TA Ep. 162 Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Unmasking Mold: Mast Cell Activation, Nervous System, Detoxification & More

Leigh Ann: Dr. Peacock, welcome to the Accrescent podcast, the Accrescent community. So fun to have you on the show today.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Oh, thank you so much, Leanne. I'm so excited to be a guest. So grateful that you asked me to be on the podcast. I'm super excited to dive into all the topics that I know you're ready to ask about today.

That we're all so like in our homes, working remotely, all the things. So, but I think that's really fun. And I love, I said this to you before, cultivating that local community and that local network of just really special, intentional, holistic minded people. So.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yes, I couldn't agree more. And I know and I think it was like the two times we had met in person prior to me stopping by her office a week ago was at organic tree. Like it was just two separate occasions. And then we were just like, okay, like we should follow each other on Instagram and get to know each other because we keep running into each other.

And it's wonderful how that happens because Like you said it's not as common as I wish it could be for us to just be able to run into people and make Friendships that way we meet more online nowadays, which is totally fine But it's so lovely when you get to cultivate such amazing relationships from just meeting in person like that

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: I know you can't beat the local culture here. It's amazing

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. I'm so, so happy. So, okay. I do want to start, I have a couple of random questions I want to hit you with, and then we're going to get deep into mold, but I actually do, even before I hit you with the random questions, I want to start with this question of, you know, the history of. Pursuing medicine and then maybe even a little bit of the backstory because I don't know this yet myself either of Maybe why you started to be interested in mold particularly and some of the other sort of more refined Interests you have in medicine

Before the 2016 Olympic trials. So, um, but while I was in college, I had actually sustained a concussion while I was swimming. So I was doing backstroke. For those of you that might not know swimming, there's flags at the, um, on the ceiling. So it's supposed to, um, that are about like five or seven feet from the wall.

So you're supposed to be able to count the amount of strokes that you have left to be able to flip and turn, but the flags weren't up on the ceiling. So. I was like, Oh, I'm just going to see where's the wall. So I looked back and I hit my forehead and I had a pretty nasty concussion from that point forward.

I started to really focus on my nervous system Those symptoms actually did start to kind of go away. They weren't fully resolved, but it allowed me to continue training So that was in about 20 that was 2012 that happened So I was able to continue training for another four years until the 2016 trials.

Um, I missed the Olympic team by one spot. And so, so yes, I know I was like so close, but then I had this whole plan in place of, you know, if I don't make the Olympic team, I know that I meant for other things. So I was completely at peace with it. I was, I was like, okay, I put everything I had into this race.

So I started with my doctor in chiropractic, which is a four year program. And while I was going through this program, it's a very stressful program, very rigorous, four years of just like commuting all the way, like an hour, two hours a day, staying up late nights, you know, studying all this stuff, a lot of stress that was impacted that throughout that program.

I ended up going straight after I had graduated from school. I went straight to working at a water fasting facility up in Northern California, where I was really intrigued with detoxification and how to work on detoxing the body. So where my story kind of comes in at was I was always a very high stress individual, very, just, So just always on the go.

Which is from the Epstein Barr virus. And that basically the biggest symptom people think of with that is chronic fatigue. So I was, I was out for months. But the problem that arose from that was instead of it being like a month of recovery that most people end up getting, mine started to turn into more chronic fatigue.

And so from that point on, I started to just dig into the research. Cause I was like, what is wrong Are my symptoms because this is not epstein barr virus. This is not mononucleosis There's something else that's going on and that's where I discovered mold as the primary culprit that causes these specific types of symptoms So that's what really led me down the mold path of learning.

So that's, that's my story in a nutshell.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, I also just can't help but notice the, like, parallels in our stories. Also, college athlete with soccer. And the only difference is I've had six concussions. So the last one being, you know, almost a year ago now, which has really hit me so hard on top of this mold exposure, which is why everything that you've been sharing recently on your page is just like yelling at me.

So I love that parallel.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Thank you for sharing

Leigh Ann: Yeah, okay. Yes, I was on your Instagram, I was telling you this off air, stalking your Instagram, going through like the wealth of incredibly educational posts you have. I aspire to have such an informative Instagram page. But one of the posts that caught my attention immediately, there were a couple, was one talking about concussions. being potentially a root cause or to certain ailments. And I just would love to sit with this a little bit, particularly as it pertains to mold, because that is something I had never heard before. And so take it away from there. I'm sure I'll have other questions that come up as we start to get into it.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: How it happens, right?

Leigh Ann: Yeah. The

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: I'll kind of just keep it in the context of mold toxicity, but essentially what's happening, there's a few things that can happen in the body when you sustain a concussion. So it creates an imbalance in our immune system.

So for the listeners who might not know our immune system actually has two different branches. There's our th one dominant side and our th two dominant side, the th one dominant side, its job is to respond to acute things. So let's say You know, for example, Epstein Barr virus like mononucleosis. So if it comes into contact with a virus, it knows to send out, um, these messengers, chemicals, everything that our body needs to help us fight this off.

And what happens with concussions is because it's creating this imbalance It actually creates more of a th2 dominant side and then it suppresses the th1 dominant side So in other terms that th2 dominant side that's more chronic meaning We're our body's constantly releasing these chemical messengers to trigger This fight response in our body, which ends up killing us Cons causing chronic inflammation and then it suppresses the th1 dominant side That's where the mold toxicity piece comes in.

So oftentimes I see people get a concussion and then not long after, since their immune system is so compromised, if they come into contact with whatever toxin it is or viral load, whatever it is, They're way more susceptible to that infection or toxin. So in the context of mold toxicity, that's essentially how people do become a little bit more, uh, more vulnerable as well.

But, The other piece to it too, and that's really interesting in terms of mold toxins, but also our digestive tract is Concussions can actually slow down our gut motility, too So there's research showing that it actually decreases like the contractility of our intestinal smooth muscle So in other words, it's actually delaying your GI transit time 85 percent of our toxin excretion is actually through our stool.

Here's the mold come into our body. It's not able to fight it off, but then also we're not able to excrete things properly And then that again, too, with the GI system, aside from mold, that can lead to overgrowth like SIBO, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, or fungal overgrowth, and things of that nature, too.

Leigh Ann: reason I think this is an interesting place to start is, first of all, I feel like I know of many clients and just individuals in general going through, whether it's mold, mold detoxing, parasite detoxing, and I do think this could be an interesting missing piece of the puzzle for some of them. Um, who feel like I keep, I keep detoxing.

Then you'll be good to go. But if there are these maybe past head injuries that aren't getting fully addressed, fully recovered, it's sort of, to your point, that susceptibility is always going to be there.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Exactly. That was so beautifully said and it all goes back to kind of that root cause effect too. So we can throw as many supplements or detoxing agents, all these different things at whatever toxin, parasite, bacteria, overgrowth, mold toxin that is present in the body. But if we haven't dived into that person's history or that root cause, of what or root cause is because there could be multiple of why someone what beat did become more susceptible.

Absolutely. That can be a huge missing piece of the puzzle.

And if it is different from what we just chatted about, what that is and how that can lead to some chronic symptoms. Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: these hyper reactive brain states. And then that can be a big reason why some of these symptoms just don't end for resolve. So I'm going to go right into it because it is so fascinating. So essentially what happens is our brain has now become conditioned.

And so these defense systems are not meant to be on all the time. They're actually meant to be turned on and off. It's like a light switch. So in the condition of someone with a hyper reactive brain state, when someone has been first exposed to a condition that may have over triggered the brain, because what happens is the brain's whole goal is to survive.

And so if it feels threatened to survival, then it is going to become over triggered and then virtually just constantly triggering the immune system and the nervous system to continuously keep fighting this battle for us, even if the trigger is long gone. So this is the, where the concussion piece comes in.

It can be absolutely anything a mold toxin. The brain has now Learned this response where okay. I come into contact with a threat I'm going to stimulate the nervous system and immune system to just send out all its defense modes But then when the sit when the trigger is gone You The brain doesn't know that because we're still having symptoms from whatever it is that we sustained Whatever whether it was the concussion whether it was the mold toxin that could be long gone out of our system, right?

So then there you can kind of see that vicious cycle where we become easily triggered, more hyper reactive responses, and it just becomes this vicious cycle with the symptoms going back to the brain, going back to the immune system, nervous system, symptoms back to the brain.

Leigh Ann: The analogy, tell me if this is the right analogy, but the imagery that immediately popped into my head is almost like if you strike a match and there's a fire. The brain is like perceiving that as a threat, but also rather than just like quickly blowing it out, the brain is like grabbing a fire hydrant and dumping it with all of this.

So we're using them. whatever is left to help try to fight whatever this toxin is off, but we might not even have much left. So we're using whatever energy is left in our bodies to fight. And that's usually why chronic fatigue seems to be one of those really big, persisting symptoms in this specific case.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, I just want to share briefly what I've been experiencing these last couple of months in particular because I think it speaks to this so perfectly, which is I had, I've been exposed to mold unknowingly for about three years now, mild case, but about three years now. And, and then last October had my sixth concussion, which was the worst of all of them.

I could really feel my body. My body's in a whole, my body's in a different place. Something is going on. And it was a very physiological anxiousness where I, you know, I'm, I do emotional work every day. I do emotional work on myself every day. And typically if it's an emotional cause, like a fear or a belief or something, if I do my techniques, I can reground and be good.

And then likewise, like that response just lingering and lingering and lingering. Honestly, feeling like not able to get my body back on track, not able to actually even soothe that response just from a emotional psychological perspective. And with all that said, we're going to get into a lot of the mold stuff related to this, but I will say I have started doing something called Saraset for the brain, and I actually had an interview with Andrew from Saraset talking all about this technology and I'm noticing such.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: incredible. I love that you shared what program it is that you're using as well, because That's just one so wonderful to hear. I'm not super familiar with Sarah's set So I'm going to have to put a pin in that and take a look at that Later because that could be something that would benefit my clients as well I love all these different modalities that can be out there to help support this piece with the nervous system because I Find truly the nervous system to be about half the healing process with any of like my mold toxicity clients Just because of how mold works Severely just like a concussion, but severely affects our nervous system.

I'm a little biased towards it, but I love it. So there's some wonderful modalities out there too to also help to get in there and essentially rewire the brain, rewire like how your body is subconsciously responding to all these stimuli in its environment.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And I just think that is a really important piece to note, particularly because when I'm working with clients, we're really focusing on the psychological root causes to nervous system dysregulation and even more, even more specific, the subconscious, not even so much the conscious, but I just, you know, taught a, I taught a workshop last month on kind of like the five things we need to look at for emotional healing.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: That's beautifully said absolutely beautifully said and there's Like you had mentioned as well, there's different approaches that you can take to it. And sometimes it is really about just like sitting with yourself and trying to think, okay, what is it that my body is asking for? What is it that I really need and where do I need to turn?

Cause there's so many beautiful modalities to like help with your nervous system. And it's kind of about identifying like what's the cause and what is triggering this. So that way we can dive into it a little bit deeper.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And just to that point of the nervous system sometimes is 50 percent of the battle. I have another. client slash friend going through MS. And she went off to this really great place in another state to do like a week of special healing. But there was, there was something where they were like, you have to do all this emotional work first, because if you are completely dysregulated, going to work as well.

then our body is not going to focus on resting, digesting, detoxing or healing, like how that part of our parasympathetic nervous system is so focused on. The last thing it wants to do is to help accept the supplements that you're trying to give it or the even, um, like any sort of rest modalities, any type of treatment that you're trying to do because it's just going to look at things as a danger response and it's not going to accept the treatments.

And then once you can work in and identify like what's triggering this response, we can absolutely heal. But the nervous system to your point that you've been bringing up as well, it really is like half the battle, truly.

Leigh Ann: Um, yeah, and, and there's like a whole conversation we could have there of, again, you know, there can be physical reasons your nervous system is frazzled. And then there can be emotional trauma based reasons that the nervous system is frazzled as well. And, but just kind of going down some of those different avenues to figure out what, and oftentimes it's both, right.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yes, absolutely. So if you are suspecting that you are dealing with mold toxicity or mold illness, the first thing that you truly do want to do is identify, look at your current environment. Like, where do you spend the most time? Because if you are [00:28:00] continuously getting exposed, you really actually will not be able to fully heal from it.

Um, but healing is 100 percent possible. I have seen it so many times in my own practice and just colleagues of mine, myself. So it is 100 percent possible, but we do have to remove ourselves from, from the situation that is making us sick. So it's assessing your home environment first. That's the first thing you really do want to identify.

Okay. Is my home, is there any, is there an issue going on my home, my workplace, my car? Or do you, if you go to a school environment, is there a, is there a potential mold exposure at school, wherever you spend a lot of your time, you do want to make sure that that environment is nice and clear. Um, now that being said, mold exposure doesn't have to be current.

It could be, maybe you were exposed to a huge viral load, like COVID. When something comes along and weakens your immune system, it can actually bring out that mold that had been harboring in your body to start to kind of come out of the woodworks and create those symptoms. Now, to bring it back to my situation, that's exactly what happened to me.

I actually don't even know where my mold exposure was. I, I just had the concussion, and then all the stuff that had weakened my immune system, I started getting other symptoms. But then, fast forward a few years, I got epstein barr virus Really bad bout of mononucleosis and from there. I developed all the symptoms of mold toxicity And so that's what led me to understanding.

So mycotoxins are the toxic substances that are produced from mold. So when we think of mold, we're kind of like, look, you know, we think of mold, you think of what's like actually growing in the environment that you might be in what, um, in the home or whatever it is, right? 'cause mold needs a few things to survive.

It needs poor ventilation. It needs a food source, usually easily digestible carbohydrates, which is. It's typically what's found in a lot of buildings, and then it needs humidity. So that water source, okay? And so that's what we think of mold, what's growing. Now these mold spores are those mycotoxins that are the toxic substances of it that actually get, um, they leave the mold in these little microscopic spores and they float around in our environment.

So they love being in contact our bodies because our bodies are warm, moist environments. They can just grow there. So it just hangs out there. Um, and the issue that can arise with that is over time it can start to develop as a fungal overgrowth in the gut as well, or create colonization within the sinuses.

Because we know through the literature that certain mycotoxins are bound best by certain natural substances from the earth. So we have to be able to line up exactly what we're finding on a urine mycotoxin panel to be able to use those binders. to be able to bind them and get them out of the system.

And so that's usually the first couple of places that I would start is identifying exposure and then running a panel just to be able to see if that is what's going on and identify the types that you have so you can accurately, um, provide the right treatment. I know we'll dive into the treatment piece and detoxing soon.

Um, but that, those are a few of the couple of steps that you definitely want to take in the beginning.

Leigh Ann: So quickly. And I know, I know it's like hard to whittle this down to a super quick answer, but testing, testing environments, what is your kind of tip or guidance for that? When you have, uh, clients or patients come to

Leigh Ann: and then same thing, the mycotoxin panel, is that something that pretty much anyone could just order?

Or is there a

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Mm hmm.

Leigh Ann: company doing that?

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yeah, great question. So I'll start with the home environment first. So, I like to think of myself as a somewhat expert in the mold arena when it comes to the body when it comes to the Environment that is a whole other issue. So if somebody is having a current exposure They are able to identify that and I'll talk about the testing in a second that you can utilize to figure that out without having to actually have someone come in and check the area for you is the with a building biologi environmental professiona do remote services as wel if there is a current iss help you find local mold remediators to be able to And this is a whole other arena.

So that's why working with a building biologist or an indoor environmental professional It's super important. There are ones that are local and then they do a there's a lot that actually do remote consult services and help you find someone. They'll go through the different mold inspectors and remediators in your area and find an interview them for you and find the correct ones that might be that they think is the best.

And that's what makes people sick. So we want to be very careful with properly venting that ventilating off the area, sealing everything off, and then being able to go in and do that. Now that's like a whole other process. I'm not super familiar with it, but, but that's what they'll do. Um, in terms of just being able to get a test to be able to see like what's going on in the home, there's a couple of things you can do.

So I like the ERMI test. It's E R M I. It's a dust test. So the reason why that test is so good at identifying mold toxins that are in the home is because I mold. It only mold actually only floats in the air. These mold spores for just like a few moments, it actually settles down into the dust. So the dust, if you you want to go about it like a week or so without actually cleaning or dusting and then you'll get dust samples from different parts of the room and then it goes through this heavy testing process to identify the types of mycotoxins that could be present that were found on the dust sample.

I love Immunolytics. It's the same exact. So that's the brand that I like. Um, the plates are like 3 a plate. You leave them out for about an hour and then you close it off, seal it up, and then you send it to the lab and then they can look into that for you as well. So it's a, it's a cheaper process, but to start to kind of get an idea before you start trying to hire like different people to come in and check the area just to see if this is the area that's potentially making you sick.

And then, oh, go ahead.

Leigh Ann: Oh, I was just gonna say, I like lytics. I use them and they also have, they have the mold plates and the swabs and, and it's actually so easy. Like you just, you get the mold plate, you swab a couple things, you send it to them. It was super easy.

Like what, um, you know, what that might mean for your home environment. So I'm so glad that you use them. They're really wonderful. I love them as well.

Leigh Ann: Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yeah.

Leigh Ann: Mycotoxin panel. Is there a particular brand? And then we'll get to like, how do we get this stuff out of our body?

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yes. Absolutely. Yes. So the panel that I like the best is called real time labs. They test for the different mycotoxins that are present in water damaged buildings.

Leigh Ann: Okay. I love it. I'm taking notes because I'm going to try to make sure all of this is linked in the show notes as well. So let's say we, we've done the testing. Let's even say we've removed ourself from the environment, which I know is kind of jumping ahead a little bit. But yes, when they come to you, what is now the process of starting to get this stuff out in a way that's not counterproductive?

It can, because these cells are located in every part of the body. If that's the case and someone might be dealing with Mast Cell Activation Syndrome, I have to first work on calming down that mast cell response by stabilizing them. So there's different stabilization techniques we can use. Besides nervous system work, we actually use certain herbs like resveratrol, perilla seed extract, quercetin, baking soda is actually a wonderful stabilizer.

Oh, go ahead

Leigh Ann: many, how many of the people you work with would you say have a mast cell activation

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Mm hmm, I would

Leigh Ann: come to you with mold?

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: about 70 percent of my clients actually have it's pretty common and because With mass activation, it's similar to almost that brain, um, hyper responsive brain state. They actually kind of coincide. They kind of usually see them together, but it's a similar mechanism in terms of there's something traumatizing to the body that occurred that overstimulated the immune system again, right?

Epstein Barr virus. Parasites can actually be a big trigger for that as well. Um, and then I mentioned the mold toxicity piece. Yeah. So those are kind of the big ones that are triggers for mast cells to become hyperactive. And it's kind of similar to that hyper responsive brain state where now these mast cells just don't know when to shut off.

So they're basically just responding to all things in the environment. So people start to become a big, a big symptom is people start to become very sensitive to it. All kinds of things. So like supplements or foods or fragrances or smells like they can't walk down a laundry detergent aisle without getting some form of a symptom that pops up.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm. I was even, even before you listed some of those, like, contributors to Mass Cell, I just was thinking, we live in a world so conducive to overstimulation.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yes.

Leigh Ann: In so many different ways in pollutants, in pathogens, in emotional pollutants.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: That's a good way to put it.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yeah. No. So that great question and it is very individual because in some cases it's taken, it can take four months, it can take six months, in some cases it can take a year to fully stabilize. Um, it's just dependent on how far along someone has become so sensitive because at that point their body is not even going to be if they're that sensitive their body won't be able to even accept the stabilizing supplements because Um because their body is so sensitized that now See the supplement itself is a trigger And so that's again actually in those specific cases where I have clients that are down to like only one or two foods They can eat a day Barely drinking water because water is triggering In those specific cases, I turn immediately to the nervous system where we're doing brain retraining and we are doing, so it's essentially supporting our limbic system.[00:44:00]

And then we're trying to get into the vagus nerve structural and signaling work that we have to do to start to calm down the nervous system in those specific cases. And in that case too, in terms of stabilizing, it's the nervous system, it's cleaning up the environment too. So like you mentioned, We live in this increasingly polluted world, so we are it's sad, but we're surrounded by so many different pollutants like you mentioned, and not even just like chemical, emotional, all those things, but but just like, um, just stressful responses, right?

Like earlier, we were talking about 85 percent of toxic extrusion is through the gut. So we got to make sure that we are able to move things along because if we're trying to add in these things that bind to the mold, but we're not actually going to the bathroom regularly, we're going to get a recirculation of this mold throughout our system.

And that can trigger worse symptoms. And we definitely don't want that. So we've got to make sure that's up and running. So we work on gut motility, get that going. Once we get into the actual detoxing realm, there's a few different things that we definitely start to like to add in to be able to help with detoxing.

And I usually don't have anyone on more than like five or six binders, um, for, for their detox protocol. And I use single ingredient binders just because Some of these binders that come in generic, like multi formulation binders, I don't find they're usually strong enough to be able to, and to be able to bind out and as well.

And also it's usually just too generic. I like to be very pinpoint and precise. So I'll see what's on the panel and then I'd rather give like activated charcoal because they had elevated tricothecines, which is from black mold or give Just like bentonite clay because they had elevated gliotoxin on their mycotoxin panel.

In some cases, a year and a half to actually be able to fully get all the mycotoxins out. Ideally, when we retest, we retest every six months with the panel, we should be seeing a decrease in the amount. And then at some point, we should see negative for everything. That's the goal. We don't want any mold toxins present in the body.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: question. So you actually, the antifungals aren't enough to actually bind onto those mold toxins and get them out of the body. What those antifungals are doing is they are disrupting like earlier when we were talking about how mold sticks in the body, it grows in our gut. That's one of the biggest places that likes to grow in because that's a warm, moist human environment.

And you know, , it grows as a fungal overgrowth, so it can trigger candida overgrowth, but actually just trigger other types of fungal overgrowths that are a result of that mold. 'cause essentially mold is a fungus, right? So we get it into our system. It's growing as that fungal overgrowth in the gut. Those antifungals are disrupting that piece.

Leigh Ann: Okay, got it. That was super helpful. And then, well, you can tell me where we go next, but I do want to ask about additional things outside of supplementation, if there's other kind of modalities, services that you find particularly supportive as well.

Um, so they're act, they act like fiber binding agents is what we call them. Um, and so beans, okra, beet juice, aloe. Um, steamed kale. Those are all really wonderful supports like steamed greens are really wonderful, um, mycotoxin binding agents actually. So, I mean, they're not going to be the whole thing that you do, but they are so wonderful and assisting your body and actually starting to excrete these out of your system.

It's this little fatty layer that can end up getting disrupted and make it more vulnerable to other toxins or to those mycotoxins in general. And so phosphatidylcholine and omega 3 supplementation is wonderful for that to help to repair at the cellular level. Um, I also love using infrared sauna. If you can tolerate an infrared sauna, that's been shown in research to be wonderful for mycotoxin removal.

Magnesium salt baths are another really wonderful support actually and helping with detoxification and then red light therapy and just a healing diet. So a diet that sits well with you. You're getting the nutrients that your body needs. Um, whatever form that comes in, that's really, really important.

Diversifying your diet, if possible, if your body is able to tolerate that. Um, we know through different studies that having a more diverse diet helps to support our gut microbiome and that will in turn decrease inflammation in our body. So things that we can do to help to really suppress and decrease that inflammation are so important.

Bile is made in the liver, stored in the gallbladder when we eat foods, um, and our intestine or small intestine is digesting and absorbing nutrients. Bile gets excreted to help with the whole process, but it also acts as a binding agent. So some, in a lot of individuals, they actually end up getting sluggish gallbladder.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. So many questions. I wanna take a, just a quick sec. We're at three 15. Could do you have time to go over a little bit or do you have a hard stop?

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: No, yes, actually I just have a heart stop at like 345. So,

Leigh Ann: three 30 'cause I've got a three, I've got a 3 45. But I did wanna check, I don't

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leigh Ann: won't take us too, too far

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: No, you're good. You're good. Thanks for asking. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: great. Yes. So wonderful. So ozone therapy, it's, it's very hit or miss with people with mold toxicity. So it's not like one of those things where it's like, this definitely will help you. It can help you. It actually has helped some of my clients a lot. So that can actually be very helpful and it's definitely worth a try because it's, it's good for you.

It's a great modality. I love it. So I, I find that to be kind of hit or miss though, but it's not like it's going to hurt you in any way. It just might not actually help you. So yeah, so that was, that's what the ozone therapy and then you mentioned the IVs. So there are a couple of things that usually gets recommended when it comes to IVs.

I'm wondering if yours was glutathione to get added in.

Leigh Ann: Um, I think so, it was like a PC Hepbar push or something?

super well because We used to think that a lot of so let me back up Our liver has different pathways to help, you know, conjugate bind onto things and help excrete it out of our system So we have like liver phase one phase two within liver phase two We have things like amino acid conjugation or we have glucuronidation so, um um things to help with like sulfation, um, and also glutathione and We used to think glutathione was the primary mechanism for how our body was able to excrete toxins and mycotoxins Because glutathione is actually our body's master antioxidant.

Um, in terms of actually helping. So,

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One interesting thing was I I did maybe two rounds of those IVs and everything that was included But the like body aches it felt like I had the flu

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Oh, so that could have potentially have just been detoxing you a little bit too hard is

Leigh Ann: Yeah, yeah, I think so because it would it would come on like 30 minutes into the IV these intense Body aches would come on and then they'd last for a couple hours and then they dissipate But I did kind of get the feeling of like, oh, it's just it's a lot.

But if our body just isn't able to function at that capacity to push and like it's we're essentially exceeding the limit of what our body's capable of doing under its current toxic burden. So that's so good. Like listen for all your listeners, like listen to your body when you're going through any detoxification protocol.

And I always recommend to just going slowly. And if you don't respond well to something, that's okay. That just means that it was just too much for you. in that moment. So maybe later on you might respond better, but you definitely don't want to be pushing it. Like, it sounds like you probably stopped after doing a couple.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, and just like oh I can't right now. I can't afford to feel awful for Four hours a day. Um,

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Right. Right. Yeah.

Leigh Ann: um, so yeah, maybe kind of like leading up into it a little bit more. Okay. Another sort of random question that I was thinking of as we were talking and then we'll, you know, I might have one or two more things and then we'll close it out.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Perfect. Yes!

Leigh Ann: I, okay, what am I asking here? Mushroom coffee. That's the question, which is I had someone make a comment the other day, just sort of an off random comment. Someone on social media saying like, have mold, I don't feel comfortable drinking mushroom coffee because mushrooms are also a fungi and that's bad.

And so I just, I, it, that was kind of the first time that had ever gotten on my radar and I wanted to get your two cents. If we, if we're dealing with mold, do we need to avoid mushrooms? Do we need to avoid cheese? I don't know, some of these things that are kind of technically in that realm.

The only time I've recommended that specific instance is if someone's dealing with, I mean, they're just extremely heightened sensitivity to water. All things like they've got the mass activation syndrome piece. Like we can't afford to keep causing these flares because there might be like a minuscule amount of mold on something that's triggering them.

So I do get some clients that, you know, they can sense mold from a mile away. And so they have to be, while they're detoxing, while they're getting it out of their system, they have to be very cautious about what mold they're coming into contact with. Um, if you drink mushroom coffee or you eat mushrooms or cheese or grains, like grains are commonly found contaminate sometimes with mold too.

Leigh Ann: Okay. Okay. I love it. It just, that was something that had come up that I was like, Oh, I don't know. Should I maybe not be doing this? but you know, what's interesting and this I'll tie this into the bioenergetic testing that I do. I had a family member who, you know, I'll do scans for here and there be like, I have just been experiencing diarrhea constantly for the last week or so.

We do a scan. Mold is coming up, but interestingly, we looked up some of the specific ones and they were very specific molds that tend to be in nuts. And as soon as I pointed this out, he was like, Oh my God, I eat trail mix all day long. And he cut the trail mix out and like his whole gut motility went right back to normal.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Absolutely. And to that comment, that's so interesting. Um, , they could also have had a prior mold exposure potentially. I'm just thinking outside the box here. They could have potentially have had a prior mold exposure. And then the mold that's on those nuts because they just eats in such large amounts, is triggering that because chronic diarrhea is actually a big symptom of mold toxicity.

It's one of the biggest symptoms when someone is, um, in, in the digestive tract actually. So that's so interesting. But it absolutely could be just maybe where they're sourcing their nuts from. Has high amounts of mold too. It absolutely could be that. I'm just thinking like, oh, I wonder if maybe they had another mold exposure too, but that's so fascinating.

Leigh Ann: wouldn't be surprised. But also, I do know that this person in particular, the amount of nuts and trail mix they

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Okay, so maybe

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: we've, we've, we got, we'll lay that one to rest. It's probably, it's probably the nuts they were eating.

Leigh Ann: Totally. Yes. my goodness. Well, Dr. Peacock, thank you so much. I could chat your ear off all day. This was fascinating. I feel like we covered a lot of ground.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yes. Oh my gosh. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about it. I'm I'm so passionate about this topic because It's like almost 80 percent of buildings in America have some form of water damage. And it just means that a lot of people are dealing with this so and unknowingly dealing with it.

And it's just, if any platform I can get on, including yours, your, your platform is so wonderful. I'm your audience. Amazing. I, I'm so happy that I can share this information with you and with them and, um, yeah, anyone ever has any questions. questions regarding anything, they can always ask me, email me, hit me up on Instagram.

Leigh Ann: A hundred percent. I'll make sure it's linked in the show notes, your website and your Instagram, but just so they can hear it here as well. Where, where can they go? What would be the first steps if they wanted to learn more Connect?

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Yeah, so they can just follow me like either on TikTok or Instagram. My handle's the same. It's Dr. Steph Peacock. And if you wanna go to my website, my website is stephanie peacock.com and I've got different tabs there for booking a discovery call, um, as well as emailing if you wanna book a consultation as well.

And that also that email, you can also ask me any questions as well. But, um, you can message me and DM me on my Instagram or TikTok as well. Always happy to help

Leigh Ann: Amazing. Like I said, those will all be linked below too, so no one has to remember that.

Dr. Stephanie Peacock: Thank you so much, Leanne. I appreciate it.