Let's reexamine the importance and the skills that we need to teach for wealth to truly be generational for those to come.
Quote for the episode. "Am I just trying to make my life easier for my kids because that automatically defaults to better? Or should I be trying to shape the mindset to enable them to go out and create a purpose, autonomy to move and a reason and a desire and a passion to go out and master something?" (09:04)
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Joseph Okaly:Hello, thank you for joining me as always on the
Joseph Okaly:EnjoyMore30s Family Finance podcast. Every week, as you
Joseph Okaly:know, I'm talking to you about money so you can take steps
Joseph Okaly:forward, gain that confidence, remove that financial anxiety,
Joseph Okaly:because we want you just to be focusing solely on making your
Joseph Okaly:life more enjoyable. This series, as you must know by now
Joseph Okaly:we're in the eighth episode of it, we focus all of our energy
Joseph Okaly:on the kids. We focused our energy on your kids with the
Joseph Okaly:Your Kids Money Mindset series, because as a family, you know,
Joseph Okaly:the kids are what we're all about. So we want to make sure
Joseph Okaly:that we help you with that part of your life as much as
Joseph Okaly:possible. If your kids are better off, we know that you'll
Joseph Okaly:be happier too. And what we know is that we're not just trying to
Joseph Okaly:get through this today. But we're trying to build something
Joseph Okaly:for our kids. That's why we're listening. So their lives are
Joseph Okaly:better. So their kids lives are better. But maybe surprisingly,
Joseph Okaly:that can very often and not just in the US but all over the
Joseph Okaly:world, it's not the case that that wealth goes on beyond the
Joseph Okaly:third generation.
Joseph Okaly:So as always, if you like what you're hearing, please make sure
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Joseph Okaly:wherever you listen. Clicking stars, writing reviews, it
Joseph Okaly:really really helps us reach the literally millions of other
Joseph Okaly:young families out there just like you.
Joseph Okaly:Last week, we talked about those things called trusts, those
Joseph Okaly:things you've heard about on TV, the movies, those things that
Joseph Okaly:sound like rich people have these, maybe I should too, and
Joseph Okaly:we broke down more as to what they are, and when you would
Joseph Okaly:actually really have to be concerned with them when it
Joseph Okaly:comes to your kids. So if you haven't checked that out yet,
Joseph Okaly:please make sure to check it out soon.
Joseph Okaly:Today's episode is actually a bonus episode. I had not
Joseph Okaly:originally planned to cover this topic, but I happened to come
Joseph Okaly:across it mid season. And it's titled Motivations: Money Lasts
Joseph Okaly:Just Three Generations. So what we're going to cover today is
Joseph Okaly:how human nature, all of the world seems to dictate that
Joseph Okaly:money and wealth is going to dissipate as the generations
Joseph Okaly:progress. The goal for today's episode is for you to become
Joseph Okaly:aware of the challenges that are not associated with creating the
Joseph Okaly:wealth. We're always focusing on how to create the wealth, but of
Joseph Okaly:actually maintaining the wealth across generations, which
Joseph Okaly:requires some really completely different techniques. And in
Joseph Okaly:many ways, wealth is much harder to maintain, than it is to
Joseph Okaly:create because it leaves your direct control. The Chinese have
Joseph Okaly:a saying "wealth does not pass through generations". So that's
Joseph Okaly:about as direct as you can get. The Japanese are a little bit
Joseph Okaly:more subtle. "Rice paddies to rice paddies in three
Joseph Okaly:generations". The Scots? "The father buys, the son builds, the
Joseph Okaly:grandchild begs". And here in America, we use "Shirtsleeves to
Joseph Okaly:shirtsleeves in three generations". So maybe you've
Joseph Okaly:heard one or all of these. They all kind of go to the same
Joseph Okaly:thing. What all of these mean, is by the third generation, just
Joseph Okaly:the third, wealth is lost. And you have to start all over again
Joseph Okaly:at the bottom. So why is wealth lost? What happens to it? The
Joseph Okaly:first generation is poor. They have nothing, just their
Joseph Okaly:motivations to be better. They have a purpose in life, to make
Joseph Okaly:life not better just for them, but for their family. They're
Joseph Okaly:alone. They want to be self sufficient. They want that
Joseph Okaly:autonomy to create. And as they advance, they're trying to make
Joseph Okaly:their business better and better. They're trying to get
Joseph Okaly:that mastery. The second generation now gets to build off
Joseph Okaly:the first. They likely saw, you know, to some degree with their
Joseph Okaly:parents went through it wasn't you know, as hard for them
Joseph Okaly:obviously. They saw how hard they worked. They heard stories
Joseph Okaly:of how hard they worked to get there. They're not building from
Joseph Okaly:scratch. They have certain guidelines, most likely of the
Joseph Okaly:direction their parents went in, but they still have enough
Joseph Okaly:purpose, autonomy and mastery, those three things, very
Joseph Okaly:important things. They have those aspirations to likely
Joseph Okaly:continue carrying that torch on. Then we get to the third
Joseph Okaly:generation, the grandchildren. The grandchildren never saw what
Joseph Okaly:grandma and grandpa went through, it was more removed. By
Joseph Okaly:now they've probably grown up with certain privileges, let's
Joseph Okaly:say an easier life and that value for money, so the
Joseph Okaly:relationship they have, the mindset they have when it comes
Joseph Okaly:to money, is likely altogether different than just two
Joseph Okaly:generations ago. And as you can see by the many sayings all over
Joseph Okaly:the world, can cause the money to quickly dissipate and starts
Joseph Okaly:that cycle all over again for the next generation to come to
Joseph Okaly:start building up from nothing.
Joseph Okaly:Now I had heard of the "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves"
Joseph Okaly:reference before, but it wasn't until a recent podcast episode
Joseph Okaly:that I listened to by Nikki Unani and her Connected
Joseph Okaly:Generation podcast, which is fantastic, by the way, where she
Joseph Okaly:interviewed the author of a book called Intrinsic. And that
Joseph Okaly:evaluated this very concept. What happens when there is a
Joseph Okaly:lack of purpose, a lack of autonomy, a lack of ability to
Joseph Okaly:pursue a mastery. And what this can lead to is a very unhealthy
Joseph Okaly:and potentially self destructive money mindset. The ironic part
Joseph Okaly:of really all of this, though, to me, is an easier life is what
Joseph Okaly:we're all by default, trying to establish for our kids, right?
Joseph Okaly:'We're working so hard for you, for your better life. We fall
Joseph Okaly:down, you don't have to fall down, we'll fall down for you.
Joseph Okaly:We take the risks, you don't have to take the risk, we'll
Joseph Okaly:take the risk for you'. As human beings however, if you remove
Joseph Okaly:our purpose, our autonomy, our ability for mastery, we
Joseph Okaly:seemingly become lost. We don't have a direction. If life is
Joseph Okaly:easy, like we're trying to make our kids lives easier. If we
Joseph Okaly:make that easy, though, that means they may not have any
Joseph Okaly:purpose. If their stability comes with limited autonomy to
Joseph Okaly:operate, if everything has been mastered and created for them
Joseph Okaly:already, where am I to go kind of a mentality. This really,
Joseph Okaly:really resonated with me, because so much of what I'm
Joseph Okaly:doing and working with middle class families, is creating
Joseph Okaly:wealth for retirement, creating wealth for happiness and
Joseph Okaly:otherwise. And thankfully, this can often lead to a surplus of
Joseph Okaly:it for our clients, so that they may share more of it with the
Joseph Okaly:generations to come. It makes them happy to give and make life
Joseph Okaly:better for their children. In fact, we have to encourage many
Joseph Okaly:of these people that can afford it, to spend the money. And it
Joseph Okaly:sounds weird, probably having a financial advisor encourage you
Joseph Okaly:to spend your money. But as you know, from listening to this
Joseph Okaly:podcast, it's all about making life as enjoyable as possible,
Joseph Okaly:not dying with a bunch of money in your pocket. What this all
Joseph Okaly:kind of leads to is greatly amplifying the importance of
Joseph Okaly:teaching your kids an excellent money mindset. This teaching
Joseph Okaly:that you give them has to extend not just to them, but to their
Joseph Okaly:kids and maybe their kids to be able to have wealth actually
Joseph Okaly:last long term. A mindset then that establishes money as a
Joseph Okaly:tool, with happiness in life as the goal instead of the goal in
Joseph Okaly:of itself. If you solely just want them to work so that they
Joseph Okaly:have money and stability, then the logic follows, if they're
Joseph Okaly:simply given money and stability, then they're all good
Joseph Okaly:to go. As we just saw, though, worldwide, not just in the US,
Joseph Okaly:worldwide, that is not how it tends to play out. If we instead
Joseph Okaly:encourage them to find a purpose that they love and enjoy, give
Joseph Okaly:them space for that autonomy, even if it means failures along
Joseph Okaly:the way. Give them that opportunity to master something
Joseph Okaly:completely new, then they'll have the building blocks of a
Joseph Okaly:happy life, a longer lifespan, and you know, as well as longer
Joseph Okaly:lifespan to the wealth that we're helping create. Talk to
Joseph Okaly:your kids when they're young. I can't encourage that enough.
Joseph Okaly:Teach them why they are really working when they get older.
Joseph Okaly:Even talk to them jointly about what they may like to do with
Joseph Okaly:the wealth that they eventually receive. What would they like to
Joseph Okaly:help create? What lessons would they want their kids and their
Joseph Okaly:grandkids to learn and develop? If every generation kind of
Joseph Okaly:looked at the money as a nicer and nicer set of tools to create
Joseph Okaly:with, I mean, what wonderous things could they all set their
Joseph Okaly:mind to building?
Joseph Okaly:So again, you know, I want you to walk away from today's
Joseph Okaly:episode with a new mindset when it comes to generational wealth,
Joseph Okaly:and maybe reexamine the importance and the skills that
Joseph Okaly:we need to teach for wealth to truly be generational for those
Joseph Okaly:to come. So we want to expand our mindset. I hope you're
Joseph Okaly:walking away with an expanded mindset of "am I just trying to
Joseph Okaly:make my life easier for my kids because that automatically
Joseph Okaly:defaults to better? Or should I be trying to shape the mindset
Joseph Okaly:to enable them to go out and create a purpose, autonomy to
Joseph Okaly:move and just a reason and a desire and a passion to go out
Joseph Okaly:and master something" because at least in my opinion, I feel like
Joseph Okaly:for my own kids as a parent, that's what I see them making
Joseph Okaly:them really truly happy in their lives.
Joseph Okaly:So thanks for tuning in today. Next week we have the final
Joseph Okaly:episode, which is the series recap for Your Kids Money
Joseph Okaly:Mindset. I've really you know, received such a good charge of
Joseph Okaly:energy from the season. Getting to just focus and think about
Joseph Okaly:how to enable you to not just help yourself, but to really
Joseph Okaly:help your children as well both practically as well as maybe
Joseph Okaly:mindset and emotional-wise. So I very much thank you for tuning
Joseph Okaly:in, being a part of that experience.
Joseph Okaly:Overall if you're able to implement what we cover like I
Joseph Okaly:say every week, fantastic! You have less to worry about, more
Joseph Okaly:focus on enjoying life. As always, if you do want me to
Joseph Okaly:help with anything, have questions you need help in
Joseph Okaly:clarifying, check out the Ask Joe section on the show's, on
Joseph Okaly:the show's website, excuse me, EnjoyMore30s. That's
Joseph Okaly:EnjoyMore30s.com. Until next week, thank you very much for
Joseph Okaly:joining me today and I really look forward to connecting with
Joseph Okaly:you again soon.
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