There are some of our episodes where the recordings just fly by! And this was one of them.On this edition of Big Conversations, Little Bar, Patrick Evans and Randy Florence welcome former NBC Page and Emmy-nominated writer, Shelley Herman.

Back in the golden days at NBC when Johnny Carson ruled the network, Shelley was an NBC Page which landed her in the Tonight Show studio listening to entertainment history. We say “listening” because she spent the majority of her time with her back to the stage.

The NBC Page program (think Kenneth on 30 Rock) was basically a management training program at the network. Eventually, Shelley was writing successfully for the peacock. There’s some great stories about her time with Peter Marshall and the Hollywood Squares. And you can hear Randy's mind get blown as Shelly shares the secret about the frozen turkeys in the game show Supermarket Sweep. (spoiler alert….they weren’t real).

There’s also some stories about some of less “savory” characters Shelly and other Pages had to deal with. Bill Cosby was an issue already being addressed at NBC during Shelley’s time there. If you’re a TV fan and love the inside stories, this is the episode for you!

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