My guest this week is Chelsie Ward. We're talking about being raised with the belief that you have to be perfect, challenging what you accept as a family or societal norm, and once again, how mindset affects your physical health.

We get into rewiring your brain, reprogramming your thoughts is a constant thing you work on. You can't undo years and years and years of wiring, from the time you were a small child, all the way up to now, in one session. Understand you’re not failing or doing it wrong when the negative self talk comes back up. Know that working on reprogramming yourself every morning and saying this is who I am now, is what moves you forward on your new path.

And Chelsie talks about making a decision. A decision that she didn’t want to live the crazy life she’d been leading anymore. She didn’t want to be pretend she had everything figured out and was living without imperfections. She wanted to learn who she is at her core and be driven by a higher purpose, not her past and who she HAD been. All it takes is a decision and you can change everything.

Chelsie’s story is a story of hope and encouragement for what is possible in your own life.

Last week, I hosted a workshop where I shared how I found clarity, passion, and peace around which direction to go in this next stage of life - and how YOU CAN TOO! If you’d like to see the replay, go to ZenRabbit.com to get access to that video.

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Lori Saitz 0:01

Hello, and welcome to this episode of Fine is a 4-Letter Word. My guest today is Chelsie Ward, Chelsie and I were introduced by our mutual friend, Trisha Stetzel. And I'm so grateful that she did introduce us because this is going to be such a good conversation. Welcome, Chelsie.

Chelsie Ward 0:17

Thank you so much appreciate you having me, Lori.

Lori Saitz 0:22

My pleasure, my pleasure. So let's get right into it. My first question is always what were the values and beliefs that you that were instilled in you as you were growing up.

Chelsie Ward 0:35

So I remember two that really stand out. And one of those was related to money. And that was that you had to work hard, you had to be independent, you had to be able to stand on your own two feet. So my dad was an entrepreneur, and he was really successful in the work that he did. He worked all the time, he was always just working hard. And he, he wasn't one of those people that lived with ease, you know, because he was just always busy doing the things. And if he wasn't busy working, he was busy doing something else, kind of a type A personality that I picked up really well for him. And I also watched my parents give a lot, they were givers. They were lovers of other people. But I think that for me, I looked at it and I was like, I watched people take advantage of them. So it really gave me a bad taste in my mouth about giving, which is a horrible thing to say. But I think that there was this idea that we had, we had to be perfect, right? Perfect in the eyes of others, just loving and giving and just constantly pouring in. And it was just, it just seemed so hard for me.

And the other thing that I picked up in childhood was really related to my health. And that was that I was going to get everything passed down from generation to generation, it didn't really matter. My grandmother actually looked at me one day, and she said, child, you get everything that is in our family line. And you know, you don't really think about it as a child, but you kind of like take that in and you own it. And that's exactly what I did. So I expected to get sick. So every time a cold came around, or every time a flu came around, or you know, my grandmother had diabetes, and I ended up with blood sugar issues at age seven, right? So all of these things, constipation, you know, hormone issues, everything that came down the family line. And I did that until I was literally sick, and almost every organ system on my body. But I believed that it was just something that I had to deal with. I believed that being sick had to be a part of my reality for the rest of my life. So and I also oh my gosh, I just felt like I had to be Yeah.

Lori Saitz 2:45

I was gonna ask you do you have siblings that absorb that same kind of information?

Chelsie Ward 2:52

It's really interesting to see the difference. And I think it has to do with probably, me being the oldest and feeling like I had to take responsibility for everything and everything was mine, and I owned it. My sister's a lot more carefree. Like she doesn't care about what other people think she never cared about any of that. And I can say some of the same tendencies. But no, she's more, because everybody took care of her. She was kind of baby, she just kind of carries that into adulthood more.

Lori Saitz 3:24

Okay, interesting. It's, you know, again, people, parents, society, teachers don't necessarily realize what they're saying. Or they realize what they're saying, but the way we interpret it is so different and maybe very different than the way they intended it. But our little minds just absorb and process.

Chelsie Ward 3:50

Yeah, absolutely. Just, you know, just fear that fear. constant fear is what I grew up with, you know, fear that I wasn't perfect enough or fear that I would be criticized or, you know, and I think that some of the things that go on into adulthood, we don't realize we got to do some serious work to erase those things.

Lori Saitz 4:09

Mm hmm. Yeah. Now, and they were things that you absorbed, but were they so the the thing about the health, obviously, she was telling you that you are conduit for all of this stuff through the family? What about the you have to be perfect? You have to do everything right. Was that something that was outwardly said to you? Or was that something that you assumed? Again, I think as as firstborn, we tend to do that, because we're, we have, I don't know, firstborn has that tendency of everything has to be right. And we have to be a good example for everyone.

Chelsie Ward 4:48

Yeah, I think it's something that as a child, your your small mind just can't comprehend it. And you really create your own interpretation of a lot of these things. So I don't know that it was necessarily said. But when we walked out of the house, my mom wanted us to be perfect. If there was ever anything going on in the home, then we were to put on this perfect face and pretend that everything was fine. So there was just this facade that I saw. And I think that most families are probably maybe similar. You know, we don't really want to share our business outside the home. But to me, I think my interpretation of that was that everything had to be perfect. I had to appear that everything was perfect. I could never step out alone so that that created this. This, I guess, rule follower in me, you know, I had to I had to be perfect. I had to follow the rules. I had to do everything, right. And then I took on all this false responsibility, you know, for my sister and all the things and every time she messed up, I thought, Oh, no, I must be more perfect because now mom and dad are upset because she's upset. Um, so now if I just be a little bit more perfect, then that's going to ease the situation a little bit. So I think it just creates a vicious cycle.

Lori Saitz 6:08

Yeah, interesting. And then how did that play out as you got older and into adulthood.

Chelsie Ward 6:15

So I think I lived that life for many years, thinking that I could live up to this place of perfectionism, you know, and I attempted to be perfect in everything that I did. And I wasn't very competitive. I wouldn't say that I always was more competitive with myself wanting to become better and better and better. I was an avid studier, and I had those imperfections that I knew I carried. So it created a wall between me and other people. I didn't want close relationships, I didn't want to let people and I remember one of my friends in college, she said, Chelsie, I just adore you. But there is something about you that, like you just got this wall. You don't want people to come inside, like you just you don't let people in. So and I think that was just because I didn't want her to see those hidden imperfections that I had, until I probably hit mid 20s. And then absolutely rebelled against everything. I started doing everything. I could. Oh, yeah, I wanted to prove love was on my own terms, right. So I wanted to make sure I was living my life to my standards and not the world standards. So I became quite a party animal with that. I think, you know, it probably wasn't even my mid 20s. It was probably really earlier than that, I would say I was before I was even 20 because I moved out of my home. And I realized, hey, this home these rules that I've been living under, like, they don't have a hold of me anymore. I don't have to abide by these rules, I can create my own rules. And there was just still this part of me that wanted to follow the rules. And I would had this, you know, imperfect side of me still. But I remember I was just like, I'm going to do everything, I'm going to try everything I'm going to rebel against everything that society says should be right and should be normal. And I want to learn from my own mistakes I want to create, I want to figure out how to create my own life. So my mom says it was like this period of me finding myself, you know, because that's, that's exactly what I was doing. I wanted to figure out what it is, what do I want from my life? I'm tired of being told what to do.

Lori Saitz 8:41

And so so you started partying, and but what else did that take on? Like, how did that? Was that something then that was a stage that you went through? Or do you? Did you move more into adulthood with Okay, I don't have to follow rules, I'm going to write my own.

Chelsie Ward 9:00

I think it was probably more than more of a stage. I think I learned a lot during that period of time. I learned that it was okay to not be this perfect person that uh, that everybody that I thought that everybody thought I should be. But I really think that it was more about me just me learning that one pace. And I think that as I think back, I think that a lot of the same tendencies that I carried from childhood are still things that I ended up having to work through as an adult because as you're going through that party stage and you're really just trying to rebel, you're not fixing anything. You're just like you're headstrong on something else is like I have to try something else. What I've been doing my whole life is not working. So I was headstrong in that. But I realized even in my mid 20s I was like I'm still broke, I'm still a broken person. I still haven't fixed a lot of those tendencies, that perfectionism. And when you get stressed all those things, they rear their ugly head as you get older,

yeah, I, you know, in the early 20s, a lot of us are out, trying like figuring out who we are and trying on different personas and exploring. But we're not, we're more in that rebellious stage, like you said, and it's more of a breaking out into a freedom of being a young adult not having to live under somebody else's rules, being able to make our own choices and decisions. But that doesn't mean that we figure out who we really are.

Right? Yeah, and I think it was probably more into my mid 20s, when that finally happened to me, and I started really trying to discover like, okay, like, Who am I, at my core? Like, what, who is the person that I really want to be? I think that, that younger 20s was probably just rebellion?

Sure, sure. No, in our call before this interview, we talked about moving from chaos to freedom. Talk a little bit more about how you found your way to doing that. Like true freedom, not just freedom from living under your parents house.

Yeah, exactly. So I remember, I remember being told by someone that I had a great relationship with that I loved dearly, they loved me dearly. And I remember being told that I would have a good life, but it wouldn't be necessarily this fantastic life. That it basically they were saying that it would be a mediocre life. And I remember how bad that stung. I was in my mid 20s. And I never responded to this person directly. But it lit a fire in me. That just burned me to my core. And I knew at that moment that my life had been very chaotic, very chaotic, but more my mind. And I realized at that moment that I had to make a decision. And I could make a decision then that that it was a choice to allow all of these things to take over. And I really started studying mindset a lot. I started studying like, wow, are we the way that we are? Why do we carry certain tendencies and traits, I started looking at my family and I started saying, I don't like this, I don't like that. I don't want this, I don't want that I carry those same tendencies. And I don't want it to be a part of my life anymore. And I think that's what's really hard is a lot of those things were taught without even like, maybe our parents or grandparents or our family members teaching us those things, or those that were closest to, we're taught those things, but we just kind of accept them as our norm and as our reality. And I remember being in my 20s, and I got a job offer in South Alabama, which was a way from the area I grew up in. And my husband and I had a talk and decided that we would take the next best opportunity in life. And we did we we jumped on that and we ran with that. And to me, that was kind of the moment of transformation, when everything really started taking place for me when things started to move, because I said, I'm really going to make a decision in my life that I don't want to live this crazy life anymore. I don't want to be perfect. I want to be able to set clear boundaries, I want to learn who I am at my core. I want to be driven by those things and not driven by my past. And that's when I went on a mission. And I started listening to everything that I could about mindset about you know how our mind is just in this constant chaos, constant struggle. And I was getting physically sick and my body of course, because of the things that were thing, you know, said to me as a child, I accepted those as my norm and I was at my sickest point at this time in my life. But I think it was that transformation in my mind that actually allowed me to start healing in my physical body. Because I realized just that moment, as I listen to people say you can have anything you can believe for that that actually started to become my reality. And I realized, hey, maybe this is true. Maybe I can.

Yes, maybe you are not a victim of your, your past or your family history is what I wanted to say. You're not a victim of your family history. You don't have to follow that same path. What were specifically some of the resources? Do you remember any of them that had a really big impact on you?

You know, I wrote about a lot of these people I've written about a lot of these people on, I'm just trying to recall some of the people that I listened to, there were CDs that I would just literally like, burn out, this is the days of CDs, or I don't even know if CDs still really exist. Yeah, that, but I would just burn, I would burn out certain CDs, and I'm trying to think just like old, anytime someone would send me like CDs from a conference, or like, people just, you know, talking, it would be more on just, and I know, it wasn't Bob Proctor that I listened to, but it's kind of along his lines, you know, it's like the things that he teaches. And just, I really started using affirmations and things like that, as a part of me, what I wanted to do is change and kind of almost rewire my brain, you know, and I realized that I've been so and all this poison in my head for so long. And I believed it, you know, I believe that I was sick, I believe it had to be perfect. I believe that. I mean, I wasn't setting clear boundaries, I believed I had to give even if I didn't want to. And I had to rewire all of that. So that was really the goal of that time.

I love that you said rewiring the brain because I love talking about the fact that that's actually what we're doing. That's what was done. When we're children. Our brains are wired a certain way through beliefs and teachings. And we have the ability to rewire them. A lot of people don't realize that we have the ability to rewire our own brains and program them in a way that works for us for our best interest.

Yeah, we really do. And I think that's probably the thing that has taken me the farthest in my life. And the thing that I've probably stuck with the most as when I started realizing that, that it's a constant thing that you work on, you can't just like undo years and years and years of wiring from, you know, the time you were a small child, he didn't get to make the decisions about who you wanted to be. You know, it's kind of like you say it was almost wired into you like it's programmed into you. So there's a lot of years of unprogrammed thing, and that self talk can come back up, you know, that fear of criticism can come back up for me that fear that perfectionism can come back up. But it's constantly every morning just really programming that in and saying no, this is not who I am anymore. This is that broken child. This is not who I choose to be for the rest of my life.

Yeah, you know, it's the analogy that's coming to my mind is like walking on a path. So if there's a path that's already been cut through, you know that it's the all the grass is dead, there's just dirt there, there's a path. But you want to walk now on a different path. But you have to keep walking on that path to wear it down. So that it becomes the more the more popular way to go, let's say and let the other one let the weeds and the grass grow over the other one so that this better path becomes the one that you take all the time. But sometimes you're still like oh, maybe I'll still take that old path. Yes, I

can. Yeah, yeah. So what what practices Do you use now? on a regular basis? Do you have a morning routine? Or what is it that you do to keep those the the wiring the way you want it to be?

So I could not live without my morning routine. It is absolutely my time the world does not get to enter it. It is all me and it's all about me. And I think that I've just learned to wake up between 4:30 and five every morning and just have that time to myself. Some people can do a morning routine and 20 minutes and it's like nope, I need a couple hours or a few hours before the world ever enters into my space. So to me what that looks like is I make amazing organic coffee with reishi mushroom which is an adaptogen and it's just balances out my mood stabilizers my energy and then I really I read something for personal growth or leadership like that's that's usually what I'm working on. And a lot of times that studying human behavior that's so I can learn my behavior. I think that we really can grow them. I was done live when we're learning about ourselves. And then I listen to a recording. And it guides me through either affirmations, or some sort of hypnosis where someone is kind of, you know, speaking into me things, and I'm kind of repeating those things as an affirmation. So it's more of a hypnosis type experience. And then I'm usually doing that while I'm walking so I can get in some morning movement, because I'm kind of a multitasker. And then I may do breath work or meditation. So to me, affirmations and meditation are two different things. And we meditation is more of like a receiving. So I feel like if we can clear our head clear, our headspace and everything else, it's hard in the beginning to like really enter into that place of meditation. But once we realize that, if we just like clear the space and allow things to flow in, is sometimes where most of my creativity comes from, and guidance. And so I do that are usually some breath work, it really just depends on what I need breath work is actually work. So sometimes I feel like meditating. And then I reflect on my values, usually about once per week, I don't do that every day. But I think that our values, like when we know what we truly want in life, and what we want to contribute to the world, then that is that can actually help us come more alive as a person. And then I'll do some sort of journaling. So I actually put down journaling for a little while. And I realized that journaling really fuels me because it allows me to reflect back. So just yesterday, I reflected on a year ago, October 4, and yesterday was October 4. So like, I reflect back on those times, and I'm thinking, you know, what was I going through at this time in my life, and it's just so amazing to see the growth, or that I could be in a very similar place. So that's kind of a random thing that I do, though. And then I do some sort of movement. And that really depends on my energy level. Sometimes I was walking, sometimes yoga, sometimes weight training, and I just let my body kind of speak to me and tell me what it needs for the day and go with it.

Okay, so Chelsie, when we originally talked you had told me a story. So I want to take a step back here. And tell me the story of when you had you were working in the healthcare field. And you were nowhere close to healthful. And you started seeing things in your patients as well that caused that or inspired you to take a different turn in your career. Tell us about that.

Yeah, absolutely. This was literally the thing that changed my life, more than anything else. And it's it's impacted me more than anything else. And it gave me space to do what I'm doing today. So I was in nursing school, when things started to kind of go crazy in my health, probably the worst they had ever been, you know, you add a poor immune system, you add stress, you add, you know, just being in nursing school, long hours working, I'm doing clinicals and I'm in school. So my health really started to fail. And a lot of my teachers and even the doctors I was seeing told me, basically your labs are normal, everything looks fine. You know, we started investigating all these areas, but I had, you know, I still had the migraines, I was blacking out in class, I was depressed, I was anxious. My my stuff. I had irritable bowel syndrome. I was on all these medications, but I couldn't figure out well, why

how everything, nothing to see here.

Clearly not aware. Right? Clearly not normal. And that started me down a path to where I started doing a little bit of my own investigation kind of sneaking off and, you know, outside of what I had learned and in nursing school, and what I started noticing in my patients is that we had the very same story. And I thought oh my god, I'm sitting here taking care of all these people and I'm sick myself if I don't know how to get well then how am I going to help them get well. And we had the very same story and that was Hey, you know, we don't know what's going on with you. But medications your answer. If that doesn't work, then surgery is your answer. And I was just like, absolutely not. Like I'm in my 20s at this point, I'm refusing to live this life any longer.

So I started going and started studying more about just natural medicine, how food is medicine, how our bodies are so amazing. And they were actually created to heal themselves and started working on healing my body. Now as you know, started working on mindset years prior, you know, I was working to try to figure that piece of it out. But I think that where we make the mistake is we look at ourselves as either Oh, we have a physical ailment or We have a mental ailments and we never kind of marry the two. And we don't think about this mind body connection which is something that I really started to study. And I realized that my physical ailments were partially mental emotional and they were partially physical. But I realized that I could choose and that is really what took me into a different place with my health, and I ended up healing my body naturally 100%. I went on to study functional medicine I went on to study all the things that I knew I needed to be able to kind of really it was in a crowd I finally helped myself after all these years because it finally made sense to me. Hey, what is this root cause approach everyone's talking about? Shouldn’t we be worried about getting to the root cause instead of just putting a bandaid on it with a medication or a surgery and it just made so much sense to me so as I studied myself, I was actually educating myself so I can help other people. Little did I know I was going to use it to help other people.

But it started the career path that I'm on today and now lead others down the same path because the truth is, is I couldn't find a doctor I couldn't find anyone out there to help give me the answers that I was looking for. I literally had to go on this mission on my own. I felt alone I felt scared I felt unsure through the whole thing and I thought oh my god if this doesn't work then this is it. There's no there's nothing else for me I don't even know what to do. And the thing is, is it did it worked so I wanted to share that message with more

Yes, thank you it's so interesting to me that people tend to turn to functional medicine integrative medicine as a last resort after traditional medicine and surgery and medications don't work when it seems like it should be the other way around.

We're not taught that were taught that we just pick up everything from like like even the emotions and things from childhood the things that we learn and when we learn we learn to live off box food and macaroni and cheese and we expect it to give us life and it's just not how it works in the body starts to shut down and our doctors are like oh I'm sorry I don't really know what's going on and then they're going to give you a pill for blood sugar issues and hop in you know hypertension and cholesterol issues when it's the box macaroni that you're eating you know throw nobody ever asked about diet so then things are broken

Yes, this is the conversation that friends and I keep having over and over and over again about health in our and wellness in our in our world. I was gonna say our society but it's not just our country. But it is probably. People want to just take a pill and never pay no attention to what they're feeding themselves and when I say feeding, I mean physically feeding and mentally feeding themselves as if that has no effect on

So true and it's no disrespect to the medical industry I'm a trained in that and I believe that there's a time and place for it. My sister is a practicing nurse practitioner for cardiology she does an amazing job with her patients and when we have conversations it's kind of like well, you know, hey my patients don't want what you have to offer. They want me to fix their heart with the quickest Band Aid approach. They don't want to change their diet. They don't want to exercise. They don't want to do the things, right? So I think that we just have to choose, what do we want? Do we want to have fun? Or do we want to live fantastic. Like you get to choose right?

Yes, yes you get exactly you get to choose and you get to live with that choice the consequences or results of that choice or I mean consequences and result sounds like it's negative which sometimes it is but you also get to live with the benefits and the upside of those choices when they are for your highest absolutely

you just you got to decide which one you want. And I think we can have semi health I mean I think people are okay with a mediocre life not realizing that they can have better and mediocre is just what it is is mediocre and we're like I will I have a pretty good life. I mean everything's okay, it's fine. And we don't realize that we could have a freakin amazing life. We could live in vitality, we could live our dreams, we can fulfill our purpose and our mission and whatever our heart's desire like that is, gosh, doesn't that even sound more exciting than just like making it day to day.

So much more exciting and enticing and And, yes, the fact that I mean, I truly believe that that's how that's what we were born for. We weren't born to live a life of fine and mediocrity, we just get stuck there because we get programmed or conditioned or lulled into this sense of calm comfort in that place. And I mean comfort, where it may not be comfortable, you might be very physically uncomfortable or mentally uncomfortable, but you know that, like, you know what it's like to be there. Whereas leaving that space is uncomfortable, because it's the unknown, it's the change,

we were created to remain in safety. Yeah, and our brain back to the brain and the mind, you know, our brain wants to keep us in that place of safety, and anything that it'll do to keep us in what is known, because no one is safe, right? If we've entered too far from the pack, we might be eaten by a lion. So bait staying close to the pack is very safe, right? So the brain wants us close to the pack, it wants us to stay in a place of safety, that is survival. That is what is inbred and inborn into us. And anytime that we face change, yes, change is difficult. But change is what gives us the results. And we have to teach our brain that change is okay. That we're not living in these ancient times where we're in danger. If we experience a little bit of change, you know, the times have changed brain, you need to kick in, you need to get in gear and realize that, hey, we're in a different time and space. And I'm going to be all right.

Yeah, going back to what you were saying about rewiring, the brain rewiring it to recognize that change is good. Change is beneficial change is exciting. In fact, it was the brain actually doesn't know the difference. The body doesn't know the difference between fear and excitement, like it feels the same. So it's just a matter of which way do you look at it anxiety versus excitement. So rewiring your brain to to see anxiety as this is exciting, something amazing, happen. Absolutely.

And you can turn that fear and yet you can you can just turn the fear into excitement. I had a friend contact me other day and was like, I'm so nervous about a talk I'm about to give, and I'm like, it's the same emotion. Just shift it. You know, fear or excitement you choose? It feels the same. We get the stomach butterflies, we get the racing heart, we get the sweaty palms. All of that is the same experience. It is our interpretation of it, that gives us the ability to embrace it.

Yes, yeah. So where are you going from here? what's what's your next big?

Yeah, I am. I'm more I'm still working on a lot of things. I'll, I'll tell you that. And for me, it's all about personal growth. It's about continual growth. And the biggest things for me are, I want to make sure that I am number one, creating a life that I know is going to impact other people. I want to impact the lives of other people with the things that I've learned about myself, and just about human humans in general, you know, I want to let everybody know that through my story, I want them to use it as a story of hope and encouragement for what is possible for their own life. And I want to bring value to humans in general, those who want value, of course, and those who are willing to change those who are willing to step out and do something new and different. And I want people to be in the best shape of their lives physically, mentally, emotionally, all the things, because here's what I believe. If we're here, and we're living on this earth, we are here for a reason and a purpose and your purpose. Lori is different for my purpose. But you're here for a reason. And the work that you do is so impactful. Yeah, like look at the lives that you change by putting out a message of hope. Just across the airwaves. Every single day, people can listen to stories and messages of hope. Like this is you. You want people to realize you don't have to live a life, that's fine. You can have better. And I think that everybody has a purpose. Just like you have a purpose. Everybody has a purpose. My purpose is to make sure that people know that they can go from chaos to freedom and that they can make a bigger impact in the world. But The truth is, is that we cannot live that if we don't feel like it. So what is next for me is taking as many people as possible from feeling fine and feeling mediocre to living a life of health, living a life of vitality, living a life where they believe in themselves, because there is a dream that they have inside of them. Maybe it happened as a little girl. And maybe they really just thought, Well, probably maybe could never make that happen. But I want people to believe that that little seed can actually come alive and free and become a beautiful blossom. And I believe that I believe that without each of us, in our own little thing that we have to offer the world that the world can't be whole and I want to be an impact on the lives of other people from a physical and emotional health standpoint, that shows other people that their dreams are truly possible.

Hmm, yeah, that's a beautiful sentiment. Thank you. Before we go, I have the question of speaking of getting your vibration, increasing your vibration and your energy. What is the song that you listen to to get hyped up and boost your, boost your mood?

You might find it funny. My husband hates the song. And it's it's my song of the moment. So I just feel like it's appropriate for this time in it. Okay, it’s Pharrell Williams “Happy.” So it changes periodically. Yeah, it changes periodically. But you know what, I just feel like I don't want anybody entering into my space that's going to try to get me down. And I have to remind myself that sometimes it's just like, when you deal with the public, it's like you and you're, you're working with people and you're loving them, you sometimes can carry or bring about a ring on yourself the things that they're going through. And I need to just remember that my happy space is my happy space and I can keep it happy. And I just love that song. You know if I'm down I can just get up and I'm dancing and I'm doing whatever and it's so short sweet to the point

yes, I don't know anybody who can sit still listen to that song and sit still. No, you can't. Yeah, great, great song. Thank you, Chelsie. If people want to reach out to you and get in touch with you what's the best way to do that.

My website has links that you can shoot me a message you can shoot me an email website is Chelsie Ward com. My name is CHELSIEW ar d.com and you can email me through that is Chelsie at Chelsie Ward com. And if you want to connect, I have a lot of great tools that you know I can just share with you from today or just things that I'm doing and just to kind of help you go from that place of living that mediocre life to living that life of vitality.

Excellent. We'll put links in the show notes. Thank you so much for joining me today on Fine is a 4-Letter Word.

Thank you so much for having me, Lori

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