In this episode, I chat with Libby about Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill" Volume 1 and Volume 2, examining the film's themes and narrative choices. We discuss the decision to split the film due to its lengthy runtime and how it impacts audience engagement. Libby shares her affinity for the film and highlights the empowering portrayal of female characters like "the Bride," O-Ren Ishii, and Vernita Green.

We delve into pivotal scenes and Tarantino's unique cinematic techniques, as well as the emotional and philosophical aspects of revenge. Libby proposes an intriguing theory about the polyamorous dynamics among characters, prompting a discussion on love and power. We wrap up by reflecting on Tarantino’s controversial reputation and the importance of critically engaging with his work, exploring the rich storytelling and representation within "Kill Bill."

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Evan: Uh yeah so i you know you've been on before i i i'm gonna record like the little

Evan: intro thing later so i'm just gonna be just pretend like i just said all those

Evan: things and i'll be like thanks for joining me libby and that's it cool.

Libby: Thanks for having me oh.

Evan: I guess i i was that was just my friend that

Evan: was just my uh my uh telling you that but i i should just do it i swear to god

Evan: the beginning of the every i've done this like over 100 times and like the first

Evan: minute and the the last minute are always just very much like i don't know what

Evan: to do now sit back in your seats get something to eat watch this movie don't look like you can see,

Evan: thank you,

Evan: all right well thank you for joining me today libby thank.

Libby: You for having me.

Evan: Yes of course so as i mentioned in the intro we're talking about the Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume 2,

Evan: single movie that was technically two movies, and I just learned today that

Evan: the reason they split it up is because of Harvey Weinstein.

Evan: What? Yeah, he said that the movie was too long, so he said,

Evan: oh, why don't we just do two movies?

Libby: I mean, it is like four hours.

Evan: I know. It would have been ridiculous as one movie. I mean, let's face it.

Libby: Imagine sitting in the theater for that whole thing. I mean,

Libby: I fucking love the movie, but I don't know if I could sit in the theater about it.

Evan: Yeah the first one is 111 minutes to an hour and 40 and the second one is 140

Evan: minutes so two and a half yeah that'd be that's a big commitment i don't know

Evan: if i'm committed enough titanic i've never seen titanic actually i think at this point i just either.

Libby: I don't i don't know what you're talking about.

Evan: Well at this point i'd say it's too late it's too late to see titanic but it's

Evan: never too late. I guess that's true.

Libby: But I mean, that's like one of the things in the movie. Anyway,

Libby: you don't have to talk about Titanic.

Evan: No, no. Yeah, no. But when I, when I, you, so we were talking about doing Kill

Evan: Bill like a long time ago.

Evan: You said it was like a, one of your favorites. I mean, what's your,

Evan: did you see them in the theater? Did you have like a.

Libby: So yeah, no, it just kind of like creeped into my life.

Libby: Like I saw it in chunks, like when I, when it first came out,

Libby: you know, and then I don't know what it was, but I just, it's like every time

Libby: a man disappoints me, I watch the fucking movie.

Libby: It is, it really, it really scratches that itch.

Evan: Well, I mean.

Libby: So that means I watch it like quarterly.

Evan: Yeah well i mean it's uh it does definitely have that ultimate it's like the

Evan: ultimate revenge movie i mean i can't think of the.

Libby: Thing i love about it most is every female character is a strong female character

Libby: like there's i i think there's one

Libby: like sophie she's a little damsel and distressing like ish but otherwise.

Evan: The lawyer you're talking about uh.

Libby: Like sophie the one that gets like her arms and stuff chopped off.

Evan: Yeah yeah she's like the lawyer or something like that i don't remember her yeah.

Libby: I think like the assistant.

Evan: Assistant yeah something like that.

Libby: But she was like in with the crew like she was at the like the wedding massacre.

Evan: Yeah you're right though every but otherwise.

Libby: All all strong female characters they all kick ass i love that about the movie.

Evan: Yeah it is true i mean even aside from with

Evan: thurman you have for the people who may not have seen a

Evan: while you have lucy lu who hadn't been in something

Evan: in a while apparently it's like i was watching a something with

Evan: tarantino how he ended up picking all the people apparently he picked

Evan: vivica a fox because he was at a video

Evan: store and saw a movie that she had been in a few years before and goes why haven't

Evan: i seen her in anything she should be in in my movie and that was how she got

Evan: pick to be in in this random yeah and the same thing with a bunch of the other

Evan: ones like daryl hannah was randomly selected i don't remember the story for

Evan: her she's brilliant yeah she is great i.

Libby: Love her character in that.

Evan: And michael madsen the guy who plays bud he sort

Evan: of now i now i need to

Evan: cut that whole part out because i'm like oh i have the story about all of them and i just forgot

Evan: all of them but oh the the best one though is david caradine who plays you know

Evan: the title character director bill yeah he they couldn't find anyone that would

Evan: do it they wanted to get a bunch of different actors none of them wanted to

Evan: learn how to do like martial arts but he already did know how to do martial

Evan: arts from being in a bunch of you know movies in the 80s he.

Libby: Doesn't really do anything martial like he.

Evan: Doesn't really that's true he's like does he even have a fight at all well.

Libby: Like at the end but it's like a quick little.

Evan: Yeah he doesn't really do a whole lot it's more like him throwing some knives

Evan: and shooting a gun a few times and yeah i guess that's true i don't know why

Evan: they needed well anyway but he's great in it i mean everyone from top to bottom

Evan: is pretty pretty awesome but i mean the the for anyone again who hasn't seen it the,

Evan: First part of this, volume one, essentially, is you kind of get a very limited

Evan: kind of backstory about Uma Thurman.

Evan: You learn that she was just referred to as the bride.

Evan: She gets shot, you know, during her wedding.

Evan: And she begins her revenge tour. It kind of takes you back to when she was originally,

Evan: you know, in the hospital after getting shot.

Evan: And then you pretty much have about 30 to 40 minutes of this movie of the hour

Evan: and 40 minutes of just a ridiculous fight scene where she kills, what, 88 people?

Libby: Fuck yeah.

Evan: Just murders people left and right.

Libby: I heard during when she's massacring the crazy 88 or whatever,

Libby: I heard that they had to put it in black and white because it was so much blood

Libby: that it would have made the rating high.

Evan: That's true. True.

Libby: Yep.

Evan: I just saw that today too. They said there was too much gore that with the color

Evan: would have just been too over the top.

Libby: I would have been here for it, but that's whatever. Yeah.

Evan: And the other thing I learned today too is so in that fight scene,

Evan: there is no special effects at all.

Evan: And to do the blood, which is crazy, it took them two months to film that one scene.

Evan: And the blood was all packed inside of condoms, which is like the way they would

Evan: do it in old Japanese samurai films, things like that.

Evan: So that's how they got the use. I don't know. I saw the thing,

Evan: something like 3,000 gallons of blood or something in the movie.

Libby: Yeah i like when i like how if there becomes a

Libby: swimming pool of blood that like somebody like

Libby: falls in and it's like just blood mixed

Libby: into like the fountain that was there but it looks like it's

Libby: a swimming pool of blood uh it's just the the whole i love the whole movie and

Libby: like i love the like the spray blood that like is pretty consistent through

Libby: tarantino movies a lot of times because I know I've seen it in another one, or in Django Unchained.

Evan: Yeah, there was that one. I think also in what's the one with all the Nazis?

Evan: Inglourious Basterds, I think that has a couple scenes like that too. He loves the...

Libby: Yeah, I like that blood spray, the way they do it.

Libby: Like when Lucy Liu, she runs across the table and you don't even see her do

Libby: it but all of a sudden, poof, the head is gone and then there's just blood spraying and,

Libby: the line when she's like if any of you sons

Libby: of bitches have anything else you want

Libby: to say now's the fucking time and like the like the empowerment behind that

Libby: statement like she's like standing on a conference table with a bunch of men

Libby: and they're like at her feet and she's saying like now's the fucking and ready

Libby: to cut their head off like i love it i love it.

Evan: Yeah there is lots of yeah that goes back to all the like

Evan: powerful you know women so but as far as like aside from like the plot of the

Evan: movie i mean as i said you know the the first you learn that how she dies or

Evan: how she gets shot you know with thurman's character the bride for the whole

Evan: first movie they also don't say what her name is they just like bleep it out

Evan: i don't know what was the reason for that even.

Libby: Like halfway through the second.

Evan: Yeah i guess that's true i don't know what the reason for keeping her name out

Evan: of it i i guess well no i guess they do say it though right he just.

Libby: Maybe he just wanted to get Uma Thurman into a schoolgirl.

Evan: Costume.

Libby: Just because he's Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll definitely get to the problematic Tarantino,

Evan: which everyone from other, I've talked about a few other of his films,

Evan: and he's got some issues.

Evan: But the, so yeah, so they, you find out that she is shot, she's in the hospital,

Evan: and she goes to Vivica Fox's house.

Evan: house i think her name is the vernita green i think is they're all part of this

Evan: sort of green they're all part of this sort of like you know basically a hit squad under bill yeah.

Libby: And everybody's got like a snake

Libby: name and she's mad that um b has black mamba she's like i should have.

Evan: Been black mamba and she's just copperhead that's right that's right yeah copperhead

Evan: and so she basically you know they do this kick-ass fight scene like the one

Evan: sad thing is like the that Vivica

Evan: Fox's kid is in the house when she does this, and it's sort of weird.

Libby: Do you know...

Libby: there's a lot of speculation and tarantino has

Libby: said no a lot of times but like imagine a sequel

Libby: to this where like the kids end up

Libby: like they grow up and like you know b's older does l actually survive like like

Libby: there's and like with uh bb she grows up you know like they get older so it

Libby: could be a sequel later on but there was speculation that could happen but But

Libby: Quentin Tarantino keeps saying like, that'll never happen. But it's so interesting.

Evan: I've heard that where he joked, or maybe he in passing said,

Evan: someone was like, oh, what if you did volume three?

Evan: And it was, you know, your 10th film.

Evan: And he said, oh, you know, maybe, but I doubt he'd do it. I doubt he would.

Evan: He's not the kind of guy that would redo his shit.

Libby: Didn't he say that like, he only had a certain number of movies that he ever

Libby: wanted to do. And then he's hit that number. So he's not doing any more movies.

Evan: Yeah, he has one left and he wants, and he was going to do one.

Evan: It was all planned out and then he canceled it.

Evan: And I think he should just stop doing that and just make movies and stop being such a bitch.

Evan: It's like, you like making movies. Why do you have to, I guess his theory is,

Evan: you know, eventually you start making crappy movies at the end of your career.

Evan: So he just goes out on top. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah.

Evan: Tarantino's a weird guy.

Libby: He's a weird guy. That's a good way to say it.

Evan: Yeah. Yeah, and I guess I'll just at the top to talk about one of the two things

Evan: that kind of cloud the movie is in the second film,

Evan: volume two, there is a scene where Uma's driving down a road fast in a car and

Evan: they wouldn't give her a stunt double.

Evan: Apparently, they gave the stunt double the day off. The head of the stunt department wasn't there.

Evan: Quentin Tarantino convinced her to do the stunt anyway, and she crashed the

Evan: car into a tree and messed up her knee and some other things,

Evan: and then didn't come out until...

Evan: 10 years or 15 years later and he apologized released the footage and all this

Evan: and she also was abused by harvey weinstein so she definitely she deserves some revenge,

Evan: revenge in the movie yeah and she was like choked too.

Libby: With a chain right like that was for real choking.

Evan: Yes i don't know if she got as hurt as from doing that but i do know the the

Evan: whole i mean crashing your car because they wouldn't get the stunt double like

Evan: just so i don't so you're we We were talking about like the.

Libby: Scene with Vivica A. Fox and like the daughter and stuff. Yeah, that is sad.

Libby: But like, and one thing that bothered me is like, they say that she's four and

Libby: she gets off the bus by herself.

Libby: Like, I don't know. I guess it's hard to like nitpick consistency in this movie

Libby: because there's a lot that's like you gotta, you know, just roll with. But yeah.

Evan: Suspend her. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't remember them saying

Evan: she was four, but you think that she would be at minimum kindergarten, right?

Libby: Well, four is like preschool age still.

Evan: Five?

Libby: And like, yeah.

Evan: Yeah, that's pretty young.

Libby: And they say she's four because that's the same age as Bebe.

Evan: Right, right. Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know, Bebe is Uma Thurman's daughter

Evan: who she was pregnant with when she's shot.

Evan: And you think she believes that she dies, but we learn later that she's not dead.

Evan: So I just spoiled it for everyone. But it's been 20 years.

Libby: You should have seen it by now. Yeah, this is, like, there's...

Evan: Sorry, everyone.

Libby: There really shouldn't be spoiler warnings, because it's old enough.

Evan: No, no. At this point, on this point, like, people have... Actually,

Evan: someone once got mad at me because a guest spoiled a movie that wasn't the one we were talking about.

Evan: He just randomly was like, oh, it's like this movie where this happened.

Evan: And someone goes, oh, you shouldn't have kept that in.

Evan: And I just didn't, I just forgot to cut it out. But I don't know.

Evan: we're that whatever who gives a shit anyway but

Evan: yeah the the um like yeah so you have

Evan: the that's kind of the middle of the movie and then you have her is this when

Evan: is it in the first is it the first movie where she's in she's in the hospital

Evan: right and they show that like the guy with the pussy wagon who's basically bringing

Evan: people into labor while she's in a coma for four years it's so fucked up one.

Libby: Thing about that is like so she's being like raped the whole time that she's like in a coma, right?

Libby: The way that they do not touch on any sort of trauma that she would have gotten

Libby: during that, I mean, maybe she just, like, jammed it all in until the end and used it as fuel,

Libby: but, like, how little that is addressed is very fucked up to me.

Evan: I don't know why they needed... I don't know, I mean...

Libby: I guess another layer of revenge.

Evan: Because the way that.

Libby: Like, she, like, kills him by, like, biting his face off, like, went you know.

Evan: That's right and then the way.

Libby: That like she kills the other guy like she like jams his head in the door he's

Libby: like please stop hitting me.

Evan: Yeah the and so and the other thing too that's pretty cool i mean i can't even

Evan: i'm not even going to bother listing them all but there's probably something

Evan: like 20 25 different movies that he references in different you know scenes

Evan: and the way they're doing it but one the one that

Evan: I was going to mention is when Uma Thurman wakes up from her coma is the same,

Evan: uh thing that she did in pulp fiction when she gets the shroud of.

Libby: Adrenaline from her overdose she like flies up so it's yeah so.

Evan: That was a little.

Libby: Homage to.

Evan: That but there's so many clips from from you know shots from.

Libby: It's so many again there's probably 20 or 25 different

Libby: any original thoughts for like how scenes

Libby: should like play out because it's so

Libby: many references like i was watching on like

Libby: one of the apps that like tells you all

Libby: of like every little detail behind the the scenes or whatever and yeah and it

Libby: was just every single one was this movie this and i shut it off because like

Libby: i can't sit and read every single reference to the 800 different movies that

Libby: he bit off to make this movie yeah.

Evan: Like there's like the the scene too where um where what is uh daryl ellie driver

Evan: her name's uh mountain snake i think was her no.

Libby: I don't know which you know You know what? I don't know what snake, but yeah, L.

Evan: Yeah, L. Driver. When she's dressed up in the nurse's outfit and she's walking

Evan: down the hall whistling that very catchy tune, that's basically lifted from

Evan: the movie Twisted Nerve.

Evan: And then the needle part is from another movie I can't remember.

Evan: Again, there's so many movies that are referenced.

Libby: You remember in the early aughts how you had ringtones, like you would buy ringtones.

Libby: The whistle was my ringtone.

Libby: Even to this day, I have all Kill Bill sounds on my phone that it makes it.

Evan: That that that whistle is such a i mean when i think of the the music or the

Evan: soundtrack it's really good it's all done by rza too when but the uh sound that it makes.

Libby: When b sees somebody that she's gonna fucking kill like one of the people on her revenge list.

Evan: Oh i love.

Libby: That like the siren sound it's awesome.

Evan: That's also well it makes you.

Libby: Like really revved like oh fuck yeah it's on like.

Evan: Well the music is different i think it's like the the weird like where it kind

Evan: of zooms in and out and it's got like a weird red tint to it or something.

Evan: I think that happens when she walks into the club in the first movie.

Evan: No? Or maybe it happens a few times.

Libby: Every time she sees one of her intended targets.

Evan: Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Right. Yeah. That part is...

Evan: That's such a cool... I mean, even if Quentin Tarantino is ripping off of 50

Evan: other movies, at least it looks good Yeah, it comes together and it's fucking awesome.

Libby: It's my favorite movie. Absolutely my favorite movie.

Evan: And then so after she's in the hospital, we find out she's getting raped constantly.

Evan: She kills them, she leave so it's it's like

Evan: this whole shit with quentin tarantino the non-linear first you

Evan: see how she gets shot and then you go to where

Evan: she kills one of you know vivica fox and then it goes back again how she got

Evan: the pussy wagon because i think she gets into the car and people like what the

Evan: fuck why is she driving this ridiculous car and then you see the dudes uh you

Evan: know the guy who's yeah and then and then they go to the then i think she goes

Evan: to japan right she goes to get the

Evan: hanzo sword which is first but they.

Libby: Don't show it until second.

Evan: That's right yep that's right she because they show the list and

Evan: she's already crossed off but you don't know until i guess

Evan: the end of the first movie that's when she kills yeah after

Evan: the long drawn-out scene but the but what's crazy

Evan: is the guy who plays uh hattori hanzo that he he is a the actor was like a legend

Evan: in japanese movies and he actually did make like swords on the side so that

Evan: was you know it wasn't and just oh they're just gonna throw throw this guy in

Evan: here yeah he's uh like the the actor is um,

Evan: uh sony chiba and also in true romance which is a movie i just did on the podcast

Evan: in the very first scene they go to a movie theater and they're watching a sony

Evan: chiba movie so he loves these he loves japanese well i guess he got to flex that muscle.

Libby: A lot for this movie then you know like the,

Libby: The scene with Bea and Oren when they're like facing off with like the,

Libby: I mean, I don't understand how they have this winter scene behind that whole

Libby: club, but that's besides the point.

Libby: It's still so cool with like the fountain that like the water goes down and it's like,

Libby: and then it like makes like a repetitive sound and the snow being so serene

Libby: and they're like just like splattering blood across it. It's so cool.

Evan: Yeah there's um yeah that scene is real i mean

Evan: it's so crazy because you go from that black and white to like the white snow

Evan: outside i mean maybe that was just the it looked cool i mean i don't know i

Evan: don't know how much it snows in japan i don't know why they i mean again it

Evan: looks pretty damn uh cool and then the guy too the guy who plays the head of

Evan: the security gordon lau he also

Evan: plays the um like the who's the name of their elite like the the master who

Evan: teaches them in the second movie i'm blanking on his name right now yeah so

Evan: he's played this it's the same actor oh wow.

Libby: I didn't know that damn.

Evan: Yeah he's also like a legend as far as um you

Evan: know i think he did he was also in you

Evan: know like the shaolin which is what you know the wu-tang clan used

Evan: their thing after the 36 chamber he was

Evan: in all those movies in the 80s so he's he like all the stuff he

Evan: was doing was probably just straight up just he could do it he

Evan: didn't have to no you have to teach him shit can you

Evan: can you hear the thunder behind me oh it's it just started

Evan: storming it's so loud i'm surprised you can't hear it maybe i

Evan: maybe it'll be on my end but yeah the yeah so then they go to japan and he he

Evan: you know she gets the sword which essentially is you know her murder weapon

Evan: like that whole part too i mean i at first the first time i saw the movie i'm

Evan: like why is she sitting in this random like sushi restaurant getting sushi and

Evan: then the the owner is like arguing with,

Evan: Hattori Hanzo like that part's also really funny he's like get him get him the

Evan: water and all this shit and I don't know just every little scene of going up

Evan: to the room seeing the swords convincing him to make the sword again and so

Evan: this actually leads me to one of my questions like a couple of the like sort of,

Evan: I don't want to call them philosophical questions but like the whole story is

Evan: about revenge and do you think that like does Uma Thurman even though that That

Evan: she's received all of this trauma.

Evan: She was raped while in a coma. She was shot while she was pregnant in the head.

Evan: All this fucked up stuff happens. But does she bear any responsibility for becoming

Evan: basically a trained killer?

Libby: You know, I think that... So at the end, right, with Bill, he's like,

Libby: why didn't you ever tell me that Pai Mei taught you that five point...

Libby: exploding heart trick or whatever um she's

Libby: like because i'm a bad person so she like

Libby: i think she knew and like before she was

Libby: pregnant and she says like if this had if this

Libby: was any other time when she's facing karen at the like hotel that she's staying

Libby: in that she was gonna go and kill yeah whoever whatever um she's like any other

Libby: time you would be right and she ran away she That was the whole point of her

Libby: getting away, was to get out of the killer life.

Libby: So she knew it was wrong. She knew it was shitty. But then when they shot her

Libby: in the fucking head, she's like, well, now I got to go kill everybody.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. I mean, she does openly admit, you know, you don't really

Evan: get any information, I don't think, of her childhood.

Evan: You do get some for some of the other, I think it's, what is it?

Libby: O-Ren, they say her whole backstory.

Evan: Yeah, for her, that was the cartoon, the anime they do for that is also pretty damn awesome, too.

Evan: I guess, so for her, she knows what she's doing. She's also a person who's built

Evan: on revenge, but again, it would be interesting to know what Uma Thurman's backstory

Evan: is, which you never really...

Evan: How does she end up getting mixed up with Bill? There's no real...

Libby: So I have a theory of how she got mixed up with

Libby: bill this is this is a big theory though okay and

Libby: i tried looking that up on the internet no one else is talking

Libby: about this but no no theory is too big no theories i think that this movie is

Libby: actually about a polycule becoming unraveled okay so like it can draw a parallel

Libby: to everything that would happen with everybody breaking up all right so i think

Libby: that bill Bill and Bea were like,

Libby: they had a hierarchy relationship and she was his primary partner and Elle didn't

Libby: like that and Elle wanted to be the primary partner, so that's why they were rivals.

Libby: I think Elle and Bill's brother, Bud,

Libby: I think they were together and I say this

Libby: with no evidence whatsoever all on

Libby: vibes of what i think that like people like who

Libby: they would be like i think that b and vivica a fox i think that they got together

Libby: sometimes i think that um oren and bud got together and they're like an odd

Libby: couple but i think that that makes sense um for.

Libby: Only in my mind does it make sense but the

Libby: way everybody breaks up no i mean it's bill bill

Libby: is like the head guy right and then bill

Libby: the bud the brother any like so

Libby: it gets so complicated the way any polycule would and when um b like extricates

Libby: herself from it everybody's mad at her so So everybody wants to make her a pariah

Libby: if that was a polycule and not like a assassin gang.

Libby: So like, yeah, that's just my theory that I've come up with.

Libby: And Bill being like, I think he's like a Daddy Dom kink guy. Like, absolutely.

Libby: Because that's how he comes across.

Evan: I can see that.

Libby: And even at the like, it ends up it's not a wedding.

Libby: it's a wedding rehearsal and she's like this

Libby: is my daddy like it like i it you know like there's a lot of that that was creepy

Libby: with this theory that i just made up based on vibes and maybe i'm projecting

Libby: shit onto it that may or may not have ever been part of my life well.

Evan: Here's another thing that's weird i'm not this is not to like discount it but

Evan: here's another thing i'm thinking You have Vivek A.

Evan: Fox's character, when at the beginning of the movie, when she goes to kill her,

Evan: when Bea goes to kill her, she's like now just a mother living, just living her life.

Evan: She's basically what Uma Thurman wanted to have, right? She wanted to just.

Evan: Have her kid, be married. But she was allowed to do that, right?

Evan: She was allowed to leave the gang and be- Yeah, but she wasn't the primary partner.

Libby: She was, you know- Right.

Evan: That's exactly what I was going to say, is that she wasn't the top of the food

Evan: chain, so Bill didn't really care. It wasn't really-

Libby: And maybe she had remorse. Maybe she had genuine remorse.

Libby: She was like, damn, Bill just shot my pregnant friend or my partner,

Libby: former partner, whatever, if they had ever been together.

Libby: She's like, damn, that's fucked up, and got extricated herself,

Libby: but in a way that Bill wouldn't go kill her about. I don't know.

Evan: They all seemed, I mean, they all, except for Bill, seemed remorseful for what they did.

Libby: But especially, he's like, she deserves her revenge. Elle was like, no, fuck her.

Libby: I think that Elle and Bea were bitter rivals, and Bea was always just ahead

Libby: of her, and Elle was always very jealous of that.

Evan: Yeah, that makes sense, especially in the fight scene in the second movie in

Evan: Bud's trailer, which also is just a ridiculous fight scene, too.

Evan: I love when they pull out the swords and they can't- When.

Libby: She gets the spit in.

Evan: Her.

Libby: She throws it in her face. That makes me actually, it's shocking every time I watch that movie.

Libby: And then when Bea squishes her eyeball under her feet, that's so unnecessary.

Libby: Yeah, yeah. like if that like they have to make all the blood from the ridiculous

Libby: like sword fight being black and white but they can show that eyeball squish.

Evan: Yeah i actually that's like the one um like i can watch any kind of horror movie

Evan: but actually like things with related to eyes i sometimes have to like look

Evan: away because it just creeps me out and then the same thing in this i knew it

Evan: was coming i'm like i can't look can't watch her squish it it's just it's one

Evan: of those weird uh things but But yeah,

Evan: the funniest part in that whole scene is when they pull out their samurai swords

Evan: and the broom is so small they can't actually pull them out.

Libby: Like, yeah, get them out.

Evan: Yeah, there's so many little, there's so many gags and things throughout all

Evan: of the different things.

Evan: But yeah, I think you're right there. I think Bud is very immortal.

Evan: He's like, I deserve to die for this.

Libby: Yeah, even though he like fights it and like buries her or whatever.

Libby: But she doesn't actually kill Bud.

Libby: The black mamba snake kills Bud.

Evan: That's right. Because of her own brother or her own sister.

Libby: Because of Elle. Yeah, that like she puts it in there. but is it does it count

Libby: though because it's a black.

Evan: Mamba that kills.

Libby: Him and b is a black mamba

Libby: but another thing you know how l talks

Libby: about like how uh like bite to

Libby: the face is like the fastest way to die

Libby: remember back in the hospital scene when she

Libby: bites his face and he dies really quickly and then she like hits the guy on

Libby: the head and he dies like having a seizure having paralysis the same way that

Libby: they talk about in like that um l talks about in that um like essay she wrote

Libby: about the black mamba snake.

Evan: That's true that it's one of the funniest things when you're talking about the

Evan: black mamba when l is in the trailer and she pulls out her little notebook and

Evan: she's like reading it like because they didn't have wikipedia i guess they have

Evan: wikipedia when the wikipedia come out i don't know but it's really funny i mean

Evan: she's reading all the things she.

Libby: Had to have used an encyclopedia for that one like way back then.

Evan: Wonder when she.

Libby: Had to go to the a library to write that i bet.

Evan: Yeah that's probably true well it says wikipedia became a thing in 2001,

Evan: but it doesn't seem like you could use like it wasn't the kind of thing you

Evan: could just find all that's a baby right she probably did go to a library and

Evan: like checked out a book or stole it or whatever that's that's almost comical

Evan: to think of people using the dewey decibel system to find their books,

Evan: which I go to the library still. You still got to use it.

Libby: Yeah. I love her line when he's like, what do you feel?

Libby: And she's like, regret that a bushwhacking scrub-

Libby: elky redneck like you that she met her match by an elky scrub like you like

Libby: i love that like i mean like he's half dead but like she's still talking to

Libby: him like just dunking on him already like while he's got like a face full of

Libby: venom it's awesome this whole movie it is it is crazy it is.

Evan: Crazy that he was the one that was able to catch her only because she was underneath

Evan: the you know she was kind of stupid in the way she was coming in she didn't

Evan: think he would be sitting there with With a gun.

Evan: Like, why not sneak in the back?

Libby: And shoots rock salt at her. And she's, like, not, like, she doesn't,

Libby: like, scream in pain. I mean, she's writhing in pain.

Libby: And I like, one of my favorite lines from him, there was, like,

Libby: he's, like, you know, that woman deserves her revenge.

Libby: And, you know, he says all of that. But then he's, like, you're going under the ground tonight.

Libby: And unless you want me to unload this whole goddamn can into your eyeball.

Libby: I'm like, you make the smart choice here or whatever he says from there.

Libby: But I, the whole goddamn can right in her eyeball. I love it.

Evan: That is also one of, there's like so many crazy ways that people die in this movie.

Evan: And I think she doesn't actually die by being buried alive, but that's actually

Evan: like one of my like, you know, biggest fears would be to be buried alive.

Evan: And when the, like the dirt's getting dropped on her and you,

Evan: camera goes dark for i don't know five seconds before you know she you see her

Evan: does she have a like she has a lighter or something it's or a flashlight yeah

Evan: the flashlight it's so she's a flashlight.

Libby: And you know that quentin tarantino made her put that flashlight in her mouth

Libby: like a huge dick like she had it like holding it in her mouth for like a minute

Libby: and then she like moves it onto her shoulder but like they made it very phallic

Libby: like very much on absolutely had to would have been on purpose.

Evan: Yeah and i don't think most of his stage direction from what i understand is

Evan: all very intentional he doesn't you're like you're not really meant to improvise

Evan: very much everything is very yeah he definitely put the flashlight in her mouth

Evan: and that whole thing too i mean i i just love the you know the like the what's

Evan: the word um the not centered not uh,

Evan: so they show her in the in the they show her earlier doing the training where

Evan: she's punching Punching the, you know, the board from only six inches away.

Libby: Yeah, like it flashes to her hymen.

Evan: Continuity. The continuity. That's the word I was looking for.

Evan: Like the continuity of those two things that seem like completely irrelevant.

Evan: I remember the first time I watched it in the theater, I'm like,

Evan: why is she punching the thing like that? Like, what's the point of this punch?

Evan: Like, when are you ever going to be that close to someone?

Evan: I don't know. Yeah. And then she has to, and the part where she breaks free

Evan: from the grave also is pulled from some movie. I forget which one now. Of course.

Libby: I love when she gets to the diner and she sits down. She's like, a glass of water.

Evan: Please.

Libby: She's like covered in dirt.

Evan: Oh, and they don't ask any questions. They're just like, okay.

Evan: She doesn't have any money. She doesn't have, yeah, she can't buy anything else

Evan: to drink. She just gets some, gets some.

Evan: Yeah. I'm trying to think of the other things from, I guess we've talked about

Evan: both movies, really, but, oh, I know what it was.

Evan: So, like, so we, so that's the other thing, too, is that the,

Evan: like, I read, this isn't like an original thought.

Evan: I was looking into other people's articles and someone wrote like a long,

Evan: I guess it's like an essay about, you know, that the movie blurs the lines between

Evan: sort of like what's good and evil.

Evan: And if you think about probably a lot of the people that their gang is killing

Evan: are probably also bad people and killers, presumably a lot of the time.

Evan: So they're kind of saying like, well, is it bad to kill another bad guy?

Evan: And like, is, you know, be actually bad? Is she evil? Is she good? You know, is Bill evil?

Libby: Yeah, I mean, everybody's just taking the money for killing people. They don't give a fuck.

Evan: Yeah, for them, it's just a job, honestly.

Evan: And I guess that's also the other part of this that brought up is,

Evan: if Bill is considered or should be considered an anti-hero, do you hate him

Evan: for all the horrible things he does?

Evan: He literally shot his girlfriend or whatever, partner, poly partner, whatever you-

Libby: His primary poly partner. His primary poly partner.

Evan: Like in the head, assuming to kill her, then steals her- Very pregnant.

Evan: Steals her unborn child, raises it, basically says like, mommy,

Evan: we'll wake up sometime, which is also really weird.

Evan: Like the kids, Bebe's sort of, when she sees him is also very-

Evan: i don't know.

Libby: Yeah no i hate bill the whole movie i.

Evan: Don't know how you could.

Libby: See him as i never see him in any other like aspect other than creepy old guy

Libby: with a lot of money exploiting these like beautiful women i don't know yeah.

Evan: For me it's kind of hard to see him as an anti-hero like i think of you know

Evan: some people talk about like you know and walt and breaking bad and these other

Evan: people where they're at some point there was some reason they did what they

Evan: did and then they crossed the line and then they're kind of gone like i don't think you.

Libby: Could ever say.

Evan: At any point does he you don't know what his upbringing was but he they all go to this.

Libby: Master to learn they tell you about esteban esteban who's like his father figure

Libby: right and that would make sense for like him being like part of like a poly

Libby: community is like not having like one partner like not being part of like a

Libby: nuclear family and having that as like

Libby: the example set for him so

Libby: like esteban being like a pimp

Libby: in and then having like the oh i forget

Libby: the name of the boys it's something that like all his like illegitimate children

Libby: from all of these prostitutes that he pimps um they end up having a gang and

Libby: like upholding so like that's where bill grew up was with this esteban guy you

Libby: know like that's his father figure yeah you.

Evan: Know actually i learned today too is that scene was filmed in an actual brothel

Evan: and those all the extras in it were actually people who worked in it.

Libby: Oh wow which.

Evan: Is sort of weird i don't know why they had to do it i mean it's very.

Libby: What about the one like was she an actor just the people in the background the

Libby: background people were yeah.

Evan: The background i don't think the first.

Libby: Person she talks the one with like how she got cut in the face no i think.

Evan: That that's an actor and then all the other ones are people.

Libby: Who work.

Evan: There but yeah Yeah, that's right. He does have a, also growing up in that kind

Evan: of situation, he already would be, like you said, he would already be used to

Evan: some weird, you know, polycule type of lifestyle there. And,

Evan: you know, he's teaching.

Libby: Yeah, like that's how he grew up. That's what he knows.

Evan: Man, this, like, you could probably write like a, you could probably write a book, you know.

Libby: Yeah, no, like it's, there's so many through lines that like that makes sense.

Libby: And I don't understand why no one else on the internet is talking about that.

Evan: Yeah, I just Googled it, like you had said before. You think even someone on

Evan: Reddit would have thought of this by now, right?

Libby: Yeah, no, yeah. I didn't see it anywhere, but it makes so much sense.

Libby: And the couples that you can extract what's actually going on,

Libby: I mean, that's all just guessing.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Evan: That's true. I mean, I'm not saying I don't buy this theory.

Evan: I think it's very, very plausible.

Evan: And given how you don't really know any information about how the other people

Evan: grew up other than Lucy Liu's character, or Ren, you don't know.

Evan: You know Bill, you know Lucy Liu, and everyone else, you don't know how Elle

Evan: and Bud grew up. They seemed like...

Libby: Well, Bud is Bill's brother. So I imagine that they had similar upbringing between Bud and Bill.

Evan: I think I mistakenly said before that Elle and Bud... Wait, no.

Libby: I think that Elle and Bud had a time together. I think that they've interacted in a romantic context.

Evan: Yeah, and it probably ended poorly, given the fact that she's willing to kill him.

Libby: Yeah, I think Elle... I love her character.

Libby: She's like a bad guy, but you still root for her.

Libby: and she doesn't actually they don't

Libby: show her actually die she's just like left blind

Libby: in like a trailer with a black mamba loose

Libby: in it in the middle of the desert like what if

Libby: she found a way because um she had called bill to say like oh bud is dead in

Libby: his trailer what if bill sent somebody to go and like clean up the mess that

Libby: like l left or um yeah that that supposedly bill had had killed him in his trailer

Libby: and maybe she could have survived.

Libby: Maybe she survived that thing. She's just blind now.

Evan: Yeah. I would presume that she probably did survive. Well, I guess the idea

Evan: is you figured that the snakes in the trailer would eventually get to her and

Evan: bite her because she can't see shit.

Evan: And the thing that's crazy too, apparently the, so Daryl Hannah,

Evan: one of her first movies was Blade Runner from like the early eighties.

Evan: And her, she plays like one of these replicants in it. And she has this scene

Evan: where she's, you know, know, in pain and getting, I think, hurt.

Evan: And so she apparently like used some of the same kind of, uh,

Evan: I don't know what you would call them, uh.

Evan: the screams of agony like from that movie from i guess it would have been 20 years like when.

Libby: She's like screaming in.

Evan: Pain at.

Libby: The end oh.

Evan: Yeah she uh that scene like every one of the i mean you it's easy to say that

Evan: the fight scene in the first movie in the you know in the the create against

Evan: crazy 88 is like the most epic fight scene but some of the other ones i think

Evan: are almost more fun because that one just kind

Evan: of over the top you know just beating everyone going down stairwells between.

Libby: Volume one and volume two i like volume two better i.

Evan: Like i.

Libby: Like how it's more like it is giving you context she's like the under like getting

Libby: out from underground in a grave like.

Evan: Yeah they have they spend at least like with sorry bud having.

Libby: To clean shitty water out of a stall and like getting yelled at by the cocaine

Libby: guy like i i love it it's it's better it's not like i love one and two but between the two two is better.

Evan: Yeah i agree well before i before i mentioned that so

Evan: i also learned this today is that the scene where the like the owner of the

Evan: strip club is like reprimanding him and he says like i you know in that fucking

Evan: hat you like take off that fucking hat apparently that line was added later

Evan: because he uh because um michael madsen wanted to wear that hat as part of his character.

Evan: And Quentin Tarantino hated the hat, wanted him to not use it.

Evan: And so he threw that line in to be like, I fucking hate your stupid hat.

Evan: That's cool. Well, but I, but to the point of like the second one better, I think,

Evan: I think the second movie is better. The first movie has that epic fight scene.

Evan: But again, like you said, the second one has all the character development.

Evan: You have scenes where Bill and Bea are just kind of sitting by the campfire.

Evan: He's playing that weird flute thing.

Evan: I don't know what it's called. Yeah. It's just all these little scenes where

Evan: they explain their character, and they're just kind of more talking and less

Evan: fighting. So I find it more interesting.

Evan: If you're going to pick one to watch, I would watch the second one.

Libby: I watch any, like I said, every time a man disappoints me, I watch that movie.

Libby: I watch them both. I'll sit and watch it right through.

Evan: Well, so you would. So maybe you would have sat through four hours and-

Libby: Not in a movie theater.

Evan: Yeah, that's true.

Libby: I'll watch it in my bed for four hours while I run.

Evan: That's true. That's a little better.

Libby: Bad about a breakup.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. That's a little bit more comfy than sitting in a sticky movie

Evan: theater with eating $19 popcorn or something.

Libby: Yeah, you can't go pee. You're in a mess part of the movie.

Evan: That's one thing I hate in the movie is you have to go to the bathroom.

Evan: I think there's some website where they, maybe it was just for certain movies,

Evan: where they tell you the moment to go pee in a movie.

Libby: Oh, damn.

Evan: That's a good idea. I don't know if it's for every movie. I remember it was

Evan: for a bunch of the Marvel movies that were super long. They're like at minute 64.

Evan: Oh, you can go anytime during a Marvel movie. Yeah, those Avenger movies bore me to tears, but,

Evan: Not to say I didn't see all of them.

Libby: You can just go ahead and watch none of it.

Evan: I want to see if that's actually true, if there's a website.

Evan: Yep, it's called runp.com, the world's most indispensable movie app to tell

Evan: you when to pee during a movie. So it's an app for your phone.

Libby: Hell yeah.

Evan: I wonder if you could press it to start when the movie starts,

Evan: and then it would have an alarm go off being like, now's the time.

Libby: Like, now's the time.

Evan: Actually, wait. Wait, the picture on the website is a countdown timer to when

Evan: you should go pee. Whoever created this app, I mean, deserves it.

Libby: Genius.

Evan: How do you even pick? Let's see. I'm going to type in Kill Bill. Kill Bill.

Libby: It says don't go pee. Watch the whole thing.

Evan: Can you, I don't know if you can actually do it from the website.

Libby: Maybe, maybe it's a good idea to go pee during like when she's having the battle

Libby: with the crazy 88 because that's kind of a long scene and it's like all the same.

Evan: Yeah i mean there's some cool parts where she you know is dodging the like.

Libby: They run on the banister and like.

Evan: That part is pretty cool actually the scene where i think where they near the

Evan: end of it when she gets to the top of the of the

Evan: landing in one of the rooms and they have a really cool shot where it's blue

Evan: and you can just see the shadows of them fighting also pulled from another movie

Evan: but also really cool looking i mean yeah there's so much um yeah so many good

Evan: um shots what was the other they had some other questions i was like yeah so So not an anti-hero.

Evan: I guess this is kind of like, I feel like this is all like the same question

Evan: asking, you know, too, is, well, here's the, actually, this is a separate question.

Evan: This is a, why would Pai Mei train them knowing that they're using their,

Evan: you know, the knowledge from him to just essentially be assassins?

Evan: Don't you think he would have not done it unless they lied to him? How would he know?

Libby: I mean, they say he's like 4,000 years old, right?

Libby: And Bill says, like, you know, he gets lonely.

Libby: What the fuck else is he doing?

Evan: I know.

Libby: It's not. And he's probably getting paid.

Libby: I can't imagine that Bill doesn't, like, he doesn't say, like,

Libby: you got to give me money. I mean, what's he going to spend his money on? He's got.

Evan: That nice house and that's it, right?

Libby: Lives like he lives like off grid well.

Evan: He has that at the end of the second movie he does have that where does he live

Evan: arizona i don't remember where he lives i forget but whatever it is he lives

Evan: in that really oh mexico right he lives yeah you're right he does live off the

Evan: grid in this beautiful place it probably cost you know a hundred thousand dollars

Evan: because it's not you know who knows how the who built that and.

Libby: He paid that off two thousand years ago like he's four thousand years old but

Libby: like like they he says like there's like a legend about paimei.

Evan: And that.

Libby: Like with like the monk gave him like gave him a or didn't smile back at him

Libby: or something and then he killed everybody at the monk place.

Evan: So another funny actually so this actually reminds me of so in

Evan: the movie the han hattori hanzo

Evan: the guy played by sony chiba apparently at some point in it they mentioned he's

Evan: like uh hattori hanzo 100 and the reason why they made that joke or that line

Evan: was apparently Sonichiba was on some TV show where he would die or be gone and

Evan: the next episode would return as like a different version of himself. Like,

Evan: number 52 or whatever number the third the fifth and so there was just like

Evan: the joke to call them like the hundredth because i have no idea how many episodes

Evan: the show had but presumably like,

Evan: that's the joke and so yeah there's lots of uh that's kind of a pointless fact

Evan: but i do think it's funny that they all i know i love the scene where where

Evan: uma thurman is training and he you know he throws the sword and it lands perfectly

Evan: inside of its holster and the little uh thing on

Evan: the side jumps on the jumps on the sword yeah it's just yeah the.

Libby: One thing that one thing that bothers me and this is a

Libby: continuity thing but um when they show uma

Libby: therming uma thurman coming up the stairs holding the

Libby: bucket of water her stick arms are so like not muscular the way that she would

Libby: be training like for like they said it was like a year or two years or something

Libby: if she's training that hard with paime that whole time there's no way that she

Libby: wasn't getting jacked like i it's just not possible.

Evan: Yeah that's that it is interesting that she doesn't have you know it's not like

Evan: she doesn't have um like uh the arms from terminator 2 with um the fuck's her

Evan: name oh sarah connor's arms.

Libby: Oh her oh man i work out so hard i'll never get there.

Evan: But like because you we did that we did that we discussed that movie like she

Evan: has she's jacked in that movie It must have been a thing where she was learning

Evan: martial arts and not lifting weights. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know because I train MMA and my arms start getting jacked from that.

Evan: Yeah.

Libby: So it says, I don't know. And, and the move when she like, um,

Libby: goes after O-Ren and she like hops

Libby: up and she's holding herself up on the ceiling. That is so fucking hard.

Libby: There's no way like I, I train hard and I could never hold myself up like that.

Evan: I would imagine she, that was probably if, if it was someone actually doing

Evan: that, it'd be like the stunt double.

Evan: But so here's is what it says. So apparently she trained for...

Evan: So she had just had her baby in real life.

Evan: So they paused the movie for a year because Uma Thurman had a baby.

Evan: And also Harvey Weinstein wanted to find a new person.

Evan: Tarantino says, if you do that, I'm not going to make the movie.

Evan: And so he's like, fine, we'll wait.

Evan: And so after she had her baby for three to five months, for eight hours a day,

Evan: Uma Thurman, Lucy Liu, Daryl Hannah, David Carradine spent eight hours per day

Evan: just studying martial arts it doesn't say they were doing weights and things

Evan: like that it was just simply like martial arts moves huh for eight hours a day

Evan: for three months that's just i mean i assume you get paid for that shit but god damn for.

Libby: Like for three months.

Evan: Yeah i mean well that's that's the thing too you were i mean.

Libby: You put in the hours you gotta know something.

Evan: Well you were saying why did derrick david caradine have to spend three months

Evan: doing that if he had like no fighting scenes in the movie yeah.

Libby: Doesn't yeah maybe that maybe he had other their ideas and they just didn't come to fruition.

Evan: That's true maybe he like he faked also he probably it probably would be cool

Evan: i don't know if you're making millions of dollars on movies,

Evan: i don't know what else you got to do yeah i don't know that'd be especially

Evan: since they pay for all your training like this it reminds me of um maybe.

Libby: It's a team building exercise.

Evan: Yeah well it reminds to get like yeah oh to just do it all together what reminds

Evan: me of like chris pratt how he went Went from not a lean, strong guy to doing

Evan: – I remember once I saw his training regimen.

Evan: It was something like six months of nine hours of training a day or something insane.

Evan: He went from just a random dude to just being absolutely jacked.

Libby: Like the singer from Mouse Rat to like – Yeah.

Evan: It's like to Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

Libby: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Evan: Yeah. Yeah, so that was the other thing I was writing down.

Evan: What was some other thing I was going to mention about it?

Evan: Yeah, I mean, I think it's, so apparently, so Uma, this is more like just a fact about the movie.

Evan: Apparently, Uma Thurman, when they were making Pulp Fiction,

Evan: was just sitting down with Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: And they were just kind of like shooting the shit, you know,

Evan: having other ideas. And that's when they came up with the movie.

Libby: Yeah, they came up with this character idea.

Evan: Yeah. And they're basically like, wouldn't it be cool if it was just,

Evan: you know, this woman who's out for revenge, and then he apparently wrote some

Evan: of the script, and then after Pulp Fiction, I guess, finished it or whatever, and,

Evan: It's crazy to be like doing one movie and you're making another.

Libby: I don't know that when they open the second movie and she's like in the car

Libby: giving the backstory and she's like, and when I get to my destination, I'm gonna kill Bill.

Libby: That's so fucking cool. Like it's it revs me up every time.

Evan: I mean, he is so in Pulp Fiction, essentially a huge chunk of the movie is about revenge.

Evan: I mean, the yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of other for other Tarantino.

Evan: I mean, the entire movie plot of Inglourious Basterds is essentially revenge,

Evan: you know, against Nazis, you know, for- The Nazis. Yeah, like,

Evan: fuck that. Yeah, you know, you could- Django.

Libby: Unchained with that.

Evan: You know? Yeah, is Grindhouse? I think actually Grindhouse is the only Tarantino

Evan: movie I haven't seen, so I don't know.

Libby: I haven't seen that one either. I gotta sit down. Yeah, I'll do that one.

Evan: I think that's the only one. I was trying to see if that's the only one I haven't- because he has nine.

Evan: Like, technically he has 10 movies, but this one counts as one,

Evan: even though it's two parts. So he has Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction,

Evan: Jackie Brown, The Kill Bill, Death Proof, and Glorious Bastards,

Evan: Django Unchained, Hateful Eight, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Evan: And actually, I love Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That's another really good one.

Libby: That's one I haven't seen. I should watch that.

Evan: And that one's sort of like historical fiction-ish. Like there's people in it

Evan: that are, you know, like...

Libby: Does he really have like feet in every movie? because in kill bill like they

Libby: have the scene where she's like wiggle your big toe.

Evan: Yeah and.

Libby: Like they show her like bunions.

Evan: Every time every time i see one of those scenes like that it's i just kind of

Evan: cringe a little bit being like oh really i'm in reservoir dogs there's no feet we.

Libby: Don't need that quentin tarantino.

Evan: Well pulp fiction's like the famous one where apparently the character uh when

Evan: uh marcellus wallace kills um kills uh someone for giving his wife a foot massage

Evan: like that's the plot in the movie right.

Libby: That's right yeah.

Evan: So and.

Libby: Like they're talking about the like nuances of like how how intimate is a foot.

Evan: Massage yeah yeah and like.

Libby: Comparing it to like eating pussy well.

Evan: Yeah that actually reminded me there's another what was that you You just said

Evan: something. Oh, nevermind. It was a, it was a different, it's true.

Evan: Romance is a different movie. Also written by current Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: And there's some foot shit in that movie too. He just loves feet.

Libby: Oh, I haven't.

Evan: Oh, that's a, that's a really good, uh, it's not directed by Quentin Tarantino,

Evan: but he wrote it to make money to sell to, he sold the script so he can make his first movie. Uh,

Evan: reservoir dogs which is you know.

Libby: Gosh i have i i my life

Libby: if you think of a movie and like has libby

Libby: seen this movie the answer is likely no and

Libby: i have made it a point to watch movies that i definitely should have seen by

Libby: this time in my life that i get on the treadmill i watch the movie and and following

Libby: along to this podcast it makes it so i watch the fucking movies like i have never

Libby: seen them i have heard of them but like didn't put it together well.

Evan: I mean i mean there's it's funny like i obviously watch

Evan: movies for this show usually it's movies i've seen not every time but then there's

Evan: tons of movies that i watch them like you know i watch it it's a movie that

Evan: came out you know in the 90s or 80s that i haven't seen so there's there's just

Evan: so many fucking movies i mean to you can't can't.

Libby: See yeah i used to be like picky about it now i'm just like oh Oh,

Libby: Fried Green Tomatoes. All right. Well, now I'm crying on the treadmill.

Evan: I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

Libby: Yeah. That one, I did really enjoy that movie.

Libby: It's a couple of gal pals that they had to have coded. It's very sweet.

Evan: Yeah. I don't know if I've seen that movie, but not for ages.

Evan: Yeah. I mean, it's funny. I think I tell you, I'm like, oh, these are the movies

Evan: I have coming up for episodes.

Evan: You're like, oh, well, I got to go watch those movies.

Libby: Yeah. Well, and then I'm like, okay, these are the movies I'm going to watch

Libby: on the treadmill all this week. That's how I do it. Otherwise,

Libby: I'd never pick out the movies for myself.

Evan: Well, I mean, in general, I used to have the hardest time. I mean,

Evan: this is probably speaking to like the streaming era of, you know,

Evan: like you're sitting down, you know, with your wife, your friend,

Evan: you're like, oh, I'm going to watch a movie now.

Evan: And then you spend 45 minutes clicking through like seven different apps.

Evan: You're like, well, we spent too much time doing that.

Evan: We're not going to watch a movie. But now I've like collected a list of movies

Evan: movies that i want to watch and so it's easier at least to pick a movie i used to be very much uh,

Evan: having a hard time picking now i'm just like well i gotta watch a movie for

Evan: the podcast i'm gonna do and then i'll just watch

Evan: a movie for fun separately or you know well i guess oh yeah i won't announce

Evan: it here i guess i could cut i'll send it to you after i was just gonna think

Evan: i was just thinking of the movies that i'm doing in the near future that i'll

Evan: i can share with you offline i want anyone to no one can uh i guess who gives

Evan: a shit if people know what movies are coming out I don't know.

Libby: You got to keep it exclusive.

Evan: Well, I mean, it doesn't, I mean, if people, they see the movie posted,

Evan: that's always a thing I always wonder is, it's impossible to know.

Libby: I like to have seen the movie before I listened to the episode so that there's no spoiler.

Evan: That's the thing I always wonder is, would people listen to a movie they've

Evan: not seen knowing that they're going to obviously know what happens?

Libby: No, I never do. I never do that. Yeah, I only listen if I've seen the movie.

Libby: Sometimes if I haven't seen it in a long time, it's fun to listen to it and

Libby: kind of re-watch the movie without actually watching it and listening to other

Libby: people's commentary on it. It's kind of cool.

Evan: I find I've listened to some other movie podcasts and some of the ones I do,

Evan: if it's a movie that I just don't think I'm ever going to see,

Evan: like, oh, yeah, I've heard of that movie.

Evan: I probably don't really want to see it. Then I don't care if it gets spoiled

Evan: for me, you know, or if it's a movie that I want to watch. And I'm like,

Evan: oh, there's another podcast that I like. They've been on this show, The Concessions.

Evan: And they do, you know, movies that I haven't seen or whatever.

Evan: It's like, oh, you did this movie. Now I got to watch it and then listen to

Evan: it. So I understand the, understand it.

Evan: But I'm trying to think if there's anything from the movies.

Evan: I don't like have any other.

Evan: So here's, so this, this happened recently with another podcast episode.

Evan: Like when you think about this movie from a leftist, like perspective,

Evan: I don't really, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't see much.

Evan: I mean, we haven't even really, like we've gone to minute.

Libby: Yeah, there's not, there's not like, I mean, I guess they're getting paid vast

Libby: sums of money and B gives up the money to go live a humble little life,

Libby: like, and being a working class

Libby: mom with this like dumb guy from a record store. well then at the very.

Evan: End of the whole thing when she runs away with her daughter i mean she has no

Evan: money right like she's broke she's they're staying in like a little motel.

Libby: Yeah i don't know i imagine that she

Libby: knew where a suitcase full of money at bill's house would be she'd saved like

Libby: she's got the sword she could pawn this she could she i'm certain she could

Libby: find somewhere to be do you know what though like this isn't on the leftist

Libby: perspective topic but the scene at the very end where she's,

Libby: like, on the floor crying,

Libby: like, escaping with her daughter.

Libby: She's, like, laugh-crying and, like...

Libby: that hard relate to that

Libby: bathroom floor cry laugh of

Libby: like my whole like this overwhelm everything

Libby: has come to fruition i am like i got my daughter back everybody's dead that

Libby: i wanted to be dead and then maybe that's her processing like she's finally

Libby: able to like address her getting raped for years while she was in a coma like

Libby: um like emotionally at that point where it just like Like,

Libby: she's, like, crying on the bathroom floor.

Libby: If there's anything to relate to in life is that bathroom floor,

Libby: fetal position, laugh, cry. It's absolutely, yeah.

Evan: I was going to say, like, not much of the movie is sort of relatable except

Evan: for, you know, like, her trauma and then specifically, you know,

Evan: the relief of, like, it being over.

Evan: But then now she has to actually come to terms with the fact that she may not

Evan: realize how many times she had been raped while she was in a coma,

Evan: but she had some fucked up stuff. She was buried alive.

Evan: I mean, her therapist is going to have a lot to talk about.

Evan: But yeah.

Libby: And then she's going to parent through it to this child who's a stranger to her.

Evan: Yeah, but it's weird, though. Even though she was a stranger to her,

Evan: it seemed like at least the only thing that Bill did that was probably kind,

Evan: it seemed like he talked good about her while the whole time to essentially

Evan: be like, we know when she comes.

Libby: It was kind of cool too, the conversation that Bill and Bea had,

Libby: that it was like they both...

Libby: Had the same amount of anger for each other, the same amount of forgiveness,

Libby: and the same amount of acceptance that one of them needed to die that night.

Libby: Like, they came together as emotional equals at that point.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. That whole conversation, whether, you know,

Evan: in his apartment or, what is it, house, whatever it is, is pretty...

Libby: When he shoots her with the truth serum shit that he made?

Evan: Yeah, that's, yeah, right. I forgot about that. Doesn't he also tell a story about Superman, right?

Libby: Yeah, so like how Spider-Man has to put the costume on to become Spider-Man,

Libby: but Superman has to take the costume off to be Superman.

Evan: Yes, that's right. I had the script open before and I was going to mention that

Evan: part, but for some reason the one that I chose was not searchable, so I couldn't pull it up.

Evan: Oh yeah, I think he also says Batman is... Yeah, right. Right.

Evan: So he says, yeah, it's kind of a stupid scene where he's like,

Evan: oh, I'm really keen on comic books, especially superheroes.

Evan: And then he's talking about them. It's very kind of-

Libby: Until the truth serum.

Evan: Kicks in. Right. That's what he's doing. I think he also was joking about how

Evan: Clark Kent wears glasses and the business suit, and that's his costume.

Evan: He does it to blend in.

Libby: That is.

Evan: Actually an interesting little- you know take.

Libby: On that calling.

Evan: You a killer like she you know is you know she is a natural born killer like

Evan: he's she she recognized that she's actually as you said before she is a terrible

Evan: person she's made horrible decisions in her life and now she can decide to you know not do that.

Libby: Imagine having all of that shit become your biggest turning point in life all

Libby: of the shit leading up to that to make her be like all right i gotta settle

Libby: down and get my act together here after being like a bathroom floor cry and

Libby: live a good life after this yeah.

Evan: Actually now that i think about it remember she she goes to japan she flies

Evan: to japan and like stays there so she had money my guess is she must have like

Evan: an offshore account or something where she has money.

Libby: Yeah oh one thing the

Libby: yellow suit in japan i i

Libby: wish that i could i have tried to

Libby: put together that costume in the past like I love that

Libby: get up and I got like yellow leggings

Libby: I got a blonde wig I got like a yellow vest thing and I put it all on and I

Libby: looked in the mirror and I just looked like Britney Spears with camel toe like

Libby: I did not look like Uma Thurman in the yellow suit and I I really I have I'll

Libby: have to like sit and like actually sew it with like a pattern,

Libby: and make it but that that is it's the coolest get up and like with the sword

Libby: she's got the shoes and the matching like crotch rocket motorcycle with the helmet it's awesome.

Evan: Yeah well i think the the yellow suit is what um bruce lee wore in um i think

Evan: it's in the last dragon or one of those movies so it's like another homage to

Evan: that but i also love when she when she walks Walks into the restaurant or the bar or whatever,

Evan: and the dance floor is clear,

Evan: so you can see from underneath her walking across,

Evan: and that's just a fucking cool shot. I love that. I love that.

Libby: Yeah. There's so much cool shit in this movie that, like, you know,

Libby: Quentin Tarantino, he's a weirdo, but it's made up for with cool shit in the movie.

Evan: Yeah, that is one thing. I mean, it's one of those, like, you know,

Evan: you can separate his probably shitty politics, he's a Zionist and,

Evan: you know, piece of shit kind of person in real life, but he makes good art, you know?

Libby: I know um gogo the girl assassin

Libby: like um oren's like uh

Libby: bodyguard like the little child who's like 19 or

Libby: something like that it it's kind of cool where she's like at a bar and there's

Libby: like this creepy old guy trying to talk to her and she's like do you want to

Libby: fuck me and he's like yeah and she's like all right and then like fucking stabs

Libby: him in the dick like that's it's awesome i forgot.

Evan: About that scene that is pretty uh.

Libby: She's like i'm penetrating you.

Evan: Yeah that like yeah that's there that's a goes back to like the very single

Evan: the like the main theme is that they they don't take shit from anyone like none

Evan: of them do you know none of the daryl.

Libby: Ham you know.

Evan: Uh every single one of them is not taking.

Libby: Sofi sofi's a little soft but But, you know, I.

Evan: Think I think I saw sometime recently, apparently they're going to re-release

Evan: the the the shoes from that. I think at some point they did release them.

Evan: And now, like, if you go on eBay, they're like 400 bucks because they don't make them anymore.

Evan: But I think they're going to make them again because there's the yellow shoes.

Libby: Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.

Evan: I once had those.

Libby: I don't buy I don't buy new anything. I only buy like thrifted clothes.

Libby: and if I do buy new shoes, it's like I agonize over the fucking company, their ethics.

Libby: I know not everybody can do that. I will maybe set that standard aside for those

Libby: yellow shoes. That's one exception.

Evan: I have no idea how... Yeah. Looking online now, you can buy them for,

Evan: from when they were released, whenever that was, for like $200, $300.

Evan: But I guess if they were to just be released as themselves, they'd probably

Evan: be like $100, maybe. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah. I don't know. I'd be into having a pair of those shoes real hard.

Evan: They're pretty cool. I mean, I'm not a fan of yellow clothing just generally, just not my color.

Evan: But I don't think I would wear these shoes, but in a different color,

Evan: they'd be pretty cool. like a i would.

Libby: Wear it with the whole get up oh i love it.

Evan: I'm shut i.

Libby: Don't even need to get on a motorcycle just wear the get up to like the grocery

Libby: store with the yellow shoes.

Evan: Oh it's funny you mentioned that hell the not the helicopter the motorcycle

Evan: it's also when she kidnaps the sophie right like puts her in the trunk and doesn't

Evan: kill her wait doesn't she like not kill her because she She wants her to tell the story, right?

Libby: Yeah, she's like, I want them to know I know. I want them to know I know that they know I know.

Libby: And goes through that circle like eight times.

Libby: Yeah, and she's like, I'm going to cut something off, and it will be something you'll miss.

Libby: And then they see it. She dumps her on a hill, and she rolls down a log with no arms.

Libby: it's so cool like no one would survive that like you have arteries that you're

Libby: gonna bleed out that like from losing your arms but man it's awesome anyway

Libby: you know like you gotta set that aside yeah.

Evan: It's what's one of those you just have to suspend most of your uh.

Libby: Yeah when um when she cuts off

Libby: the top of oren's head like i don't like how like it looks like they could have

Libby: done a better job with the special effects but it really brought me back to

Libby: like in hannibal lector where like he's like messing with his brain at dinner

Libby: like i just it just reminds me of that scene so much with like her brain showing on top well.

Evan: I think um because there aren't because all that was like practical effects

Evan: so i mean i guess that's if they had done it with because Cause there was no

Evan: computer generated anything.

Evan: I don't think in any of the two, like the scenes in the, in the,

Evan: like the huge fights in a lot of it's like they're on wires and,

Evan: you know, flying around.

Evan: And I gotta say like that scene is crazy.

Libby: Well, but like the, if you're going to cut off the top of the head,

Libby: you can't just have like a regular head with a brain showing like it has, I don't know.

Libby: It was a little, they could have done a better job with it, but you went, you go with it.

Evan: Yeah. I mean, of all the things I'd say, you know, it's fine.

Libby: Um

Evan: I don't think i have anything else on the movies anything you had on your little on your scorecard.

Libby: The only other line i like i

Libby: really love too is when the um strip club guy with the cocaine he says to like

Libby: the stripper he like gives her cocaine and he's like be somebody and like she

Libby: like does a line they're just sitting in his office it's like four o'clock in the afternoon.

Evan: I don't remember that exact line, but that's pretty funny. Like the...

Evan: Be somebody. A lot of the script is... It definitely is a funny...

Evan: Like, you know, all of his movies have humor in them, obviously,

Evan: but I think this one has a lot of,

Evan: funny bits that kind of uh separates the tension from all the just murdering.

Libby: Yeah there's a lot of great lines

Libby: like yeah i think my favorite favorite if

Libby: i had to choose from all of them is oren

Libby: on top of the table just cut

Libby: the guy's head off if any of you sons of bitches that lot it's the best like

Libby: now's the fucking time and i wish i could pull that one out like in my real

Libby: life and if you if you put buds like i'm gonna empty this whole goddamn can

Libby: right in your eyeball well that's yeah that's actually.

Evan: Yeah sometimes whatever what ends up happening i'm like oh i'm gonna add all

Evan: these clips and then i get lazy and i just add one or none because it.

Libby: Just doesn't take that much time there's just so many that's great and the i

Libby: love it and like the pie may laugh that's great oh yeah.

Evan: Well yeah it's one thing we forgot to mention is that the that l fucking kills

Evan: him by poisoning his fish because she's like a she's just cruel.

Libby: Yeah yeah she just him so she's like fuck you and he's like thousands of years

Libby: old in this you know legend and she like,

Libby: i guess that is like consistent too because she was she like wanted to kill

Libby: b just like in her sleep with like you know that poison shit whatever that like

Libby: she's fine with like these not honorable ways of killing people that's.

Evan: True none of her ways like she kills bud by not really doing anything by putting

Evan: the snakes and yeah she doesn't have she's she's more like the kind of killer

Evan: that would dress up as something and then trick you into doing something as opposed to.

Libby: Yeah like she does it like more of a prank than anything yeah.

Evan: The nurse's outfit's also pretty ridiculous.

Libby: Yeah it's real cool the eye patch with the fucking cross on it it's so cool forgot.

Evan: About But yeah, Kill Bill, volume one and two for people that hasn't seen in

Evan: a long time. I think they're fun movies.

Evan: Say what you will about Quentin Tarantino, you might think he's a piece of shit.

Libby: I know. It's unfortunate, but I can't let that movie go. I love it so much.

Evan: There's a bunch of movies I like that are produced by Harvey Weinstein.

Evan: This one was produced by Harvey Weinstein.

Libby: That's why I don't go do the research. on that because it's like I gotta not know.

Evan: Yeah it's one of those things where once you yeah you go down the you go down all the yeah,

Evan: That's all I got, but...

Libby: It turns to ashes in your mouth.

Evan: I know. It does sometimes. There's certain ones where, you know,

Evan: maybe it's beyond the pale where you're just like, well, fuck this thing, but...

Libby: Yeah, well, like, you know, like now when you look back at old movies with like

Libby: a modern view, you go, oh, fuck, that was really racist. I can't like this movie anymore.

Evan: Like every comedy from the early 2000s.

Libby: Yeah, like, okay, and Idiocracy. That's a really good example.

Libby: we all loved that movie when it came out and then to look at it as an adult

Libby: we're like oh fuck that was about eugenics and oh my god i.

Evan: Argue with people about that all the time that no one no one will.

Libby: Fucking yeah like they don't see it and but if you go and watch it and it's

Libby: like they use the arse for a bunch dude like you can't like we were fine with

Libby: it then but now as adults you go and look at it with a mature lens and it's

Libby: you know you gotta let those favorites go i don't want to let kill bill yeah well.

Evan: I think like every every um uh judd movie from like the early 2000 with you

Evan: know all those movies have just i don't know comedy is a hard genre for like

Evan: it to hold up because so much of it is based on the time period but anyway that's all i got but uh libby,

Evan: as a as always thank you for uh for coming on.

Libby: Yeah thank you for doing this movie i love this fucking movie.

Libby: Thank you for having me on.

Libby: And I hope everybody, ladies,

Libby: anybody who is involved with male partners, I suggest when they are disappointing,

Libby: watch this movie while you eat ice cream and instead of crying,

Libby: watch this movie and you'll feel better.

Evan: Instead of watching When Harry Met Sally, watch Kill Bill.

Libby: Watch Kill Bill.

Evan: I think for me, if I was choosing between those two, it would be no contest. that she's Kill Bill.

Evan: I don't like when Harry Met Sally, but that's for...

Libby: And if you have to only watch one, watch Kill Bill 2.

Evan: That's true. And you don't really need to know the stuff. Just go on Wikipedia.

Evan: Just listen to this. You already know what happens.

Evan: But yeah, anyone listening, you can subscribe, do all those internet things, and catch you next time.