Whether you’re looking to heal, grow, or simply feel a little less alone, I hope our conversation inspires you to embrace authenticity in every part of your life.

In today’s episode, “Authentic Manhood—Men and Vulnerability,” I sit down with my good friend Gene Frost for a truly honest and heartfelt conversation about manhood, faith, and what it means to live authentically.

Gene and I open up about our personal journeys—sharing the ways faith has guided us, the traumas we’ve faced, and how healing often begins in community. You’ll hear Gene talk about his calling, his work through his nonprofit, and his passion for helping others. I also share some of my own most transformational moments, including my experience with Save a Warrior, learning to be vulnerable in safe spaces, and the healing that came from confronting old wounds—especially those connected to my father.

In this episode, we don’t shy away from the real challenges men face, like shame, guilt, and the fear of being judged if we open up. We dig into why being vulnerable takes courage, how authentic connections can change your life, and why sometimes asking for professional help is a necessary part of the journey.

Ruben Minor is the President, RAM Consulting Group, a US Navy Veteran, and Passionate Speaker, Trainer & Coach

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RAM Consulting Group is a Speaking, Training and Coaching organization whose focus is leadership, team dynamics, relationship building, Diversity, Equity & Inclusion and the discovering of your "why," which is essential for individuals and group success. 

We take great pride in partnering with our clients to help them become the absolute best version of themselves through three core values we call the 3 "C's." 

The first is "authentic connection," which is the act of discovering an individuals core values and how it aligns with the the work they do, or group they are a part of. ​

The second core value is "authentic commitment." This is the act of being psychologically available and emotionally vested in an individual or group to help them understand our sincere intention to walk with them through the journey.

The third core value is "authentic courage." This is where we exercise true strength in working with individuals and groups and creating a safe place to be transparent and vulnerable.

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This episode today, I have a very special guest with me. My friend and brother, Gene Frost. I've known him for a number of years. This is how we met. This guy came to my house because it was a crack or something in the windshield. And who is that? Safelight.

Safe Light.

Yep. Safelight Auto. And he came to the door, and we started chatting, and it was an instant connection, and I just really appreciate him so much down through the years. He's also a very gifted musician and songwriter, and so we've done some work together. We did. I ran across that actually recently, what we did at my apartment. Oh, yeah, it was for Christmas. Yeah.

It was so cool video. So I kept it to. I'll send it to you. But nevertheless, everybody, this is Gene Frost. So, Gene, tell us a little bit about who you are and also tell us about your organization, what you're doing, the work that you're doing, what you're passionate about.

Sure, absolutely. So, as Ruben said. Well, first off, Ruben, thank you for having me on your show. I really appreciate this. This is awesome opportunity that doesn't come. Come across every day. So I jumped at the opportunity. So, as far as who I am, first off, first and foremost, I'm a child of God.

Amen.

I'm. I'm a Christian. I'm. I'm a hardcore follower of Christ. And, you know, since the day that I followed him, I've never looked back.

Amen, brother.

And he has genuinely changed who I am. You know, I've gone through a transform because of Christ. But what's cool is I also have some gifts. I have some gifts with music, a little bit here and there, and then just technical mindset. I am a master. Certified automotive technician.

Master, y'. All. This boy thinks of cars like a doctor thinks about the human body.

Exactly. And then I'm also an adjunct professor for our local community college.

Sweet.

And then I also work online as a online expert for a company called Tinker diy.

Nice.

And I essentially help people with their automotive repairs.

Sweet.

And then to cap it all off, I'm just kind of following God's calling on my life. And I'm working for a nonprofit organization called Automotive Go. We are currently assisting families with auto repairs in Delaware county and Ohio here.

Awesome. Now, he's a very humble person, if you haven't picked that up by now, because that actually is his organization.

Yeah, well, yeah. So like I said, God put the calling on my life, and I'm just trying to be obedient and understand as well.

Hey, man, that's good, that's good. And one of the things I love about what you said man is being a child of God and following his will. And many times people get confused on, well, what is the will of God for me? And people sometimes can get lost in questions on what's my destiny? What am I supposed to do? And how does God want to use me? When. In its simplest terms, if we want to know what the will of the Lord is, give thanks, let's start there. The Bible says that if we search for him with our whole heart, we will find Him. So we want to know the Lord is, is really going to require something of yourself that's going to require you to authentically connect with God. Right. And be committed in this pursuit.

Right? Because that diligently mean that's something that you're doing on a regular basis. It's not a one and done. No, no, no, no, no, no. You have to constantly seek him and be hungry for Him. And I guarantee you, if you are authentically connected to Jesus, you're authentically connected to what you want to find out from Him. You commit to it. And here it is. Be courageous, authentically courageous to hear what he says and course correct.

Because sometimes we don't have our direction because we need to course correct some stuff. And there's some stuff that's underneath the surface of our hearts, huh, that may need to be changed, brothers.

Search my heart, Lord.

Search my heart, Lord. Any evil in me. And we all know that the heart is desperately wicked. But that's why God wants to constantly work on the heart so that we can find ourselves being in a more authentic place and finding ourselves on our purpose and our passion. And one of the things that I went through, my own transformation in Christ is God challenged me. I want. God wants to know the truth in the inward part. The inward part means it's the essence of who you are.

And not just the stuff that people see, not just the stuff that people hear. When you say something or when you speak, you sing, you preach or whatever it is on your job, in your community. God wants to go not just after that stuff. He wants to go off the stuff that's painful. He wants to go deep. And I actually was a part of an. I am part of an organization called Save a Warrior. And Save a Warrior is an organization that really caters to veterans and first responders.

And in this organization they give a very safe platform for each person that comes to really go there. You know that thing you said to yourself years ago, I make My make it personal, man. If I could say this to somebody and not feel like I'm being judged, I think I'll be all right. And this is the place. And so when we got there, you have to leave your cell phone, your watch, no formal communication. You are off the grid for three days. And so this was the opportunity to have that conversation among brothers in a safe space, keyword being safe. Safe space, so that people can have the liberty to offload what they've been carrying typically all their days.

Right. And so one of the things that I found, I was actually apprehensive about going because I didn't know these people. So I'm thinking, how am I going to go somewhere and just offload all my pain and suck complete strangers? So they kept the crop. My class was pretty intimate, maybe 10 people, 10, 11 people. And so we all got there, Gene, and we had this whole program outlined. And part of the program was sitting in what they call the hot seat. And so the hot seat is what you would do. And I'm looking online to show you all a picture.

The hot seat is when you would actually go to that seat and unload the unshareables. So the unshareables is something that you just don't share with anybody, right? And it's things about you that you don't like and that you're afraid of and all of that. And so I went through that experience and I got in the hot seat and I was able to offload some stuff, man, that was so deep, deep, so painful. And it was a critical part of my healing journey. Some of those guys there were so wounded. Not only did they have wounds and traumatic experiences from their childhood, gene, but they had also traumatic experiences by serving. And so a lot of those guys were there from Afghanistan, serving Afghanistan and Baghdad and all that. And one guy, particularly, he and some of his friends, they killed the family of four sitting around having dinner for sport.

And they named the bodies and all that, man. It was unfortunate, but now that experience caught up with him and just being able to confront that pain, right? He's a now a spirit filled believer. And God began to challenge him to confront those things that were in the past. And God is so wise, he'll allow you to get to a place where you're able and willing to open up and say, I need help, Father. And so I did that. And we all did that. And little did I know the founder, Jake Clark. I'm gonna send this to you, Jake.

He put the ugly cry picture of me on the website. Look at this. I didn't know. I couldn't believe it. I said, I text him and called him. I said, yo, Jay, it could be.

So much worse than that. Like, that picture could be worse.

Oh, my God, man. But that was probably the fifth bucket of tears, because here's the deal. Real talk. He did a statistic. Jake did. And 94% of all the warriors that came through, all the service members and veterans and first responders that came through, 94 have been sexually abused as a child in one way or another. So what that says is you have an overwhelming amount of people that just came through Save a warrior. Now let's broaden that.

Let's just use our city. I dare say you would probably have 90 of individuals in some form of fashion that's had some type of trauma, whether it was sexual, whether it's emotional, whether it's physical, like they're being beat by their father, that has an adverse effect on them. And then now you take those unresolved traumatic experiences, and now you go into the military and you're fighting an enemy that you can see, and now you have all this trauma. You've seen people that you killed in combat or you've been injured in combat, and it's just having an adverse effect on your emotional state of being. And that's why a lot of veterans come back so wounded. So now you have complex trauma that we're dealing with. And so today, folks, I want to talk about that. Gina, I want to talk about what it means to find yourself in a place that's.

That's. That's safe. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's a place where you can open up and share. Right.

So. But before we go there, can you tell me what you think are some of the reasons that people don't open up?

Oh, well, I mean, I think number one reason is safety and comfortability. You know, if somebody's not comfortable, they're most likely not going to share. They're going to guard themselves. Because if they're not sure that they can trust the person that they're with. Yeah. Then they're probably not going to open up wholly, like, completely.

Indeed.

So I would imagine that that's probably one of the. One of the biggest reasons. Another reason might be simply that they don't know you. You know, like, yeah, if you're look in the grocery store, you're probably not gonna get into a deep conversation with somebody.

Right.

That you just met. They're probably not Gonna open up to you.

Yeah.

They're probably not really even gonna talk to you.

Yeah.

They're gonna cut in front of you while you're trying to make your selection, you know? Yeah. Like, I think context matters. I think situations matter. I think community matters.

Indeed. Indeed. I love that. I think one of the things, too, to add to that Gene, I think, that prohibits, especially men from opening up is shame. We keep this stuff so bottled up on the inside and stuffed down and suppressed, and then what happens is we grow up and we find out because the mind is so incredible, God created the mind so incredible that sometimes we can walk in fight or flight mode, and so we can take what happened to us and stuff it so far down that we don't realize it really is driving a lot of our behavior, how we interact with people, how we interact in relationships, how we interact at work.

Yeah.

So what were we going to say?

So, just out of curiosity, that shame, first off, I. I have a couple questions here. So the shame is that the driving force that causes somebody to. To force those feelings or those traumatic experiences down. Is that in your. In your mind?

I believe shame, guilt is driven by that. Because what happens is when you have a traumatic experience, your mind is driving how you respond to that. Right. And oftentimes we'll tell ourselves something that we believe to be true, and then that's what drives our behavior and not realizing that we haven't bounced on anybody what happened to us as what we think and resolve that to be is true. That's why some people walk around thinking if they've been abused in any way, it's my fault, it's something that I did. And then they begin to scrutinize their behavior. And then now that carries over into all your relationships, and you walk around feeling like everything is your fault, because that's what you tell yourself. Nine years old, but now at nine years old, and you now you're 29 years old.

That's not true. Yeah, everything is not your fault. And now you have this narcissistic mindset that comes from other people around you, and then they reinforce the guilt and the shame that you feel like everything is your fault. And the reason why I can say that is because I was that person. I carried around guilt and shame, thought that everything was my fault. And guess what? I was in a marriage where I was told everything was my fault. So guess what? That just reinforced the lie that I had been telling myself that I had to use to survive as a child.

So, yeah, can we roll that back for a second. So. So when it comes to shame, then, would that be an internal confliction? Would that be. Would that shame come internally or externally initially? Because it sounds like in the marriage it eventually became an. It came at you externally, but indeed. But initially. Where did it start? Did it start internally? What you yourself talked.

It started internally. It's a great question. It started internally and I think the reinforcement of it came externally. So not just from the marriage, but from what other people would say to me gave me reinforce the negative views I had of myself. And so I think what happens is the enemy allows children to be impacted in one way or another and then sends familiar spirits with two other people to reinforce that. Yeah, you'll never be anything, just like your dad. You'll never be anything.

And especially when you're young too. It seems like in that, what you just said at the end there, you're. You're just like your dad. You'll never be anything. That. That almost to me sounds like an adult putting that on you.

Indeed.

But. But I would, I would also like to look at, or just consider, not only could you possibly have an adult putting that on you, but then young people, they go into the educational environment, they go into school and then. So now you've got it at home and then now you've got it coming from your classmates at school.

Oh, yeah.

And the difference is between, between our generation and then the current generation is, you know, in our generation, if you were in that situation, that was terrible. But a lot of situations, or there are a decent amount of situations, had parents that were encouraging. And, and so then in that school environment, that was temporary. Yeah, right. And then you come home and you're in that family environment. It's a completely different environment.

Indeed.

Nowadays, though, you know, kids go to school, they're in that environment, they come home, they're on their stinking devices all day and they're constantly in that environment. No wonder, no wonder the enemy is running rampant with the ramp and feelings and emotions and shame just every.

And it's exacerbated to the nth degree because of social media our age. We didn't have. My kids find it very difficult to believe that we didn't have thumbs. Yeah. Which is. I think we should be to have our phones in. In lunch. Do you think so? I said no.

Why, Dad? I said, because we didn't have phones in school. No. So we were fine.

I wasn't even allowed to have a calculator.

Wow. See? And they get spoiled because now they Get a calculator and an expensive text Texas instrument calculator. But I think all these external, to your point, external reinforcements that come externally reinforces what's going on internally. And since we're talking about a focus with men in our manhood, it really plays a part in how we define ourselves as a man. And one of the things that, you know, I think growing up in my era, the boy or the male child was always a strong one. So you were forced to just take stuff. Right. Because you're a man and the man handles things.

You don't cry Right. And, you know, the weirdest thing is. So if we are to model ourselves as Christ, he was emotional. Yeah. And he wept.

He did. He did. Let me tell you something. I've wept a lot as well. So just being a real dude.

Yes.

Like, look, I. I cried a lot, and sometimes I still cry a lot.

I gotta. I got a confession to make. Here's my confession. Y' all ready? Y'? All? I watch several Hallmark movies. Christmas Hallmark movies.

I know exactly where, you know?

And I cried like a baby, man. I was like, I'm still a man. Men cry. I was sweet. Dude brought it back home. He made it right. He went for his girl. I love it, man, because I am a sensitive individual, and I own that.

And I don't let anybody make me feel any different because God has created me to be sensitive at times, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Those are feelings, and it's okay to feel them.

Absolutely. So we. It's because if we made in his image, in his likeness, then that means I need to show that side of me, too.

Yeah. Maybe not all the time, but not all the time.

Because then you'd be called all kinds of names. Like, oh, my God, get over yourself.

Are you sitting in traffic just crying?

What's wrong with him? But no, I love the fact that one thing that. And one thing, guys, that I love about this guy is when I first met him, you know, I don't know if I said this to you or not, but I can see the tenderness in your face. I can tell who you are as an individual. Right. Not perfect in any way. Nobody is. Yeah, but I can tell. I saw your heart.

The old people in the south would say, that boy got kind eyes. That man got kind eyes. What they. What they really mean by that is they can tell the nature of an individual by looking at them. What you carry. Right? People feel that. And so now transitioning to. Okay, so we understand that there's trauma.

We understand that we suppress A lot of that trauma. And we are not always committed to fixing those things because nobody wakes up in the morning, say, yep, I'm gonna deal with all the stuff that's. That I'm broken about. Like, nobody wakes up like that. I believe God ushers us to a place to be ready. Yeah. To open up and do that. And the only way we can do that is to be in community.

That's the next part. Got to be in community. Because we were not created to be sitting on an island by ourselves and managing everything by ourselves because we've been held captive by guilt and shame. I don't want them to judge me. I don't want them to think I'm less of a man. I don't want them to. To think of me like, oh, my God, you did that. I have a friend of mine.

I have a safe. He has a safe place with me, and I. With him, and he shared with me. He said, man, I need to tell you something. I said, okay. He said, I used to solicit a lot of prostitutes and sleep with prostitutes while I was married because I wasn't getting anything at home. He was waiting for me to judge him. I can tell.

I felt it. He was waiting for me to have an adverse reaction. It's like, hey, man, that doesn't change how I think about you. That's not who you are. Right. You were going through a difficult time. Didn't think that was the best choice to make. But I don't judge you, man, because you.

Because you fell and you had something that you. A behavior you were involved in that wasn't healthy for you, but rather, man, I love you just the same. I don't think of you any differently. Yeah. And I'm telling you that that spoke something to him. Right. And so I think we can have moments like that. Like you and I had a conversation a few weeks ago, and we were able to share some very painful moments.

And I think it has everything to do with not just the fact that being in community is important, but having that relationship nurtured.

Yeah.

In that community. I think it's proverbs. I think it's 24. Iron sharpens iron. Oh, yeah.

I. Well, I'm not confirming the.

It's in proverbs. It's a problem.

Iron sharp is confirming. I know what you're talking about.

Iron sharpens iron. But how do you do that? Because think about it. When iron is sharpening iron, this friction.

That is friction is a lot.

It's a heated friction. So if iron Sharpens iron. That means you and me, at some point, we gonna rub each other the wrong way. Right. And how do you get. How do you. Course correct. How do you.

How do you go to a brother in love? Right. To be able to tell them, I had another brother, man. He. He stepped outside his marriage and. And. And he too, thought I was going to judge my. I didn't judge him.

Yeah.

He said, well, what do you think, man? I said, well, I think that was a foolish move you made. But I'm telling you, man, that that has nothing to do with who you are. God does not look at us because of what we've done. God looked at it, looks at us because of who he is. And he. We are his. And those of us that are in Christ, he sees the blood. I said, gosta has a future and a hope and a destiny for you.

Right.

Isn't that comforting, though, to know that even though you make a mistake now, first off, like through the process of sanctification.

Absolutely.

The mistakes typically become fewer and fewer.

Yeah.

But isn't it comforting to know, like, you could screw up pretty big. You could make a pretty big mistake.

Yeah.

And then God's still going to be like, yeah, but I love you. I see you. I know exactly who you are. You just need to come back to me.

Yeah.

You know, and. And so as long as we are constantly pursuing him.

Yeah.

Then. Then all those things are true. But. But there's a turning point, right. Because you go and you make a mistake.

Yeah.

And then you feel all that shame and that conviction in the moment. And if you let that drive your next decision, it's going to separate you from God.

And here's what I want to say. I'm say to the camera, to those that may be watching, this shame for the believer has no place. We are not to carry shame. We're not to carry gift. When we repent. God says, I don't know about it.

Y.

The reason why we can't move on is because we hold on to it. So understand this. A mature believer understands a baby. A believer may not understand it as much, but a mature believer needs to understand that we don't walk in shame. No, God, that is not for us to carry. I think Romans 8 says that. Right. We're not to carry shame at all, but we are to walk in the newness of Christ when we confess our sins.

The Bible says he is faithful and just to forgive those who confess their sins. So how do we do that? I got you.

How do we.

I made A mistake, whatever that is. Go to someone because the word also says they overcame him by the blood of the lamb in a word of their testimony. That's how we do it. Yep.

Yeah. 100, man.

Yeah.

Go to God first. And then, you know, from there, like, if it's. If it's between you and God.

Yeah.

You confess that to him.

Absolutely.

Forgiven. Very, very quickly. No big deal. Right. You move on from it and move forward. If it involves another person, you should be praying about that. Or do I. I've confessed this to you.

Now do I go and confess this to the person?

Yeah.

Or, you know, who should I be talking?

Absolutely, absolutely.

Absolutely. So that's what it looks like in my. Am I.

No, I agree with you a thousand percent. That's exactly what it looks like. Because years ago, I had a friend of mine, and he's now passed on, and I would call him and say, hey, I need to confess to the church. He said, okay, bring it on.

And.

And that's just the relationship we had, man. And so I love that. I believe I have that in you. Right. I share some things with you. The last time we talked, that was a pain point for me. And it was an aha moment as well in a lot of ways. And the counsel you gave me, it struck my heart.

Right. So it helped me put some things in perspective about how I thought about myself. Right. Because this is a journey, people.

It is.

Life is a journey. Healing is a journey. And what I also want to say, too, we need community with other brothers, and sometimes you need to go see somebody.

Yep. That's what I did need to go to professional when I. When I had some problems that were bigger than what I can handle in community.

Yeah.

Just go right to a professional. You find. If you're a Christian, find yourself a. If you're a man and you're a Christian, find yourself a male Christian counselor that will pray for you with every session.

Absolutely.

That's my huge. That's my biggest advice.

It's huge. It's huge. I got a testimony I want to share because I think this is. This will bless somebody. So in my going to a counselor, a Christian counselor at my church, I thought that me being next to my father on his deathbed was the height of the healing I had for him abandoning me When I was 8, I said, I love you, dad. You know, I. I forgive you. You can go.

Right.

Excuse me.

And so when I sat there and I wiped his brow, Gene and I. I loved on him as he took his last breath I thought I was done. Little did I know, almost 15 years later, from that day, I was sitting in the counselor's chair and all that stuff came up, and I, I, I cried so hard I couldn't breathe. And I had to start breathing.

You got back?

Yeah, it was one of those. It was like, as Oprah says, the ugly cried that. I know what I showed you on the website on Sabr, that had. That pales in comparison to what I was experiencing. But what God was doing is cleaning all that junk out of me. And I can sit here right now. In fact, I say a few more things in that session. So the process I went through, it was a moment where it was me and the Lord.

And they said, ruben, tell me what you're feeling. What are you seeing? And I said, I'm angry, I'm hurt, and I'm in pain. And they said, would you like Jesus to take you to the Father? And the Bible says, nobody comes to the Father but by him. I said, sure. And do you know, people, let me look you in my. In your eyes. When I went through that experience, I got a vision of Jesus carrying me, taking me by the hand, walking me to his Father, and I put my arm around his legs to hold him like a child does their dad when they come home. And you know what the Lord said to me? I am your validation.

Everything that happened to you was never my intention. Do you know that was the final healing straw for that wound, that father wound. And I carried that for so many years. This was only five years ago.

Wow.

And so now I can say with a clue, with. With absolute confidence that God has healed me from a father wound. Wow. The validation I was looking for in other people and other things, I don't need that anymore. If somebody validates me, that's great.

Yeah, it's good.

But I don't need that. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I do know what you mean. Yeah. So I think it's interesting how so many men have deep hurts involving their fathers. One of the. So my father passed away as well. He passed away, probably. And I think it was coming up on 13 years ago, which was quite some time ago, and for a long time, I carried some very deep hurts. And.

And I was not a very good person. I would, I would talk, I would. I'm sorry, I'll just be blunt. I would say exactly what I thought about my dad. When people would be like, oh, your dad was such a great guy. And I would be like, oh, really? Because here's what I Think, you know, and.

Yeah. Yeah.

And just a couple years ago, I. I didn't have the exact same experience, but I just had an aha moment. Just a moment sitting with the Lord and the Holy Spirit. And suddenly a thought which was not my own popped into my mind, which was, your father did the best he could for an earthly father. And I was. From that moment on, that was enough for me to forgive him.

Wow.

And let go.

Wow.

Of those deep hurt.

Wow.

Because I knew it was from the Lord.

Yeah.

The Lord's. The Lord told me. Yeah. Your dad did a good job for being. For being a broken guy who wasn't a Christian.

Yeah.

And what perspective. Yeah.

So.

So I think it comes in different. Different forms. Yeah. But I do think it's really interesting how the. All of. All of these guys out here are carrying these deep hurts from their fathers and.

Yeah.

And they're not all the same. My dad, he actually raised me. Your dad.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, you know, walked away like.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

But, you know, my mom did that to me, so. Yeah, it's like the same, but a different. Yeah, it's flipped. But. But anyway. Yeah. So those deep hurts, like, the Lord can absolutely heal those. And he might.

He might do that in counseling. He might do that in quiet time. He might do that in community.

Yep.

Which is why you got to participate in all of it.

Exactly, exactly. So it doesn't take just one thing. It takes multiple things. Community in multiple places. But definitely, I want to encourage all of you out there that are listening, man or woman, that in order to find your healing, it is going to take you to being in community. It's going to take you being willing to be open, to be authentically courageous, as Michael Jackson would say, I'm looking at the man in the mirror. You. Sometimes you gotta look at yourself and you have to say, you know what? That stinks.

And I need to change that.

Hold on, hold on. We got to talk about man in the mirror.

Okay, Come on, come on.

Because, you know, Michael Jackson, his perspective is, I'm. I'm starting with the man in the mirror. I'm gonna make that change, Right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, the thing is, you know, as a man, you can look in the mirror and say, I want to make that change. And then the Lord will give you the power and the ability and the resources to do that.

Absolutely.

That'. That's the perspective that Michael didn't have, but it's the perspective that we have.

That's perspective we need to have. And that's where it becomes courageous for you to confront yourself. Yeah. The things that are not so desirable, you know. Yeah. So listen, we're gonna stop there and. Because we can go on and on and on. But I just want to say, Gene, thank you so much, man, for joining us today.

And I look forward to more conversations. We'll have a part two coming up.

Absolutely.

But we're going to continue this conversation about authentic manhood and talking about the things that matter most. And so next time we'll have maybe another guest that we can talk to that can give us a little bit more insight psychologically on why people tend to suppress what they feeling. And a lot of that is rooted in fear. So we'll talk about that next time, too. But before we go.

Yeah, go ahead, Reuben. I just want to say thank you, first off. Second off, I want to give you all some resources as far as automotive go. Yes. Thank you for the. For Delaware county residents. If you are a family that's struggling and you have some auto repairs that need to be completed, please reach out to our organization. You can reach us automotivetivego.org our phone number is 740-441-77856.

Please feel free to pick up the phone. Feel free to come to our website and then fill out an application. Lastly, if you are the type of person that happens to have additional income and are looking for an organization to donate to, we are a recognized 501c3 nonprofit organization. So please reach out to us. Come to our website. We do have a link where you can donate. Again, that website is automotivego.org Our phone number is 740-417-7856. Please reach out.

Awesome. And I have used their services and they are amazing. So please, if you have a need, reach out. Gene, thank you so much, man, for your time. I look forward to our continued conversation and we'll talk with you guys sometime soon. Thanks so much. Y' all have a wonderful day.

Bless you guys.