This episode is a little bit of a Frankenstein...in the best way possible. Between Halloween chaos and a behind-the-scenes project you’ll hear hints about, we’re revisiting one of our most-loved conversations on student engagement strategies. We’re breaking down how to balance structure with novelty (aka spark) through the seven “seasons” of the school year, with practical tips for keeping students engaged, energized, and thriving, no matter what time of year it is!
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This is episode 230 of Teacher Approved.
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Emily:Hey there. Thanks for joining us today. In today's episode, we
Emily:are revisiting our discussion about how to channel classroom
Emily:energy all year long, and sharing a new teacher approved
Emily:tip for cheering students on.
Heidi:Let's start with a try it tomorrow, where we share a quick
Heidi:win that you can try in your classroom right away. Emily,
Heidi:what is our suggestion for this week?
Emily:Tomorrow, take a minute and ask your students, What's
Emily:one thing that's been working really well in our class lately?
Emily:You can turn it into a journal prompt, a class discussion, or
Emily:even have students write it on sticky notes that you can
Emily:display on the board.
Heidi:This is a great way to help students appreciate the
Heidi:things that are going right, and the more that we focus on the
Heidi:good things around us, the more that we start to notice it. Plus
Heidi:this gives you helpful feedback too.
Emily:Yeah, and you could even turn this into a regular part of
Emily:your routine and set aside a few minutes every week for a what's
Emily:working for us Wednesday, or how are things Thursday.
Heidi:Yeah, you'll be surprised at what your kids notice and
Heidi:really how insightful they can be.
Emily:If you like this idea or anything else we share here on
Emily:the podcast, would you take a second and give us a five star
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Heidi:All right, everyone, announcement time. Emily and I
Heidi:have some exciting news.
Emily:Yes, drum roll, please. Wherever you're listening, give
Emily:us a drum roll. We are writing a book! And you may have heard us
Emily:sneak that announcement in mid episode last week, but now is
Emily:the formal announcement. We're writing a book cue, the air
Emily:horn. We're so excited.
Heidi:And because we have to send this off to the publisher
Heidi:this week, we did not have time to prepare a whole new episode.
Heidi:So this episode is a little bit of a Frankenstein.
Heidi:Well, that's appropriate, because it's Halloween this
Heidi:week.
Heidi:Oh that works out, yeah.
Emily:We added a new try it tomorrow segment at the
Emily:beginning that you just heard. And we've got a new teacher
Emily:approved tip that we're going to share after we replay. And we've
Emily:got fresh extra credits coming in hot, so make sure to stick
Emily:around till the end.
Heidi:But you know, the middle section is a replay from an
Heidi:episode that we aired last year.
Emily:And even if you listened to it before, you probably don't
Emily:remember it. So go ahead and re listen to it either way. And we
Emily:felt it was only right to replay this episode this week because
Emily:it was the starting point for our book.
Heidi:Yeah, this, this was not anything we had planned on. But
Heidi:after Emily and I finished recording the episode last fall,
Heidi:I said, You know what? I think this feels like a book. So that
Heidi:afternoon, I wrote up an outline based on our episode, and then
Heidi:we just put it aside because we had so many other things going
Heidi:on, and we had no plans to write a book.
Emily:And it's a good thing you did write that outline, because
Emily:about a month after we did that episode, an editor reached out
Emily:and asked if we had any thoughts for a book. And you know what,
Emily:we just so happened to have this one idea, and she said it
Emily:sounded great, and asked us to write up a book proposal, which
Emily:was a lot easier to do because the outline was already written.
Heidi:It was so lucky. And then a few weeks after that, we
Heidi:signed a contract. It all happened very quickly, and now
Heidi:here we are, down to the very last minute trying to get it all
Heidi:done. We are we are so close. But guys, it turns out that
Heidi:writing a whole book is a lot of work.
Emily:I know! Who knew? I thought it was going to be so
Emily:easy. So while we go finish up our word count, we hope you
Emily:enjoy this replay of episode 165 about student engagement in
Emily:every season of the school year.
Heidi:But here is a little behind the scenes sneak peek. In
Heidi:this episode, we talk about maintaining the balance of
Heidi:structure and novelty in the classroom. You know, that is one
Heidi:of our favorite topics, but we have changed that a little bit
Heidi:in the book.
Emily:I feel like that idea has come along the whole time on our
Emily:podcast, like every time we revisit it, grows a little,
Emily:changes a little. Well, we changed it a little in the book,
Emily:because instead of novelty, we are calling it spark, and that
Emily:is actually the title of the book, Structure and Spark.
Heidi:I don't know if we're supposed to announce that yet,
Heidi:so act surprised when we do a big reveal later on.
Emily:This book will be out next summer, and we will let you
Emily:know all about it once we have more details and it's ready to
Emily:pre order, but until then, enjoy this little preview of what's to
Emily:come, and stay with us at the end for the new teacher approved
Emily:tip and extra credit.
Emily:Now we've shared this idea before, but just hold with us
Emily:again as we explain about how student engagement is like an
Emily:old timey balance scale. One bucket is structure and the
Emily:other bucket is novelty. In the middle, where it's more or less
Emily:balanced, our students are engaged. If the scale tips too
Emily:far to the structure side, kids are bored. If the scale tips too
Emily:much to the novelty side, kids are overwhelmed.
Heidi:Good teaching means you respond to what's happening in
Heidi:your classroom in the moment. To keep kids engaged in that
Heidi:learning zone, you are constantly tweaking the levels
Heidi:of structure and novelty to maintain that balance between
Heidi:boredom and overwhelm.
Emily:It's that old buzzword from college, monitor and
Emily:adjust, and it really is constant work. The arrival of a
Emily:new student, a student teacher in music class, a last minute
Emily:change of the lunch schedule, or a fire drill, all seem like
Emily:minor disturbances, but they can quickly overflow that novelty
Emily:bucket and dip your class into overwhelm if you're not paying
Emily:attention.
Heidi:On the other hand, having the same seating arrangement for
Heidi:too long, using the same fast finisher after every lesson, and
Heidi:expecting too much seat work, are structures that can create
Heidi:boredom if you're not careful.
Emily:Maintaining student engagement really comes down to
Emily:a minute by minute dance of monitoring and adjusting, like
Emily:we said. But even though we have to adapt on the fly if our plans
Emily:aren't working, that doesn't mean we can't anticipate some of
Emily:the ups and downs of student engagement.
Heidi:Right. Like you can't predict that on October 29 a bee
Heidi:will get into your class and disrupt the rest of the morning.
Emily:That happened to me.
Heidi:Me too. Or a spider on the wall.
Emily:Yep, that happened too.
Heidi:But you can guess that on October 29 your students are
Heidi:likely to be more restless than usual because they're excited
Heidi:for Halloween. And so you can make your plans accordingly.
Emily:Because kids are kids, no matter where you teach, the
Emily:seasons of the school year, and the pros and cons of each one
Emily:will apply to most classrooms.
Heidi:And we're not talking about the seasons of fall,
Heidi:winter and spring. We are talking about the seven seasons
Heidi:of the school year. Did you know there were seven? Bet you did.
Emily:Of course I did.
Heidi:If you're on a non traditional schedule or, you
Heidi:know, if you teach outside the US, these might not perfectly
Heidi:align with your classroom, but I think for most classrooms, we
Heidi:can kind of fudge these to make them fit most school settings.
Heidi:We start with back to school season, of course, that moves to
Heidi:the season of settling in, the holiday ramp up, back to work
Heidi:season, testing season, spring fever, and making it to the end.
Emily:Yeah, that's a perfect distillation of a year of
Emily:school. Unlike natural seasons, the seasons of the school year
Emily:can have wildly varying lengths. The holiday ramp up might be
Emily:three weeks and the back to work season that starts in January
Emily:can last two or more months.
Heidi:Or it might be much shorter than that if you have to
Heidi:dive into heavy duty test prep right away in January. The
Heidi:specific seasons of your school calendar will vary, but there
Heidi:are a few things that are constant. First, each season
Heidi:brings its own hoorays and headaches, and each season needs
Heidi:its own approach to engagement in academics and behavior
Heidi:management. A lot of the ups and downs of the school year are
Heidi:predictable, and that means if you're aware of them, you can
Heidi:plan in advance for how to address them. So let's take a
Heidi:deeper look at each of our school seasons, starting with
Heidi:our favorite back to school season.
Emily:Oh, it really is our favorite, because there are so
Emily:many big hoorays that come with starting the new school year,
Emily:the fresh start, meeting your new class and getting to try new
Emily:things is so much fun, but the headaches that come with back to
Emily:school season are real and they're intense. It is so much
Emily:work to start the year. You are at your most tired at the time
Emily:when you need your most energy. So it can take a toll.
Heidi:For students, novelty is the highest it will be all year
Heidi:during back to school. Everything is new. So as the
Heidi:teachers, we need to lean really hard into creating structure. We
Heidi:are teaching dozens of procedures, building routines
Heidi:and creating a class culture.
Emily:When it comes to academics, the main goal is to
Emily:figure out where everybody is. That means lots of assessments.
Emily:We also need to make up for the summer slide and review last
Emily:year's content to refresh their little memories.
Heidi:We have three goals that come with behavior management,
Heidi:prevent, plan and predict. We're going to prevent problems all
Heidi:year long by laying a strong foundation during the back to
Heidi:school season. We use strategic seating. We teach and reinforce
Heidi:our attention signals and transition expectations. Our
Heidi:plan for addressing problems can often be handled by teaching
Heidi:procedures and expectations. These guidelines will help
Heidi:students know exactly what to do, and we predict problems by
Heidi:establishing clear and consistent consequences. We want
Heidi:students to know early on that when they don't meet our
Heidi:expectations, they are invited to try again correctly.
Emily:Ideally, we are preparing in advance for each of our
Emily:school seasons. But since this episode is going out in the
Emily:middle of October, we're not going to dive into all of the
Emily:back to school resources we have available to help you with that
Emily:season. You've got a few months before you need to worry about
Emily:that again, so we'll just put a little pin in that.
Heidi:But keep listening, because, you know, we'll swing
Heidi:back around to it in a few months. However, if you are
Heidi:listening to this in the spring or summer. Scroll back through
Heidi:our podcast episodes for a very robust catalog of back to school
Heidi:tips. We've definitely got you covered when it's time for back
Heidi:to school prep.
Emily:So we've made it through the first few weeks of school.
Emily:We're now in the golden season of settling in. Hooray!
Emily:Classroom community is taking shape. Everyone is getting a
Emily:sense of this is our class, and this is who we are. These early
Emily:days have their own kind of magic.
Heidi:And they also have their own kind of headaches. Once
Heidi:students start to feel comfortable, they start pushing
Heidi:boundaries. This is where the prevention that we established
Heidi:in back to school season becomes important. Predict that this
Heidi:will happen and have a plan in place for reinforcing your
Heidi:expectations when the boundaries are pushed. At this point, you
Heidi:might need to do your first desk switch. Check out our
Heidi:interactive seating chart tool to learn our system for
Heidi:strategically assigning seats to minimize problems.
Emily:As kids settle in, structure and novelty become
Emily:more balanced. Your students are used to the day's routine, so
Emily:boredom can start to creep in. Try introducing some surprise
Emily:and delight to keep things fresh. You can hear all about
Emily:surprise and delight in episodes 35 and 156.
Heidi:Depending on what holidays are celebrated in your
Heidi:community, the holiday ramp up season may start early in the
Heidi:school year or wait until right before winter break. Halloween
Heidi:may be the entry point, or maybe Halloween is just a blip, and
Heidi:things don't really kick off until the end of November.
Emily:Regardless of the official starting point, we want
Emily:to make sure we're ready when that day arrives. I love
Emily:seasonal fun, so for me, holiday ramp up season came with a lot
Emily:of hoorays. We did themed math games and fun writing
Emily:activities. But of course, all that novelty brings its own
Emily:headaches.
Heidi:Right, when novelty is increasing, we need to balance
Heidi:that by leaning into structure. Make sure you're being
Heidi:consistent with your procedures and expectations. As the holiday
Heidi:ramp up season goes on, you might need to actually increase
Heidi:the structure in your classroom. In that case, you might consider
Heidi:adding a reward system.
Emily:Now we are not big fans of doing a year round reward
Emily:system, because they just don't work. Kids get tired of them,
Emily:and they become a big hassle for teachers to manage.
Heidi:Also for a lot of the year, during most of these
Heidi:seasons, kids can manage their behavior just fine without
Heidi:external rewards. So why make your job harder?
Emily:Exactly. However, when novelty reaches a point that
Emily:kids can't control themselves, they need us to provide support.
Emily:So we talk in depth about short term reward systems in episodes
Emily:104 and just recently, in episode 158. Check those out if
Emily:you want our deep thoughts and best tips for using a short term
Emily:reward system.
Heidi:We have some resources to help with both novelty and
Heidi:structure during holiday ramp up season. Check out our festive
Heidi:breaks for some holiday fun that won't cost you your sanity. And
Heidi:check out our holiday behavior helps for support with setting
Heidi:up a short term reward system. And there are links to both of
Heidi:those in the show notes.
Emily:And make sure to check out our December teacher
Emily:survival kit if you want some extra resources for managing
Emily:your students' behavior during holiday ramp up season.
Heidi:That kit also has some suggestions for managing
Heidi:academics in the holiday season. You want to do your best to stay
Heidi:on track with your pacing guides, but you will reach a day
Heidi:in December when it is pointless to introduce new content. Either
Heidi:you don't want to teach important material right before
Heidi:a long break, or your kids are just going to be too hyper to
Heidi:learn, or maybe, you know, a mixture of both. So schedule
Heidi:your stop teaching new content date and then make a plan for
Heidi:how to fill the remaining days of school with meaningful, low
Heidi:prep activities.
Emily:And when you come back to school in January, you're ready
Emily:to kick off back to work season. This season combines the best of
Emily:back to school season and settling in season. You have the
Emily:magic of a new beginning round two, but you're not back at
Emily:square one. You're starting over with a fresh chance to get
Emily:things right, though.
Heidi:It's important to use the first few days back to re
Heidi:establish those important structures that make your
Heidi:classroom run smoothly. Reteach and practice important
Heidi:procedures, have class discussions about how things
Heidi:were before and how they better improve going forward.
Emily:After the New Year sparkle has worn off, though,
Emily:the back to work season can drag. There's too many days of
Emily:inside recess. The kids are bored of the same routine day in
Emily:and day out. After so many big gains early in the year,
Emily:learning progress can start to stall.
Heidi:When you hit the midwinter blahs, look for ways
Heidi:to freshen things up. Introduce a new center choice, give
Heidi:opportunities for more group work, integrate art into less
Heidi:creative subjects, rearrange the seating more often, and of
Heidi:course, look for some chances to sprinkle in some surprise and
Heidi:delight.
Emily:If you haven't been doing it all year, you probably want
Emily:to schedule a dedicated time for spiral review each day. It may
Emily:feel a long way off, but testing season is right around the
Emily:corner from back to work season.
Heidi:Spiral review is a form of retrieval practice. It's how
Heidi:our brains turn information we've heard into information we
Heidi:can remember. It's absolutely vital to learning and the best
Heidi:way to prepare for testing. Our favorite way of incorporating
Heidi:spiral review is through our morning work. But that doesn't
Heidi:mean you only have to limit spiral review to the morning.
Heidi:You can do spiral review any time of day.
Emily:Yep, there aren't many things that we'd say that pretty
Emily:much every single classroom needs to do, but spiral review
Emily:really is a must. If you want more information on spiral
Emily:review, retrieval practice, or morning work, check out episode
Emily:91.
Heidi:Depending on your testing schedule, you may hit testing
Heidi:season right after back to work season, or you may have spring
Heidi:fever in the middle of it all.
Emily:Because testing windows vary so wildly from place to
Emily:place, the last three seasons of the year are hard to match up to
Emily:exact months. If you live in a state that does end of your
Emily:testing in January or February, your back to work season may
Emily:just be a few days of relaunching your class and then
Emily:a deep dive into test prep.
Heidi:But if you have the other extreme, and you don't test
Heidi:until May or June, you may have a long stretch of back to work
Heidi:season and spring fever before testing season really kicks off.
Emily:Adjust our examples to fit your calendar, but for the
Emily:sake of simplicity, we're going to assume you test near the end
Emily:of April or early May. That means between back to work
Emily:season and testing season, you might have a long stretch of
Emily:spring fever.
Heidi:Spring fever is tricky because it doesn't just affect
Heidi:the students. It hits teachers so hard as well. Finally, winter
Heidi:is over, or, you know, we've had a couple sunny days, and so now
Heidi:we have the hope that winter will someday be over. That first
Heidi:warm, sunny day feels like the lights have finally turned on.
Heidi:It can be such a relief after so many dreary months.
Emily:But of course, there are some headaches that come with
Emily:spring fever. And I don't just mean allergies. Though those are
Emily:bad, and they do give me headaches.
Heidi:So bad.
Emily:Spring fever headaches come in many forms. For example,
Emily:it feels like school should be wrapping up, but you might have
Emily:a full term or more left. The regular structure of the
Emily:classroom starts to feel confining. Things that used to
Emily:run smoothly in your class suddenly develop potholes.
Heidi:To manage these headaches, one thing you can do
Heidi:is to try offering more choices. The options don't have to be big
Heidi:or complicated. You could try letting kids choose if they want
Heidi:to do the work in pencil or crayon, right? Simple, you still
Heidi:get the work you need done and the kids have a little bit of
Heidi:freedom. Or you can try letting them decide if they want to
Heidi:write in their journal first or do their science vocabulary
Heidi:first.
Emily:Letting kids have a little more control is an easy
Emily:way to add some novelty without sacrificing too much structure.
Emily:Also, don't be afraid to revisit your procedures and expectations
Emily:more often during the spring fever season.
Heidi:We definitely don't want to fall into the trap of
Heidi:thinking that, because we are getting close to the end, it's
Heidi:too late to fix behavior problems. You've still got time.
Heidi:We've got some handy procedure rating slides to guide a class
Heidi:discussion on what's going well and what needs to be better.
Emily:Or you could make procedure review just a part of
Emily:your daily schedule going forward. Pause before going to
Emily:specialty classes and have kids reflect on how they need to act,
Emily:or have a quick discussion before recess starts. Keeping
Emily:your expectations alive in your classroom will make spring fever
Emily:much more manageable. And if you need some more help navigating
Emily:the season of spring fever, check out episode 124 where we
Emily:go all into the details about the difficulties of spring fever
Emily:and how to survive them.
Emily:And once you make it through spring fever, now it's time to
Emily:move into testing season.
Heidi:Just thinking ahead to testing season is a downer. It's
Heidi:really not my favorite time of the year, so I had to dig really
Heidi:deep to come up with any hoorays for this season, but I did find
Heidi:a few. So because you know each other so well, by that time of
Heidi:year, it's a good time to really focus on social emotional
Heidi:learning.
Emily:And leaning more into SEL is a good way to plan for
Emily:addressing the behavior problems that crop up because your class
Emily:is so comfortable together. You know it's coming, so you may as
Emily:well be ready to address it.
Heidi:That class familiarity also makes testing season a good
Heidi:time for class projects. Maybe you use this time to plan a
Heidi:performance or have your kids get involved in a service
Heidi:project. Lean into the advantages of the class bonding
Heidi:that is also making it trickier to get things done.
Emily:Because there's so much to review before testing, we
Emily:don't want to burn kids out with drill and kill. Add some novelty
Emily:to a time of high structure by using games to review instead of
Emily:relying on worksheets all the time.
Heidi:When you get to your actual testing days, you will
Heidi:likely need to adapt your daily schedule. Keep the time before
Heidi:the test predictable and calm, help students feel grounded and
Heidi:prepared, and then after the day's testing, make sure you've
Heidi:planned activities that are lighter and more fun. Kids need
Heidi:novelty after so many hours of intense structure.
Emily:Because your schedule is going to be out of whack for a
Emily:few days. you may need to increase your behavior
Emily:management system. You might need to plan some extra behavior
Emily:supports the same way you did before the holidays.
Heidi:You might even need to start with this before testing
Heidi:season starts. I found that usually by the end of February,
Heidi:my classes were just kind of over it. So I needed a longer
Heidi:term, short term plan. For me, a class economy worked well. I
Heidi:would have my second graders earn plastic coins, because we
Heidi:had to learn how to count money, and when they had $1 they could
Heidi:buy something from the reward catalog. And that worked pretty
Heidi:well for a couple months, right up until we got to making it to
Heidi:the end season, and then all bets are off.
Emily:Yeah, as hectic as it is, making it to the end season can
Emily:be fun too. Once testing is out of the way, it feels like one
Emily:big hooray. I love to add more hands on math projects and
Emily:crafts and fun celebrations, but that season is also one giant
Emily:management nightmare.
Heidi:Right. You are so exhausted by that point, and the
Heidi:kids are checked out, and there are still so many hours between
Heidi:you and summer break. Normally, when novelty is high like that,
Heidi:we would recommend increasing the structure, but the structure
Heidi:is part of the problem, because after eight months, the kids are
Heidi:bored of just the same old, same old.
Emily:But you can't add much novelty because they're about an
Emily:inch away from tipping into complete overwhelm. So you need
Emily:to add structured novelty or novel structure.
Heidi:Either way, you just need something new that doesn't
Heidi:require a lot from the tired teacher. That's why we love
Heidi:theme days during making it to the end season. The theme adds
Heidi:some novelty to your regular classroom routines, but it also
Heidi:increases the structure. That's going to cut back on a lot of
Heidi:out of control behaviors.
Emily:But don't be afraid to launch a new reward system, if
Emily:that's what it takes to rein in the excitement. Adding a new
Emily:system is another way to increase novelty and structure
Emily:at the same time.
Heidi:Plus you don't have to worry about kids becoming
Heidi:dependent on these rewards, because you've got a built in
Heidi:end date. You're almost a summer break baby.
Emily:Even though we've got five more seasons to get through
Emily:before we actually get to summer. The end of the school
Emily:year will be here before you know it. Making a strategic plan
Emily:for what's ahead is one way to prevent burnout. Plus, it's kind
Emily:of helpful just to have a vision of where we're headed this year.
Emily:Now for our teacher approved tip of the week, where we share an
Emily:actionable tip to help you elevate what matters and
Emily:simplify the rest. This week's teacher approved tip is to have
Emily:fun with your praise. Tell us about this, Heidi.
Heidi:Well during a lesson, when a student gives you a
Heidi:correct response, you probably say something like, Hey, that's
Heidi:right, or Great thinking. But if you want to add in a little bit
Heidi:of novelty, or, you know, Spark, try leveling up your praise with
Heidi:an action. You're right, six times seven is 42, give yourself
Heidi:a pat on the back for knowing that. And then extend that to
Heidi:the rest of the class to help keep them engaged. And all of
Heidi:you, give yourselves a pat on the back if you also knew the
Heidi:answer.
Emily:And you're not limited to pats on the back. You can
Emily:sprinkle in a bit more fun by having students give themselves
Emily:a pat on the nose or a pat on the knee, or even give
Emily:themselves a high five.
Heidi:I also like to add a little moment of connection.
Heidi:You're right, everyone give yourself a pat on the back if
Heidi:you also knew that Layla is the main character, and give
Heidi:yourself a pat on the elbow because I like you.
Emily:And kids will love it if you lean into the silliness a
Emily:bit. Give yourself a high five if you knew the answer. And give
Emily:me an air high five because I did such a good job teaching
Emily:you. Or give yourself a thumbs up if you solve the problem the
Emily:same way Connor did, and give your neighbor a thumbs up
Emily:because we're glad they're here. It takes two seconds, but it
Emily:gives the whole class a huge mood boost.
Heidi:And here's a little pro tip. I did this in an
Heidi:observation once, and my vice principal was very impressed, so
Heidi:you might want to keep this in your back pocket for the next
Heidi:time your principal stops by.
Emily:Oh, good idea.
Heidi:To wrap up the show, we are sharing what we're giving
Heidi:extra credit to this week. Emily, what gets your extra
Heidi:credit?
Emily:I'm giving extra credit to the TV show Blood of My
Emily:Blood. If you're not familiar, this is a prequel to the
Emily:Outlander series, which I also watched and enjoyed. Blood of my
Emily:blood is unique because it has two main couples. So it's the
Emily:parents of Jamie and the parents of Claire from Outlander. I got
Emily:so sucked into the show and binged the whole season in a
Emily:week. You might have to suspend some disbelief in a show like
Emily:this, in general.
Heidi:Time travel.
Emily:Yes, especially in this one where it's a little like,
Emily:okay, so like, the exact same thing that happens to Claire
Emily:when she's grown up? Okay, sure. But you know what, I don't even
Emily:care, because I think I would go as far as to say that I might
Emily:even like this more than Outlander.
Heidi:Oh, wow.
Emily:The only bummer is that I hope it doesn't follow the same
Emily:release schedule that Outlander has followed, which is sometimes
Emily:like two years in between seasons. So hopefully, hopefully
Emily:it's not going to be like that. But our podcast editor, Sara, Hi
Emily:Sara, we've been in deep discussion about the finale this
Emily:weekend on Voxer, so you're gonna have to watch it, Heidi.
Heidi:Yeah, I started Outlander, but it was just a
Heidi:little too gritty for me, so.
Emily:Yeah, and I didn't find this to be as gritty, although
Emily:I'm like, maybe I'm just more hardened now than when I watched
Emily:Outlander the first time. But I did not find it to be as like,
Emily:you know, like gruesome or, or nakey. There's some nakey, but
Emily:not as much nakey. I think. It's really hard to quantify the
Emily:amount of nakedness without, like, really taking a tally. I
Emily:did not do that, but it seemed like less nakedness.
Heidi:Maybe I'll try. It looks stunning, and it's always so
Heidi:beautiful. And who doesn't want to go to Scotland, so I'll have
Heidi:to try it out.
Emily:What are you giving extra credit to, Heidi?
Heidi:Okay, well, this is a very abrupt vibe shit. My extra
Heidi:credit goes out to Haul out the Halloween on the Hallmark
Heidi:Channel.
Emily:Hey, look, we can contain multitudes. We can like the
Emily:Hallmark Channel and Starz, okay.
Heidi:So if you're not familiar, this is the third
Heidi:movie in the Haul Out series. The first two are about
Heidi:Christmas, and obviously this one is about Halloween. And like
Heidi:all Hallmark movies and time travel movies, you have to
Heidi:suspend your disbelief to be able to enjoy it. But I think
Heidi:these are so funny. They're probably my favorite of the
Heidi:Hallmark movie genre.
Emily:Oh, for sure, as long as you know that it's all tongue in
Emily:cheek, like, you know, they're leaning into being ridiculous,
Emily:then you can just enjoy it. And it's funny.
Heidi:I think it helps that, like they're not taking
Heidi:themselves too seriously. They know that this is just bananas,
Heidi:and they're having fun with it.
Emily:Yeah.
Heidi:But the premise is a subdivision that is absolutely
Heidi:obsessed with the holidays to the point that celebrating them
Heidi:is mandated. And in this movie, a couple of Halloween obsessed
Heidi:neighbors move onto the street and they upset the norm. Of
Heidi:course, it's just over the top silly, and the new neighbors are
Heidi:played by Marnie and Cal from the Halloween Town movies, if
Heidi:you know those. So that was a fun surprise. And then the
Heidi:supporting cast is awesome, and there's so so many fun Easter
Heidi:eggs. I was laughing out loud a ton. Lacey Chabert is the main
Heidi:female lead, and she's from the Mean Girl movies. There's a
Heidi:great Mean Girls joke just kind of slid right in. It's very fun.
Emily:She's also from Party of Five. I feel like I have to say
Emily:justice for Party of Five, because I love Party of Five.
Emily:And in the second Christmas movie, the new neighbor lady
Emily:that moves in is from Party of Five.
Heidi:Oh, I didn't catch that. There's so many subtle things.
Heidi:And if you're from Utah, you will extra love this because
Heidi:it's set in Utah, and it's obviously written by someone
Heidi:from Utah. So there are all kinds of little like Utah
Heidi:specific details in this one. Funeral Potatoes get a mention.
Emily:Oh, and there's so many that like, if you're not from
Emily:Utah, if we were to tell you now, you will just think, who
Emily:cares? Why is that funny? But for the Utah people, it's just a
Emily:nice little wink. It's fun.
Heidi:Yes, there's a moment with a bunch of limes. I don't
Heidi:want to spoil it, because I'm, I know you haven't seen it, Emily,
Heidi:but, like.
Emily:I recorded it.
Heidi:Okay. I laughed so hard. You need maybe a hint of the
Heidi:culture to get it. But I could be surprised. Maybe everyone
Heidi:will love it.
Emily:I think it's a good movie, even if you're not from
Emily:Yeah, you just maybe will get, like, all of the little nods,
Emily:some of them are pretty subtle.
Heidi:Yes, and you don't have to have seen the two Christmas
Heidi:movies before watching this, trust me, the plot is
Heidi:straightforward enough that you will catch on very quickly.
Emily:I think that's a nice thing about Hallmark. You just
Emily:jump in anywhere.
Heidi:Doesn't matter. Last 10 minutes. You got the whole show.
Emily:Ah but we love it.
Heidi:Yes.
Heidi:That is it for today's episode. To help maintain student
Heidi:engagement plan for the upcoming seasons of the school year, and
Heidi:try adding a bit of spark to your praise.
Heidi:We hope you enjoyed this episode of Teacher Approved. I'm Heidi.
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Heidi:Bye for now.
Emily:Bye.