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Episode 17 • 2nd October 2023 • Listening for Clues • On the Journey with Jon & Lauren
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We are honored to have the Rev. Arianne Rice, Rector of the Episcopal Church of the Good Shepherd, Towson, MD. Arianne speaks with us about podcasting, leadership coaching and mission work at St. Luke's Youth Center.

Highlights:

00:00 Feeling Beings Who Think

00:00 Introduction

02:12 How Did You Get Involved in Podcasting and Leadership Development?

04:04 Becoming a Priest

07:47 Personal Tragedies

10:44 A New Beginning

14:32 Executive Coaching

19:21 Arianne's Podcast: "Feeling Beings Who Think"

26:46 Surprises Along the Way

31:23 Contacting Arianne

32:51 St. Luke's Youth Center (SLYC)

36:20 Thanks

Resources mentioned in this episode:

GOOD SHEPHERD WEBSITE: https://www.church.goodshepherdruxton.org/

Arianne's Facebook group

Arianne's Facebook page

@feelingbeingswhothink on Instagram

Arianne's Website

Arianne on YouTube

The Rev. Arianne Rice is an ordained Episcopal priest, engaging presenter, facilitator, and ACC certified Leadership Coach who works with individuals and groups to harness the power of emotional intelligence and cultivate capacities of spiritual leadership - i.e. leading with discernment, presence, mindfulness, and compassionate self-examination. She is also a Certified Daring Way Facilitator utilizing the methodology developed by Dr. Brené Brown for understanding the power of vulnerability and the necessity of cultivating shame-resilience skills for adaptive leadership. For the past twelve years she has served with the community of The Church of the Good Shepherd, Towson as Rector and is the Board President of St. Luke's Youth Center (SLYC) a collaborative of West Baltimore families working together to provide youth with critical resources, life-enriching experiences, and a safety-net of support.

Listening for Clues is pleased to present our new series, "Good News!" featuring weekly conversations with people who are making a difference, large or small. We want everyone to know what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how. So, our listeners and viewers can experience the good news and go out and make a difference themselves.

Listening for Clues invites you into conversations that discover clues, rather than solutions to life’s problems. Join the journey with Jon Shematek and Lauren Welch, Episcopal deacons, as we explore whatever lies ahead. Check our website Listening for Clues.

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Jon: Welcome to Good News, being

brought to you by Listening for Clues.

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Lauren: We are Lauren Welch and

Jon Shematek, deacons in the

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Episcopal Diocese of Maryland.

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Jon: We sure are, and today we have a very

special guest, the Reverend Arianne Rice.

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Arianne is an ordained Episcopal priest,

an engaging presenter, facilitator,

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and ACC certified leadership coach.

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She works with individuals and

groups to harness the power of

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emotional intelligence and cultivate

capacities of spiritual leadership,

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that is, leading with discernment.

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Presence, mindfulness, and

compassionate self examination.

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She is also a certified Daring

Way facilitator, utilizing the

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methodology developed by Dr.

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Brené Brown for understanding

the power of vulnerability.

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and the necessity of cultivating shame

resilience skills for adaptive leadership.

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For the past 12 years, Ariane has served

the community of the Church of the Good

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Shepherd in Towson, Maryland as rector,

and she is the board president of St.

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Luke's Youth Center.

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SLYC, a collaborative of West Baltimore

families working together to provide youth

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with critical resources, life enriching

experiences and a safety net of support.

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Welcome Arianne.

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We're really thrilled to

have you with us today.

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Arianne: Thanks.

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It's great to be here.

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It's strange and humbling to

hear one's bio read aloud.

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Jon: It's an extensive one.

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We're really excited

to hear more about you.

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Lauren: It's a joy to have

you with us today, Ariane.

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So, tell us, what inspired you to

begin this journey into podcasting

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and leadership development?

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Arianne: Well, I guess the short

answer in The, the big lane that

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the three of us share is Jesus.

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And then there's of course a much

longer and more complicated answer.

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So podcasting, I feel like I listened and.

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I was a consumer of podcasts long

before there was even the word podcast.

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I remember singing with an opera company

in Central Florida in, well, I'm not gonna

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say the age, a long time ago, downloading

on my little e machine computer

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episodes of This American Life, which

probably was one of the first podcasts.

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But it started as probably a lot of.

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People listening know as a

incredible and still thriving

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show on NPR of story sharing.

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And I loved listening to stories.

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It's where I discovered the writer

David Sedaris, who's a pretty

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well known humorist and essayist.

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And I just felt like when I listened in

that intimate way to people sharing from

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the, their own lived experience, I always

came away with something, even if their

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experience was so different than mine

or in some ways similar in some ways,

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I guess it was like having colleagues

and friends around me when I had moved

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to this place that I lived in for a

very short time, because at that time I

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was pursuing a very different vocation.

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so I think that's kind of when I started

with podcasts and continued listening

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to them as a way of getting whatever

I wanted to hear, wherever I was.

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And then I would say many things happened.

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I went into the priesthood in.

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2003, I began my discernment for ordained

istry and started seminary in:

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My first congregation was in St.

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Philip's Episcopal Church in Durham,

North Carolina, which was a place

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I never thought I'd live you know,

just never imagined being, and fell

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in love with being in a parish..

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I actually started seminary kind of

thinking I would go into academia.

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And then from St.

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Philip's came here to Baltimore because

at the time I had a very definitive

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mindset around the path one was supposed

to take in the career of being a priest.

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And the next step in that career, as I saw

it, was to go from being an assistant at a

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larger church to being rector of maybe not

so quite a big church, to then go on to

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be rector of bigger and bigger churches.

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And I'm sure this sounds

familiar to people who do.

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I do for a living.

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I no longer ascribe to that

methodology, by the way.

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Life has taught me much wiser

things I always loved when I was an

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associate, probably a little more so

than in my role as rector, being with

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adults in their formation process.

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I did that a lot at my seminary

and field placement at St.

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Luke in the Fields in the

West Village in Manhattan.

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And as an adult who kind of rediscovered

Jesus through the Episcopal Church,

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I was raised Roman Catholic for

the most part, had a very positive

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experience in the Roman Catholic

Church until just before I left.

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And to rediscover my faith

through the Episcopal Church was

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a glorious adventure in some ways.

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Like falling in love, falling

in love with liturgy, falling in

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love with a way of thinking about

God that was sort of new to me.

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I see you're nodding heads because

I'm sure you share this sentiment.

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And so I always loved that aspect of

being a priest that you not only got to

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do your own deep dive, but then you got

to journey with people in looking at their

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own life, reflecting on their own life.

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And the gospel, I would say, that

really inspired me was sort of,

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it's one everybody knows and we

hear it in many different forms.

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it's when Jesus says, you know,

before you take out the speck

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in your neighbor's eye, Sure.

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You take a look at that

log in your own eye.

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And I think when you go

into ordained ministry

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there's an invitation to do some real

self examination as to why you are called.

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That word is, you know, very full

of meaning and association we leave

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it for religious folks, and it's not

just for religious folks by any means.

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It has to do with our passions,

what helps us come alive, what makes

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us feel like we were born to do.

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But why?

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Why do you feel called to do that?

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And I took advantage of classes at

Union Seminary with Anne Ulanoff in

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particular, who's a pretty famous Jungian

psychoanalyst and writer I began my own

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Psychotherapeutic work because I thought

it was very important for clergy to do

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self examination if you're going to be

with people, particularly in crises.

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Anyway, all of that was a part of

my call to really wanting to be with

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adults in their own spiritual growth.

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So to get back to that question

around leadership development.

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I was rector.

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I mean, everybody's a leader.

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I kind of think we all lead

in different capacities, but

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we're all leaders in some way.

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Rector, you're in a kind

of obvious leadership role.

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And in my third year here, I had a pretty

devastating year because of a couple

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of things that happened in my life.

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Two of which were

exceedingly unanticipated.

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One was I began process to become

separated and I'm now divorced from my

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first husband and my sister ended her life

two months after I announced that to the

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congregation and I'm the oldest of three.

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And it was both, my sister struggled

with mental illness for a very long

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time and addiction and so it's going

to take me a minute because when

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I kind of bring it up, it's close.

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So

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it was two very big endings in a

way that was very hard rendering.

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And at my church that year,

we had a series of tragedies.

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Just one after the other.

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We had a vestry member who was

hit by a wave in Ocean City.

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His neck was broken.

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I drove into Salisbury to be

with their family as we ended

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the life sustaining treatment.

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We had another member of the

congregation who was only in

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his late 30s he ended his life.

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Four months later, my former father in

law was given a diagnosis of esophageal

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cancer and died within two months.

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And so, attending a funeral as a not

quite divorced, but definitely separated

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person is, I mean, it was, and that

wasn't all of it, and then besides,

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there were the regular funerals and

all of that culminated in one of the

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most tragic events that we collectively

have lived through in this diocese,

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which was I was part of the search

committee that calls Heather Cook.

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So it was a very dark year and

podcasts, believe it or not

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they kind of like saved my life.

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I don't know how else to say when I

had a day off and I'm, I'm pretty good

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about making sure I keep my day off.

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I would just spend hours walking

and listening to a podcast.

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, the intimacy of being with people

who opened their hearts, shared their

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journeys, what gave them strength.

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When they felt the way I did, even

though their circumstances were so

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different, it was very sustaining.

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And I...

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Loved the format of it.

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I certainly love reading and there's

preaching as a way that people take things

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in and it's a way we take things in as

preachers in order to deliver a sermon.

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But there's just something about podcasts.

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I don't know.

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It's, it's an intimate conversation

that you get to just sit and listen to.

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You don't have to participate in it.

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And yet you get all the benefits of

really being in a room with people.

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So I loved it and it was life sustaining.

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And then kind of, I would say without

a doubt, what really pulled me out of

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that year into sort of seeing life would

be beginning again, was number one, I

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will say the support of my congregation.

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they were, they were

incredibly supportive people.

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I've been here a while and have

deep relationships and love for.

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So that would be number one.

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Number two would be my therapist.

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I'm a big believer in therapy, especially

when we're going through difficult times.

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We need a skilled professional

to, to walk with us.

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Spiritual director, of course the

Episcopal Diocese of Texas issued a

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call to the entire church that they

would be offering a Daring Way training

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for any clergy in the Episcopal

Church that wanted a subsidized

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week of learning to be certified.

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I hadn't actually read Brene Brown's

books at that point, but I had heard

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her on a podcast with Krista Tippett and

I must've listened to that podcast 50

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times and I just could not believe how,

not only did I feel very akin to what

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she was saying, like it resonated for

me, it resonated with all my theology.

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With everything I thought about Jesus

and vulnerability and walking the way

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of the cross and meeting people where

they are and saying time and time

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again, whatever you're ashamed of,

nope, it's, you know, God loves you.

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And I'm here to tell you there is no

shame because there just doesn't exist

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in the giant capacity of God that

we can't completely conceptualize.

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So I signed right up.

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And spent a week in Texas

that was transformative.

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Still, you know, colleagues and

friends with some of the people who

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went through that training with me.

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Almost all of whom I know have

utilized that training in a

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vocational, professional capacity.

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And kudos to Brene Brown and

the Daring Way organization.

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I don't know that I've ever

really experienced such

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incredible adult formation.

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and training and a real freedom of

saying, we are teaching you this

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because we want you to utilize it in

your field as a caring professional.

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I was with therapists and counselors.

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I came back on fire with the Daring

Way and I will say, I think I

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made a bit of a mistake by doing

what some of us do sometimes.

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And we get really excited about it,

want everybody to learn it and do it.

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I did that and you know, live and learn

but I did find ways at church, but

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also Well for the Journey, which is a

nonprofit here in Baltimore, Maryland.

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Maybeth Hudson is the founder of it.

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It's been in operation

over 20 years and she.

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Is also a parishioner at Church of

the Good Shepherd and they offer

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classes and opportunities for adults

who are spiritually curious in a

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lot of different capacities to you

know, seek out a class or a course.

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So I did some book studies on Brené

Brown and I offered some of the

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intensives workshops . And then

this is like the longest answer to a

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question I've ever taken in my life.

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Then, fade out, fade in, I

was co facilitating with a

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colleague here in Baltimore.

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And he was, he had just left

becoming a lawyer, a very high

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level partner at a law firm, and

was going into leadership coaching.

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And he kept saying to

me, you need to do this.

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You are going to love this.

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I mean, this Georgetown program

for transformational leadership

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and you're going to love it.

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I didn't really know what coaching was.

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I thought coaching was more

what is considered consulting

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or advising or mentoring.

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You know, you come to me with a

problem and I help you fix it.

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And that's not what coaching is.

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Coaching is learning how to empower

individuals to cultivate capacities

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within themselves that they want.

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to grow because typically they've reached

a point in their career where they can

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do things expertly and yet there's a

sense of being unfulfilled or there's a

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sense of maybe being asked to move into a

leadership role and they're spending all

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their time with the busy work because they

feel we feel really good when we do a lot

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of busy work but how do I do those other

things that are about deep work right

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that's the real essence of leadership.

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So I took his word for it and applied

and was accepted into the program

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and then COVID happened and what was

supposed to be an in person learning

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experience every month for two days

in DC turned into an online experience

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at first I was of course

really disappointed, but.

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Number one, I do not think I would

have been able to manage the in

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person class because of commuting.

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I think it would have been too much.

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Number two, that time and being online

with people, just like we are right here.

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And now I think you just like in

podcasting, create that intimate space.

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You have an intimate space.

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Communication.

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That's kind of amazing.

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Other coaches say like, you know,

do you miss coaching in person

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or people had started out their

coaching and they did it in person.

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I've never coached people in person.

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It's always been virtually.

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And I think it's my preferred way.

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of, of coaching because there's

something just intimate about, I get

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to stay in my space and yet we get

to create a space together, right?

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Like liturgy, we are creating something.

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And I think that's very powerful.

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So I took the program and, and

kind of learned what coaching

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was as I did the program.

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And again, it aligned with the shame

resilience skills I learned in and

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on the very first day we are being

told, you know, This program is not

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about building your competencies.

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It's about building your capacities,

mindfulness, discernment presence.

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There was a Presbyterian

pastor in my cohort as well.

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We were one, there was I think

three clergy in a cohort of very

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accomplished corporate professionals.

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It was probably the most intimidating

experience I'd had in a long time.

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And I chat boxed him or did the chat

on zoom and was like, wait a minute,

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like this was very stuff, right?

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Like what's happening.

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Jon: What are we doing here?

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Arianne: And that's what it is.

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It really is learning how to have

intentional conversations, like on a

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podcast, an intentional conversation

with a person to help them discover

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within themselves their own wisdom.

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Their own path forward, the resources

that are available to themselves, both

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from within and without the questions

they might be afraid to pose because the

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answers are opening up new possibilities.

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You see how all of this aligns with, see

all things are being made new, right?

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Like it's.

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It's all, it's just all so

beautifully woven together for

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me as a faith based professional.

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I don't do coaching as a priest, right?

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That's, that's a separate, it's separate.

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But of course people know I'm a

priest, it's, it's on my website

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and people want to talk about it.

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You know, we, we want to talk about

the things that have no answers.

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And part of those conversations fall under

the category of faith and spirituality.

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And I'm sure you, like me have not met

someone that does not have a faith story

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from their childhood, from their family.

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Sometimes wonderful, sometimes not so

wonderful, sometimes, you know, really

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shaming, sometimes really empowering

and sometimes something in between.

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So.

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People appreciate, I think, also

sometimes talking to a person who's

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a priest, but is a person first.

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So that is the what?

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20 minute answer.

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Jon: You know what I just loved about

your answer, Arianne, is that it's so

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beautifully integrated all these terrible

tragedies that happened in your life.

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And I thought, gosh I hope we're

heading towards some resurrection.

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And we did.

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But also, you know, the role of

podcasting and how your spiritual

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life is integrated to all of it.

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And your call to being a priest and how

unique that is and how kind of wonderful

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that is you do have a podcast yourself.

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Are you on hiatus at the moment?

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I am.

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Arianne: I just did my first

recording last week for Season 2.

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And I get to interview our

new bishop elect tomorrow.

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Oh,

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Jon: fantastic.

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So, I gotta tell you...

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Bishop elect Carrie Schofield Broadbent

is the reason that I contacted you.

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I was talking with her as I'm a co

chair of the Commission on Ministry

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here, and talking about some things,

getting to know each other, and I said,

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you know, Lauren and I do this podcast.

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She said, do you know Arianne Rice?

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And I said, well, not really.

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So that's why we're here today, but I

gotta tell you, I want to kind of get back

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to your podcast, because I'm so glad it's,

I knew it was, Just you kind of were right

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around Easter of this year back in April

and it's now mid August She's coming back.

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You promised you'd be back Great and

so your podcast is "Feeling Beings Who

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Think" that's the name of it, right?

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Yeah, so I want to hear a little bit

more about that, but I also wanted to

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tell you That I happened to listen to

your last one that got posted when you

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spoke with your colleague and friend

the very Reverend Jonah Kendall.

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When you mentioned intimacy and deep,

deep stuff that comes out in those, I

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mean, as I was listening to his story and

your part in it as well, this amazing,

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and horrific loss that he and his wife

experienced with a stillborn baby.

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I mean, like everybody who

listens, who really listens.

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How can you not have tears in that?

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Yeah.

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And I thought, wow, this

is, this is intimacy.

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So can you talk a little bit about Feeling

Beings Who Think and how that's all

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working for you and for your listeners?

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Arianne: Sure.

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So, you know, having loved podcasts

and kind of wanting to do it.

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And, you know, there's this weird thing

again, I'm sure you two can relate to it.

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It's like, you want to share

something with the world.

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That's a part of you.

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And you also don't want to look like

you're so filled with yourselves at all.

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Share your writing and your work.

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But, you know, one of the things that

I don't think you realize when you

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go into the church as a profession.

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Is that, you know, our vocational

life is not completely fulfilled with

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our professional identity, right?

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So my professional identity is that I am a

rector of the Church of the Good Shepherd.

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And that, that's a very specific job.

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You know, there's, there's things

I have to do as, as director.

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But all the spiritual pursuits

and all the vocational Charisms

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that I feel called to explore.

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I want to also explore in the world.

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And I like having a foot, sort of,

in the church and also in the world.

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And The podcast was one way

I thought I could do that.

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I struggled with blog writing and

I just thought, you know what?

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I just think I'm going to try.

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So I ordered a microphone and it, you

know, I stared at it for like six months.

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Yeah.

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You just don't even know.

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And then you just start, you know,

and I knew I wanted to talk to

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working in the church and I'm blown

away by the support and wisdom of my

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friends and colleagues, you know, and

they've all done significant work.

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They're not famous authors, all of them,

but they're pretty incredible people.

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And I've certainly had some amazing

experiences and profound life

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changing experiences with some of

them because of our time together.

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So So I just started, and I just started

booking people, and I just used Zoom, and

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I all of a sudden it was just happening.

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I don't know what else to say.

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struggle with the title.

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What do you call it?

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And you Google 5, 000 things

that come to mind, and they're,

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oh, that's already a title.

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And then a really good friend of mine

she does crafts and she engraves like

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beautiful handwritten things on metal.

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And she once wanted to

send me a thank you.

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And she's like, what's one of

your favorite Brene Brown sayings?

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And I said, it's we want to believe we

are thinking beings who sometimes feel.

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But the truth is, we are feeling beings

who sometimes think, and not always well

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and it's, that's a core belief of mine.

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You know, just a moment ago, I'm

telling you a very personal story.

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And when I call to mind my

sister, it brings up emotions.

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How could it not?

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And I want to believe I've cultivated the

emotional intelligence to allow myself

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to feel that without feeling ashamed.

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And then to pull myself back

into the conversation in a

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way that we can continue.

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And I think how we feel determines

and dictates and guides what we say,

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what we do, the narrative we start

creating in our head, because we are

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creating those narratives all the time.

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And I really wanted to talk

with people about that.

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because I wanted to

talk with them about...

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Story.

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And I knew that once somebody started

talking to me about their life and some

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capacity, I would know, I would start

asking questions because again, coaching

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has really helped me strengthen curiosity.

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And how do you ask somebody a powerful

question, a question that leads to more?

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And not just an answer, right?

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So that's why it's called feeling beings

who think I'm actually working with

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somebody who thinks that maybe I should

change the name, but I don't know.

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I don't know right now.

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I'm just, I'm going with it.

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I'm gonna, I'm going to give

myself a little more time.

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I was releasing an episode every week

and I released 32 in season one and I'm

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using zoom and using it, doing it myself.

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So it was kind of consuming.

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My weekends and I decided I took just, and

that's the thing with podcasting, right?

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You can put out as much

content as you want.

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Like the only thing that

prohibits the content is how

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much time you have to do it.

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So I realized I needed to pull

back and, and the Holy Spirit

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just lined everything up, right?

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Like I just had the guests and then it

all of a sudden came to a conclusion.

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I was like, okay, I'm going

to pause, didn't know how

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long, but I needed the summer.

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And, now I'm excited to get started again.

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I have some conversations

scheduled and I'm eager.

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Fantastic.

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Jon: Will it be weekly?

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Arianne: I don't think so.

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I think it's going to be bi weekly

or it may even be like I'm going

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to release it when it's released

and that's when it's released.

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I want to try and use my own self

compassion muscle, which constantly

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needs to be stretched, to Cause I'm

the only one putting any limits on it.

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I'll call my friend and be, you

know, upset about something.

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And he's like, Arianne, this is you.

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It's like, you're the

boss, you're the worker.

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You're just, so just

do what's best for you.

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And it's

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Jon: supposed to be

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Arianne: fun.

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Yes, exactly.

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You know,

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Lauren: yeah.

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And we always have to use discernment.

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I mean, you help others learn how

to discern, but we're continually

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learning to discern ourselves too.

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Amen.

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And, and, and to be good to ourselves.

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And Jon and I have said

we'll do this as long

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Arianne: as we're having fun.

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Yes.

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That's a, that's a very good goal.

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Has

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Lauren: there been anything in

all this that truly surprised you?

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Arianne: Honestly coaching

was a huge surprise.

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I'm a person that sometimes has

felt it's my job to fix things.

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I do.

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I certainly think it's tied into why I

do what I do for a living as a priest.

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And learning to be a coach

was having to stop doing that.

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I mean, it truly being a

facilitator, you don't do it either.

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I think truly actually being a mature

human being, you realize what's mine

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to do and what's not mine to do.

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And a lot of the time that other people's

issues are not mine to do, or certain

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situations aren't all mine to do.

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I need, I need help doing them.

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I've learned a lot of that from SLYC,

by the way, when you brought up St.

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Luke's Youth Center.

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Which is also, I do want to

talk about that a little bit.

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It's just been one of the most

phenomenal aspects of my ministry.

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So coaching I remember my advisor in

the program, she was like, you're going

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to have a really hard time with this.

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She's like, because you're

an expert at things.

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You know how I said, like I came back from

Daring Way and wanted to make everybody

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like fall in love with Brene Brown.

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Just because I think something should

be a certain way or done a certain

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way does not mean the whole world

thinks it should be done that way.

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And just because somebody's asking

for help or advice, sometimes maybe

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I think the better thing you can

do is offer back another question.

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Like, I'm sure you share with me,

sometimes the most fun part about

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preaching is to look at everybody

and say, well, what do you think?

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You know, and Jesus is always doing that.

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Well, what do you think?

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And it's a really empowering statement

and an opening that you can give people.

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And when I've been coached, it's amazing.

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Sometimes the answers that are there

for you and, you know, I said earlier,

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the resources to realize it's okay

to find the people who you need in

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certain situations to support, guide,

help, and learn how to get better

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at asking for, for what you need.

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That's been one of the surprising

things about coaching is, is growing

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in my ability to empower people as

opposed to try and feel like it's

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my responsibility to do the work.

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And I will say some people,

they're not quite ready for that.

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Some people come into leadership

coaching that type of coaching and

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they, they want more of a training

type of thing, which is great.

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Because coaching requires sort of seeing,

it's, it's about more than one fix or,

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or, you know, it's not, it's not one job

that's going to make everything okay.

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It's not one thing in the future

that's going to fix everything.

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It's what can I do right now to start

making small changes that open up new

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perspectives and ways of taking in.

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what's happening and, and making

maybe different choices than I'm just

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accustomed to making all the time.

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Lauren: You're having people to go deeper

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Arianne: well, part of it is the, I think

official term is cognitive reframing.

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So yeah, if you explain a situation

to me, you know, let's say Oh my

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gosh, Jon came into the studio

today and he was really gruff.

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And I know yesterday I told him that I

thought that question he asked so and so.

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Now I'm wondering, is he mad or?

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I can just ask you a bunch of

questions about that, that pretty

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quickly, you could see like, well,

maybe, but that's an assumption.

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And maybe your assumption or

assessment of the situation

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isn't actually what's happening.

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So how else might we reframe the story

you're making up in your head and figure

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out what you might do to learn more

about the situation and figure it out.

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Do you need to figure it out?

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You know, yada, yada, yada.

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And lots of times.

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You know, all of us know what it is

to be in jobs and the people around

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us, if all of them could change, if

all of them could do things our way,

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if everybody in our pews would just

do everything we said, we would be

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able to all have thriving churches.

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If all of them just came to church

more, you get what I'm saying.

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So I can choose to see the world that way.

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I can choose to live that way, or

I can choose to look at myself, my

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patterns, my way of taking in information

and then how I'm interpreting it.

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And maybe I can make some changes.

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It's about being content.

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I think all of us want to be content

and happy in our work, in our love

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we, we want to be feeling good.

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Good news.

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We want it.

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Jon: This is good news.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, you got it.

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So Arianne I'm sure that some of our

viewers and listeners would like to

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find ways to get in touch with you,

whether it's about your work at Good

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Shepherd, or I know you want to talk

about SLYC, so we'll get back to that.

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But at this at this moment, are

there are People want to catch your

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podcast or learn more about how you

provide the leadership coaching.

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How can they find you?

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Arianne: So I have a website, ariannerice.

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com and everything is there.

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The podcast, which is also,

you know, on all the platforms.

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And there's forms that people can get

in touch with me if they want to work

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with me or just want to ask questions

about what working with me or me with

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a group and all of that is there.

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Perfect.

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Jon: We'll have that link in the show

notes for people who aren't watching

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and maybe missed it in in hearing it.

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So, definitely, that's that's great.

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I love your I love your website.

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And I like the, you had some,

there's a part of it, I think

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you said it, it's work with me.

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How can we work together?

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I love that.

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That's great.

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Arianne: And obviously if you're looking

for a great Episcopal church and you

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live in Baltimore or you want to find it

online, it's Church of the Good Shepherd.

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We have our YouTube channel

like everybody else now.

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And you know, we're here on Sundays.

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Jon: Okay.

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Well, we'll definitely put the link for

Good Shepherd in the show notes as well.

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We yeah, it's a great church.

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Got a lot of them in Baltimore,

but that certainly is one

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of the great ones for sure.

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Yeah.

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Lauren: So before we leave, Arianne, you

wanted to talk about your work with SLYC.

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Arianne: Oh, yes, thank you.

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So St.

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Luke's Youth Center, and I hope people

go and listen to the conversation with

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Amanda Talbott who is, She is a phenomenal

human being who truly lives things into

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being she just doesn't think and talk.

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She creates and pulls people together

in ways that are unbelievable.

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And I believe very much shaped by

her late father the Reverend Van

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Gardner, who I know served as Dean

of the Cathedral for over 20 years.

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And I Had the good fortune of

being connected with him when I

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first arrived in Baltimore, and

he brought some clergy to St.

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Luke's church to have gather

us in the undercroft and say

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there was an afterschool thing

happening at this church.

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But the building, you know, was

almost not inhabitable back then.

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Massive building in West Baltimore.

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And Could We Help?

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And instantly I just saw an opportunity

for Church of the Good Shepherd

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community to be connected with a

very different community than the

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community we're a part of every day.

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This church is a suburban church in

a beautiful part of Baltimore County.

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All my ministry experience prior to coming

here was in more urban environments.

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And I just thought this was an

opportunity for us to strengthen

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relationship building and mutual ministry.

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And so we started there in 2012 or 13 and

you know, here I am now in:

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of the board of a nonprofit that is SLYC

was going through the whole iteration of

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that, which should be listened to on the

episode with Amanda, was just one of,

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you know, those experiences, Lauren and

Jon, where it's like, you, you preach

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about how God does amazing things.

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And then you walk away and you're like,

yeah, you know that it's true, but

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then like you experience it in real

time and some ministry that you cannot

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believe has become what it's become.

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Like, you just the things that

happen, they don't make sense.

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They couldn't have been orchestrated.

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And you gather in these moments when SLYC

has camp imagination as we did a couple

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weeks ago or when you're just at the after

school program and you're just there and

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you're like, holy, not a word I would say

on the podcast with a collar on, how, how

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is it possible that this is happening?

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And the thing I really want to say,

especially for, for, for leaders

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and churches in the Baltimore area.

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This has been a huge gift to

Church of the Good Shepherd.

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Our community has been

enriched in this ministry.

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We, when we did camp, I saw parishioners

volunteering at camps that I haven't

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seen on Sunday and since COVID, you know,

they might be online, maybe, but patterns

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change, you know, you guys know the story.

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But it's, it's, it brings life

to the community and it brings,

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we are now forming a relationship

with SLYC, you know, that's, that's

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this, by hands coming together.

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It's co equal.

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It's as of course we still, you know,

recognize that that's just one way

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we participate in reparative justice.

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It just, it is.

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It's one way we take what we

learned in Sacred Ground and

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bring it into our real lives.

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For So I just, I would, I encourage

congregations to just start partnerships

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with SLYC because it's just, and

it's incredible watching these

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kids and, you know just watching

them grow and being with them.

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And it's just awesome.

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It's really life giving.

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Jon: Wow.

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Yeah.

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So this is this is good news

becoming great news, as I keep

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saying over and over so Arianne, I.

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I want to thank you actually I want

to thank Bishop-elect, or she'll be

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Bishop Carrie by the time we're, this

is on the air for bringing us together.

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But I, I so much appreciate your

time with us today and getting

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to know you and hearing all about

your ministry and your podcast.

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This has been a real gift.

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I feel like we've been

on holy ground together.

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Arianne: So thank you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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It's been a real treat for me.

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So I really appreciate the invitation.

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Thank you.

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Lauren: Thank you.

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Thank you, Arianne.

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It's been a joy and Jon and I also

want to thank all those who are

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watching and listening with us today.

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We cannot do this without

your participation.

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So please take a moment to comment.

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Like or share on all your

social media platforms.

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This will help us spread the

good news to even more people.

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And again, thank you for the

gift of your time with us today.

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Until next time, peace and blessings.

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Jon: Good news is being brought

to you by Listening for Clues.

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You can find us on our

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