Just how "every dog has its day", every area of the market has its time in the lead, and how to emotionally deal.
Quote for the episode: "Goal statement: I better understand how to view my winners and how to view my losers." (01:37)
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Joseph Okaly:Hello, and welcome here to the next episode of this
Joseph Okaly:Raising Your Investment Mindset series. This series we're
Joseph Okaly:wanting to help you to reframe how you may view the scary
Joseph Okaly:unknown, that is investments, therefore be able to you know,
Joseph Okaly:utilize them in a more constructive way to better reach
Joseph Okaly:your goals and therefore make life more enjoyable. That would
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Joseph Okaly:really helps us reach the quite literally millions of other
Joseph Okaly:young families out there that are just like you.
Joseph Okaly:Last week, we discussed how our perceptions are based on what we
Joseph Okaly:hear and what we see. And when it comes to investments,
Joseph Okaly:Hollywood tends to only put out very negative ones, which can
Joseph Okaly:increase our uneasiness, decrease our likelihood of
Joseph Okaly:taking the steps we need to through investments or advice.
Joseph Okaly:So if you haven't checked out that episode, yet, you
Joseph Okaly:definitely want to do that soon.
Joseph Okaly:Today's episode is titled Winners and Losers Are
Joseph Okaly:Temporary, where we're going to cover just how like "every dog
Joseph Okaly:has its day", every area of the market tends to have its time in
Joseph Okaly:the lead, and how to emotionally make the most of that fact. The
Joseph Okaly:goal for today's episode, so what we've been saying is the if
Joseph Okaly:you can say this at the end of the episode, then you have
Joseph Okaly:succeeded statement is "I better understand how to view my
Joseph Okaly:winners and how to view my losers. So I better understand
Joseph Okaly:how to view my winners and to view my losers."
Joseph Okaly:Now horse racing is something that a lot of people enjoy. It
Joseph Okaly:is not at all my thing. Gambling in general is not something that
Joseph Okaly:I really partake in something that I find enjoyment in. That's
Joseph Okaly:just me, which I mean, as a financial advisor, that's
Joseph Okaly:probably a good thing. You don't probably want a financial
Joseph Okaly:advisor that loves gambling. But when it comes to the horse
Joseph Okaly:racing Triple Crown event, I always find myself somehow or
Joseph Okaly:another, you know, at least in front of a television for one or
Joseph Okaly:two of the races because I'm the weird one and most people like
Joseph Okaly:to actually watch this stuff. So let's say that I'm watching the,
Joseph Okaly:you know, second or third race in the Triple Crown series. I
Joseph Okaly:don't know what they're called but yeah, I know there's three
Joseph Okaly:of them. More times than not a horse that is the one that you
Joseph Okaly:know, won the prior round is most likely going to be the one
Joseph Okaly:that's the favorite for the next race. Right? You know, I mean,
Joseph Okaly:if they were faster than everybody last time, why
Joseph Okaly:wouldn't they be the fastest this time around, right? So it's
Joseph Okaly:logical for our minds to go in that way. If something worked
Joseph Okaly:for me last time, it's probably going to work for me the next
Joseph Okaly:time around, right? While logical, while very common
Joseph Okaly:sense, when it comes to investing this prebuilt human
Joseph Okaly:tendency winds up hurting us long term, many more times than
Joseph Okaly:it helps us. And as we've talked about before, there are all
Joseph Okaly:different areas of the market. There are large companies, small
Joseph Okaly:companies, US companies, foreign companies, growth companies,
Joseph Okaly:value companies, government bonds, high yield bonds, real
Joseph Okaly:estate. So each one of these areas tends to have times where
Joseph Okaly:it does really well and other times where it does poorly
Joseph Okaly:compared to the other areas of the market. Real estate is the
Joseph Okaly:most recent example of this that we just went through. In 2021
Joseph Okaly:the index went up over 45%. In 2020, it went down over 11%. So
Joseph Okaly:our human tendency would be after 2020 let's sell this, it
Joseph Okaly:went down 11%. Get me out of there, it went down, lost money.
Joseph Okaly:Let's try you know something else. That would be the normal
Joseph Okaly:logical human reaction, right? In 2021, though, it would have
Joseph Okaly:produced the exact opposite action, hey, this is the best
Joseph Okaly:area ever let me please put more money into real estate funds. So
Joseph Okaly:far this year, as of January 31, 2022, the real estate index is
Joseph Okaly:down around 6.5 percent. So as you can see, our pre built human
Joseph Okaly:tendency would have had us pull money out after it went down 12%
Joseph Okaly:or so in 2020. So what we would have missed out on going up 45%.
Joseph Okaly:But then that same tendency would have said oh wow, real
Joseph Okaly:estate's great again, let me put money back into it after 2021
Joseph Okaly:after it went up 45%, after we missed it, only to see it then
Joseph Okaly:decrease so far this year through the end of January in
Joseph Okaly:2022 by 6.5 percent.
Joseph Okaly:So we see the problem, right? It's pretty easy. It's pretty
Joseph Okaly:apparent. People tend to do the wrong thing because they're
Joseph Okaly:following what just happened thinking that what just happened
Joseph Okaly:is an indicator of what is going to happen next. Now, what's the
Joseph Okaly:solution, right? The first part of this is, in my opinion, and
Joseph Okaly:most opinions I've seen, is to try not to guess what's going to
Joseph Okaly:do well or not. So this is called market timing, trying to
Joseph Okaly:guess what areas we think are going to do well. There is no
Joseph Okaly:study that I've ever heard of or found that says, "This is anyhow
Joseph Okaly:plausible in the long term." I mean, if there was someone out
Joseph Okaly:there who guessed right every single time, every single year,
Joseph Okaly:I'm pretty sure that everybody's money would be with them by now,
Joseph Okaly:right? They are knowing what they're doing, if they guess,
Joseph Okaly:right, every single year. And the last one I've ever heard
Joseph Okaly:that said they could do this, I think was Bernie Madoff. And
Joseph Okaly:that didn't exactly work out too well. So I would be very, very
Joseph Okaly:skeptical about anybody out there who is saying that they
Joseph Okaly:can do that kind of thing.
Joseph Okaly:Winners and losers, when it comes to different areas of the
Joseph Okaly:market have been temporary when you look back at history.
Joseph Okaly:Emotionally though, selling something that just went up a
Joseph Okaly:bunch is not easy. So one thing to remember is that most returns
Joseph Okaly:are due to what area of the market, what box, so to speak,
Joseph Okaly:your fund may be in. So ABC large growth fund and DEF large
Joseph Okaly:growth fund will likely have similar returns very similar
Joseph Okaly:returns, just because they are in the same box, the same area
Joseph Okaly:of the market. This can sometimes help us remove that
Joseph Okaly:emotional attachment because it's not that we stumbled upon
Joseph Okaly:some magical mythical fund, it's we happen to be in the right
Joseph Okaly:broad area, the right box of the market, which probably just
Joseph Okaly:happened to do well in that particular year.
Joseph Okaly:So in our practical application of this, we do something called
Joseph Okaly:rebalancing. Rebalancing is basically taking the areas that
Joseph Okaly:did well, and selling them, and putting those funds into other
Joseph Okaly:areas that did not do well and buying them. This can be done on
Joseph Okaly:an annual basis, quarterly, monthly, even weekly, depending
Joseph Okaly:on the program. So for an example to kind of help us
Joseph Okaly:understand what this means, if large growth, that box, is
Joseph Okaly:supposed to be 10% of our portfolio, but it does so well
Joseph Okaly:compared to everything else that it goes up to 15% now, there's
Joseph Okaly:too much now in that piece. Rebalancing says, I sell that
Joseph Okaly:extra 5%, when it's high, and invest it into another area of
Joseph Okaly:the portfolio that is below where it is supposed to be when
Joseph Okaly:it's lower. Now, for most ordinary investors, this is not
Joseph Okaly:something I would recommend doing on your own, as you need
Joseph Okaly:to build out those ranges of how far different areas can stray
Joseph Okaly:and may be very, you know, difficult, and you have to be
Joseph Okaly:diligent about it. And you have to be emotionless about it when
Joseph Okaly:this is going on. And that's a tall task for anyone. If you saw
Joseph Okaly:in that same example, large growth did so well that now it's
Joseph Okaly:15% of the portfolio, human tendency says "Well, maybe it's
Joseph Okaly:going to go a little bit higher. Maybe it's going to go all the
Joseph Okaly:way up to 20% of the portfolio, I don't want to get out of it
Joseph Okaly:now." But that's the mentality where you know, you're not going
Joseph Okaly:to pull out of it until it starts going down. And that is
Joseph Okaly:when you kind of missed the high more times than not. So this
Joseph Okaly:rebalancing is what helps us do a diversified approach.
Joseph Okaly:So when we use an advisor who uses rebalancing, you know, they
Joseph Okaly:can help us with this. And obviously, that's my first
Joseph Okaly:choice, because I'm biased, I am an advisor, but if you're doing
Joseph Okaly:on your own, or through a work plan, or you're using an
Joseph Okaly:allocation or target date fund, you know, these are things that
Joseph Okaly:are built in when it's an allocation or target date fund.
Joseph Okaly:I would again not recommend somebody trying to manage
Joseph Okaly:individual pieces and do this rebalancing because you have to
Joseph Okaly:be again completely emotionless about it, you have to have the
Joseph Okaly:ranges set and as soon as it hits the ranges, boom, you're
Joseph Okaly:rebalancing. Or some plans allow you to do it automatically on an
Joseph Okaly:annual or quarter quarterly basis. So it needs to be
Joseph Okaly:something that's automated and if you're looking at it, and
Joseph Okaly:you're saying, "Oh, I'll remember to do it", you're not
Joseph Okaly:going to remember to do it. If you're going to say "I'm going
Joseph Okaly:to just wait for it to go a little bit higher", you're going
Joseph Okaly:to wind up missing those kinds of opportunities when it is
Joseph Okaly:high, and it's going to at some point start going down because
Joseph Okaly:most people won't want to sell it until they see it go down
Joseph Okaly:significantly. It's just it's just the truth of it. That's
Joseph Okaly:human nature. That's the emotional part. So when we have
Joseph Okaly:an advisor, where we have funds, like I said, the target date or
Joseph Okaly:the allocation funds where that manager is built in internally,
Joseph Okaly:now we're taking our emotions out of the equation. As we get
Joseph Okaly:to the end of this episode let's circle back around to the goal
Joseph Okaly:statement for today if you can now say "I better understand how
Joseph Okaly:to view my winners and my losers", then you have succeeded
Joseph Okaly:in the main takeaway from today.
Joseph Okaly:So thank you for tuning in today and join us for next week's
Joseph Okaly:episode called, We Can All Save Another $100 where we're going
Joseph Okaly:to cover just how powerful a little bit more, just a little
Joseph Okaly:bit more can be when we're young. Overall, if you're able
Joseph Okaly:to implement what we cover today, then that's fantastic.
Joseph Okaly:You have less to worry about that before and you can focus
Joseph Okaly:more just an enjoying life. That's the whole goal. If you're
Joseph Okaly:wanting help with these things, though, where you have questions
Joseph Okaly:you need help in clarifying, check out the ASK JOE section on
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Joseph Okaly:also connect with me directly by visiting my wealth management
Joseph Okaly:firm New Horizons Wealth Management at nhwmllc.com. Until
Joseph Okaly:next week, thanks for joining me today and I look forward to
Joseph Okaly:connecting with you all again soon.
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