In this episode, Sean Dillon shares insights into the origins of his podcasts, the unique format of "Rocking 25," and the storytelling approach of "Beyond the Mic." Discover how Sean's experiences driving golf carts for VIPs led to memorable encounters with celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and Burl Ives.

Sean's storytelling prowess shines through as he delves into the art of conversation and the importance of capturing untold stories from guests like Lea Thompson, Robby Takac, Alex Winter, and Gloria Gaynor.

Whether you're a sports enthusiast or a fan of captivating interviews, this episode offers a glimpse into the world of podcasting and storytelling.

Notable Quotes:

"If my guest pauses for five or six or 10, 30 seconds to say, man, I don't know how to answer this. That right there shows vulnerability, and it shows that we're all human." - Sean Dillon

"It's not about the star. It's about the person that the star is with." - Sean Dillon

Connect with Sean:

• Rockin' 25 College Basketball Poll
• Beyond the Mic
• Sean on X

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• TZ Audio Stellar X2 condenser mic
• Rodecaster Pro II audio production studio
• Sony MDR-7506 Studio Monitor Headphones
• JOBY Wavo Boom Arm
• Elgato Wave Mic Arm Low Profile

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• Captivate.fm
• Substack
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Danny: 00:00:07

Hi, I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My Other Podcast Is, the show that

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brings you podcasters from around the world to talk about their other

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And now, let's get started.

Danny: 00:00:32

Hi,

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I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My Other Podcast Is, the show that brings you

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podcasters from around the world to talk about their other podcasts, the one that's

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maybe less known than their main show.

Danny: 00:00:49

Today I'm joined by Sean Dillon from Texas in the US.

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Sean is truly a master of all trades, including a podcaster, obviously,

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director of digital media, a 25 plus year radio veteran, and more.

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Sean's main podcast is Rockin 25 College Basketball Pro,

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which we'll talk about shortly.

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And his other podcast, we'll talk about that shortly too.

Danny: 00:01:09

But first, Sean, welcome to my other podcasters.

Sean: 00:01:13

Danny, it's always a pleasure to talk with you and glad to be

Sean: 00:01:17

part of this new podcast for you.

Danny: 00:01:20

I know.

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And it's kind of exciting.

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It hasn't launched yet as we record this.

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So this will be one of the first episodes that goes out.

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So it's kind of cool.

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It's kind of cool to have this as being one of the inaugural episodes.

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And yeah, it's fun to do video.

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We're doing video for this podcast, obviously, and this is

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the first time we've really done video, so that's a new one for me.

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So I might be a little bit nervous.

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Just be warn there.

Danny: 00:01:40

I might

Sean: 00:01:41

l Look, I, I'm in radio, so I have a face for radio, so, you know, I, I made

Sean: 00:01:48

sure I looked, you know, equal to you.

Sean: 00:01:50

So, so there's, you know, look at this.

Sean: 00:01:52

It's, it's Danny one and Danny two.

Danny: 00:01:54

I know.

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I should have left my gristle on, I, I had a little shave

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and a shower l this morning.

Danny: 00:01:58

I should have left it.

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I've got a little bit of a, like a one day there.

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But yeah, it's, it's all fun.

Danny: 00:02:04

It's all good stuff.

Danny: 00:02:05

So Sean, I mentioned in the intro that you're a 25 plus year radio vet.

Danny: 00:02:09

And I got to say that kind of oozes out of you.

Danny: 00:02:12

You have an amazing voice.

Danny: 00:02:14

I've just got to say that up when I listened to your shows and just talking

Danny: 00:02:17

to you now, it has that nice timbre.

Danny: 00:02:19

What's just, just cool.

Danny: 00:02:21

Was that also, it's not something you work on, but who

Sean: 00:02:24

it, it comes from being the oldest of six kids and

Sean: 00:02:29

being the oldest of six kids.

Sean: 00:02:32

And when my parents would come home, it was whoever could talk the

Sean: 00:02:38

loudest and get my mom and dad's attention would get first, right?

Sean: 00:02:44

Sometimes I, but sometimes it'd be like, hello, hello, pick me, pick me.

Sean: 00:02:50

But, you know, being the oldest and my grandmother was

Sean: 00:02:55

a speech and hearing therapist.

Sean: 00:02:58

And so I would go to her.

Sean: 00:03:01

She was also a teacher, universities in New York.

Sean: 00:03:05

And so I would go with her to her speech and hearing classes and, and

Sean: 00:03:11

write an A with your left hand or write an A with your right hand.

Sean: 00:03:15

And so doing all that, I just looked at it as I wanted to have a voice.

Sean: 00:03:23

And my other podcast is because of not allowing myself to to tell their stories.

Sean: 00:03:32

We'll talk about that later.

Danny: 00:03:33

Yeah, for sure.

Danny: 00:03:34

So there's definitely a lot of vocal background stuff there.

Danny: 00:03:37

And it's all brothers, sisters too?

Danny: 00:03:39

Or is it a mix?

Sean: 00:03:40

Oh, three sisters, two younger brothers.

Sean: 00:03:44

I'm the oldest of six.

Sean: 00:03:46

And so, yeah, it's, it's.

Sean: 00:03:50

And even split.

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Even split, except for when it came to bathrooms.

Sean: 00:03:56

And then, you know.

Sean: 00:03:57

Fun.

Danny: 00:04:01

So as I mentioned at the start, obviously your main podcast

Danny: 00:04:03

is Rockin 25 College Basketball Poll.

Danny: 00:04:06

Which is geared, obviously, as the name suggests, towards college basketball.

Danny: 00:04:10

So how did that come about?

Sean: 00:04:12

Well, I'm the executive producer director for the rock and pregame show,

Sean: 00:04:19

which is a Texas tech sports show Fridays on, on rock one on one, Milwaukee, Texas.

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And with that, the first year.

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We're thinking, how can we, you know, really get more people

Sean: 00:04:38

to, you know, understand what's going on around the country.

Sean: 00:04:43

So I went and found Eric Haslam and a couple other guys and said, Hey, what

Sean: 00:04:49

we're going to do is we're going to put together this, this, this, this, this.

Sean: 00:04:51

Top 25 of college basketball.

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And we're going to talk to you guys because you guys are from Seattle

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and Wisconsin, North Carolina and Maine, and we're going to

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put together the top 25 teams.

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Now, these were basically people who had no radio experience,

Sean: 00:05:12

had just passion for the game.

Sean: 00:05:15

And so it first started out as a 20 minute segment on a radio show.

Sean: 00:05:20

And then I still thought, you know, maybe I need to put this out.

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And put it on the website.

Sean: 00:05:27

And so it then became a podcast.

Sean: 00:05:30

And so, you know, every, every Thursday night at 6 30, I'm recording

Sean: 00:05:36

the show, that 20 minute segment.

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And then I edit myself out and let the host, the other host of

Sean: 00:05:42

the radio show do the audio live.

Sean: 00:05:47

So while I'm talking to, you know, I might be talking to Eric

Sean: 00:05:51

Haslam and from hasslemetrics.

Sean: 00:05:53

com and having him explain, you know, why Marquette is not to be

Sean: 00:05:58

trusted during the NCAA tournament.

Sean: 00:06:01

Or I might be having them break, you know, Michael Hunter break down a specific ACC

Sean: 00:06:09

team and why Duke might not be the team that everyone thinks they are right now.

Sean: 00:06:15

And so it became.

Sean: 00:06:18

One of those things where I wanted to not have it where my guys

Sean: 00:06:23

here in Lubbock knew everything.

Sean: 00:06:26

There are a bunch of talented, independent people out here, like

Sean: 00:06:30

the talented, independent podcasters that are all around the world.

Sean: 00:06:35

I wanted to have their voices.

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And so by having their voices.

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Then it looks like we've got experts from Northeast, South and West

Sean: 00:06:45

coming together for one thing.

Sean: 00:06:48

And so because of that, then once we started putting it out, everyone's

Sean: 00:06:53

like, man, this is good content.

Sean: 00:06:55

And I was like.

Sean: 00:06:56

Well, I guess we're going to put it in an RSS feed and that's, and that's, that

Sean: 00:07:02

was the basis of, you know, you know, starting the rock and 25 and the rock and

Sean: 00:07:07

pregame, you know, putting, putting that on as a podcast, because there are some

Sean: 00:07:12

people that couldn't listen to the show.

Sean: 00:07:15

and wanted to hear it after the show was over or they were at work.

Sean: 00:07:19

They were at lunch, whatever.

Danny: 00:07:21

Right.

Danny: 00:07:21

And, and now I got to admit, I'm a complete noob when it comes to basketball

Danny: 00:07:25

and you can blame it or I'm going to blame on my UK childhood anyway, but

Danny: 00:07:28

it's football like soccer for me.

Danny: 00:07:30

Obviously we did have basketball, but it wasn't a huge game.

Danny: 00:07:32

So with the show focusing on college basketball, what's the appeal for a

Danny: 00:07:38

noob like me, what's the appeal for college basketball specifically for

Danny: 00:07:42

a podcast and show that you're doing as opposed to the main NBA itself?

Sean: 00:07:47

If you compare college basketball and the NBA, someone's thing, someone

Sean: 00:07:52

would say that the NBA is two things.

Sean: 00:07:57

The NBA is dunks or three pointers and it's either, you know, go

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for an easy pass dunk or, you know, a give and go two man game.

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And that's it.

Sean: 00:08:14

The NBA game like the NBA all star game.

Sean: 00:08:17

200 points of yawn, but the college game, when it comes down to things

Sean: 00:08:27

like UMBC beating Virginia, a 16 seed, which had never happened

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before in the history of the NBA, I'm sorry, the NCAA, that passion.

Sean: 00:08:41

A 16 seed beating a one seed.

Sean: 00:08:45

You don't get that in the NBA.

Sean: 00:08:47

You've got the super teams.

Sean: 00:08:49

You've got the, you know, Lakers, the Knicks, the Celtics, you know,

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the Bulls, the Mavs Golden State.

Sean: 00:08:58

You've got all these big market teams with exceptional goals.

Sean: 00:09:02

You got these big market teams.

Sean: 00:09:05

And these big attitudes and you really don't have an underdog and what March

Sean: 00:09:12

madness and what the NCAA provides that the NBA totally does not provide is

Sean: 00:09:20

any one can win any game at any time.

Sean: 00:09:24

Anytime.

Sean: 00:09:26

Absolutely.

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Without a doubt.

Sean: 00:09:28

I mean, you can, you can have half court shots that, that, you know,

Sean: 00:09:32

I mean, how many times during the NCAA tournament are people thinking

Sean: 00:09:38

that 12 seeds will be the five seed?

Sean: 00:09:40

It happens.

Sean: 00:09:42

So that, that's the thing that it's, I mean, what kind of, are you a, what

Sean: 00:09:49

soccer team are you a, a backer of?

Danny: 00:09:52

So I'm Arsenal, Arsenal's my team.

Danny: 00:09:54

Okay.

Danny: 00:09:54

So

Sean: 00:09:55

let's, let's think of if Burnley beat Arsenal, you know,

Sean: 00:10:02

let's say Wrexham beat Arsenal, you would lose your ever loving mind.

Sean: 00:10:08

But to fans of football, that would be the greatest thing

Sean: 00:10:12

ever to have such a huge upset.

Sean: 00:10:16

That's that's why the NCAA is a thousand times better than the

Sean: 00:10:22

NBA, because even though the NCAA, you have super teams, what NIL.

Sean: 00:10:28

And the transfer portal allowed is you can't how, you know, Duke in our

Sean: 00:10:35

latest Rockin 25 basketball poll was 13.

Sean: 00:10:39

Now Duke has never been that low.

Sean: 00:10:42

They've always been a blue blood.

Sean: 00:10:43

They've, they've always, you know, final fours and et cetera.

Sean: 00:10:47

They're not that good a team this year.

Sean: 00:10:49

And so the thing is, is the underdogs are what makes college basketball a

Sean: 00:10:56

thousand times better than the NBA.

Sean: 00:11:00

when it's throw it up from, throw it up from half court, throw it up from beyond

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the three point arc or dunk the ball.

Danny: 00:11:09

Right.

Danny: 00:11:09

So that's, that's, it's obviously a huge difference.

Danny: 00:11:12

And as you mentioned, I can see, you know, it's kind of like the, the FA cup

Danny: 00:11:16

in the UK when it comes to football.

Danny: 00:11:18

That's where the small teams like the Burnleys, like the Wrexhams get a

Danny: 00:11:20

chance to go up against, well Burnley's in the same league at the moment as

Danny: 00:11:24

Arsenal, but from a cup point of view, Wrexham would be a great example.

Danny: 00:11:27

They're about three leagues down from Arsenal.

Danny: 00:11:29

So If they went up against them in the cup and beat them, it'd be massive.

Danny: 00:11:33

It'd be a huge, as you say, an underdog story.

Danny: 00:11:35

And, and what I like about the show as well is I do like the sports format

Danny: 00:11:39

where it's almost like that was, it's a sports format, a basketball show, but

Danny: 00:11:42

college basketball show, but I do like the, the, the sports presentation format

Danny: 00:11:46

where you've got multiple hosts, they're given lots of stats and why they're

Danny: 00:11:49

picking the teams that they're going with and the picks that they're going with.

Danny: 00:11:52

And it made me realize that I feel how huge, like college basketball must be.

Danny: 00:11:58

In the U S because I'm, I'm guessing when, when putting a show together

Danny: 00:12:02

and you can talk about that.

Danny: 00:12:03

What's the process of getting the stats about these teams?

Danny: 00:12:06

Because I can imagine a UK equivalent with a soccer.

Danny: 00:12:09

I wouldn't know any stats about maybe a Wrexham or a Cambridge

Danny: 00:12:13

city or someone like that.

Danny: 00:12:15

So how do you put a show together?

Danny: 00:12:16

How do the experts get that information and all the data?

Danny: 00:12:19

And I don't want this to sound rude, and I apologize if it does, but what's

Danny: 00:12:24

essentially college teams versus the pro, you know, the pro leagues, for example.

Sean: 00:12:28

College, you know, stats are easily available out there.

Sean: 00:12:33

Each NCAA school will put out a box score after the game and.

Sean: 00:12:39

It is easily accessible.

Sean: 00:12:41

There are, there are places that you can scrape stats off of, you know,

Sean: 00:12:47

like Eric Haslam from hazlometrics.

Sean: 00:12:49

com.

Sean: 00:12:49

He has a stat provider that provides all the stats for him.

Sean: 00:12:53

And then he has his analytics that takes all the stats and he puts it together.

Sean: 00:12:58

And boom.

Sean: 00:13:00

It's there.

Sean: 00:13:01

And so he can tell you that, you know, in his, in his top 25 right now,

Sean: 00:13:09

Houston's the number one team followed by Purdue, UConn, Auburn, and Tennessee.

Sean: 00:13:14

And he can say that, you know, offensively the strongest team is Purdue.

Sean: 00:13:19

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, but defensively, the team that

Sean: 00:13:23

absolutely is incredible is Houston.

Sean: 00:13:27

They, you can get into the tiny nitty gritty.

Sean: 00:13:31

And also when we're recording it, I have a script for them where I'm

Sean: 00:13:35

going to tell them, okay, we're going to talk about this week.

Sean: 00:13:37

We're going to talk about we're gonna talk about court storming.

Sean: 00:13:40

We're going to talk about the big 12 and, and how any team, you know, can, can win

Sean: 00:13:47

there, what's the strongest conference.

Sean: 00:13:50

You know, will Gonzaga be.

Sean: 00:13:53

You know, make any roads in there.

Sean: 00:13:56

So they have an idea of what I'm going to ask them.

Sean: 00:13:59

And then, then, then what they'll do is they'll say, okay, I'm going to check the

Sean: 00:14:03

stats and I'm going to say, okay, yeah.

Sean: 00:14:06

You know, Tennessee hasn't gotten out of the.

Sean: 00:14:09

Sweet six gotten past the sweet 16 for this many years so they can find

Sean: 00:14:14

if they know what I'm going to talk about They can find and find the

Sean: 00:14:18

stats that support their discussion.

Danny: 00:14:23

And obviously that level of detail in that level of research.

Danny: 00:14:26

It suits you perfectly for the, the basketball, the college basketball show.

Danny: 00:14:31

But I'm going to assume that must also help you with your other podcasts,

Danny: 00:14:35

which we'll, we'll certainly delve over to and talk about that one.

Danny: 00:14:38

Cause this is like a real interesting concept for me.

Danny: 00:14:41

The other podcast is called Beyond the Mic and it's the perfect name

Danny: 00:14:45

for the show, given its premise.

Danny: 00:14:47

So can you share more details about Beyond the Mic?

Sean: 00:14:50

Beyond the Mic came from the concept of my grandmother and grandfather.

Sean: 00:14:56

My grandfather was worked for the army air corps, which was before

Sean: 00:15:02

the air force and my as he was professor of psychology and sociology.

Sean: 00:15:09

And he, he was incredible.

Sean: 00:15:11

And my grandmother taught and was a speech and hearing professor.

Sean: 00:15:16

She had her own practice.

Sean: 00:15:19

And they would tell me such amazing stories, my grandfather from the great

Sean: 00:15:24

depression, my grandmother of the stars and people that she, that she helped

Sean: 00:15:30

with her, with her practice in school.

Sean: 00:15:33

I never with all the passion that I have for telling stories and hearing stories,

Sean: 00:15:39

I never put a microphone in front of them.

Sean: 00:15:43

And recorded any of them, none of them, not a, not a single one.

Sean: 00:15:48

And so, because of that, with the exception of the stories that I know and

Sean: 00:15:53

I remember, and that I can tell to anyone at any time, those stories are lost.

Sean: 00:16:01

And so, When Beyond the Mic was started, was started with the concept of my

Sean: 00:16:08

boss was in the office next to me and he had this American idol star and

Sean: 00:16:15

he had this promoter that was saying, Hey, I've got this American idol star.

Sean: 00:16:19

We need you to do some radio, blah, blah, blah.

Sean: 00:16:22

And my boss wasn't buying it.

Sean: 00:16:24

Put the person on mute and he goes, I don't want to do this.

Sean: 00:16:31

And so I come across around the corner and go, I'll do it.

Sean: 00:16:36

And he's looking at me like, you'll do it.

Sean: 00:16:40

I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.

Sean: 00:16:41

I'll do it.

Sean: 00:16:42

I'm, you know, it's like the old life life cereal commercial,

Sean: 00:16:46

you know, Mikey, I'll eat it.

Sean: 00:16:47

Michael, eat anything.

Sean: 00:16:49

I'll do it.

Sean: 00:16:50

I'll do anything.

Sean: 00:16:51

And so the first episode of Beyond the Mic, the first 92

Sean: 00:16:57

episodes, you'll never hear.

Sean: 00:16:59

Because the first 92 episodes, I was, I put them out and then I realized

Sean: 00:17:05

they're not what I want them to be.

Sean: 00:17:08

And so the first 92, we're just figuring out what I wanted to do, the format,

Sean: 00:17:16

how I wanted it, who I wanted to talk to, how I wanted to get it done.

Sean: 00:17:21

And the format and the way I do things changes.

Sean: 00:17:25

If you listen to the first Beyond the Mic, you'll hear it.

Sean: 00:17:27

Episode two, the Beyond the Mic episode that I did, you know, yesterday,

Sean: 00:17:34

it'll be completely different.

Sean: 00:17:36

You'll have make, you'll have three main parts.

Sean: 00:17:40

You'll have intro and main main three main questions, which allows them

Sean: 00:17:46

to talk about whatever it is that they're there for, whether it be for,

Sean: 00:17:50

A, you know, an actor or an artist, an author, or someone interesting

Sean: 00:17:56

that I feel like you need to know.

Sean: 00:17:58

And they get their ability that four or five minutes to three,

Sean: 00:18:02

four or five minutes to, you know, Hey, this is what I'm doing.

Sean: 00:18:06

I'm doing this story.

Sean: 00:18:07

I'm doing this article.

Sean: 00:18:08

I'm doing this movie.

Sean: 00:18:09

I'm doing this song.

Sean: 00:18:12

And then we go into the Rockin eight.

Sean: 00:18:13

And the Rockin eight is where Beyond the Mic is completely

Sean: 00:18:16

different than anybody else.

Sean: 00:18:18

I've had guests who will refuse to go on the air because of the Rockin eight.

Sean: 00:18:24

The Rockin eight is eight random questions.

Sean: 00:18:26

It could be anything, but what they don't know is, is that 90

Sean: 00:18:30

percent of the Rockin eight is based off of them and their history.

Sean: 00:18:36

So, so for example, if I was going to do a Rockin eight on you, I talked about

Sean: 00:18:41

the, the, you know, your love of Arsenal.

Sean: 00:18:44

So what was the last Arsenal game you went to, you know, what's your, what's

Sean: 00:18:49

your favorite moment as an Arsenal fan?

Sean: 00:18:52

What's, you know, what got you into podcasting?

Sean: 00:18:56

What was the best lesson that a teacher ever gave you?

Sean: 00:19:00

Who's, who's the person who inspired you?

Sean: 00:19:03

There's five questions there.

Sean: 00:19:05

Now, those five questions probably would not have been asked by

Sean: 00:19:11

any other person, whether it be, what do you like in your coffee?

Sean: 00:19:17

Do you put, do you put a flavorings in your, in your water?

Sean: 00:19:22

By doing that, by breaking down the.

Sean: 00:19:26

From the three initial questions where I get them to give me the

Sean: 00:19:31

same answer, they will give to 99.

Sean: 00:19:33

999 percent of every other interview that's out there.

Sean: 00:19:38

If you listen to any interview, if you go and search for any TV or radio

Sean: 00:19:44

interview, whether it be an actor or artist, an author, people will ask the

Sean: 00:19:49

same two or three different questions.

Sean: 00:19:51

And they have a pat answer that they give the exact same words.

Sean: 00:19:57

And so the Rockin' Eight forces them out of that comfort zone, and then

Sean: 00:20:04

we'll separate into part three, which is either the back half, which is the

Sean: 00:20:10

ability for me to have more deep in depth questions that may pertain about

Sean: 00:20:16

whatever they're talking about, may not pertain to, it may pertain to their

Sean: 00:20:21

hobbies, their interests, who they are.

Sean: 00:20:25

I want to go beyond what everyone knows.

Sean: 00:20:30

If I get one person to say, you know, Sean, that's a great question.

Sean: 00:20:35

That's done.

Sean: 00:20:37

No one's ever asked me that.

Sean: 00:20:38

Perfect.

Sean: 00:20:39

Those are the things Danny I want, because if you're learning

Sean: 00:20:45

and I'm learning, I'm learning.

Sean: 00:20:46

And there's a story that they've told me that no one else has known as long as

Sean: 00:20:52

that RSS feed is up and as long as that audio is there, their story is not lost.

Sean: 00:21:00

And then the final thing, if we don't have time for the back half or sneaking in a

Sean: 00:21:06

couple more, it'll be one big question.

Sean: 00:21:10

And there's a question that is meant to make somebody think somebody give

Sean: 00:21:16

an answer is not something that you could get off the top of your head.

Sean: 00:21:23

If you have to pause for five or six or 10, 30 seconds to say, man,

Sean: 00:21:29

I don't know how to answer this.

Sean: 00:21:31

That right there shows vulnerability and it shows.

Sean: 00:21:36

It shows that we're all human.

Sean: 00:21:39

I don't have pat answers.

Sean: 00:21:41

I kind of knew where we were going with, with, with this interview and

Sean: 00:21:45

with, you know, explaining my other podcast, but I didn't know what

Sean: 00:21:49

you were specifically going to ask.

Sean: 00:21:52

And that vulnerability is what makes us all good.

Danny: 00:21:57

And what I think, I mean you made some excellent points there about what

Danny: 00:22:00

the format does and what I really enjoy about the show, as I've been catching

Danny: 00:22:04

up with the episodes, is you do have some amazing, well, you have amazing

Danny: 00:22:08

guests on there, period but some of the names that I recognize that I wanted

Danny: 00:22:11

to just bring up, You had Lea Thompson, who's a huge teenage crush of mine

Danny: 00:22:17

ever since I saw her in Some Kind of Wonderful, and that's never gone away.

Danny: 00:22:21

You had Robbie Tacak of the Goo Goo Dolls, Alex Winter, the actor you

Danny: 00:22:25

know, obviously most well known, I guess, for the Bill and Ted movies.

Danny: 00:22:29

And then recently, the most recent episode I listened to was with

Danny: 00:22:32

Gloria Gaynor, massive disco queen.

Danny: 00:22:35

So I'm curious with some of these guests that you have on, being more sort of

Danny: 00:22:39

celebrity or more well known, obviously.

Danny: 00:22:41

You've got very interesting and very well known guests in their niches.

Danny: 00:22:45

But with these particular guests, what was your process for identifying which

Danny: 00:22:49

ones you wanted to bring on to the show and then actually getting them on?

Sean: 00:22:54

Let me just say that I have got some Outstanding

Sean: 00:22:59

talent, bookers, and everything.

Sean: 00:23:02

I have a archive right now that if I'd stopped recording and just put out an

Sean: 00:23:09

episode from all my archives of things that I've gotten in the last three

Sean: 00:23:14

months, I have 50 or so episodes that I could put out right here, right now.

Sean: 00:23:22

And you'd still.

Sean: 00:23:25

They'd still be incredible.

Sean: 00:23:27

The basis of it is if they are willing to tell a story,

Sean: 00:23:34

I am willing to listen to it.

Sean: 00:23:37

I think that's what's different, you know, with Gloria Gaynor, that

Sean: 00:23:43

whole, you know, Gloria's episode was basically promoting, I will survive

Sean: 00:23:48

her, her, her documentary movie.

Sean: 00:23:52

You know, it's one of those things of one of the questions in the Rocking

Sean: 00:23:56

Eight was what was the hardest course you had for your bachelor's

Sean: 00:24:00

in behavioral science degree that she just got and she's like statistics.

Sean: 00:24:05

I hate statistics.

Sean: 00:24:06

And it opened her up in a way that by allowing that in,

Sean: 00:24:14

you found out more about her.

Sean: 00:24:17

And I've got incredible people who say, Sean, I've got X.

Sean: 00:24:23

Can you fit him or her in?

Sean: 00:24:26

And that is the ultimate honor to me.

Sean: 00:24:28

I've had actors, authors, you know, and I've got things that were, where.

Sean: 00:24:34

You know, this stuff goes on the radio, and then it also goes on

Sean: 00:24:37

to my goes on to the podcast.

Sean: 00:24:40

The key to finding who you want and who you, who you want in is there

Sean: 00:24:47

are some people that have told me, Sean, you need to do just actors.

Sean: 00:24:52

You need to do just artists.

Sean: 00:24:54

You need to do just artists.

Sean: 00:24:55

Authors, but I won't do it.

Sean: 00:24:58

I'm not going to conform to a specific niche.

Sean: 00:25:03

You know, I could do, I could, with every author out there,

Sean: 00:25:07

I could do an author a day.

Sean: 00:25:10

Every day and still not touch all the authors that are out there with actors

Sean: 00:25:17

and artists coming up, I'm going to have a conversation with Elizabeth Hurley.

Sean: 00:25:21

And the main focus is going to be on her son, Damien and the new movie he

Sean: 00:25:27

directed, which he got his mom to play in.

Sean: 00:25:31

He's like, she's like, Hey, when, when you do your first movie, I'll

Sean: 00:25:35

be in it and he said, I'm, I'm, I'm going to call you in for that.

Sean: 00:25:40

When these opportunities are there, they're presented to me.

Sean: 00:25:44

I'll either say yes or no, and that's it.

Sean: 00:25:48

It's, it's a matter of one of the rules that I have and.

Sean: 00:25:53

I take it from my grandfather.

Sean: 00:25:55

My grandfather said, the following subjects should not be talked

Sean: 00:25:59

about at the dinner table.

Sean: 00:26:01

Religion, politics, sex.

Sean: 00:26:05

And I try to, as the hardest, to I've had political figures on.

Sean: 00:26:12

You know, I had Newt Gingrich on.

Sean: 00:26:14

And Newt Gingrich, you know, it was, you know, talking about a

Sean: 00:26:19

political, you know, a political book.

Sean: 00:26:23

First question I asked him was about his thesis that he did to graduate college.

Sean: 00:26:32

Opened up him up to a different level.

Sean: 00:26:35

He sent me a personal thank you saying that this was the

Sean: 00:26:38

best interview he ever had.

Sean: 00:26:40

And three, the key, the key part of the whole thing is we

Sean: 00:26:45

never got into the politics.

Sean: 00:26:48

I don't want to have where my guests feel like, you know, my listeners

Sean: 00:26:54

feel like Sean's going to have another liberal conservative independent.

Sean: 00:27:01

I want them to say, Sean's got someone who, who's And he's going

Sean: 00:27:04

to get them to tell us a story.

Sean: 00:27:07

That's what I want.

Sean: 00:27:08

I don't want to deal with stuff that makes one side or the other cringe.

Sean: 00:27:15

Everyone has a story.

Sean: 00:27:17

Everyone has that opportunity to tell a story.

Sean: 00:27:22

We may not be good at it, but that's the thing.

Sean: 00:27:26

You know, I had, I had somebody who, who wanted to come on the show and no

Sean: 00:27:31

matter what I tried, they were not going, we're not going to do the Rocking Eight.

Sean: 00:27:37

I'm not going to do one big question.

Sean: 00:27:39

I'm just going to give you my talking points.

Sean: 00:27:41

And I said, have a nice day.

Sean: 00:27:44

I didn't do it.

Sean: 00:27:46

I Danny, I, I don't want to be like everything else.

Sean: 00:27:53

I had somebody who's a podcast.

Sean: 00:27:55

Expert something to come to me and said, well, you don't put a lot of you in there.

Sean: 00:28:00

Nobody knows who you are.

Sean: 00:28:02

And I'm like, that's great.

Sean: 00:28:05

The only thing that's that's that needs to be there is Beyond

Sean: 00:28:09

the Mic with Sean Dillon, that's the only part where you're over.

Sean: 00:28:12

And I don't even say my name.

Sean: 00:28:14

I would say Beyond the Mic, you know, and Anna Wigg, great voiceover artist intros

Sean: 00:28:20

the show, and then we go right into it.

Sean: 00:28:23

I'm not going to bore you with fluff.

Sean: 00:28:25

I'm not going to make it where you have to listen to 10 minutes of me telling

Sean: 00:28:30

you about what happened in my week.

Sean: 00:28:32

I am a conduit to a story.

Sean: 00:28:36

That's it.

Sean: 00:28:37

I will bring up my kids occasionally when it is relevant to a guest, but

Sean: 00:28:42

other than that, it's not about me.

Sean: 00:28:47

Never about me.

Sean: 00:28:48

It is always about the guest.

Sean: 00:28:53

I'm different.

Sean: 00:28:54

I don't, I don't know what else to, I don't know what else to say to any,

Sean: 00:28:59

because the thing is, is that I am here to tell a story and to share a story.

Sean: 00:29:04

Whether I am 5, 438th in the arts chart, or 500th in the arts chart,

Sean: 00:29:12

or number one in the arts chart, I'm still going to tell a story.

Danny: 00:29:16

And speaking of stories, a little birdie, well you, mentioned

Danny: 00:29:22

that you once drove a golf cart with Oprah and Burl Ives as your passengers.

Danny: 00:29:28

And I've just got to say, spill the beans, man.

Danny: 00:29:30

But what's going on now?

Sean: 00:29:33

Okay.

Sean: 00:29:34

This is my other podcast is gets this, this is an exclusive.

Sean: 00:29:39

No one's heard this story before.

Sean: 00:29:41

So when I was 17 and 18, I drove carts, golf carts in the Cleveland International

Sean: 00:29:50

Airport for a security company.

Sean: 00:29:52

And so I was in charge of taking handicapped persons and VIPs

Sean: 00:29:59

to the gate long way away.

Sean: 00:30:03

And so when VIPs would come, they're like, Sean, don't say anything.

Sean: 00:30:09

Don't ask for anything.

Sean: 00:30:11

Just get into the gate.

Sean: 00:30:13

And I'd go, okay, sir, I got you.

Sean: 00:30:16

And one day Oprah Winfrey comes in with a entourage of

Sean: 00:30:22

entourage filling up every seat.

Sean: 00:30:25

And I was going to talk to her, I couldn't get in that word in an edgewise, she

Sean: 00:30:32

wanted to know everything about me.

Sean: 00:30:34

And so I took it, took her to the gate.

Sean: 00:30:38

She signed it.

Sean: 00:30:39

She said, I want to give you an autograph.

Sean: 00:30:41

Found something.

Sean: 00:30:42

And she signed, you know, to Sean, thanks for the ride, Oprah.

Sean: 00:30:45

I still have it to this day.

Sean: 00:30:48

And then I just created, I've got an autograph book and the

Sean: 00:30:52

autograph book was always on the front page of the, the front seat.

Sean: 00:30:56

So if anyone wanted to sign the book and I had sports stars and celebrities in.

Sean: 00:31:03

Burl Ives, at this time is right before he passed, came and was going

Sean: 00:31:09

on a plane ride, took him to the gate and he re he's like, I'm not

Sean: 00:31:17

going to write an autograph book.

Sean: 00:31:19

I'm going to give you something special.

Sean: 00:31:22

And he found out about me because he wouldn't, again, another person

Sean: 00:31:27

that went, would, would, wanted to, wanted to talk and tell stories.

Sean: 00:31:32

And ask me about me and, you know, with a name like Sean, you're a good Irishman.

Sean: 00:31:39

And then when he found out I had brothers and sisters with Tara,

Sean: 00:31:42

Patrick, Kirsten, Kelly, Liam.

Sean: 00:31:44

You know, so I have a folder that's To Sean, you know, a

Sean: 00:31:48

good Irishman, I once lived near Limerick for a time, for our lives.

Sean: 00:31:54

And so, for, for that, those rides helped me.

Sean: 00:32:01

Keep in my mind that sometimes it's not about the star, it's about

Sean: 00:32:09

the person that the Star is with.

Danny: 00:32:12

Right?

Sean: 00:32:13

It's Danny, it's, it's never gonna be about me.

Sean: 00:32:16

It's gonna be somebody else's story.

Sean: 00:32:18

You know, for the rock in 25, I take my audio out and let the Jeff

Sean: 00:32:25

Jarrett and Pete get the glory.

Sean: 00:32:28

I don't have to have a parade for me.

Sean: 00:32:32

It's not my story.

Sean: 00:32:33

And so, so for Oprah and Burl and George Peppard and Brooke Shields, all the people

Sean: 00:32:41

I've met during that time in Cleveland.

Sean: 00:32:46

It was nice.

Sean: 00:32:46

It was cool, but I learned more about how they perceived people and how

Sean: 00:32:54

they wanted people to perceive them.

Danny: 00:32:57

And I think we can forget that because it's obviously

Danny: 00:32:59

there's huge celebrities.

Danny: 00:33:00

Very well known.

Danny: 00:33:01

Oprah, mega media mogul, obviously.

Danny: 00:33:05

And I think sometimes we forget there's still a normal person, like

Danny: 00:33:08

normal air quotes for anybody that's listening to the audio version of this.

Danny: 00:33:11

But we sometimes forget they're just normal people behind the celebrity.

Danny: 00:33:14

And.

Danny: 00:33:15

They do just want to talk to someone and have a normal conversation and

Danny: 00:33:19

find out about the people that they experience for a moment of their

Danny: 00:33:22

day or a moment of their time.

Danny: 00:33:23

And I feel there's like a show in there as well, like maybe even a

Danny: 00:33:27

video show where you're, you're going about in your golf buggy, your golf

Danny: 00:33:30

cart, and you've got a celebrity.

Danny: 00:33:31

It's almost like what's that carpool karaoke before carpool karaoke came

Danny: 00:33:34

along, but the spoken version, I think that'd be a cool concept, you know, where

Danny: 00:33:38

the, the, the celebrities are basically interviewing you as opposed to vice versa.

Sean: 00:33:44

It's, it's all, all so interesting.

Sean: 00:33:47

But the funny part is, is that I really don't do a lot of interviews.

Sean: 00:33:51

I mean, you're probably, you're probably the second person

Sean: 00:33:54

that I've allowed to interview.

Sean: 00:33:56

No third person I've allowed to interview me in this.

Sean: 00:33:59

And the reason is, is that it's not my story.

Sean: 00:34:03

If you want to hear my story, I'll tell it to you.

Sean: 00:34:05

I'll I could, I could tell you about, you know, how, how I got

Sean: 00:34:09

into radio and escaping from.

Sean: 00:34:12

From being a, a Radio Shack store manager, you know, I like hearing people's stories.

Sean: 00:34:20

One of the things that caused me to do this is when you're the oldest of six

Sean: 00:34:25

kids and you go to a big, huge family reunion of 300 people and you know,

Sean: 00:34:32

There's, there's like nine, 10 kids you know, of our age of seven or seven to

Sean: 00:34:38

10, you know, you have to, to learn to talk to older people real quick because,

Sean: 00:34:44

you know, that's, that's what it is.

Sean: 00:34:48

So having conversations was.

Sean: 00:34:51

a better way of having a conversation and listening to what people are asking

Sean: 00:34:56

are sometimes better use of our time.

Danny: 00:35:01

And I feel that's a really nice segue into for people that

Danny: 00:35:06

want to know more about Sean.

Danny: 00:35:08

I know you're saying that it's not about you and I completely get that.

Danny: 00:35:12

But for people that do want to know about you, Sean, whether

Danny: 00:35:16

that's on the Rockin 25 College

Danny: 00:35:18

basketball show, the Beyond the Mic show, which I do feel Anybody

Danny: 00:35:22

that enjoys storytelling and getting to know a bit more about people that

Danny: 00:35:26

they thought they might have known, where can people connect with you?

Danny: 00:35:30

Listen to the podcasts, et cetera.

Sean: 00:35:32

Okay.

Sean: 00:35:32

For the Rockin 25, it's available wherever you find pocket podcast, R O C K I N.

Sean: 00:35:40

And for Beyond the Mic, you can be on the mic is everywhere.

Sean: 00:35:45

You can find it on the good pods app.

Sean: 00:35:47

You can find it on Beyond the Mic.

Sean: 00:35:49

com, Apple.

Sean: 00:35:51

It's everywhere.

Danny: 00:35:53

All the good places and some not so good places to like, it's, it's like

Danny: 00:35:56

the ad where you can you can find it in all good bookstores or all good record

Danny: 00:35:59

stores on a new book or album comes out.

Sean: 00:36:01

Yeah.

Sean: 00:36:02

But, but.

Sean: 00:36:03

Danny, wouldn't it be nice where you could go Beyond the Mic available in all sketchy

Sean: 00:36:07

places that you wouldn't normally go to?

Sean: 00:36:09

It'd be great.

Sean: 00:36:11

It'd be awesome.

Sean: 00:36:12

It'd be, it'd be awesome.

Sean: 00:36:13

I might do that for an outro one time.

Sean: 00:36:15

Yes.

Sean: 00:36:16

Please like, subscribe and find us in all the sketchy places that you never know.

Danny: 00:36:21

That'd be, that'd be like a cool guerrilla marketing thing where you get

Danny: 00:36:24

sort of little stickers made with maybe a QR codes or whatever you wanted to have.

Danny: 00:36:29

And you just say, okay obviously your, your rock and radio show is, it's kind

Danny: 00:36:33

of based around the Texas Lubbock, Texas city, but it handles all sports.

Danny: 00:36:37

But say, okay, if you go into this local college basketball Cafeteria

Danny: 00:36:40

or coffee shop or something and you find this little sticker.

Danny: 00:36:43

You'll get this little bonus But you've got this cool little almost like a

Danny: 00:36:46

little mini treasure hunt I think that you should do that mate and put them

Danny: 00:36:49

in some sketchy areas as well Though little dive bars and and stuff because

Danny: 00:36:53

ecology is gonna be dive bars in there

Sean: 00:36:55

Dive bars and you know, if the post office doesn't kick you out, you know, you

Sean: 00:37:00

put it on all the wanted posters, you know

Danny: 00:37:03

I think I'm going to run into something here.

Danny: 00:37:05

You need to trademark that right away, mate.

Danny: 00:37:07

Get it, get it locked in, locked and loaded in.

Danny: 00:37:10

So Sean, I really appreciate you coming on.

Danny: 00:37:12

I could spend another half an hour, 40 minutes more chatting with you,

Danny: 00:37:16

but I really appreciate you coming on and no doubt, I know I'm going to

Danny: 00:37:19

continue listening to Beyond the Mic, and you know what, I'm going to start

Danny: 00:37:22

listening to more of the Rockin 25 and see if I can understand the college

Danny: 00:37:26

basketball and get a little bit more knowledge there for this Brit that's

Danny: 00:37:30

delving into, you know, American sports.

Sean: 00:37:33

All I'm going to tell you is this right now, March is the

Sean: 00:37:37

perfect time because the NCAA tournament is about ready to come.

Sean: 00:37:41

We're going to educate you.

Sean: 00:37:42

We're going to help you fill out a bracket.

Sean: 00:37:45

You've probably never filled out a bracket before, but you can fill

Sean: 00:37:48

out a bracket and follow along and.

Sean: 00:37:51

I'm just going to give you a tip, don't pick any of the 16 seeds.

Sean: 00:37:54

Just don't.

Danny: 00:37:56

Even though it'd be a good story and a good underdog

Danny: 00:37:57

story, don't pick the 16 seeds.

Sean: 00:38:00

I wouldn't pick any 16 seeds this year.

Danny: 00:38:03

I will keep that in mind.

Danny: 00:38:04

So again, Sean, thanks so much for appearing on the show today.

Danny: 00:38:07

Danny, thank you so much.

Danny: 00:38:10

So thank you for joining us today on My Other Podcast Is.

Danny: 00:38:13

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Danny: 00:38:16

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Danny: 00:38:20

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Danny: 00:38:22

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Danny: 00:38:26

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Danny: 00:38:37

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Danny: 00:38:38

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Danny: 00:38:53

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