This episode dives deep into the heartfelt realm of animal communication with our special guest, Esther Lim. We explore how our beloved pets communicate with us, not just in life but also from beyond the Rainbow Bridge. Esther shares her own transformative journey, from being fearful of animals to becoming a skilled animal communicator, emphasizing that our furry friends possess a profound sentience. Together, we discuss the importance of being present with our pets, especially during times of grief, and how they often carry the emotional weight of their guardians. Join us for a warm and enlightening conversation filled with love, loss, and the beautiful connections we share with our four-legged companions.

Takeaways:

• Esther's journey into animal communication began unexpectedly, transforming her childhood fears into a deep love for animals.
• We discussed how animals are sentient beings that communicate with us, often showing us their love through their behaviors and actions.
• The importance of being present with our pets was emphasized, as our focus can significantly enhance our bond with them.
• Esther shared how grief can be transformed into understanding, allowing us to honor our beloved pets while celebrating their lives.
• We explored the idea that our furry friends often leave when they know we are okay, highlighting their instinct to protect our feelings.
• The conversation reiterated that animals communicate their needs and emotions non-verbally, reminding us to listen to our hearts and be open to their messages.

With huge love and thanks to Esther and all our beautiful guides.

To be in touch with Esther please email theharmonicgateway@gmail.com

You can also find her on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/theharmonicgateway

Wishing you a beautiful start to the year.

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Hello, gorgeous.

And a warm welcome to accepting.

I'm Eileen, your host, and in this beautiful episode, we're speaking with the wonderful Esther Lim, another incredible channel of animals.

So get yourself cozy, grab yourself a cup of tea.

And we're continuing honouring our beautiful sentient beings from the Rainbow Bridge into Green January.

So much love.

Thank you for having me.

It's.

It's such an honour that you're here.

First of all, I'd like to say because, as you know, my beautiful girl passed a few months ago and I really wanted to honour.

Here we go.

I really wanted to honour all our beautiful fur babies and beautiful sentient guides who love us from the Rainbow Bridge.

And you, my gorgeous, are an animal communicator.

And what best way to honor than have your beautiful presence here.

So thank you so much.

Thank you.

So I'd love to hear how.

How did it happen for you?

How did you first start feeling into animal communication?

Because I know you do.

You are so much more.

We're just simply talking about animal communication today.

So how did it all start for you?

Please.

I.

Well, I stumbled into it, actually, because I. I grew up in a family that had a lot of fear and misconception regarding animals.

So it was always that animals were not as sentient as humans or they were dangerous, they were unclean and stuff like that.

So I was always taught to keep my distance from animals.

So I did.

I did when I was young.

So I was that kid who ran screaming from a little Pomeranian.

I ran across a busy main road just because there was a little Pomeranian.

But one day there was a very special dog that came into my life that completely changed the way I felt about animals.

So she paved the way.

Taking care of her changed me fundamentally.

So she opened my heart to animals, to everything, actually, and she paved the way for them animals to come after that.

Wow.

It's so interesting because I've got my yogi tea here at the moment and, you know, you get little messages on them and I was thinking, why on earth have I got that message?

And the message was just a moment ago was your greatest enemy is your fear.

And that's so interesting that from childhood, because we're all completely.

Well, we're sponges when we're younger, aren't we?

And that's all we know.

So we fit in to whatever we're told and we believe whatever we're told.

Exactly.

I just would like to say, I've got Mr. G, one of my cats to my right.

Coco is just meowing at me over on the other side might have a little bit of activity here.

More than welcome.

The Pomeranian was actually just.

Just a dog on the street, Someone else's dog.

So I was.

No, no, I was a little kid at that point.

And then I. I was just walking past the Pomeranian.

I was screaming and.

And all that.

So that.

That stayed with me till now.

Yeah, running.

I was.

I think I was 4, and I was running across a busy main road.

I think I gave my parents a very big heart attack.

But.

So my first dog came into my life when I was about.

Eighteen, maybe seventeen.

Eighteen.

Around.

Yeah, around.

Somewhere around there.

I cannot remember exactly, but she changed the way I looked at animals, the way I took care of animals, and then she paved the way for the animals after that.

And so after her, I knew that I would always want dogs in my life.

I couldn't do without dogs in my life, so I didn't know animal communication then.

But I spoke to her every day, and I told her, if you think I'm ready and if you think that it is good for me, then can you please, please send another dog my way, Hopefully a miniature pinscher.

Because I wanted miniature pinschers.

And so that night that I spoke to her, the very next, the morning after that, someone called and asked if he was giving up a miniature pinscher and asked me if I wanted it.

So that was just few hours later.

I didn't sleep the whole night.

Early in the morning, someone asked, oh, there's this miniature pinscher who was terrorizing the other dog in the family.

And they needed to give up the dog immediately.

And I said, I'll come and get the dog.

And they told me, no, I'll bring the dog to you.

So tell me where you are, I'll bring the dog to you.

So I was so excited, I couldn't sleep.

And I was waiting for the.

For the dog to come.

So my dog came.

From the moment she came, it was like she recognized something, recognized me.

She didn't even turn to say bye to the previous guardian.

So we brought her home.

And then she kind of knew her way around the house.

And then I saw a picture of her little mate, her sister.

So we were saying, oh, how nice if we could have her too.

Because.

She was so cute.

So five days later, the guy texted that he wants to give up the sister.

Do we want.

So of course, of course they chose you.

That's so beautiful.

It was so nice.

But because they are miniature pinschers, and pinschers have a reputation for having a mind of their own.

So they were quite a handful when they were younger.

It was a bit chaotic.

So I don't know what I was thinking, having two pincher puppies.

Two puppies at the same time.

But I had a lot of fun.

But they were ripping off the laminates from the cabinets, ripping the doors, biting into the doors.

So we tried everything.

We put them in a playpen.

But she was so smart that she actually pulled her crate to use it as a stepping stone out of the playpen.

So I came home and she was on the couch with the TV on, food that she had picked out of the garbage beside her.

And then she was looking at me thinking why I took so long to come back.

So these were all the antics that they had.

That's so funny.

So it's like she sat on the sofa.

I'm watching my favorite program.

Grab yourself a snack.

Come and sit with me.

What took you so long?

You know, so, but we tried everything.

We tried training them at home, we tried, we bought books to, to work on them.

So what they did was they kept going to the bookshelf and pulled out only Cesar Milan's books, only his books.

They ripped it apart.

They were biting it, tearing it apart.

And then they turned to his picture and they peed on it.

So, I mean, you have to laugh, right?

I don't know the whole story about Cesar Millan.

I've heard that his ways are not liked by everybody.

So I'm guessing that's what that was about.

I would think so.

I didn't know, I didn't know at that point.

So someone lent me Cesar Milan's books and told me, you know, look into his, look into his books and see what you can do with your dogs.

So they pulled out his books, ripped them apart and peed on his head.

Heat on his head.

And it's not just one book every time.

So because it was a borrowed book.

So I, I, I was, of course, you know, more worried.

Right.

But they picked out all his books, just his books.

We brought them.

So I remember we brought them for an allergy test, bioresonance allergy test.

And the lady who was doing the test happened to be, happens to be one of Singapore's top animal communicator.

I think for a reason.

Yeah, So I actually, I actually knew her many, many years ago because of the very first dog.

We engaged her for a session with the very first dog and then we left it as that.

So now, many years later, we are back there and she, she was talking to us and we were Talking about the eating books and, and all.

So she was telling us to come for a class where she taught.

Well, I say animal communication, but she actually teaches something that she calls intercellular communication.

Okay, yeah.

So we, we learn to talk to the animal kingdom.

We learn to communicate with the plant kingdom, mineral kingdom, shamanism.

Exactly.

Yes, exactly.

So basically non, Non verbal communication with anything.

Yeah, so, yeah.

So it was.

And when was this?

How long ago was this?

Wow.

Okay, so now seven years later, and then what I.

What I absolutely love is you already knew the lady.

She was already introduced in your life, and then it took one of your little gorgeous darlings to go to the loo.

I just.

I just love all the synchronicity.

Yeah.

And this lady now is a very close friend of ours.

Gorgeous.

They only trust her to do sessions for them.

They don't want anyone else.

Yeah, yeah, I love this.

Just that because something came up really beautifully this morning because I was speaking to another incredible animal communicator.

I don't want to say animal communicator because we communicate with sentient beings.

So what happened with the conversation this morning with my friend in Sweden?

She said to me, the horses want to talk to you.

And so I met her horses, it was really gorgeous.

And there's one called Bassa who was.

Just.

Had his chin on.

On her head.

And I said, I've been told to be quiet and listen.

And he showed me galloping.

A black stallion galloping.

I mean, I know obviously we're coming up for the year of the horse, etc.

That didn't even come into it.

It would show me a black stallion galloping.

And then, and then he said to me, you need to start standing up for us.

You need to start.

Get on your soapbox and start standing up first.

Because I actually just mentioned how as I've been more and more with my values and my beliefs, I've been shown campaigns for.

I didn't know there was an EU legislation that they were going to ban animal care, you know, ban the cages for hens and, and all of.

All right, Coco, is she here?

Yeah, she is.

Okay.

She's here, isn't she?

Hi, Mims.

And what's so beautiful, I'm going to say what my family member said earlier is Cleo was sitting on her lap.

And what I love about this is they have completely accepted who I am.

There's no way 10 years ago or so that I would have a conversation with my family member about A past furry member.

And they would say, oh, she was sat on my lap.

What this has allowed us to do is to be completely open hearted and be really, really honest.

And today I'm doing my 22 day process.

Here she comes.

You coming up?

Come on then.

Say hi to Esther.

No, she's pacing now.

What would you like?

You want to go outside?

I think she.

I'm gonna, we're gonna go outside under the tree.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

We're going outside under the tree.

Cleo's already there because the medicine wheel is still open at the moment.

I didn't close it earlier, so.

So that's why you're supposed to be outside.

Yeah.

Here we go.

Thank you for your patience.

I totally understand.

I mean, I was, I was trained.

By Min Pin, so it's not often that I move places and just go outside and stop in the middle.

It makes complete sense that we're talking together.

And the beautiful work that you offer in the world, this is happening.

So this is the tree of love.

I think you've seen me under here before.

There's a heart shape in the, in the tree.

And so, so let's go back to where.

Where you were introduced to your teacher.

Because our teachers arrive again when we're ready, don't they?

So you were obviously ready.

So.

Yeah.

So we went for an allergy test.

Brought them for an allergy test.

And the lady.

Yeah.

Happened to be an animal communicator or who helped classes, so.

Well, she told us to come for the class.

Yeah.

So we went and it was, it was like stepping into a whole new world for me.

I was fascinated.

I was excited.

It was, I couldn't get enough of it.

The idea that we could communicate with them on such a level or the idea that the different behaviors and actions and all that, there is a deeper meaning behind that.

And even to understand the bond and the relationship between us and our animals, one of the very first things that I learned there was that we are not their owners, we are their guardians with their caretakers.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I loved it.

I loved it.

Yeah.

So I, I really enjoyed that because it was very heart based, gorgeous.

And so from then, because you mentioned earlier that it was, it was communicating with plants.

Intercellular.

Did you mention is it intercellular?

Yes, absolutely incredible.

Because.

And I said shamanism.

I'm remembering our conversation now.

So there's, it's so interesting because we, you know, we put labels on this, this and this.

And how similar so many, I suppose, traditions are, if you like, because shamanism is that day zero.

Shamanism is nature.

And it's so interesting because I've been really feeling more and more and more when Cleo was here.

I mean, she was my world.

She still is my world.

A lot of what I, what I was able to do, if you like, revolved around Cleo and I was told that she left so I could get on with it and various other things as well.

And what I'm really feeling at the moment is how we've all had quite a year and it's almost.

So we, we're on the, the, the nine year.

So we're on a nine year cycle.

It's our end of our nine year cycle and how things are really changing all of a sudden.

We've just come through the equinox and obviously we know how important it is to, to have shade and light.

And then it feels like just coming through this equinox and this incredible new moon energy as well.

It's like we've just suddenly got clarity.

It's like, oh, okay.

Because I actually, you know, everybody's saying, actually I have been shedding skins.

I have been with the wood snake because for me to enter into the year of the Horse, I've got to be ready, you know, I've got to be ready to forge forward.

And these extra layers aren't helping anybody, especially myself.

I'm feeling that too.

Yeah.

Even on my end.

Yeah.

I love the tree, by the way.

Yeah, she, he, she, she is incredible.

All the, well, they are incredible, all of the trees.

So the olive tree.

So I'm actually in my medicine wheel as well.

So where I am at the moment.

And my message all the time is just go out in nature.

So after you trained, did all the, did people start getting in touch with you and saying, my, my beautiful boy, my beautiful girl needs some help.

How did it all start happening?

Were they all just ready for you?

No, I needed to be ready first.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because there was still a lot of doubts at that point after that, after the training.

And then there was the practice and a lot of inner work to be done to get to that level.

So was doing a lot of inner work.

I was actually also getting over the grief of losing my first dog as well.

So I was still grieving for her while loving my two new dogs.

What was her name?

What is her name?

Brownie.

Brownie, yeah, let's talk about Brownie because we are, we're honoring our gorgeous guides from the other side.

So yeah, let's talk about Brownie.

Brownie was the one who passed, the very first one who opened my heart to dogs, two animals, and then my two girls.

So the first one who came was Hershey.

Hershey.

Okay.

And then her sister is Kimmy.

Right.

I think you can see the picture behind me.

Right, so.

Oh, wow.

I can feel them.

They're amazing.

Give that as a gift to, to us.

How beautiful.

So beautiful.

So you were grieving Brownie, and you went, yeah.

Learning to love again.

Yeah.

So are you okay to speak a little bit about your experience or would you prefer not to?

Okay, so about, you mean about Brownie or.

Yeah, about Brownie and Because you mentioned that you were going through grief.

Yeah.

And what I, what I, it feels like I've been speaking to you all day, and obviously you don't know that.

I got a message this morning about turning grief into understanding.

And this is what I really feel is the whole Green December is about turning grief into, into understanding.

And if anybody is listening out there and this is helping them, this is what this is all about.

And I was speaking with somebody this morning as well, and what started coming up was I shared how the sun's come out now.

I shared how when I was in my.

I went into my Akashic records, and when I was coming out, their last sentence was, please stop grieving me, Mum.

And that was a couple of weeks ago.

And then it was almost like, right, okay, well, I need to stop grieving you.

How does that look like?

And I didn't know how it looked.

So it's like, okay, well, I can't do this.

I can't do that.

Maybe don't do this.

Maybe don't do this.

And it's the complete opposite.

It's just allowing our bodies to do what our bodies need to do.

Yes.

Yes.

Isn't it?

I mean, I, I spoke about this in one of the episodes because I was, I did an episode not immediately after she passed, and it was just allowing and listening to my body.

And would you say that's what our beautiful sentient guides us with?

They help us to connect with ourselves as well as, obviously, nature.

They help us to, to realize what's going on, you know, with us before we even realize it.

I, I, I feel, yeah, so far, with all the animals who have passed, I have been there at that point, even families, family members, animals.

So.

But I would say they taught me a lot about how to see death.

Yeah.

How to approach death, how to, well, how to learn to let go, I would say, because.

So with Brownie, she had, well, she was old.

She was 15 by then, so she had kidney failure.

And for me, I wanted to prolong her life.

So we were doing everything that we could, you know, up to the end when, you know, she was.

She really wasn't doing well.

And the vet was saying if she doesn't go within the next few days, you might have to consider, you know, helping her.

So I remember on her last night, I was staying up throughout the night injecting stuff into her catheter every hour just to prolong her life.

And then at one point, she had.

She started having seizures.

And that changed me because I looked at her having seizures and I didn't want her to suffer.

No.

Yeah.

So that something shifted.

And then I told her, if you really need to go and you are in pain and you're suffering, then please go.

I told her, I have an appointment for you at the vet first thing in the morning.

And so she's supposed to see you about 10 in the morning.

So if you want to hold on to them, you can.

If you are really suffering, then you have to go.

Please do.

So the next morning, on the way there, we entered the highway and there was a jam.

Really bad jam.

The moment I said, oh, no, there's a jam, she started to leave.

So she.

I mean, she didn't suffer.

I mean, I didn't want her to suffer any longer.

So.

Yeah.

And after her, there was another dog.

That.

We put to sleep because she had lymphoma and she wasn't eating, wasn't.

You know, she asked for help.

And that was another lesson for me as well, learning to.

Because previously I had this idea that I don't want to play God.

I don't want to.

Who am I to decide when to end life?

You know?

And then I struggled with that a lot, but then I really didn't want her to suffer, and she asked for help, so brought her to the van.

It was the most peaceful transition I've seen.

So that.

That gave me a bit of relief.

It was the most peaceful.

Did she pass on her own?

We brought her to the vet to put her to sleep.

You did take her to the vet?

Okay.

Well, that's gorgeous.

That's very beautiful to hear.

Yeah.

No, I understand that you.

I didn't know if the vet came to you or you went to the vet.

Okay.

We went to the vet because I had this dream.

I had the.

The idea that when I knew she was going, I knew I received a message in July, and then I had a little chat with her, and I said, can you, can you stay until you're 19?

Because I wanted her to be here for my 50th birthday and I.

Exactly what you're saying now.

I, I've been feeling that so much at the moment.

I was driving in the car the other day and this, this notion just came in, you know, if I was going to die now, how would I feel about it?

Yeah, okay, yeah, fine, if that's how it's supposed to be.

And then it's like, well, why, why are you so worried that Cleo left too early?

And I was like, oh, okay.

And then very beautifully this morning as well, it came up again.

You know that our gorgeous sentient guides have free will and I'm a huge believer.

We have an arrival date and we have a departure date.

And I was told because the way it happened with Cleo wasn't how I wished it to happen.

I've already spoken about it a couple of times on other episodes.

I had the dream that the vet would come, all of us would be sitting around, we'd have her favorite music on, it would be very beautiful.

It didn't happen that way.

So if there's anybody listening and they're feeling that, oh, well, I should have done it this way, I should have done it this way.

It couldn't have happened any other way.

And I got the most beautiful message this morning as well.

I was working with Stolas, you know, Stolas with the Goetia, and she helps with removing pain and giving us answers.

And one of the, one of the answers that I didn't realize I'd been asking was just go out as yourself.

Don't worry about how you're feeling.

Once you've been out into the world, just turn up as yourself and everything will be absolutely fine.

And then the other answer was, every single sentient being in the animal kingdom is absolutely fine.

They absolutely adore you.

There is guilt because it's so funny with all the work that we do and we work on not having guilt and then all I've had about this is guilt.

It's like guilt is the worst emotion.

It's a con, you know, it's a controller.

So it's been really interesting that that has come up for me.

And I've been feeling, well, why has that come up for me?

Because I've done so much work on that already and it's as if speaking in the present, it was as if that for us to get through to the end of our nine year cycle, I'm talking about as A collective.

We've all had to go through something, whatever that is, whether that's loss of who we were before, loss of a relationship, loss of dear loved ones.

There's something that's had to happen to leave that gap and leave that space so we can step into and accept actually who we are.

And I'm getting on my soapbox again here, so would you like to talk a little bit about that?

So, well, just to add on.

So after our animals pass, they don't hold any blame.

They don't hold any.

You know, a lot of times people ask, should I have done something differently?

What if I was there?

I wish I was there.

You know, sometimes they.

They are not there because the animals choose to leave when their guardians are not there, because sometimes they know that their guardians cannot take it.

So then there will be guilt.

Did I bring her to the right vet?

Did I do the right procedure?

Should I have done more?

Should I not have done this?

Should I have stayed home?

And so with all the guilt and all that, the thing that I find with all animals, it's always just love after that.

There's no guilt.

There's no blame.

There's no.

They're just thankful for the life that they had.

Yeah.

You know, and it's always, don't.

Don't remember me as I was passing.

Remember who I was, celebrate who I was, celebrate the life that I had.

Yeah.

And I think, yeah, it is.

It was so.

With.

With Brownie, it was the same.

So I was grieving her while having Hershey and Kimi.

And so I used to talk to her a lot.

And then one day I heard her saying, to focus on the living, you know, not to focus on the dead, but to focus on the living.

And then she said.

She said something to me that there will be people who will come up to me who need help with animals who have left.

And you have to tell them this.

She said.

She told me a part of her lives on in every animal that I love and care for from now on.

Because whatever I've learned through taking care of her, whether it's medically and everything, shaped my experience with all other animals, whether they are my own or not.

So she said, that's how I live on.

That's how she lives on.

And she told me, you have to tell people that.

I love that so much.

That's exactly what Cleo said to me, that I'm in your heart.

I'm everything that you do.

I'm in the service that you offer.

Because she's Been there when I've been in Akashic sessions, she's on my lap.

We've been in group sessions together.

She's everywhere.

She's always there.

And I love that so much.

And the, the confirmation and the validation that, and thank you for saying that because that's exactly what I received as well.

And some people could say, oh, it's a bit of a cliche, oh, she's always with you and she's in your heart, actually.

She is, she is.

And yeah, well, what, what she made me realize was that from, from then on, every animal that I, I interacted with, there's a part of her in it because of all the experience that I have had when I do something, when I know how to, to take care of an animal a certain way, it's because I was taught that with Brownie.

Yeah.

So, so she was saying, so that's how I live on.

And so till this day, she shapes a lot of things that I do when, when there are major decisions to be made.

I feel her around.

I see, I see signs of her.

So there would be maybe a car passing by with the number plate, which is her microchip number, for example, her license number, stuff like that.

And sometimes I could feel her, I feel her actually physically.

It's like a physical presence, you know, and her settling on me.

And that's beautiful because one of the things I wanted to ask you about was how do they communicate with us?

And you've just answered my question before.

And I, I imagine they all communicate in, in their own separate ways.

Then I know Cleo hasn't left the.

When, when I brought her back after the vets, the vet that I'd never met before trying to tell me that I couldn't take my baby Cleo out to the clinic.

I don't think so.

So I brought her back and that's when it felt like that was her passing because we were all there.

I, I, she was on, was on my goatia mat.

I, I wrapped her in, in white cotton.

I chose the flowers from the garden.

She was on her special pillow and, and, and when she came back, at first I put her in the chair just gently I brought her back in the basket and I open up the basket and instead of taking her out immediately, I just let all the fur family come along and just acknowledge before I took her out.

And Tigre was out, was outside here, there's five trees in the garden.

He wouldn't, he wasn't coming in, he didn't come in all day.

Before I took her to the vet.

And when I came back, he was lying outside still, and he came in and he just went up, went around her.

Her basket.

And then when I put her up on the chair, just to be comfortable, he jumped up on the chair and gave her a little kiss.

It was so beautiful.

So beautiful.

And this is what I would like to ask as well.

So we know that they're here, and we know that cats, for example, have their paws in both worlds.

So when they pass and although we can feel them and we've got.

We're all.

When I say we, I'm talking about the fur family.

So when we're all working out our place again, can our other fur family members still see them and do?

Yeah.

So what they're picking up then?

So when they're processing grief, that's our grief that they're processing and theirs too, also.

Yeah, yeah.

And how.

How do we know what signs.

What signs do they let us know?

I mean, I know obviously they can be out of character or they can do very obvious things that.

To say to us.

We're not.

Okay, I need some help here.

What are.

What would you say to people listening are very gentle signs.

How.

How do our fur babies communicate with us?

They might.

Yes.

No, no, please.

Well, they might be more vocal.

Yeah.

Or they might retreat.

They might retreat even more.

If there are more than one animal in the.

In the family, then they have to now recalibrate the hierarchy again.

Right.

They would.

They might be more clingy, overprotective.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, So I. I have seen.

I.

They do.

They do sense and see the energies of the animal who have.

Who has passed.

Yeah.

I've actually watched animals react to the animal who has passed.

I have watched animals becoming better behaved because they were told to do so.

You know, behave yourself or else.

So I've seen that.

It's.

It's very nice, actually, to.

To watch that.

But they do need the support as well, because they're processing grief on both levels, their own and.

And.

And ours and.

And so on.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, because I have.

Mine have all been on my bed.

All been on my bed.

I mean, they always were before anyway.

I mean, even more so Coco, who is.

Well, she's now the eldest of them all.

She is inside a lot more.

She's a lot closer, and bless her, the other day she bit a friend of mine, which she wouldn't normally do, and then another family member was holding her like this, and I.

Well, I didn't see it.

I was In, I was elsewhere and I just heard this and I went out and Coco had just got, it just got a little bit too much and she put her claws into my family member's face and, and it was just her way of saying, this is too close.

I just need, I need some space.

So how can we communicate?

So, for example, I can feel that and other people can feel that.

If we're with family members or people in the house who don't quite understand that, how can we communicate to them?

Well, this is what's happening.

They need a little bit of space.

How, how can we communicate that?

Because not everybody is going to believe that their pets, and I say pets because people call them pets.

Our guardian, our guides are grieving.

Not everybody is going to believe that because I'm not saying everybody.

Lots of people think, oh, it's just an animal.

They just get on with it.

You know, they used to change.

They go to a different home and they're fine.

After two weeks it's to going to be exactly the same.

It's not.

We know that.

No.

So how do we, how do we communicate that?

So, for example, if they're playing up a little bit, not that we think they're playing up, if they're doing things a little bit out of character and there are members in the family who are getting, or in the household who are getting annoyed about this, how do we communicate?

Because obviously we know if somebody's angry, that is not going to help the situation.

So how do we communicate to people who may not quite understand?

And I don't know why I'm asking this, but I am.

Somebody out there needs to hear this.

Well, I don't know.

I mean, I, I, I just say it as it is.

I have been blessed that the people around me do understand that, but normally what I would tell them is, well, that they are grieving and they are more sensitive at the moment.

So to just leave them be.

It's fine if you don't acknowledge them and all.

And this is because I have been trained by my dog, so they don't like much interaction with strangers.

So I always have to tell people when they come over, just leave them be.

They will come to you if they want, but you don't, you don't really have to engage them, you know, and just, just, just leave them as they are.

I will tell them that they're more sensitive at the moment.

Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful advice.

For some reason it just came up because somebody who listens to this, who, who will, who well, as we're speaking, they're listening.

Who is listening to this?

Needs a little bit of help there.

It's not me, it's somebody else.

Because what happens.

And the same with you.

I get messages to.

To ask questions.

Yes.

So as much as I'm sharing my experience, because I've been told to share my experience because it's going to help somebody, I'm also getting questions.

I like to say that they are sensitive.

I. I think that that covers a lot of ground saying that they're sensitive.

Yeah, exactly.

They're sensitive.

They're sensitive at the moment, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If they ask more and then I will explain.

But yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.

No.

That's.

That's really beautiful.

And how you've already said how gorgeously with Brownie she was communicating with you like the number plate was her microchip.

Yes, yes.

How would, how are other ways.

How have you seen in.

In your experience so far?

Oh, it's starting to rain again.

Didn't cleanse.

Yeah.

So.

So in terms of when, I would just love to know your experiences.

If there's anything that you would like to share.

I mean, you've already shared about.

You watched.

You had the honor of watching other sentient beings feeling the past loved ones being present.

So, for example, when we were speaking earlier and you said, cleo's here, and I really felt she was there.

She used to tell them all off.

She used to tell them all off.

So it's really funny that you're saying about how they start behaving.

They do, yeah.

She was the matriarch and she would like.

And she did, you know, she'd let them know.

So is there anything else that you've experienced which has been without words that other people would say, oh, you've got to see this to believe it.

Is there anything that you've experienced that you would like to share?

Because many people will think we're just talking a load of old rubbish.

Scent smells, for one.

Yeah.

So.

Or sometimes it would be like bells.

I would hear bells.

Sometimes there are instances.

High pitched.

Do you mean high pitched in the ears tinkling?

Yes, but there are no bells around.

But I do hear it sometimes.

Or I actually see a silhouette of a little dog sometimes who follows me, sometimes when I'm washing the dishes and then the doctor.

Just amazing.

Most of the time it's when the brain is occupied doing mundane stuff, you know, when you're not.

So.

Yeah, so sometimes it is when you see certain things that remind you of them or if you are thinking of your dog who was a golden retriever, for example, and then suddenly a bunch of golden retrievers walk by, then that is your dog sending a message or something comes up with your dog's name, whether it's on tv.

Music.

Yeah.

Sometimes it is music as well.

So certain songs, if you used to sing it to your dog or cats or used to play it for them and it comes on randomly, that would be a sign as well.

Yeah.

Gorgeous.

So it's the similar situations when we feel.

I mean, when we feel our loved ones around us.

I'm not going to apologize for this because I see.

I constantly see Cleo everywhere.

And I remember being told before, you know, with Christos, he mentioned before how we can see memories.

And I don't think this is memories.

I'm pretty sure it's her that, you know, there could be.

I mean, I drove in, into the drive the other day and there's no way that it could have been any of the other cats.

There was a white cat just outside as I drove in, just outside in the front garden, just going underneath the bush that she used to like.

And I.

And I thought, I'm just gonna.

I know I'm in grief, so I could be making this up.

So I just checked where they all were and there's only one other white cat that it could have been.

And they were nowhere near.

Nowhere near.

It was her.

It was her.

Sorry.

That's it.

I believe so, yes.

Yeah.

No, absolutely.

I mean, this is very, very new for me.

I have experienced loss.

I've experienced, you know, guardians from when I was.

Was growing up and it wasn't until I was in my 30s that I had my own guardians and we came to Spain together and I came with Cleo and her sister Ella, and Ella went missing.

So I didn't get to say goodbye.

So I experienced the grief like I never saw her again.

She went missing.

I know what happened.

And the.

A couple of.

A couple of days later, Cleo went missing as well.

Two weeks.

She was gone for two weeks.

And I thought that was it.

Somebody had put a shoe box on my front door with two kittens in it.

And I was moving home, moving somewhere else.

And my neighbour phoned me and said, cleo's here.

After two weeks she came out and I think she was locked in somewhere.

I was going everywhere looking for her.

It was almost as if she went.

She's going, I've got to get out of here.

She's going to be stuff.

Yeah.

And that, I mean, that that was heartbreaking enough that, you know, that she wasn't there.

And she guided me through, through so much.

I mean, I was drinking alcohol then, so I was numbing everything anyway, you know, that that was my coping mechanism.

So now I don't drink alcohol.

I don't have any vices, as it were, and I'm feeling absolutely everything.

And I was speaking to the beautiful lady, obviously you're a beautiful lady as well.

Speaking to the beautiful lady this morning.

And I said to her, you know, there's empaths and then there's us.

Because I just feel.

And I know you do as well.

I just feel so, so much.

So I just think it's really beautiful to have really honest conversations with people.

And if you feel.

To come and speak to you, for example, you can speak to people's loved ones who've passed.

That's beautiful.

That's so beautiful.

So to offer that, absolutely gorgeous.

And so if you're feeling anything like that, you're getting a message, yes, I need to speak to this person or I'm feeling.

To call that person.

Go with that.

Absolutely, go with that.

Because look what happened with you.

You know, you went to the allergen test and they're always communicating with us, aren't they?

They're always communicating with us.

So, yeah, thank you so much.

I'm going to put all your details down so people can get in touch with you as well.

I know we had a list of questions to go through and it's gone.

Today has been like this, and I'm accepting that.

And thank you for going with me with this.

Today has been a real.

My.

My conscious cocooning process.

Today is.

I am honest and it almost feels like I'm having conversations so people can hear my process with you.

That will help them, if that makes sense.

I've been told it was quiet from.

Yeah, I've been told to be quiet because there's something coming in for you to say.

So I'm just going to zip it.

Is there?

Well, it was the same for me.

I had everything set up, you know, the laptop set up all prepared.

And then, you know, you know what happened.

So, yeah, absolutely nothing is going according to plan.

And then that has been the energy for the whole week.

Yeah, for me.

I love that.

It's been for me as well.

And yesterday being the 22nd of December, I was in.

I was in the medicine wheel saying thank you to the sun rising.

Then I was in my new moon bath.

And then everything kind of.

Everything clicked into place.

But not how I expected it to.

And it's about not having expectations, isn't it?

And, and I feel so much the main message that our beautiful sentient guides is just like let them go is that, let them, let them go without guilt and just feel the love that they've left and that's it.

And to celebrate their life.

Yeah, yeah.

To feel the love and celebrate their life.

Absolutely.

And to look at videos and photographs and remember and not.

Not talk about them.

I think what's been so beautiful for, for me with this experience is because I was on my own for four and a half months and then the.

There's people in the house again.

I was communicating by phone, everything.

So people weren't, you know, people can feel a bit uncomfortable, can't they?

So they were experiencing what they were okay with experiencing.

And then now they've returned to the house, they can be completely honest and open about what's happening.

And you know, there have been tears.

I've cried every day and I probably, probably will cry every day.

It's just my releasing and for my family member to say to me, Cleo's been sat on my lap.

That's beautiful.

That's really beautiful.

Yes.

Really nice.

It's very nice that they acknowledge.

Yeah.

It's like.

Yeah, yeah.

And I feel, and I spoke about this before, it might have been this morning, it may have been just a moment ago.

It's when we really connect with our values and our beliefs and we're really honest and truthful about who we are.

You know, there's no space for anybody to feel uncomfortable because we're just being.

Yeah.

We're just being authentic.

And I know that's banded around authentic so many times.

That is how animal communication is actually.

It's all about returning to the heart.

Yeah.

You know, because I feel that the secret language of animals is actually the secret language of our hearts.

I love that.

Of going back to heart based coherence, you know, and that's where we meet them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's so beautiful because with all of the heart based work that I've been doing and so many of us have been doing, when we're really calm, we're in a grounded space.

I eat nature, heart, Earth.

That that's where the communication is.

It's just.

Yeah.

Completely heart based.

And Cleo would always lie on me across here.

She'd lie across my heart and be there.

It's like nose to nose and she would like.

She put her heart across my heart.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

I love it.

I Love it when they do that.

Yeah.

And you can feel their heartbeat against yours.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's beautiful.

Really beautiful.

What I would like to ask you is do.

Does nature, I mean, I'm in nature at the moment.

I'm constantly getting messages.

I would love to hear if there's a general collective message from the animal kingdom that they have for us.

To be present with them to especially our domesticated animals to.

If we want to improve that relationship or the bond that we have with them, our presence is all they need.

And our presence meaning away from distractions, away from phones.

Just spend.

Just spend five to ten minutes with them without our phones, without thinking about what we have to do next, thinking of what we haven't done.

I think that actually makes a big difference for them.

Beautiful.

And can I just share this?

Look who's just come up to say hello.

Oh, hello.

This is Meowy.

And as you were speaking, he's just come into the medicine wheel.

Yeah, we'll be present with you, sweetheart.

Okay.

Even.

Even on walks, really, because we see so often we are walking our dogs maybe, and then on the phone, we're not there with them.

We are not on the walk with them.

You know, with all my cats, I haven't been for a walk with them for a while.

Cuz Cleo, with her arthritis, she.

She couldn't go.

And when I was in France, it was so beautiful.

In July we would go out because it was just a few steps into the vineyards and she loved that.

And whenever I would put the video on to share it with anybody, she was okay with it because she knew that, you know, she's here to help me communicate with people and that's all right.

And then there was like a moment, you know.

Yeah, that's enough now.

Come on, let's go.

So thank you so much.

That's beautiful.

So be present, properly present.

Not with a phone like this, just the simp.

Just.

I mean, it's just simple.

Life rules really, isn't it?

And life.

I'm in nature at the moment.

And how Coco was saying earlier, go outside, mom, go outside.

Yeah, I've seen, I've seen dogs, you know, on their walks and they see something exciting, something that they want to share, share with their guardians and they turn, look at the guardian and the guardian's head is, you know, definitely see with either work or something, because life happens and.

Yeah.

And that connection is just, you know, not there.

Yeah.

Because then there's no regrets.

That was a big lesson for me because that was what Brownie told me don't, don't focus on the living so that you don't regret later.

Focus on the now so you don't regret later.

Because she knew how I was like she knew that I would regret the what ifs and stuff like that.

So she had to preempt me first and warn me first.

But yeah, do you, do you believe as well.

So for example that Cleo's last night she'd been lying on me after I'd had.

I'd had a back treatment and she was in for the.

But I put her on the sofa.

She was there.

We.

She was there with me.

We had beautiful, beautiful moments and she was just fell into me cuddling me and I thought, oh brilliant, she's okay now.

I was just watching a film with her just to cuddle up and watch a film and the TV went off and then all of a sudden she wasn't.

She didn't want to come on my lap because there was obviously something physically going on with her.

And this is.

I had a breakthrough about this today because my body was just trying to keep me calm and safe.

Safe.

I wasn't able to communicate with her necessarily.

I didn't know exactly what was going on and what had, what had been happening for me was.

Well, she.

I've known her for 70 years.

She's told me when she needs something, she's let me know what's wrong, why didn't I know?

And the message that I got was sometimes they won't let you know like you said earlier, they won't in terms of.

They pass on their own so as not to upset you.

Do you believe that Sometimes they don't let you know completely because they don't want you to panic, they don't want you to feel anxious, could be okay.

Yeah.

Because what my body did was I didn't have that connection with her that night.

The next day I had complete connection with her that night.

Throughout the night she was on different areas of the bed and we didn't have the normal connection that we would have.

And it wasn't until the morning when she really showed me signs and then I cleaned her up and then I had her on the bed all day and we were, you know, in and out with meditations and music and sleeping and just feeling.

Would you say if there's anybody that's listening and maybe this is for me to say for anybody that's listening, if you expect.

Experienced that and you feel, well, I was so close to them, why didn't I know, maybe you weren't supposed to know.

Well, when they leave, their first concern is always the question.

They always ask whether their guardian will be okay.

It's the first thing.

And I think the thing that they worry about the most is not about the fact that they're going to leave.

It's not about anything else, but more of whether their guardian would be okay, whether they would.

They know we would grieve and it's fine to tell them that we will grieve, but they want to know ultimately will be managed after they leave.

So if they do feel like.

If they feel so, they might try to stay on for as long as they can.

Yeah.

Until the physical body gives up.

But on our part, we don't want them to suffer, right?

No, absolutely.

No.

Yeah.

So we talk to them, we tell them that we will grieve, we will not be okay for a while, but eventually we will work towards it.

Eventually we will be okay.

And that is enough for them.

Sometimes the fact that you are saying that and you're trying, it's enough for them, but they do try to.

Try to not upset you in a way.

So animals who are leaving sometimes, if they know that you cannot take being.

There when they leave, they go on.

Their own and they try to spare you.

They do.

So sometimes people ask, I was there, the vet, the whole day.

How come.

How come she left in the five minutes that I was gone?

Yeah.

So I think.

Yeah, that what happened for me was I was given a distraction when she passed because I had a message saying, do you know this cat?

And it was one of our neighbor's cat.

They were away, bless him.

I looked after him for two weeks and I was with him.

And he was saying, he showed me the rainbow Bridge.

He was saying, I need to go now.

I really need to go.

And it wasn't my decision to make.

And he wasn't allowed in his house because of whatever reason.

He was an outside cat.

And I.

And I was just like, you need to be inside and be loved.

So he was with me and that was my distraction.

It was that when you haven't got time to grieve, you've got to look after this beautiful boy.

And then when he did go, it was a.

It was.

I knew that I just wanted to say this.

This is what felt so difficult for me.

I tried to say to the vet, he needs to go now.

He doesn't need an X ray.

He doesn't need to go.

The half an hour journey to another vet that has an X ray machine.

He needs to go now.

He wants to go.

And I said, and they're very welcome, the family, if they want to come here and help him pass here.

And I really struggled with this because it wasn't my decision to make, as much as I knew, and I expressed it.

It was not my decision to make.

And exactly what happened was I remember his little face when he was going into the vet's car, just looking at me.

And I gave.

I gave the vet the music that he likes.

And the.

There was a woman who was at the clinic who.

Who stayed with him with the music.

And he was there for an hour.

So he was spent sharing his love for an hour before he went to the other clinic, because the clinic he was being taken to was where Cleo passed, and I didn't want to go there.

And also, it.

It wasn't my.

It wasn't my responsibility.

And I say this.

I don't know why I'm telling you this.

And I say that it.

It was my responsibility to listen to him and give the messages.

It wasn't my responsibility to be accountable for whatever his family were doing, because that was their experience to have.

That's what I was told.

Really strong.

It's like, it's not your responsibility for the experience they're going to have, and they're going to go through whatever emotions they're going to go through.

So that was my distraction.

And then after this beautiful boy passed, then it was floodgates.

So, yeah, And I know Cleo was there.

I know.

I know he was brought as a distraction to, you know, to remind me, actually, you're here to help others as well.

You can grieve, but you're here to help others as well.

And then the horse this morning is like, yeah, speak up for us, please.

On you go.

Maybe that cat was here as an anchor, too, to anchor you for a bit after.

After Cleo left.

It would make sense because when.

When I first started working with the Djinn, I was downstairs in the house and I was working with the gin for the first time, and he was outside the window.

I'd never seen him before, that beautiful, charcoal gray smoky cat with these amazing amber eyes just looking at me.

So, yeah, I do think he was part of the gin, and I do think.

And I've got Meowy cuddling into me at the moment as well, so.

So thank you so much, my lovely.

It's still early for me, actually, by my standard.

Is it okay?

Yeah.

I mean, I.

It's so funny because.

Oh, wow.

The moon's up.

We.

I think we've actually gone into Sunset as well while I've been out.

So the fair all around me, the elements are all around me.

It's just been.

I mean, today has been incredible and unexpected.

I did not expect to have this conversation with you this way.

I thought we'd be half an hour, go through the questions, and then there we go.

I didn't expect to do a podcast.

I wouldn't have had the courage to do it last time.

Well, I mean, we just had a conversation, that's all.

Yeah, we did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's been really beautiful.

Thank you for your time and your love and all that you do and are in the world.

And I will leave your details so people can get in touch with you.

So thank you so much.

Thank you, too.

Thank you.