How can prioritizing holistic healing and connection create an environment where you and your clients feel empowered and connected? How can integrating many holistic modalities foster a sense of community?

MEET Jaclyn Fortier

Jaclyn Fortier is the Clinical Director and Founder of Carolina Counseling Wellness Associates. She designed two commercial property investments into wellness centers for associates to practice specialty mental health care with a collaborative-independent approach. Jaclyn has an extensive clinical background in domestic violence and trauma recovery and now serves as the clinical director at CCWA's two centers. Jaclyn is also a writer, speaker, and advocate for women's safety and abuse prevention. 

Find out more at Carolina Counseling Associates, and connect with Jaclyn at Jaclyn Fortier 

IN THIS PODCAST:

• What does it mean to be holistic 4:25
• How to find balance when running a group practice 14:05
• How to market your practice with multiple modalities 17:37

What Does It Mean To Be Holistic

• Beginning to look at the person as a “whole person”
• What are some holistic modalities and how can they help you heal?
• Group vs. solo practice
• Building a community of holistic practitioners

How To Find Balance When Running A Group Practice

• The importance of health and wellness
• Finding the right practitioners for your practice
• How to find time for rest

How To Market Your Practice With Multiple Modalities

• The importance of SEO and location
• Why you should hire out when growing your business
• How to constantly evolve your practice
• Overcoming challenges in your practice or business

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Episode 12 LIVE Consultation With Jaclyn Fortier

Chris McDonald: Imagine a space where holistic self care isn't just a buzzword, but a deeply integrated practice. Today's guest's mission is to build a community of interdisciplinary, holistic providers who can practice in the same wellness space. She freely shares her philosophy on failure, how to try on something new, and create a practice that reflects who you are.

She was able to create an inspiring business model that brings a space of support that hopefully you can discover ideas with for your practice. Join us as we navigate this post pandemic landscape, bridging the gap of division and cultivating calm and community connections and holistic healing. Tune into this episode today on the holistic counseling podcast and embark on a journey of self discovery.

and wellness integration. This is holistic counseling, the podcast for mental health therapists who want to deepen their knowledge of holistic modalities and build their practice with confidence. I'm your host, Chris McDonald, licensed therapist. I am so glad you're here for the journey.

Welcome to today's episode of the Holistic Counseling Podcast. This is Chris McDonald once again. While traditional therapy approaches have been invaluable, there's a growing need for more holistic healing. Today's guest brings so many gems of insight on building a holistic group practice or business that works for you.

You might want to get your pen and paper ready. She also talks about how to really listen to yourself to build the life you want most personally and professionally that aligns with you. Our special guest is Jacqueline Fortier. She is the clinical director and founder of Carolina Counseling Wellness Associates.

She designed two commercial property investments into wellness centers for associates to practice specialty mental health care with a collaborative independent approach. Welcome to the Holistic Counseling Podcast, Jacqueline. Hi, Chris. I should say welcome back. It's great to be back. I appreciate you coming on so early in the podcast three years ago, and we'll have to put a link to that.

Cause that was a consultation one where I had people come up with a holistic problem and we solved it together on the air. So that was pretty cool, but I appreciate you being brave and being part of the beginning of the Holistic Counseling Podcast too. Well, I've

Jaclyn Fortier: really enjoyed watching it grow and being one of your, your avid listeners and I'm happy to be

Chris McDonald: back.

Oh, thank you. That's amazing. And you're local too. This is so cool. I love it. So can you tell my listeners and me like what led you to creating the Community Connections Project?

Jaclyn Fortier: Yes. So this year at Carolina Counseling, I am doing a research study in the community. And what that means is. Once or twice a month, I am visiting different places and doing a docuseries and taking some filming and researching and posting it to our social medias and our website to show the community and the triangle and the triad and basically anywhere in North Carolina of all the amazing places in the area that is good for your mental health, your physical health, your spiritual health.

And we're just coming back out and we're coming out stronger. We want to connect with people and start making things. It's stronger and better in new ways. So what better thing to do? And also it supports the local businesses. So I love to visit, uh, local businesses and, and then let other people know where they are so we can give them some love and support post pandemic because so many businesses closed and

Chris McDonald: suffered.

And boy, do we need holistic healing now more than ever, don't we?

Jaclyn Fortier: Right, right. Absolutely. And we need it and we deserve

Chris McDonald: it. Yeah. So how would you, let's rewind for a minute. How would you define holistic?

Jaclyn Fortier: Yes. I, when I hear that word, uh, it's the, when I hear that word, I think of whole, being whole, treating yourself as a We have all these different parts of us.

We have our physical health. We have our mental health. We have our spiritual health. If we identify with that, we have our family's connection, health, our, how we take care of the earth. We live in. I think of that as a whole, it's like an umbrella term of like the whole of you. And how do you know when you're, when you're whole?

And I think of it as like a feeling you get, you get this feeling of. contentment. Like, ah, there it is. And you don't stay there. I saw a guru one time doing a meditation workshop and he said, well, you can get enlightened and you can practice finding enlightenment and you'll find it for a few moments and then you become human again.

Chris McDonald: So it's not human to stay there.

Jaclyn Fortier: And I love that. I remember with fondness that that was a time where you're like, okay, I can find inner contentment. I can see what it feels like. I might not stay there and that's all right, but I know how to return to it. It's that

Chris McDonald: impermanence,

Jaclyn Fortier: right? That's right. And I think of that when I think of the word holistic.

It's like, how, how can I take care of my whole so I have more inner contentment? I have, I live more in that space than I do in, in the chaotic and the anxious and the depressed.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. So I think that really, you kind of pull it all in there, don't you? With the holistic. Yeah, that's amazing. So, tell me about what kind of modalities that you, I know you said you have a holistic wellness center.

So, what do you offer?

Jaclyn Fortier: We have two centers now, uh, Carolina Counseling Wellness Associates is our company name. And we have two centers and we have what I Created really seeing a niche in the market for a place to practice mental health care and holistic health care and under a brick and mortar roof that we purchased.

I purchased and renovated and used my design passion. I am fascinated with renovating and HTTB and someday maybe I'll be a host. I don't know, but I love to see. I love to rip things out.

Chris McDonald: Anything is possible. Jack,

Jaclyn Fortier: I love, I love to rip things out and put it back together again. I really have been doing that most of my adult life and find healing in that and, and fun.

It's, it's passionate for me. So Carolina Counseling is a unique endeavor where we, I got the brick and mortar, I turned it into a wellness center where interdisciplinary practitioners can come and practice there, and they are licensed. In the state of North Carolina associate levels. Typically, I do have a massage therapist that are at 1 of our centers and we have either massage.

I've had a Reiki master practice that are apex center for a while and we have social workers. Who specialize in their own unique special areas and also mental health license counselors that specialize in their own disciplinary ends. And when I'm hiring, and I'm bringing people into this collective, I really try to find a balance of providers that offer different services.

So I have 1 who does mother and mom coaching for new parenting, or she also has a practice. That she integrates in different modalities there, uh, and her name is Holly Moore, and she's one of my strongest providers as far as, like, the depth of experience that she has. And I have other providers that work with, uh, female issues, uh, fertility issues, uh, marriage and family counseling.

And we also have a child specialist now who works with adolescents and young children from the age of seven and up. So we have a really a holistic,

Chris McDonald: a holistic, so

Jaclyn Fortier: we have at least 1 provider that could help with certain certain subject matters. That might be a struggle for our community. So we have. And

Chris McDonald: I know we talked a little bit with group practices and I'm just ending mine and going back to solo because I don't want to manage people.

I don't want to tell people how to do their notes and get them done. I just strike makes me insane. Or your treatment plan is still not done for me. That's just. It's like torture and realize to come to that realization that this was not for me, you know, and it's okay if other people, if that's their passion, but I think just that was eyeopening.

But you said that you run yours a little different. Can you share how your practices run?

Jaclyn Fortier: I, I, you know, from, I worked at a group practice as. It's a provider before I became a group. And I had a time in between where I was a solo practice and I had time after that, where I was renting space out. And during the pandemic, there was such a big increased need in care that I decided, and I really felt a calling to keep growing.

And I was nervous, if I'm being honest, and I practiced this try on method. I gave myself permission to try something on permission to fail. I don't believe in failure. It's. First attempt in learning and I also practice seek the path of least regret and post pandemic. I was feeling this urge to, to expand it and make a place.

I had over 200 people on my caseload, which was not sustainable. I was 200 people. I was seeing some of them only once a month because I had stabilized them. So I was stabilizing and referring out and stabilizing and referring out and the phone just kept ringing. And the first thing I did was hire someone to answer my phones and I hired a coach to help me get over my fear of becoming a group practice.

And I had someone tell me, why don't you do it your way? You know, and I listened to your dread and listening to your dread is like, what do you dread? And you just said it, Chris, but you dread. And I dread the same things, if I'm being honest. So I, I decided to start interviewing and creating a business model that I didn't dread that I felt like I'm more of like an inspirational speaker to my providers.

I give them the structure. I give them the space. I give them the walls. I give them the, you can do this. And I also have learned how to fire people and I've had to let people

Chris McDonald: go tough thing because you do have to accept that and realize it and have those hard conversation. That's

Jaclyn Fortier: right. And I interview very long and I interviewed for 3 weeks and 3 different rounds of interviews and we're a specialty practice.

So we're not going to be expansive. We're going to be. A really tight knit group of specialists and offering 5 star care. That's very important to me to help and then tell us to have really great providers on staff that are professional and independent. So, they are all independent contractors that work under their own numbers and use our infrastructure and we have.

Great holiday parties. I'll tell you that we have a good time. That's great. We don't do the, you know, emails about what they did wrong. None of that. There's, there's none of that like fear based leadership in there. I have a strong background in leadership. I was in the military at a young age and I learned a lot about the chain of command and how.

Independence and integrity is something those two things that I really wanted to put into my work model. And everybody in my practice and our practice, we, I call it our, cause I feel like we work together as partners. Uh, they have that independence and I let them know in that first interview, if they need a lot of handholding and that's okay, if they did, this is not the place for them.

So you were very clear. Very clear. And I found that that's been a unique blend of making sure that we have the right, the right people. There's a place for everyone. And, but this place is, is for, for independent people with integrity, high integrity, and, and they do their own notes without me asking. Yeah.

Chris McDonald: Thank you. Yeah, of course. But it sounds like you just figured out what would work best for you and was in alignment with, with your values.

Jaclyn Fortier: Try it on. It's try it on and see how it feels and permission to be honest with yourself. You know, if you

Chris McDonald: don't That's it, isn't it? We got to really be honest with what

Jaclyn Fortier: we want.

That's right. And I just wanted to maximize, you know, I knew my why. My why, it was I wanted to help more people. And I saw people that, and most of the people that work with me are associate level licenses to begin with, so they really needed that independent model with help and support for the business side of things, which I've, I've got a knack for.

So, you know, they don't want to have to do the profit and loss statements that I just finished yesterday because it's taxing. I understand the bills and I do. I pay a lot of, I pay all the overhead and the mortgage statements. I find that fun. That's not the dread for me. It's not. Oh, my God.

Chris McDonald: I was just thinking, like, all the stress with tech season today.

I'm like, dread it so much. Wow. You're very, you're like a breath of fresh air, Jacqueline.

Jaclyn Fortier: So try it on and see. And I really feel like that goes for everyone. Try it on. You know, it's, it's just see how it feels and listen to yourself and your body and your mind and your nervous system will tell you where you belong.

when you belong there. It really

Chris McDonald: will. Yeah. Yeah. I think we just got to get quiet enough to really hear it too. That's

Jaclyn Fortier: right. That's

Chris McDonald: right. Can we get away from all the noise of everything in everyday life and really tune in. So how do you balance your life if you're helping other people in this practice and, but take care of yourself as well?

Jaclyn Fortier: Yeah, I remember when grad school, I was going through a really hard time in my life back then, and I, my professors at Webster University in Jacksonville, Florida, they became mentors and friends to me, and they said, you're going to have to take care of yourself. This is part of the job. Oh, they said this is part of the job.

Yeah, they said this is part of the job. So how do you do it? And I went to a great grad school program. I can't state enough how much they helped me. It was all in person. It was all very integrative. Uh, we did, it's when I began yoga. I, it's been 16 years ago since I graduated with my, my graduate degree.

And I. Would go to class and they would always ask, like, how'd you take care of yourself this week? And it just began second nature, like brushing your teeth, brushing your hair. I work out. I love the gym and I love going to finding places to experience health and wellness and. And health is just that word of like taking care of your health.

And I love to watch my energies. If I am bogged down with work, I go to the gym first.

Right there with you. If you wait till after you're not going to want to. And I go back to that phrase, seek the path of least regret. And I've never regretted. Walking out after a class or a workout. I've never regret that feeling. And even if you only go for 30 minutes, you know, sometimes just getting there and just moving around a little bit and getting back can give you a different mindset.

So that's been my golden ticket to, uh, my, my health and wellness.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. And I think you said too, though, just what you've created with your business is like a self care model for you too, isn't it? Yeah. And, and for the people that work for you,

Jaclyn Fortier: I don't have days that I feel like I'm working. It's interesting.

Like I have days where I rest days where I put the computer down, I put the website down and things like that. But I, but I'm also. I was taking care and being and learning new things and learning new things to ways to take care of myself, too, because we change at different times of our lives. Yeah.

Chris McDonald: So what kind of clients do you see at your practice?

Jaclyn Fortier: I, my specialization really is domestic violence and trauma recovery. Uh, that is. My essence of most of my clinical training, I do see anxiety disorders and relational concerns, like people that are either like trying to make their relationship healthier, their intimate relationship, or out of either leaving unhealthy relationship or making sure that they don't get in one that is abusive because of my background and domestic violence.

Previously, before I had Carolina counseling was a domestic violence advocate and a supervisor at the safe house in, um, the outskirts of Baltimore. So I have a little story about that. That I have on my website because it was a project that they gave me, they really, uh, they hired me to renovate and renovations been my, my passion that's integrated into my field of mental health counseling and they had me redo the whole safe house.

So we worked with a big program there and renovated the whole safe house and worked with a lot of women and children. There was over 300 women and children that we helped in placements of safety. While I work there. So that is that's my my area of specialization that I work with in clinical care. So

Chris McDonald: how do you market for like more of a wellness model when you have lots of different practitioners and lots of offerings?

Because I would think

Jaclyn Fortier: market your practice. It's, we've been, my Apex center specifically, the Apex center is in a prime location. I have not been in the market very much. That's amazing. It takes care of itself. Uh, now that we've been there, we've been in our Apex center for eight years. That helps too. When I did have to market really, uh, Google analytics is my friend.

I've learned. Code websites with SEOs. So my website is, I think like on the top Google, when you look up for counselors and Apex will pop up there. Uh, so just learning some coding and some nerdy stuff that I like to do in my spare time. .

Chris McDonald: So you have a lot of different things that you've learned, I guess, to, to help with this practice.

Yeah, I

Jaclyn Fortier: really love the business side, you know, the, the numbers and money balances out the feelings that I hold for other people as well. So I have that that if we go back to the word holistic, you know, I love working with people with their feelings, their thoughts, their behaviors. And I like working with.

With numbers and, and ripping things apart and putting them back together. I

Chris McDonald: think that's an unusual combination. So I know a lot of therapists listening. We love our clients and doing that part in the, especially this podcast, we all love our holistic counseling practices, but then the business side can just.

Cause a lot of anxiety sometimes.

Jaclyn Fortier: And one of the things that I've learned, Chris is like, take it, take it in pieces, like break it into little pieces and do things one at a time and hire people that can help you do the things that you are. I have the best accountant. I was just there this morning visiting her and it feels like an old friend.

She's helped me so much. And she does things that I don't. And we just talk and at ease way. And she's, she's taught me a lot about growing business. Um, Things like that. So just having people around you, let people in whatever, whatever your goal is. It doesn't have to be business or counseling, like whatever your goal is, you can do it.

Just consult into our ethics as, as, as counselors to consult. So I just learned how to do that in different realms.

Chris McDonald: Yeah, and I, I'm just listening to you today. It's like, this is a different way that you run business and it doesn't have to be, you know, such a stringent, you know, I guess I'm just thinking of group practices.

I knew about that the way they're run, it's not like yours. So just knowing that there is. Endless possibilities.

Jaclyn Fortier: Yeah. And I see a big industry change in how people are wanting to work. And, you know, a lot of my counselors, they'll have choice based off of what's available in the office, really, because we have four offices at each center.

Uh, so whatever's available, we kind of work through with that, but they, a lot of them, my full time counselors really like to work like two days a week at home and two days a week in the office. And that's in four days a week. I see that as like an industry wanting now the money through Friday, nine to five, like just, just doesn't, doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

And it's been our culture for a long time, but I see that changing and I really wanted a progressive business model that allows. Some growth and opportunity for, for that to, to be an example of how people can do things our way, what works for you, you know, where's your dread. I remember listening to my dread has been the biggest teacher of my life in relations and professionally, and you will tell yourself exactly what you don't want to do.

Yes, I don't

Chris McDonald: want to group practice. Absolutely. And

Jaclyn Fortier: I remember feeling that way too, and that's why I made it this way. So yeah, everyone's dread will be like a personal thing for them to do a reflection about like what it

Chris McDonald: is. Okay. It's okay. And even if you wanted to leave a counseling field, that's okay too.

So find something that you're passionate about.

Jaclyn Fortier: Yes. I would love the listeners to know that, you know, your dread is personal. Don't compare yourself with other people. If you do, do it with curiosity, not with criticism. With

Chris McDonald: curiosity, not criticism. And I always say too, what can you learn from people? You know, if you see someone that's really successful to maybe get to know them and see what you can

Jaclyn Fortier: learn.

That's right. But your dread will be specific. You know, it's your intuition. It's really connected with all of that. Like, what is it? Where do I belong? I always say, where do I belong? And I'll know. I don't know. I've done this with houses. I've done this with business. I've done this with relationships with people just like, where do I belong?

You'll know when you don't. It's a feeling

Chris McDonald: you'll know when you don't. Yeah, no, I can. I can connect with that for sure.

I'm writing about it. Uh, I have two writing projects I'm doing this year and it's exciting because we get to try things on. I love to go to a place, you know, and if I don't like the place, I'm not putting it on the website. You know, I'm not going to put it, I'm going to put, I'm putting the places where I'm like, Hmm, I really like this place and then my clients, my listeners, people in the community can say, Oh, let me go try and see if I like it.

And if they don't.

Chris McDonald: So you put these on, uh, on your website. That's a workout.

Jaclyn Fortier: Yeah. Right now we're collecting all the data. That's really cool. And we're going to have it all on there. We're going to have playlists. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah. And, uh, podcasts people can listen to for inspiration, uh, things, you know, people, places and things we love.

Is the title. Oh,

Chris McDonald: okay. You know, that's amazing because as a holistic therapist, I refer out to other holistic providers, but not just therapists. So I refer out for Reiki and, you know, for you name it, shaman in the community. But I think that's so cool though, to, to have that and vet those places and really feel good about that.

Jaclyn Fortier: Give me a couple ideas of places I should go see. Oh, I

Chris McDonald: will definitely. Yeah. Cause I've gotten to know some, some of the holistic community here. And it's just, oh, we got some amazing resources.

Jaclyn Fortier: We really do. And you know, this all got stemmed from my clients asking me, uh, do you know a place? Do you know a book?

Do you know a thing? And I'm always writing them down on little sticky notes and I'm tired of that. So I'm gonna be like, yes, it's on the website. . See now you

Chris McDonald: gave me, now I'm gonna do that too. . I love that.

Jaclyn Fortier: Absolutely. I'm happy to share. I love it. I love sharing ideas. I don't hold

Chris McDonald: them. Yeah, yeah. No, I think that's in value.

'cause you're right, I'm always sharing stuff, information with clients about holistic modalities and even, you know, YouTube videos, podcasts, you name it. Besides mine, of course, I do share others. That's

Jaclyn Fortier: right. And in books, I'm, I'm re I read books. I, I'm, I love to read and then have clients that, well, I was asking you like, and I don't know where they are in their stage of life.

Like what's going on in their problems. Like, ah, this is the book that was helpful for someone else. So maybe this will be helpful for you. And I was, I have this phrase called take it or leave it. And what that says is like, take what worked and leave what didn't. It's okay. If some of the book is not going to land.

Yes. Get that part. That's okay. And I always say that as a disclaimer. I don't get my feelings hurt unlike the same book that I read that that I took it. I received some things from that and some of it just didn't resonate right now. And that's okay.

Chris McDonald: So what, what's a challenge that you've experienced with building this business that maybe you've overcome and had to work

Jaclyn Fortier: through?

Yes. Um, if you listen to a couple of my stories, I talk about my fear of math when I, yes, I know it's like we got into this. Because we're like, Oh, there's no math, only feelings. I like that. I know.

Chris McDonald: I like feelings.

Jaclyn Fortier: Wait a second. There's research and statistics. I didn't want to have to do that. And I did. I took a lot of math classes in, in graduate school that I wasn't prepared for and, and I got through it, you know?

So I definitely feel like running the business side of things, like having to do profit and loss. Statements and mortgage statements and financing and doing commercial real estate investing and learning about math. And so I just, I learned in grad school, I learned it in my time in the military that I can do hard things with the right mindset.

So just giving myself, I'm not. I'm not bad at math. I'm actually good at math when I have the right mindset. I just need a moment. I need some quiet. I need to make sure, um, my needs are met. I need to make sure that I'm not stressed out or in that moment. And I'm doing it with clarity. And I also give myself rewards when I do hard things like math.

So my positive psychology comes out and after math, my work is done and I go celebrate, I go do something fun. So that way I'm not dreading it as much. So math is definitely one of The overcomer of my, my whole entire business story. And now I've made it my friend. So, wow, that's

Chris McDonald: amazing. I'm just trying to process that for a moment.

Unfortunately, I'm not, I can't say I'm good at math. I've made it through somehow this far, but. Ooh, I cha, I'm challenge .

Jaclyn Fortier: It's okay. Well, always like how you speak to yourself is so important. It is. And I've learned that. I used to say all these things to myself that no longer serve me. And now I say, you know, I learned how to do math.

That's what I said. I learned. Yeah, I learned.

Chris McDonald: I have learned a lot in private practice. I really

Jaclyn Fortier: have. Absolutely. We learn and, and you know, software catches up with itself. I have a great record system that runs our practice. And I'm grateful for it. It does a lot of the integrated work. So technology has not always been my friend either.

I feel like, you know, we've learned a lot. Every therapist listening or every human being listening, you know, technology is growing. It's going to keep growing. So how to utilize it

Chris McDonald: to really think about that. What's the best way and. So what advice would you say to a listener who might be wanting to do a business model like yours, but to make it their own, and maybe they have some apprehension about it?

Well,

Jaclyn Fortier: reflect, you know, reflect on, on your why, your why, W H Y, like why, and make sure you're solid with that. One of my best tips is don't do it for the money. You know, people get stuck for that and then they don't have the passion to help them. So I love to make decisions from helping. People, uh, is my why, uh, growing, uh, being able to live a full, authentic life.

That's my why. You know, money comes out the back end. So it really does. It comes like a little wave on the, on the back end. You know, it can't be the reason I feel. And that's just for me. For my experience is that if my why is from my heart is for making a life that I feel Proud of for helping others and helping myself, then everything else kind of, it settles it, it works itself through.

Yeah,

Chris McDonald: it works itself through. You have so many good mantras and mindsets. I can tell you've done a lot of work.

Jaclyn Fortier: Yeah, we've been making quotes too. We have t shirts with quotes on them. Do you really? Yeah. One of my favorites is seek the path of least regret. And I feel like. And the path of least regret can be this, Oh my gosh, for everything.

It's that curious energy of like, because you just like your dread, you're the only one will know what regret feels like. And also it. Yeah,

Chris McDonald: that's true. So that's food for thought for listeners to to think about.

Jaclyn Fortier: Yeah, it's personal. It's like a reflection inside you. Like, no one else can tell you what you might regret.

I'm going on a really big trip in two weeks to see my 93 year old grandmother. And I don't love to fly. I'm honest about that, but I would regret not. I would regret not. So I can get over that little bumpy flight down to see her because I know that feeling of regret if she passed this year and I didn't.

And that, that keeps me, keeps me going. So I make that model. I really do for my personal and professional life. Yeah. Well, you

Chris McDonald: gave us a lot to think about today. I'm going to have to listen again to this episode. I hope listeners took notes too. What's the best way for listeners to find you to learn more about you?

Absolutely.

Jaclyn Fortier: Jacqueline48. org is our new website that we're working on for our community projects and CarolinaCounselingWellness. com. And we have a couple of Instagram handles as well, but I have turned that over to an assistant, which is wonderful. Isn't it

Chris McDonald: great. And we'll have that in the show notes as well, but thank you so much for coming back on the show.

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