Capitalism and exploitation are connected in several critical traditions, but those traditions do not all make the same argument. This episode examines Marx’s account of labor power and surplus value, workplace bargaining, and Byung-Chul Han’s critique of compulsive achievement. The discussion connects to economic inequality and the price of the American Dream by asking who controls production, who receives its benefits, and who carries its costs.
In Marx’s Capital, available through the Marxists Internet Archive, workers sell their labor power, or capacity to work, while employers control production and own the resulting product. Within Marx’s theory, workers can create more value during the working day than the value represented by their wages. He calls that excess surplus value.
That is a theoretical account of labor exploitation under capitalism. It should not be reduced to the claim that every profitable transaction is illegal or that all economists accept Marx’s explanation of value. The discussion turns on ownership, the organization of production, and the distribution of the value created. A workplace may comply with wage law while still raising broader questions about bargaining power and fairness.
The episode invites listeners to examine how much choice workers actually have in practice. A contract can be formally voluntary while the parties have very different alternatives. The useful questions are concrete: can workers refuse unsafe conditions, change employers, negotiate schedules, or share in the gains from higher output?
These questions connect to Wage Stagnation and the Purpose of the Corporation. They also reach beyond the workplace. Oxfam’s Time to Care report argues that unpaid and underpaid care work, performed disproportionately by women and girls, sustains the economy while reinforcing inequality. Its analysis broadens the discussion of whose work receives recognition and compensation.
In Stanford University Press’s The Burnout Society, excerpted by Williams College, Byung-Chul Han describes an achievement culture in which people push themselves to produce more. He argues that internalized demands can make apparent freedom coexist with compulsion. This is a philosophical interpretation of social life, not a clinical explanation for every person’s exhaustion.
Han’s critique focuses on workload, expectations, and control. It complements the episode’s concern with working life while using a different framework from Marx.
A broader assessment asks how firms, governments, and households share risks and resources. Our episode on elite theory and political influence examines decision-making power. Ray Dalio’s international monetary system warning considers a different question: systemic financial vulnerability. These connections help separate workplace exploitation, political influence, and financial instability without treating them as interchangeable explanations.
Possible responses should be evaluated on their actual design and results. Stronger worker representation, enforceable protections, care provision, and alternative ownership arrangements raise different questions about voice, incentives, funding, and accountability. The central test is whether people gain meaningful control over their work and a fairer share of the benefits it creates.
Q1: Does capitalism cause exploitation?
Marx argues that exploitation is built into capitalist wage labor. Other economic traditions explain profits and exchange differently. The answer depends on the definition of exploitation and the framework being assessed.
Q2: What is labor power?
It is the capacity to work. In Marx’s analysis, a worker sells that capacity for a period, while the employer directs its use in production.
Q3: What is surplus value?
Within Marx’s theory, it is value created by workers beyond the value of their labor power. It is not simply another name for a firm’s sales revenue.
Q4: How does self-exploitation differ from external control?
Han emphasizes pressure that people internalize as personal ambition and constant self-improvement. The concept asks how social expectations can operate through apparently voluntary effort.
Q5: What evidence helps assess labor exploitation under capitalism?
Examine compensation, hours, safety, bargaining options, unpaid work, and control over decisions. A careful assessment identifies both the standard of fairness and the evidence supporting its conclusions.
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::(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Welcome to the Deep Dive.
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::Glad to be here.
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::Today, we are tackling, well, a stack of sources that ask perhaps one of the most challenging
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::questions out there in political economy.
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::Is exploitation a necessary feature-like, an actual requirement of capitalism, especially
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::the unregulated, laissez-faire kind?
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::Yeah, it's a big one.
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::We're not just talking about unfortunate side effects or, you know, bad luck.
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::Right.
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::The question is whether the system itself, by its very design, sort of mandates human
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::submission in some way.
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::That's really the core conflict, isn't it?
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::The philosophical and economic tension we're diving into today.
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::Our sources, and they range from, you know, classical critical theory to modern economic
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::history, sociology, they really, this is a structural question.
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::Structural, okay.
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::We're analyzing these arguments, quite powerful ones, claiming that the whole profit engine
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::fundamentally relies on exploitation.
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::It's the fuel.
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::Right.
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::Okay, so our mission today, for you listening, is to get up to speed quickly on these structural
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::theories.
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::We want you to understand the historical side, the hypocrisy that some argue enables this
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::globally.
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::Right.
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::And also see how policy choices, things decided in government, might actually deepen inequality
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::right here at home.
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::We'll be covering a lot of ground, from, say, the British Empire's actions centuries ago
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::to the U.S. in the 19th century.
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::All the way to things like the psychology behind bullshit jobs, which is a fascinating
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::concept.
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::Oh, yeah.
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::And the hard data, the really tangible reality of global poverty figures.
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::We should probably set a ground rule right away, based on the sources.
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::Okay.
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::The critical political economy texts we're drawing from, they argue that these systems
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::require a part of the population to accept submission.
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::Submission, how?
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::Well, sometimes it's framed as economic duress, like you voluntarily take a bad job because
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::the alternative is worse.
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::Other times, maybe more direct coercion.
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::But the point is, this submission is needed just for the system to keep running, to maintain
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::equilibrium and generate profit.
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::So that reliance, that need for submission, that's the structural mandate we're examining.
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::Exactly.
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::That's the term.
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::And if that's true, it forces us to reevaluate a lot of common assumptions, doesn't it?
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::It really does.
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::We'll see how issues like, say, wages not going up for ages, or persistent unemployment,
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::or the fact that living costs seem to explode, how these are framed not as market failures.
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::Right.
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::Not as accidents.
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::But potentially as deliberate policy choices, or at least necessary outcomes designed to
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::make sure there's always a pool of, well, desperate labor available.
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::That framing is absolutely crucial.
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::If you connect that idea that these are choices or required outcomes to the bigger picture,
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::then the usual story that the global economy is this purely meritocratic, efficient machine
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::making everyone richer starts to look a bit shaky, especially when you view it through
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::this lens of structural reliance.
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::You have to ask who benefits, right?
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::Who benefits when wages stay low, or unemployment stays high, or the safety net is weak year
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::after year?
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::Precisely.
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::It forces a different kind of analysis.
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::Okay.
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::All right.
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::Let's unpack the first major structural mechanism our sources highlight.
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::And this one seems to rely heavily on, well, historical amnesia.
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::Ah, yes.
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::The hypocrisy of the world's richest nations.
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::Economist Haojun Chang has this brilliant phrase for it, kicking away the ladder.
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::Kicking away the ladder.
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::I like that.
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::Chang's thesis is incredibly well documented.
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::It's a really strong foundation for understanding why global inequality looks the way it does
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::today.
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::So what's the core idea?
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::Basically today, the rich countries, the now developed countries, or NDCs, they pressure
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::developing nations relentlessly to adopt this very specific standardized package of economic
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::policies.
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::Okay.
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::And that package has a name, right?
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::The Washington Consensus?
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::That's the one.
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::It sounds very official, very settled.
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::What does it actually demand?
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::What are the rules in this consensus?
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::Well, in practice, it's pretty clear.
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::It generally pushes for things like strict government budgets, keeping deficits low,
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::competitive exchange rates, trade liberalization, meaning slash those tariffs, open your markets.
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::Let foreign investment flood in.
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::Liberalization of foreign direct investment, privatize companies the state owns, deregulate
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::heavily.
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::And this is key in force really strong property rights, especially intellectual property like
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::patents and copyrights.
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::And the message is always, this package, this is the only path, the only good policy way
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::to grow your economy.
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::But the historical twist, the hypocrisy you mentioned.
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::Is that the rich countries, when they are the ones trying to catch up, when they were industrializing,
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::they absolutely did not follow these rules.
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::Not even close.
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::They did the opposite.
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::Pretty much.
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::Yeah.
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::They actively used strategies that were highly interventionist, protectionist.
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::Policies deliberately designed to nurture their own domestic industries, build their
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::own manufacturing base, accumulate wealth.
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::So they're telling developing countries today to fight with one hand tied behind their back
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::That's a fair summary.
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::Compete with us, but don't use any of the tools we use to get where we are.
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::Let's take an example, Britain.
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::We usually think of Britain as like the birthplace of industrial free trade.
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::And they were, eventually.
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::But Chang makes this critical point.
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::Britain only became this huge champion of free trade after it had already secured its
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::economic dominance.
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::After its industry was basically unbeatable globally.
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::So before that.
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::Before that.
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::For centuries, right up until the mid-19th century, like 1846, when they repealed the
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::Corn Laws, their policies were fiercely protectionist.
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::Can you give a specific example?
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::How did that protectionism work structurally?
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::What did it look like on the ground?
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::Oh, sure.
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::Think about the Navigation Acts.
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::They started way back in the 17th century.
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::These laws were explicitly designed to make sure that trade with Britain or its colonies
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::happened mostly on British ships.
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::It wasn't about finding the cheapest shipping.
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::It was about boosting Britain's own shipbuilding industry and its maritime power.
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::And hurting rivals, presumably.
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::Absolutely.
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::It was partly aimed at crippling their big maritime competitors at the time, particularly
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::the Dutch.
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::Then you have things like Robert Walpole's reforms in 1721.
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::What did those do?
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::They were all about promoting British manufacturing.
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::They slapped heavy tariffs on manufactured goods coming in from other countries, making
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::them more expensive.
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::And they gave subsidies and export bounties to British producers selling out.
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::So state intervention.
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::Targeted, strategic help for their own industries?
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::Exactly.
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::It wasn't laissez-faire at all.
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::It was deliberate industrial strategy.
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::Which makes their later shift to preaching pure free trade look, well, less like some
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::universal economic truth and more like a strategy to lock in their advantage once they'd won.
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::That's certainly the interpretation Chang puts forward.
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::And the story for the U.S. is maybe even more startling.
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::How so?
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::The U.S. is the big champion of free trade now.
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::Right. But through most of the 19th century, when it was rapidly industrializing and catching
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::up to Britain, the U.S. was, this is a quote Chang uses, arguably the strongest bastion
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::of protectionist policies and even their intellectual home.
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::That really cuts against the standard narrative we hear.
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::So U.S. tariffs were high during that big industrial boom period.
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::Consistently high, especially after the Civil War.
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::The average U.S. tariff on manufactured goods was often floating around 40, even 50 percent.
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::50 percent?
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::Yeah.
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::And this wasn't an accident.
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::It was deliberate policy.
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::Thinkers like Alexander Hamilton argued for it way back.
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::The idea was to shield America's fragile infant industries, textiles, iron, steel from the
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::more established, more efficient European competitors, mainly Britain.
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::Give them breathing room to grow strong domestically.
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::Precisely.
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::Let the U.S. economy diversify, build its industrial base, protected from being swamped
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::by imports before it was ready.
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::So the U.S. used protectionism to climb the ladder and then once it was powerful globally
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::started insisting everyone else should embrace free trade.
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::That's the core of the kicking away the ladder argument.
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::And Chang points to the data.
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::The two periods where the U.S. had its best 20 year growth spurts in GDP per capita between
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::1830 and 1910, specifically 1870, 1890 and 1890, 1910.
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::These were periods when those protectionist tariffs were particularly high.
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::So growth happened with protectionism, not despite it.
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::It strongly suggests that the path to development isn't the single narrow road that the rich
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::countries currently prescribe.
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::And it wasn't just Britain and the U.S., Germany, France, Sweden, Japan.
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::They all use significant government intervention, tariffs, subsidies during their catch up phases.
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::Okay.
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::So the hypocrisy isn't just about trade policy.
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::You mentioned it extends to institutions too.
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::Right.
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::Because the other part of the Washington consensus package and the demands from NDCs today is
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::about adopting good institutions immediately.
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::Like what kind of institutions?
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::Things like, you know, full blown Western style democracy, completely independent central
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::banks, very strong intellectual property rights protection, anti-corruption agencies, the
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::whole suite.
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::And the message is you need these first as a prerequisite for growth or for getting aid
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::or favorable trade deals.
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::But Chang challenges this too.
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::He does fundamentally.
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::He argues that historically for the NDCs themselves, many of these good institutions were actually
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::the outcome of economic development, not the initial cause.
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::So they got rich first and then developed these complex institutions.
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::Often, yes.
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::Or the development happened gradually, side by side over a long time.
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::It took the U.K. and the U.S. decades, sometimes centuries of messy industrialization and wealth
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::building before they fully established things like a truly universal franchise or a relatively
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::non-corrupt civil service.
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::So NDCs today are demanding standards from developing countries that they themselves
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::couldn't meet when they were at a similar level of poverty or industrial development.
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::Exactly.
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::And this isn't just unfair.
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::It imposes real costs and complexities that developing nations often can't afford or don't
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::actually need at their stage.
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::Can you give an example of that?
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::Well, the source material brings up the really sensitive issue of child labor.
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::The push from NDCs and international organizations is often for an immediate total elimination
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::of all child labor.
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::Now, morally, everyone agrees that's the goal.
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::Of course.
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::But forcing an outright ban immediately, without phasing it in, and crucially, without providing
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::alternative income support for the poorest families, it can be economically devastating.
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::Because in many extremely poor contexts, the family unit relies on the collective income
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::of multiple members, including older children, just to survive.
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::Suddenly, removing that income without a replacement can push families into even deeper poverty
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::or force them into more dangerous, hidden forms of labor.
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::So it's demanding a standard that sounds good ethically in the rich world, but ignores the
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::harsh economic reality on the ground, and maybe even makes things worse.
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::It's a policy choice that doesn't account for the context.
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::It's presented as demanding a standard that the NDCs themselves only achieved very gradually,
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::often after they became much wealthier.
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::It ignores the path they actually took.
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::As a powerful example, it really highlights how demanding adherence to world standards
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::instantly can deepen poverty traps.
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::The overall takeaway from Chang is pretty stark.
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::The current demands on developing countries for both policies and institutions are fundamentally
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::ahistorical.
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::And critically, they arguably serve the structural interests of the NDCs by making it much harder
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::for new industrial competitors, potentially supported by their own states, to emerge.
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::The latter gets kicked away, preventing others from climbing up.
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::That's the argument.
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::Okay.
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::Let's shift gears now.
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::We've talked about this global hypocrisy, this external dynamic.
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::Let's move inside the system, look at the internal theoretical engine that critics argue
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::makes exploitation structurally inevitable, even within a single country's market.
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::And this inevitably brings us to Marx.
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::Yes, Marx's concept of surplus value.
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::This is really the original argument for structural reliance in capitalism.
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::How does it work?
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::Lay it out for us.
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::Okay.
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::According to Marx's political economy, the very process of generating profit requires
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::exploitation.
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::The system runs because the worker sells their labor power to the capitalist.
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::Because they're billing all the work.
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::Right.
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::And they get paid a wage for that.
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::Now, that wage, in theory, represents the value of that labor power, basically.
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::What it costs to keep the worker alive and able to work another day, food, shelter, the
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::basics.
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::Okay.
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::Makes sense.
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::The cost of maintaining the worker.
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::Exactly.
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::But here's the crucial part, the distinction.
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::The actual value the worker produces during their time at work is significantly greater
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::than the wage they receive.
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::Oh, okay.
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::So they produce more value than they cost.
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::Precisely.
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::Let's say a worker can produce enough value to cover their daily wage in, say, four hours
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::of work.
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::But they're contracted to work for eight hours, those extra four hours of labor.
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::The value generated during that time isn't paid back to the worker.
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::It's taken by the capitalist.
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::And that's the profit.
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::That's the surplus value, which forms the basis of profit, rent, interest, all the returns
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::to capital.
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::So structurally speaking, then, if workers were actually paid the full value of what
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::they created...
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::Profit, by definition, would disappear.
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::Right.
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::Or be drastically reduced.
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::Which means that exploitation defined here as the extraction of this unpaid surplus value
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::isn't just a nasty side effect.
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::It's a core necessary mandate for the whole capitalist engine to function and grow.
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::That's the fundamental claim.
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::Without surplus value extraction, the system, as conceived by Marx, collapses.
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::Okay.
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::But this immediately raises the question of submission again.
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::If this exploitation is required, how is it enforced?
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::Especially in a system where we're told labor is voluntary.
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::You choose where you work, right?
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::Right.
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::And the sources tackle this head on, often referencing Marx's idea of the dull compulsion
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::of economic relations.
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::The dull compulsion.
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::What does that mean?
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::It's about the quiet, almost invisible structural force of the market itself.
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::Workers are indeed free in a couple of senses.
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::They're legally free, not slaves or serfs tied to the land.
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::And they're free to choose which employer they sell their labor power to.
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::But...
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::But, and this is the crucial part, they are also free from something else.
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::They've been stripped, historically, of any other means of making a living.
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::They don't own land.
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::They don't own factories.
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::They don't own the means of production.
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::So the only thing they can sell is their labor.
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::Exactly.
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::The only way to survive is to sell their ability to work to someone who does own the means
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::of production.
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::So the choice is voluntary only in the sense that the alternative is, what, destitution?
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::Starvation.
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::Pretty much.
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::The compulsion isn't a whip or a chain.
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::It's the quiet, grinding pressure of economic necessity.
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::It's dull, not dramatic, but it's incredibly effective in ensuring that people do submit
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::to selling their labor, often on terms favorable to the employer.
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::And this connects directly to the more modern arguments we mentioned earlier, that things
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::like wage stagnation are actually policy choices.
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::Absolutely, directly.
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::The argument is that unregulated, neoliberal market models require what they call flexible
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::workers.
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::Flexible meaning?
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::Flexible usually translates to low wages, job insecurity, maybe being part of the gig
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::economy with no benefits, easily hired and fired.
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::This flexibility benefits the employer by lowering labor costs and risks.
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::And how is that flexibility enforced?
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::What's the mechanism of control?
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::The key mechanism, going back to Marx, but still very relevant in these analyses, is
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::maintaining what's called the reserve army of labor.
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::The unemployed and underemployed.
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::Exactly.
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::A large pool of people desperate for work.
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::This reserve army is seen as structurally essential.
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::Why?
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::Because if there are lots of unemployed people willing to work for low wages.
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::Then the people who do have jobs have very little bargaining power.
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::Precisely.
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::You can't effectively demand higher wages or better conditions if your boss knows there
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::are 10 other people lined up outside, ready and willing to take your job for the same
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::pay or even less.
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::So the existence of unemployment keeps wages down for everyone else and enforces that submission.
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::It maximizes the potential for surplus value extraction.
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::That's the structural argument.
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::And this is where specific policy choices become really crucial, seen as instruments
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::for maintaining that reserve army or increasing the desperation of workers.
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::Like what?
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::Well, the source material strongly argues that the explosion in the cost of living,
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::housing, health care, education over the last couple of decades isn't just some natural
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::phenomenon.
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::It's linked to policy decisions.
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::Specifically, the erosion of the social safety net.
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::Yes.
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::The sources explicitly point to cuts in programs designed to help the poor, like SNFP, food
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::stamps and Medicaid, health care for the poor and disabled.
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::How do those cuts function as a mechanism of control, according to this view?
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::By making it much harder and more expensive for people at the bottom to survive without
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::a job or between jobs.
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::If basic food assistance is cut, if access to affordable health care is reduced, the
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::cost of mere survival skyrockets for the most vulnerable.
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::Which makes them more desperate to take any job, even one with low pay and bad conditions.
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::That's the logic presented.
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::Dismantling the safety net isn't just about saving government money, in this view.
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::It's a policy mechanism that strategically intensifies that dull compulsion.
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::It ensures a steady supply of labor that is desperate enough to accept insecure, low-wage
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::work, which in turn helps maximize profit extraction.
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::Okay.
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::That directly links political decisions to economic outcomes designed, arguably, to maintain
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::exploitation.
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::And this is where the ideas from elite theory, which are woven into our source material,
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::become really potent.
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::How does elite theory sit in?
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::Elite theory, in broad strokes, suggests that political power tends to gravitate towards
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::and reflect the interests of the wealthy and powerful elites in society.
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::Regardless of democratic processes.
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::The stronger versions argue that yes.
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::Some analyses cited suggest that statistically, the policy preferences of the vast majority
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::of ordinary citizens have a near-zero impact on actual policy outcomes.
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::Clear.
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::That's stark.
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::It is.
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::Whereas the preferences of economic elites and organized business interests have a substantial
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::impact.
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::So if maintaining a precarious, low-wage labor force is beneficial to the interests of capital.
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::And capital holds disproportionate political influence.
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::Then policies that create or deepen that precarity, like cutting social programs, weakening
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::labor protections, resisting minimum wage increases, become a predictable, almost logical
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::outcome of the political system, according to this theory.
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::So poverty and insecurity aren't seen as policy failures to be fixed, but potentially
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::as functional, politically enforced necessities for the system as it currently operates.
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::That's the grim implication explored in some of these critical sources.
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::It creates this loop.
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::Historical advantages lead to economic power, which translates into political power, which
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::enacts policies that reinforce the economic structure, including its reliance on accessible,
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::often desperate labor.
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::Okay.
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::That connects the historical, the theoretical, and the political dimensions really tightly.
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::Let's pivot now to what feels like a newer, maybe more subtle form of submission.
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::This involves psychology, wealth concentration, and this idea of plutocracy.
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::Right.
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::This takes us into the dynamics of extreme wealth concentration in the modern era.
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::Thomas Piketty's work is foundational here.
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::He showed that while maybe Marx's prediction of total capitalist collapse hasn't happened,
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::capitalism hasn't really fixed its deep structural tendency towards accumulating wealth at the
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::top, leading to levels of inequality we haven't seen in a century.
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::His key finding, that famous equation, R is greater than G.
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::Exactly.
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::RG.
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::The rate of return on capital R tends to be higher than the overall rate of economic growth,
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::G.
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::What does that actually mean in practice?
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::It means that wealth derived from owning assets, things like stocks, bonds, real estate, collecting
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::rent, dividends, capital gains, grows faster on average than wealth generated from working
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::for a living, wages, and the overall extension of the economy.
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::So, if you already have wealth, your wealth grows faster than the economy itself, faster
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::than wages.
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::Generally, yes, over the long run.
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::This dynamic inherently fuels inequality because existing wealth snowballs faster than people
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::can typically earn through labor.
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::It favors inherited wealth and accumulated capital over earned income.
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::And Piketty warned this leads to extreme inequalities that stir discontent and undermine democratic
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::values.
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::Precisely.
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::And that connects directly to the political consequences.
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::When wealth becomes that concentrated, political power tends to follow.
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::Writers like McChesney and Nichols argue this dynamic has pushed countries like the U.S.
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::towards becoming effectively a plutocracy.
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::A state ruled by the wealthy.
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::Where the sheer power of moneyed interests makes it incredibly difficult for them to be
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::challenged or for that power to be relinquished voluntarily through normal democratic means.
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::Policy tends to reflect their interests.
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::And this power operates in complex ways, right?
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::It's not always overt.
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::No.
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::And sociologist Saskia Sasson's work is insightful here.
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::She talks about how the sheer complexity and opacity of the modern global financial system
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::create what she calls predatory formations.
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::Predatory formations.
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::How do they relate to structural reliance or submission?
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::They function by making accountability almost impossible.
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::Think about incredibly complex financial derivatives or opaque global real estate deals driving
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::up housing costs or intricate supply chains that hide labor exploitation.
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::These systems lead to what Sasson terms expulsions.
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::Expulsions like?
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::Mass displacements of people from their homes due to speculation, communities losing livelihoods
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::due to resource extraction finance from afar, workers being effectively discarded by automation
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::or outsourcing facilitated by complex financial maneuvering.
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::And the complexity acts as the shield.
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::Yes.
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::Because the lines of cause and effect of who decided what, who benefits, are so incredibly
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::tangled and often cross borders, it becomes nearly impossible to hold anyone specific responsible.
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::Those who benefit financially from these destructive processes can easily distance themselves,
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::evade scrutiny.
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::So the economic power from RG gets laundered through complexity, allowing elites to maintain
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::their structural advantage without facing direct blame for the consequences.
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::That's a good way to put it.
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::And this opacity, this unaccountability links interestingly to a shift in how exploitation
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::itself is experienced and enforced, especially in the core economies.
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::We move from more external forms of coercion.
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::Like the threat of firing or starvation.
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::Or something more internalized, self-policing almost.
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::This is where the idea of the entrepreneur of the self comes in.
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::Exactly.
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::Critical thinkers argue that late stage neoliberal capitalism doesn't just want your labor, it
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::wants your whole self.
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::It demands that workers enthusiastically brand themselves, manage their lives like a business,
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::constantly optimize their performance.
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::Turning your passions into profit centers.
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::Right.
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::Turning everything, even your hobbies, your personality, into something potentially marketable.
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::Something part of your personal brand.
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::The mantra becomes, do what you love.
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::Which sounds nice, but...
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::But often translates in practice to do what you love.
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::And therefore you shouldn't expect to be paid properly for it because it's your passion.
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::It blurs the lines between work and life.
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::Often leading to longer hours and self-exploitation.
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::The philosopher Beng Chol Han talks about this as a form of psychological violence,
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::right?
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::Contrasting it with older forms of exploitation.
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::Yes.
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::His analysis is sharp.
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::He argues that under classical industrial capitalism, the worker could clearly identify
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::an external exploiter, the boss, the factory owner, and could say, they are exploiting
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::me.
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::There was an identifiable other.
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::Okay.
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::But in neoliberalism, with this emphasis on self-management, self-optimization, the dynamic
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::shifts internally.
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::The dominant feeling isn't, they exploit me, but rather, I am failing, I am not productive
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::enough, I need to optimize myself more.
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::Wow.
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::So the submission becomes total because the worker becomes their own taskmaster.
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::Their own boss and their own exploited laborer simultaneously.
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::That's the core of Han's critique.
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::You internalize the demands of the market, constantly driving yourself towards an often
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::unattainable ideal of productivity and self-improvement defined by external forces.
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::You manage your own exploitation.
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::That sounds incredibly stressful and often perhaps kind of pointless, which seems like
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::a perfect segue into David Graeber's work on bullshit jobs.
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::Yes, absolutely.
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::Graeber's concept really struck a chord with people.
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::So what exactly is a bullshit job, according to him?
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::He defined it pretty memorably.
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::Paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or even pernicious that even
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::the employee secretly cannot justify its existence.
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::Yet as part of the conditions of employment, they feel obligated to pretend that this is
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::not the case.
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::They have to pretend their job has meaning even when they know it doesn't.
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::Exactly.
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::And he based this on analyzing hundreds, maybe thousands of testimonials people sent him after
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::he first wrote about the idea.
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::He even tried to categorize them into types.
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::OK, let's hear the types.
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::These sound relatable, maybe?
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::Probably.
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::First, he identified flunkies.
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::Yeah, these are people whose primary role is just to hang around and make someone else
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::look or feel important.
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::Think of a doorman who doesn't really do much, or layers of personal assistants for
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::executives who don't actually need that many assistants.
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::Their existence signals the status of their superior.
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::OK, who's next?
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::Second, goons.
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::Goons sound less passive.
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::They are.
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::Goons have jobs that are fundamentally aggressive or manipulative, acting against the interests
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::of others on behalf of their employer.
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::Graeber included roles like corporate lobbyists working against public good regulations, aggressive
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::telemarketers pushing predatory products, maybe even corporate lawyers finding loopholes.
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::People whose job has a negative impact, essentially.
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::OK, third?
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::Third, duct tapers.
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::Duct tapers.
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::Like, they're fixing things.
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::Sort of, but only temporarily.
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::Duct tapers exist solely because of a glitch or fault in the organization that should be
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::fixed properly but isn't.
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::They spend their time patching up problems, smoothing over crises caused by bad systems,
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::poor management, or under-resourcing.
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::They keep a broken system limping along.
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::Instead of actually solving the underlying issue.
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::Got it.
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::Fourth type.
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::Fourth, the very common box tickers.
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::Aha!
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::Bureaucracy.
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::Totally.
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::Box tickers exist primarily to allow an organization to claim it's doing something that, in reality,
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::it's not doing.
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::This involves endless paperwork, filling out forms nobody reads, attending meetings that
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::achieve nothing, writing compliance reports purely for show, creating internal surveys
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::or corporate communications that have no real impact.
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::It's at the performance of work rather than actual productive work.
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::Exactly.
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::Activity designed to create the appearance of usefulness.
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::And the fifth type.
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::Fifth, taskmasters.
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::Taskmasters.
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::Who are they managing?
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::Well, taskmasters fall into two groups.
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::Some supervise people who don't actually need supervision.
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::Think middle managers overseeing capable teams who could self-manage.
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::The second type is worse.
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::Taskmasters who actively create bullshit tasks for others to do just to justify their own
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::existence or expand their bureaucratic turf.
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::They generate pointlessness for others.
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::Right.
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::They assign bullshit tasks, multiplying the overall amount of bullshit in the system.
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::Okay.
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::But let's push back a bit.
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::Play devil's advocate.
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::Surely some of these roles, like compliance officers, box tickers, are actually necessary.
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::You need to follow regulations, right?
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::Isn't Graber overstating the pointlessness?
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::That's a fair challenge.
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::And Graber did address it.
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::He acknowledged that some level of compliance, administration, et cetera, is obviously necessary.
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::But his argument, based on the testimonies he received, was that a huge proportion of
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::the activity generated in these roles goes far beyond any genuine legal or practical
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::necessity.
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::It becomes performative, generating reports just to justify a department's budget or
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::conducting internal audits that are more about CYA covering your assets than actually improving
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::anything.
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::So it's the excess, the performative aspect that makes it bullshit.
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::That's the idea.
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::And the structural reliance here seems to shift.
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::It's not just about extracting surplus labor value in the classic sense, but perhaps about
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::demanding surplus submissive activity, just keeping people busy, maintaining hierarchy.
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::And why would companies pay for this?
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::If it's not economically efficient?
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::Graber suggested a couple of reasons.
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::One he called managerial feudalism.
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::Feudalism.
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::Yeah.
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::The idea that modern corporations, despite the rhetoric of lean efficiency, often operate
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::on feudal principles.
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::Managers gain status and power not just from profit, but from the number of underlings
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::they control.
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::So they have an incentive to create unnecessary positions beneath them.
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::It's about power and status, not just bottom line economics.
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::That's part of the argument.
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::Combined with what he saw as a lingering Puritan capitalist work ethic, this deep-seated belief
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::that work, any paid work, is morally good and necessary for self-worth, even if the
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::work itself is utterly pointless.
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::So people feel compelled to do it and employers feel compelled to create it, partly for status
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::reasons.
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::And the result, Graber argued, based on his research and later studies seem to confirm
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::this, is profound psychological harm.
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::How so?
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::Forcing people to spend years pretending their job has meaning when they know it doesn't.
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::Engaging in activity they find pointless.
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::It leads directly to feelings of alienation, depression, anxiety, lower overall well-being.
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::It's a kind of psychic violence.
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::The ultimate control is making someone complicit in managing their own sense of futility while
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::That ties this seemingly absurd phenomenon of bullshit jobs right back into these deeper
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::structures of submission and control, even if it's psychological rather than purely
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::Exactly. It's a different facet of the same underlying issues.
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::OK, let's zoom back out now from the internal psychology to the global system.
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::How does this idea of structural exploitation play out on the world stage?