonal conditions
[00:15:47] Dr. Dana Kind: help. Well, we have, a lot of times I'll have patients with headache problems that, you know. Right. That's a big one. And yeah, they just take drugs to cover that up and a lot of times it is either the blood flow or the nerve irritation going up the spine into the brain that causes headaches.
[00:16:07] Dr. Dana Kind: So one of my first patients in school was a woman I worked with that, she would get migraines. Every day, if not, multiple times a week, headaches at least every day, and be out of it for three or four days a month in a dark room with migraines. And she was like, I've been done drugs for years and all this.
[00:16:27] Dr. Dana Kind: And I said, well, I need a patient at the clinic. Come on, let me take a look. And her atlas was way. Out of alignment. So we started adjusting her and then with two months the migraine stopped and she just had headaches every day. And then within four months she would just get headaches around her cycle.
[00:16:46] Dr. Dana Kind: So that was hormonal and she'd issues with the hormones as well, like you, but She didn't realize that. The chiropractic would address some of those issues as well that got less intense and those problems decreased for her. And she only had issues around her cycle, so endometriosis, and that was much better for her.
[00:17:10] Dr. Dana Kind: And just from adjusting her neck. So it was not, focusing on the whole spine, it was just that one area was what we were working on. And it, yeah, had amazing results.
[00:17:20] Dr. Dana Kind: the difference in what we're doing is we're not focusing on where the symptom is. We're just looking at everything and it doesn't, you know, it can be your, you can have foot pain, but I could adjust your neck and you get better.
[00:17:32] Emotional Release
[00:17:32] Meredith: it's insane. Yeah. And I have had that experience where, and I don't recommend anyone try this, but my husband Jason, Just Reiki and other things.
[00:17:42] Meredith: But he was attempting, I was like having like anxiety and just weird emotions and he was like, I feel like there's this stuff built up in your neck again, this neck area. And he did something. It was like pop my back or something. And it was just like this flood, like I just. I wasn't crying for pain, but I just cried from just the amount of release and I instantly felt like a different person.
[00:18:07] Meredith: I was like, oh my God, I've been carrying around that and I didn't even realize it.
[00:18:14] Dr. Dana Kind: Sometimes you'll get patience. They'll get emotional after an adjustment or start laughing or something. I mean, and they really don't know why they're doing it, and it is definitely the. Emotional stress in their body being released through the physical release of the adjustment can trigger that kind of response.
[00:18:34] Dr. Dana Kind: So, it's, you know, why we get misalignments, or subluxations is stress either physical, chemical, or emotional. And when we undo, The physical, the other parts can correct slightly as well. and it's a process. So, yeah, it's interesting. one of the techniques I learned while I was in school was a very light adjusting technique that actually when you adjust, you don't really crack the bone, if you want to call it that, or you don't.
[00:19:05] Dr. Dana Kind: Manipulate the bone in the same way you do real light touches and it creates waves, patterns in the spine that will unwind the spine and the guy that was doing it had one patient where he adjusted it, her low back with a touch, and it created the wave. And there was a woman at her head, they said they were head to head.
[00:19:26] Dr. Dana Kind: And the wave continued right into the next patient. So it actually Wow. The energy flowed into another patient and I'm just like, huh. That's just, I mean, it was the coolest thing to watch and it's hard for people to understand that, but it does work when it's done correctly
[00:19:44] Dr. Dana Kind: So there are other things to this that most people don't understand. that can be helped by what chiropractic can offer.
[00:19:50] Meredith: That's crazy what happened to the other patient? The energy went into, she was like, just
[00:19:55] Dr. Dana Kind: absorb it. It just, no, she, it helped release her energy patterns as well.
[00:20:00] Dr. Dana Kind: Ok. So they kinda synced up and, so, wow. it was, her body needed that energy flow as well, and it just cleared out some of her restrictions as well, so. Wow. it's just, yeah, it's, but yeah, so I mean, there's a lot to this and I also say that, besides chiropractic, I always.
[00:20:19] Dr. Dana Kind: Talk to patients about nutrition. Cause those are really The only two things we have control over is our nervous system health and are we eating right? And, you can have the best adjustment, but if you go to McDonald's and eat all the day, you're never gonna get healthy. so that kind of thing.
[00:20:34] Dr. Dana Kind: Yeah. watching what you're eating, making sure you're listening to your body and fi figuring out what you're deficient in and not just take a multivitamin that really doesn't do anything. So, that's the key there.
[00:20:46] Meredith: Sugar pill. Yeah. Basically. Which a lot of them are basically candy Uhhuh.
[00:20:52] Meredith: Yes.
[00:20:52] Crap Vitamins
[00:20:52] Dr. Dana Kind: they're hardcoded with stuff that doesn't even digest. So they just goes right through 'em. Or even, or is it bioavailable?
[00:20:59] Meredith: I should do an art piece about that new, like different, just out of all the different shit vitamins that really should be used as. Crafting material.
[00:21:11] Meredith: Yeah. Because it shouldn't really be in your body.
[00:21:14] Dr. Dana Kind: a pile of one a days would be great for that. the most common and popular vitamin is, I have a little story about that's a little bit graphic. I don't know if I want to tell about it, but the bioavailability, I guess I have to now, yeah, you do.
[00:21:26] Dr. Dana Kind: So when I was in the service, I was talking to a guy that was, Doing the honey wagon that pumped out the outhouses or the, the porta potties? And I said, what is the most unique thing you found? And he said, I found guns and pagers and cell phones and things, but he says the most common thing we have is pills.
[00:21:43] Dr. Dana Kind: and he says, it's vitamins. He says, when they empty the truck, they screen it and he says, we get all the pills. And he says, we have a pile of vitamins and you can read one a day. And all that on the pills that never get, Actually broken down and he says it was like three feet high AT when they dump it all out.
[00:22:03] Dr. Dana Kind: Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. He says they just go through people and they don't get, utilized. So, wow. Yeah, that's a big issue with, bioavailability of nutritional supplements and making sure they're, I ironically, compatible to what you need and. Your body's actually gonna absorb them.
[00:22:22] Dr. Dana Kind: So it takes a little bit of research and a little bit of study. I, and I used to do a little bit of that in my office and I decided that it was too distracting from the chiropractic, so I didn't want to get into being the vitamin guy. Yeah. As well. Yeah. I said, I'll, I appreciate what they do, but I don't wanna divert my attention from being a chiropractor to being a dietician and a nutritionist.
[00:22:45] Dr. Dana Kind: So, I make recommendations, but I don't. Stock vitamins and tell people Everything. It's kinda, you gotta do that on your own. That's,
[00:22:53] Nervous System Health
[00:22:53] Meredith: You absolutely do. And you have to listen to your body like we were talking about earlier. Yep, absolutely. Which, Speaking of people taking their health into their own hands, what is one thing that you could recommend all people start today, and then one thing that they stop doing today to get their nervous system health
[00:23:16] Dr. Dana Kind: back?
[00:23:17] Dr. Dana Kind: I think the biggest thing you can do in your day-to-day activities is to do some stretching every day. And it doesn't have to be, an hour at the gym. It can just be 10 or 15 minutes at home, in the bedroom, on the mat,or whatever. just a very light range of motion, stretching back and forth, holding it.
[00:23:41] Dr. Dana Kind: you shouldn't hold stretches longer than 20 to 30 seconds because you're gonna get into, Lactic acidosis and you need the oxygen flow in the muscles for the stretching to be most effective. And once you get past that 22, 25 second point, your body's gonna start resisting the stretch and then not actually, benefiting from it as much.
[00:24:01] Dr. Dana Kind: So, using active stretching and shorter stretching, is a better option than holding for, five minutes or something trying to do some weird stretch that people do sometimes. I was like, no, that's, it's not healthy.
[00:24:17] Meredith: Yeah, and I think. Most people don't think about that. They're like, I need to stay in this as long as it takes.
[00:24:24] Meredith: Yeah. I need to become more flexible.
[00:24:25] Dr. Dana Kind: shorter stretching. and, repetitive is better than a long stretch, the much, because eventually it'll get where it will stretch better, but, okay. Yeah. that's the biggest thing. And, I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the.
[00:24:42] Dr. Dana Kind: CrossFit stuff just because They're doing, people wanna do these hack squats and all these heavy duty power lifting. I mean, unless you have a specific goal in mind that's just too damaging to your spine. I don't think you need to be lifting 500 pounds in a deadlift or whatever, or doing squats and things that are gonna put the pressure on your body that could possibly.
[00:25:06] Dr. Dana Kind: Damage the discs and the bones themselves. And I think, you can get tone and fit by leg extensions and leg curls and, without having to, do the 500 pound, leg press thing that is gonna put pressure on your low back. and usually they're not done.
[00:25:26] Dr. Dana Kind: And monitored properly. the act, I mean, you can do it, but you have to really have it controlled and know what you're doing and, right. in the military I've met a guy that was, big powerlifter, really great shape, and he dropped a barbell on his back and was paralyzed for six months and got back into shape.
[00:25:45] Dr. Dana Kind: That happens and you don't wanna be that person,
[00:25:47] Meredith: No, you don't.
[00:25:48] Dr. Dana Kind: and some of those personal trainers, I've had patients go to the gym, oh, I need to get in shape, milk it. So they go to the personal trainers and that first visit, this one guy went and the guy just worked him and worked him.
[00:25:58] Dr. Dana Kind: And he's I've had enough. He goes, come on, do more. And the next day the guy's kidney you shut down from the muscle damage. Wow. He didn't listen to his body and he let this other guy tell him, oh, you don't, you don't need to stop, keep going. And he's but I'm, I think I'm done.
[00:26:14] Dr. Dana Kind: He's oh, no. he Wanted to, prove how outta shape he was so that he'll sign up for more personal training sessions and it had the opposite effect. So he ended up in the hospital with his kidney shut down for a couple days until it got back under control. Wow. Yeah. So Wow. You see a lot of weird things out there
[00:26:34] Meredith: that's really insane.
[00:26:35] Meredith: And another example of what is the difference between an ego boost, and I'm actually doing this. To better myself and my health, and there's definitely a difference there. And proving something to someone else, and just taking care of yourself first. Yep,
[00:26:54] Dr. Dana Kind: for sure. Yeah. I had a client in, when I was down in Savannah that he was big guy, really healthy and he wanted to weigh 300 pounds of muscle.
[00:27:04] Dr. Dana Kind: So he was like, six, was about 2 75, 2 80. Just started working and taking. not steroids, but pre steroids so that it would allow him to get up to 300. And I was like, are you bodybuilding for a competition? And he goes, no, I just wanna be 300 pounds. And I just thought that was the weirdest reason to do it.
[00:27:26] Dr. Dana Kind: I was like, I just didn't make sense. I said, yeah, you're putting your body through a lot and you're gonna regret it in the long run, if you, yeah.so you can't tell some people that's not the best thing for 'em.
[00:27:39] How Dr. Dana is Different
[00:27:39] Meredith: free will, it's, yep.
[00:27:40] Meredith: It's really powerful. It's amazing. Yeah. and we all have it and that's, but it is something I really appreciate about you. And just your wealth of experience in, the military and other jobs that you've had, you can really level with people. And we talked about this a little bit earlier. you helping people on the financial barriers that really stood out to me when I first came to you.
[00:28:07] Meredith: It's not something you usually see that often. but. Helping people on that end, with insurance covering or not covering certain things. And then also you saying, which is the biggest thing, my goal is for you to stop coming to cb. I love for you to speak a little bit about your process and what makes your clinic unique.
[00:28:32] Dr. Dana Kind: Well, I do a lot of personal injury cases, so that's separate from, and that's just set up the way it is and I have to deal with the lawyers and how that whole system is set up. So some of the patients have that process, but most of the patients that are on wellness, we know we.
[00:28:48] Dr. Dana Kind: Look at what their insurance is covering and figure out the copays and figure out the best way for them to get what they need, and then can, and can afford. And then of course, if there is a financial situation where there's just no way they can get treatment, then I do have, Ways of looking at your finances and coming up with a, an amount based on financial need, and you have to sign a form that says if I didn't get the financial assistance, I couldn't get care.
[00:29:16] Dr. Dana Kind: So as long as I have something like that backing up what's going on, then I can get away with, treating you differently financially. I also do military discounts and, as a veteran myself, I've, I will treat disabled vets. At no cost, depending on right, what their level is and what's going on.
[00:29:35] Dr. Dana Kind: So TRICARE doesn't translate, into, we can't get Tricare. Now I am, I do have. Clients that are referred through the VA occasionally, but that's a difficult process so I'll treat the clients and I just don't worry about it and treat them. Yeah, when they're a disabled vet, I treat 'em the way I need to and try to make it affordable
[00:29:59] Meredith: it's because of them that we can even do these things. Right.
[00:30:03] Dr. Dana Kind: absolutely. I did 20 years in and I, I just feel that it's my duty to continue treating them. Cause we all, were together doing the same thing and if I can help 'em out and get better and, not be, Forced to go through the VA system directly.
[00:30:22] Dr. Dana Kind: they're using the va, but the system there is very time consuming and disheartening.
[00:30:28] Biohacking with Art
[00:30:28] Meredith: That could be a whole other episode to be honest with you, but we are all in this together period. Absolutely. Period. All the people on this earth, and we're also all in right now.
[00:30:42] Meredith: Our biohacking with art finale question. Okay. Okay.
[00:30:48] Dr. Dana Kind: Are you ready? I am ready.
[00:30:52] Meredith: I love it. Awesome. What's my favorite part of the show? And I'd love to know if you could describe chiropractors and create healing the nervous system with any art medium. How would you make it and what would you choose?
[00:31:13] Dr. Dana Kind: I would say I would like to be a sculptor.
[00:31:15] Dr. Dana Kind: Nice. Because you can manipulate a medium and form it into a image or a process that functions better and so I'm, I wanna manipulate. Patient's spines as I would clay and hopefully Eliminate anything and make them flow and have the energy and the life force returned from doing my work with my hands.
[00:31:41] Dr. Dana Kind: Cause it's all about my hands. I do a lot of work with my hands obviously, and that is what I just think would be a natural, alternative as far as art form would be a sculptor.
[00:31:54] Meredith: Oh, absolutely. Sculpture. And I mean, it's right there in the room with you. Yep. So you have to deal with it. Sculpture, it's like, it's not just okay, you can hang this on a wall.
[00:32:05] Meredith: I mean yeah, sure you can use move sculptures, around, but it's more like physically present with you. Yep. And your body. I definitely see that about you. So, Yeah,
[00:32:15] Dr. Dana Kind: I think that would be cool.
[00:32:18] Dr. Dana Kind: I'm not the most talented artist, but I do a lot of construction and furniture and things like that, so that's, I build things and that's my hobbies.
[00:32:27] Dr. Dana Kind: So I think that's, doing it in art form, that would be the similar, yeah.
[00:32:34] Meredith: your environment shapes the way you live, shapes your actions, how you make toast, how you can get something out of a drawer,if the drawer's screwed up, it's gonna affect the way you move the drawer.
[00:32:46] Meredith: So it's all absolutely connected in that way. Totally. Yep. Yep. So tell people where they can find you and book with
[00:32:55] Dr. Dana Kind: you. Sure. well, my office is located in l Lawrenceville, really close to the Gwinnett Fairgrounds. I'm on Sugarloaf, near Grayson Highway. I'm at two 80 Sugarloaf Parkway Suite. my office phone number is two two.
[00:33:16] Dr. Dana Kind: And I have no problem giving my cell phone out as well. So (678) 879-9209 Actually on my door outside it, my cell phone is on the building and I love it. If I'm not, yeah, cuz if they're knocking on my door and I'm not there, the phone, they're gonna call. If it goes inside, that doesn't help them.
[00:33:35] Dr. Dana Kind: So my cell phone is on the side of the building there to tell, call me and we'll help. But, yeah. And then, I have Grayson chiropractic.com as well, is my website. And there is a way to make appointments on there as well. but if you call and text me or whatever, we'll can get you in.
[00:33:54] Dr. Dana Kind: I'm in Monday, Wednesday and Friday open up at 7:00 AM Monday and Wednesday and Friday, before people go to work. So started outright and then, I there until six 30, Monday and Wednesday, and one on Friday's.
[00:34:12] Meredith: Awesome. Yeah, and let me just tell you guys, it is worth the drive. Even if you're not in the area or in the metro Atlanta area, it is definitely worth the drive to go see Dr.
[00:34:25] Meredith: Dana Ken. I know.
[00:34:26] Dr. Dana Kind: and I always, and I do know a lot of doctors that I would recommend, if it is too far, I can Help get people to where, a good doctor that would really care about them and make sure they're getting the treatment that they need. So I know a lot of guys in the neighborhood.
[00:34:39] Dr. Dana Kind: Around the Atlanta area,
[00:34:41] Meredith: you just keep it so real and that's what I love about you, especially putting your cell phone just right there. Just, real and transparent and that is essentially what facing your shit and healing yourself is all about. I just wanna thank you for so generously sharing with us and keeping it so real today.
[00:35:01] Dr. Dana Kind: It's been a great journey knowing you for the last four or five years, I guess it's been, I dunno how long it's been, six years maybe. maybe. It's
[00:35:09] Meredith: crazy to think
[00:35:10] Dr. Dana Kind: about. I know, I mean, that's, we, I was in Shambley the last time, so it was a while there, so, Yeah, it's been a while. And knowing your husband and you, it's been really a great experience for me as well. Just seeing everything that you do and how you guys, do what you do. So, I appreciate you the time and giving me the time to, to tell you a little bit about what I do here. That's great.
[00:35:35] Meredith: Absolutely, and we'll have many more episodes and hope to have you back on. Absolutely. We hope that everyone can take away something from this tremendous conversation today to help them face their shit and heal themselves. And remember, as always, the truth will set you free. We will see you all next time.
[00:35:58] Meredith: Bye. Take care.
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