In this episode of the Collaborators Unite Podcast, Chuck Anderson sits down with email deliverability expert Amanda Roy to uncover why traditional email marketing advice no longer works and what business owners should focus on instead. They discuss the importance of sender reputation, engagement-based list segmentation, click rates, replies, and maintaining a healthy email list to improve inbox placement. Whether you're promoting events, nurturing leads, or selling services, this conversation offers practical strategies to help your emails get seen—and generate more clients.

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Amanda Roy is an email deliverability and Go HighLevel expert who helps online business owners improve inbox placement, automate their marketing systems, and build high-performing email strategies. After transitioning from a career as a health coach during the pandemic, she discovered a passion for technology, CRM systems, and marketing automation. Today, Amanda helps entrepreneurs optimize their email infrastructure, improve engagement, and turn their email lists into reliable revenue-generating assets.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Introduction to Email Marketing Challenges

02:01 Amanda Roy's Journey to Email Deliverability Expertise

03:45 Understanding Email List Building and Engagement

07:29 The Importance of Click Rates Over Open Rates

10:23 Strategies for Improving Email Deliverability

17:55 Preparing for Successful Event Promotions

21:53 How Amanda Helps Clients with Email Marketing

25:43 Free Gift: Simplifying Email Marketing Strategies

LINKS:

Amanda Roy's Free Guide: Why They're Not Clicking and What to Do Instead - https://example.com/free-guide

LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/amanda-roy

Website - https://amanda-roy.com

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Chuck Anderson,

Affiliate Management Expert + Investor + Mentor

https://AffiliateManagementExpert.com/

Hello everybody and welcome back.

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This is the Collaborators Unite podcast, Chuck Anderson here, your host.

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And this is the show where we serve big impact experts.

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And that's you if you are on a mission to make a big positive impact in the lives of your

clients, possibly even the community and the world, depending on the size of your mission

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and the size of the impact you really wanna make.

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along the way, there's different things we need to do to market ourselves and get the word

out there.

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We're trying our hardest to make the big...

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big impact we possibly can, big part of that marketing is email marketing.

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And this is a subject that I think is not talked about enough.

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There are so many misconceptions.

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There's all uh so many uh people who are using old information, information that we used

to share a decade or two ago that people beliefs in email marketing that

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people are still using and it's just not true today.

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And so today I have Amanda Roy and she is not only an email deliverability expert but

she's also an expert in setting up with go high level.

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So any of you go high level users out there who are also using that for your email

marketing, you have a great resource here.

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And Amanda, I am so excited to have you on the show.

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I know you and I have our paths have crossed a few times and

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Now you're finally here, so welcome.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm so glad to be here and I'm so glad to share this very, very important topic about

email marketing because I see so many mistakes all the time.

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Yeah, mistakes.

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then there, I would say that there's a lot of things that people don't know that they

don't know about email marketing.

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It's not just about open rates.

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Let me, I'm just gonna pause that there.

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We're gonna dive deep into that today.

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So if you rely on email, uh you need to strap in and listen to this entire episode.

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So, so Amanda, uh welcome.

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And I think a great place to start is let's share a little bit about you.

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uh What's your story and.

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How did it come to be that you are an expert at email deliverability and also the tech,

such as Go High Level and such?

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Great question.

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Well, I have been working in tech for about four years.

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uh Before I did this, I was actually a health coach, personal trainer, I help people lose

weight.

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And when COVID hit, everything kind of shifted in my life.

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And so I was like a lot of different people that I decided to start a business online.

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And during COVID, there wasn't as many people who were thinking about their weight loss

and their health, but they were building businesses online.

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So that's where I got started.

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I actually got started as a keep

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Partner I had never heard of a CRM before so it's funny that I'm here now because I

remember those days of like what is a CRM and as a business owner online do I actually

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need a CRM and it kind of started to I started to kind of deep dive into that and I found

I was helping people build summits because it just became an easy thing for me to do as I

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was building my own business online I was like, oh, yeah, this is easy.

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This tech stuff is easy.

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Let me help you or hey try this program or whatever and anyway fast forward to today

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I'm here I am I discovered go high level about three three and a half years ago fell in

love with it So I've been one of the many who have walked along with all the changes and

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all the updates and all the upgrades and even even this weekend I was looking at all the

cool things are doing with AI.

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So it's such an amazing program I'm so happy to be a part of it because I I truly think of

myself as a tech nerd.

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I love tech I love the nerdy stuff with building systems and automations and I could you

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was sitting in my jammies all day long and build things if I could.

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I just love it.

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So that's kind of why I'm here where I'm at today.

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I love that.

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And I love that you did this out of necessity.

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I mean, the pivot during COVID makes a lot of sense.

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A lot of people did pivot, but also as a coach, email marketing, building your list, but

not just building a list.

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Having a responsive list is a huge part.

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of marketing your coaching business.

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And I know we have a lot of coaches in our audience, so they can relate.

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I would imagine you had to do a lot of that out of necessity and one thing led to another

and then there you are, right?

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And so what was your experience with email marketing?

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What were maybe some of the challenges and such that you...

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were going through in marketing your coaching business that you you had to kind of learn

the hard way but now you're helping others overcome.

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Well, think building an email list is the topic that you hear all the time and some people

make it super simple.

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do this, do that, build your email list and others find it very hard to build that email

list.

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So I would say that the building of the email list is the most difficult part.

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But over the last year, year and a half, maybe even two years now, I think the timing

keeps going by too fast.

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I'm not 100 % sure.

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I think it's the last two years.

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Now we've had to look at email more

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So very different where it used to be.

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Hey put your email together It's like more of a checkbox, you know Do your do your weekly

email or your daily email?

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Whatever the gurus were telling you to do check it off your box.

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Everything's fine The email goes out to people they open it, you know, your open rates are

28 to 32 percent So, you know, you're in a good range and everything is fine in the world

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But over the last couple of years there's been so many changes with that that now we have

to wonder our emails actually going in

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their inbox?

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Are they showing up in the promotions tab versus the inbox?

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Are they all going into spam?

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If you look at your Zoom uh or if you look at your spam box, a lot of times you will see

Zoom going into spam.

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So if a big corporation like that is having problems with their email deliverability, we

probably are too as a smaller online business.

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So that's a big thing we need to take a look at today.

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And that I think is the biggest struggle I'm seeing with clients is that they don't even

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They don't even know if their emails are showing up and they don't know if their um sender

reputation is good.

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So I think that's a big challenge and something that people are aware of.

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So it's definitely a good conversation to have today.

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You know, um one of the you just mentioned a few terms like, you know, uh sender

reputation and things like that.

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And I guarantee you that there's people on here that are hearing that for the very first

time.

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So we can let's come back to that at some point, because I want to kind of define that.

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But, you know, I think for so many coaches, it's build a list, send emails to that list.

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and hope that they become clients, right?

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I'm over simple.

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There might be a few more steps in there, but when it really comes down to it, that's what

we're trying to do.

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And that's what the knowledge is of email and email deliverability.

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Like you said, there's so much emphasis on list building, but what about list

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receiving, Like you got it, it's got to get into the inbox.

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So, and the, like you said, there's the things that they don't know that they don't know.

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So, so let's unpack that.

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But first, what are you hearing from people who reach out to you?

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Like, do they know that they have an email problem?

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Are they suspecting it?

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Like where, you know, cause there's gotta be some level of awareness.

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I think that, that

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prompts somebody to take a look.

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I know you speak a lot of events and it might be just that eye opening, but what are you

hearing from people when they reach out to you?

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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I think the biggest thing that I'm hearing right now is that people aren't opening their

emails.

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They're noticing their open rates have gone down, their click rates have gone down,

they're not selling from their email anymore either, and so they're wondering what's going

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on.

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And a topic I've been talking about a lot is segmenting your list.

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And it's not just sending to engaged or people who have clicked, but it's also focusing

more on interest-based.

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um

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structure, mean structuring your emails where people are actually opening, people who want

to open your emails are actually opening your emails because we are so overly consumed

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with emails.

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And I know that I think the first time you and I really met officially, I was asking

everybody like how many emails do you have in your inbox that you haven't even opened?

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And I think you were a high number if I remember correctly, but I knew there was a lot.

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Yep.

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There is at least one person I was like there's that has at least over 10,000 emails they

have even open So if we're not opening our email and if we're admitting that we're not

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opening all of our emails Then we need to look at what might be happening on the other

side of that because again, we're in that Let's check a box.

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I send an email, but there's no intention behind what we're doing.

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There's no System behind the scenes.

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There's there's that possibility that they're not even getting they're not even being

shown

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not showing up in people's inboxes.

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So we need to really take a look at the whole overall picture of what we're doing and and

making sure that people are truly interested in what we have to share.

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low open rates, low click rates are all a big key metric that people are seeing that hey,

there's a must be a problem because things are changing.

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And I will say to that one thing that is is just the reality of the situation right now is

that we can't look at open rates the same way that we did.

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in the past where that 28 to 32 percent we knew okay good we're in that range everything

must be going good but bots are opening emails now you know we have AI that is joining all

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of our you know gmails and all that stuff and and now they can actually send open up your

emails and send a report to you of like the overall you know general census of what's

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going on in your emails so you cannot depend on open rates

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anymore, you have to look at different metrics inside of your email.

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um So those are the biggest challenges that I'm hearing a lot where people are just not

understanding why their email has changed.

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And we know how important an email list is.

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Email is still very much a sales um funnel basically.

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can still build your business and um increase revenues from

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your emails but you have to stop and really be more intentional than what we were you know

two years ago five years ago for sure we cannot check that box anymore so do you want me

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to dive into like what people need to be looking at

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I do, and I wanna make sure we emphasize first just a little bit of that open rate versus

click rate.

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you and I were talking before we started recording and we've both been working with email

for a long time.

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You just mentioned it too, with bots are opening.

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opening our emails.

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um Apple devices can also trigger an open that wasn't really an open, like opens that

weren't really a human eyeballs looking at your message.

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uh I personally look more at click rate.

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I'm wondering if you could weigh in on that and then yes, what else should we be looking

at?

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Yeah, click rate is.

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way more important than what it used to be.

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It used to be if you had like a 1 % or even under a 1 % it used to be really good but

inbox senders are really recommending that we have people do more clicks and essentially

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what happens when we add, like click here if you're interested in this, click this link if

you want to register for a workshop or those kinds of things inside of your email then

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it's going to tell your sender that

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These people are interested in what you have to say.

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And you're also making it really easy for people to just click a little button inside of

your email.

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So click rates are definitely more important.

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higher your click rates are now and the higher your replies are now, the more your emails

are actually going to show up in people's inbox.

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And that's something that people aren't aware of.

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If you look at a lot of emails, there's no buttons at all.

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There's nowhere to click at all.

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and people are just sending value emails, which is what we used to be taught.

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Send a bunch of value emails and then call it a day.

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You know, again, your open rates are 28 to 32%.

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You're good to go.

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But now you really want to have something for them to click inside.

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uh Otherwise, you're going to find that your emails just will not, they're not going to be

seen.

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uh So besides just the click rates, you're also looking at the replies.

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If you find that your uh click rates, even your open rates are below like 70%,

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And that's a new gauge you want to be looking at they need to be much much higher than

they used to be in the past em If you are finding that they are still really low those

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replies are going to be what you're going to focus on as well So like reply here with a

yes if you still want to see my emails reply here if If you know you want to hear more

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about XYZ topic things like that again that's going to show the sender and then this is

all what it's about showing that sender

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that people actually want to open your emails, that your emails are good, you're

trustworthy, and they're going to show more people your emails if you have more replies

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and higher click rates.

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So it's a very, very different game than it used to be last year, the year before, five

years ago, definitely 10 years ago.

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So think about everything you learned 10 years ago and throw it out the door because none

of it is the same anymore.

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It's all very different.

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and changing, and changing because of AI, the rate of change is very high.

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Like you said, there's a lot of AI bots that are opening our inboxes on our behalf.

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I have one, right?

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Because to your earlier point, I have over 10,000 unopened messages.

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And while I'm not going to go back and open those from this point forward, because we were

missing some client emails that were mixed in with

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uh with promos.

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And it can be a little tough to tell the difference between a promo and an email you

really need to read.

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And so more and more of us are starting to use AI to monitor our inboxes.

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And that's gonna trigger an open that really wasn't an open.

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And I like what you were saying too is that, are you asking for a response, either a reply

or a uh link to click?

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And so those indicators to Google and the other um providers are gonna be watching for

that.

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So I love that.

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um So we could really dive into the technical rabbit hole on that.

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I'm not going to because we would need hours for this.

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But so I think at this point, it's awareness.

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I want you all to know that...

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you know, there's more than what you're just looking at, which is your open rate.

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There's a little bit more here.

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So, Amanda, I'm gonna ask you, like, what should we be looking at?

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And what are your, what's your advice for people to, you know, get better deliverability

from their email?

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Well, the biggest thing I would say is to start sending emails only to people who are

actually engaging in your list.

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So inside of your CRM, whether it's Mellor Lite, ConvertKit, Go High Level, you know, all

those other providers, there's so many of them, they should all have filtering abilities

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where you can send your emails to people who have engaged in the last 30, 60, 90 days, um

or people who have clicked in the last 30, 60, 90 days.

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If you think about people who haven't done anything,

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in over 90 days, they're probably not going to be opening your email.

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those people, you want to set them aside for now and probably create a re-engagement

campaign, or re-activation campaign, another word for that, for those people.

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But when you're sending your email, I if you have 10,000 people on your list, but you only

have 3,500 that have actually opened your emails in the last 90 days, those are the people

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you want to focus on.

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So you're going to send your blast to just those people, and you're going to watch those

metrics.

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You will be amazed that your open rates and your click rates and your replies are going be

much higher because those are people who are really interested in what you have to say.

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ah Again, the other people, the over 90 day people are going to be people who, you know,

maybe they subscribed a year ago and maybe they have a new email address and they're not

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even opening that email address.

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I remember the days when we had, you know, one email and it was a big deal and now we can

have 10, 20 and I hear people will subscribe to a lot of free gifts and think,

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like that with an email, a different email because they don't want it to go into their

regular business email.

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So those people are probably not important for you.

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So don't spend your time focusing on them.

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The more engaged your email list, the more the sender is going to say, okay, this person's

trustworthy.

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This person, I'm gonna go ahead and send more emails their way.

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Something that has happened too in the last, I believe six months or so is that uh

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Google and Yahoo are actually delaying emails going into inboxes.

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So you might send a blast of a thousand emails out and you might find it takes a few days

for all thousand emails to actually show up in that inbox.

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It happens all the time.

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I see this every day working with my clients on this and a lot of it is because they're

like wondering, are they trustworthy?

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So the more people open and reply, then it's like, okay, I'm gonna send a few more.

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I mean, just kind of think about it like that.

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We want to be, we want to put ourselves in a position where we are showing up as

trustworthy.

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And you know, there's records for authentication we have to have as well, but we have the

same problem with emails in identity, you know, verifying we are a legit business and we

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have to, you know, establish ourselves as a legit business as well.

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So there's all these little key things, but I know I can go on and on and on and I

probably am rambling, but there's just so much to understand.

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when it comes to your email.

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Yeah, no, I really love that.

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And, uh, I wanted to mention events cause a lot of

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a lot of emails that go out are about events and we're very event driven here.

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So we have webinars and workshops and summits and panels and all of these things.

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And so many of the emails that we send out is, hey, this thing is happening tomorrow or

this thing is happening today.

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And it's not just us, but there's a lot of other people sending those kinds of emails too.

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What is your recommendation for the event hosts out there where...

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The timing is critical, right?

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We're trying to create that urgency.

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If we send it too early, we don't get the response.

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If we send it too late, those emails might not be reaching.

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So what do you recommend there?

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Yeah, that's a great question.

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uh Well, the first thing I would recommend if you are getting ready to promote or have an

event is you want to make sure that your inbox is prepared for it.

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You want to check to make sure that your records are all authenticated and all working the

way they need to be worked.

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And you need to also check your sender reputation.

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I you can just do basic test emails just to make sure that your emails are going in to

your inbox and not a spam before you promote.

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Because I know I've seen recently, I've seen a lot of emails that are coming in my space.

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box that are promotion based for a summit and I'm always like hey we need to fix this ah

so and I would take at least a couple weeks before you have a summit or an event to really

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test your sender reputation uh send emails to only the engaged for the first few weeks

before if you haven't started doing that do that now to make sure those emails are

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actually showing up in the inbox so that's the first thing I would need I would do is

really prepare the behind-the-scenes infrastructure to make sure that your

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you're set up and ready for something like that.

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And then for that I would also stop and think about how many events that you are

promoting.

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So like if I'm on a summit and I am promoting maybe three summits at the same time for

speaking, that can be overwhelming in the inbox.

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Now if I'm set up I'm probably gonna be fine, but I'm gonna annoy my list.

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So you want to think about that.

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Create a promotional calendar so that you know that you know when those emails are going

out so you're

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overdoing it to your list because if your list keeps seeing a bunch of promotional emails,

then they're going to stop opening them and that's going to hurt your reputation for the

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next week and the next week after that.

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So I would think about that, get a promotional calendar, mark it down and if you can

manage to put multiple events in like a weekly newsletter or something like that, you're

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going to be better off for that too because more people are likely to open and then of

course always in something like that you can always add a special link

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that says if you don't want any more of these emails, click here um or something like

that.

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Maybe not an unsubscribe button necessarily, but just something letting them have the

option of opting out so it doesn't hurt your sender reputation.

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It doesn't take much.

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It just takes a couple spam emails.

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um It takes uh one complaint, those kinds of things to really hurt um your reputation from

the inbox sender.

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And then now none of your emails are going to go to

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None of your emails are actually going to show up.

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So I know it's probably a lot.

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it is well and and it's not for me because I've been doing email for a long time but I

know for our audience they here's the message we want you to get is that your email

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deliverable deliverability matters it's not just about building your list it's not just

about sending emails you do need to monitor this stuff and you might not know what it is

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that you need to do or if you even have a problem and that's why

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One of the reasons, know, Amanda, I'm gonna get you to talk a little bit about how you

help people and how you work with people.

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And I know we have a free gift as well that, and so everybody stand by for that and we'll

talk about that in a moment.

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you know, what's the work that you do?

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Cause I know email deliverability, but also go high level and the combination of the two.

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Right.

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And so a lot of your clients are using high level.

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So how do you usually work with clients?

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What do you usually work with them on?

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And because I know so many of them, they understand the importance of email, but they're

not going to know what, how to do what you just said.

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Yeah, yeah, well, I do everything.

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For sure.

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uh But when it comes to when it comes to email marketing, the first thing is that I will

pull up their records and make sure they have all their records taken care of.

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And so I do that for them.

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And then I fix their records to make sure they're all authenticated.

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And this is when we're talking about SPF, DMARC, DKIM.

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So if you've heard that, you're like, what the heck is that?

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Those are some specific records you have to have attached to your domain for protection.

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uh And so the first thing I do is I make sure that

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those are all set up for clients.

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also put different types of uh automations in place for say bounce tags and um you know if

unsubscribe systems those kinds of things in place for my clients.

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So I build a lot of the automations behind the scenes and then I also teach my clients how

to uh how to check those bounce how to fix anything that doesn't seem to be working how to

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maintain their email list because again we tend to just

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We're building the list, we're collecting emails, and we're not actually stopping and

going, okay, every week I should go through and clean up this email list.

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Look for people that are invalid.

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Emails aren't working anymore because people email, they change their email all the time.

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So we work on things like that.

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I show them how to do that, show them how to filter.

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I show them how to uh send to just they're engaged, how to filter through for those and

create smart lists inside of Go High Levels, what they're called, where you send to just

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people in this

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category with these tags and maybe without these tags and then I also build systems for

clients to segment and that's something we haven't really talked about here, but also the

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importance of sending emails that are very intentional like I I talk about email marketing

in my emails I talk about go high level I talk about automations and I do promotions and

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Not everybody is interested in all those things and so I ask I just ask

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my list.

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I've been doing it since the beginning of the year where I'm very very intentional every

week.

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It's like are you interested in hearing more about this?

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Click here.

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They click, I get a tag added to them and now they go into a special list.

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So now when I have something I want to share about Go High Level, then now I send emails

just specifically to those people that are interested in Go High Level.

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So that's the system that I help my clients build out as well as a sell system.

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m We want to utilize our email the best that we can, right?

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And just sending a weekly email isn't necessarily going to do it.

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So maybe we need to have pitch emails and we need to have nurture sequences and we need to

have, you know, event sequences and we need to have qualification sequences and things

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like that.

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So I build all that infrastructure so that you can make your emails actually work for you

instead of it again being a list that we check off.

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So.

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uh

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you know, from from me to you, the audience, you know, as someone who used to manage a

list of two million subscribers and has had to do all of these things, uh listen to

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everything Amanda just said, because it is so important.

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And if you don't understand it, that doesn't mean it's not affecting you.

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So you that's that's that's another reason to reach out to Amanda and just just find out.

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Like make sure that it's all set up correctly.

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And if you don't understand the tags that she just talked about, uh again, make sure that

it is all set up correctly because if you don't understand it, it could be affecting your

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deliverability.

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Speaking of deliverability, you have an awesome free gift and I wanna make sure that

everyone listening in goes and gets that.

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Can you tell everybody what that is?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's called what to let's see why they're not clicking and what to do instead and so it

basically just it simplifies everything I talked about into like your first steps that you

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need to do inside your business.

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So just basic easy segmenting to get started because I know that's the thing I hear a lot

from people like well, how do I get started?

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I'm overwhelmed.

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I'm sure some of you are listening or like what I have so many things to do.

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No, we don't have to do it all.

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You just start with one thing and then start building on that and that's basically what

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my free gift will do.

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It will just kind of give you some basics, break it down for you, and then you're going to

go, yep, now I have this part of it done, I feel good, now I can move on to the next step.

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So that's what I have.

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And then all my email sequences that I have that go afterwards are all taking a part of

what I said inside of my free gift, and it's breaking it down a little bit more.

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And of course, you can always book a call with me as well.

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I'm happy to go over any of that with you.

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But yeah, it's just like, let's just get you started.

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to really pay attention to what you're doing and how you're sending emails and just

simplifying the whole process.

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So yeah, definitely grab it.

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Yeah, definitely grab that.

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And for those of you watching on video, I have a link to that free gift right beneath this

video, as well as other links for you to connect with Amanda.

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Great idea to go grab the gift right away and also book a call with Amanda because again,

you don't know what you don't know when it comes to email deliverability.

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We couldn't teach everything here in this short podcast, but I want to create the

awareness.

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ah Email is important.

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Email deliverability is important.

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And there are the tech factors that you don't really need to know, but you need an expert

like Amanda who can help you with that.

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again, links are all beneath this video.

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If you're listening to this on a podcast, it's all just open up your phone and all of the

links are right there on whatever you're listening to this, whether it be Apple or Spotify

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or whatever it is.

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So, Amanda, thank you.

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This is amazing.

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I know that we could have probably launched into like a...

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three hour workshop on this and still only scratch the surface because there's a lot to

know.

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But here's the good news is that you don't need to know everything.

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You just need an expert like you who can, you know, click all the buttons, check

everything and just make sure that you're structured properly.

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And then you're you can have confidence that your emails are actually reaching.

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So, yeah.

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important thing, yep.

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Don't let all that hard work of creating an email, writing it, setting it, don't let all

that go to waste by all your emails going to spam, guys.

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I say it too much, do not let that happen.

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And then when you have greater deliverability, you'll generate more leads.

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And when you generate more leads, you get more clients.

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And when you get more clients, you're happy because you're making more money and you're

making a bigger impact in the lives of your clients, which is what this is all about.

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Amanda, thank you.

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And I really appreciate uh you taking the time to share this with our audience.

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And I look forward to sharing this out.

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And I know our paths are, our paths cross a lot at all the various summits and events and

all of these kinds of things.

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And I look forward to having you come back and share on one of our summits or events.

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Cause we have one happening almost every month this year.

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And I just, before we sign off, just wondering if you have any final piece of advice or

words of wisdom.

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to leave our audience with as we wrap this episode up.

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Well, I think I've already said it, I will just reiterate it for sure is don't just send

an email and hope that everything is is set up and uh Going the way you expect it to you

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know, definitely do the work And make sure that you are taking a diver Diver or deeper

dive into what you actually have set up and make sure things are not going into spam and

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also Don't think about emails anymore as just collecting a bunch of emails You only want

to collect emails of people who are really

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interested in what you have to do.

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So just that mindset change, we're not collecting names, we're not collecting emails, but

we're actually being more intentional with our email list and we're respecting other

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people's inboxes by doing that so that you know we don't have more checks and so many more

other people in the world to have like 10-20,000 emails in there that we're not opening

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because it's not really what what's resonating with what we need right now.

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So let's just change our mindset around email.

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That's my goal.

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That's my passion project right now.

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Excellent.

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And I love that.

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And you're one of the very few in the in especially in our industry that are doing this.

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So thank you for the work that you're doing.

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Thank you for putting the spotlight on email deliverability because you know in in in the

pursuit of making a bigger impact, getting clients, being more profitable.

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Email is at the foundation of all of that.

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And everything that Amanda has shared with you here today matters and it matters a lot.

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doesn't matter if you're already a marketing coach and you're like, no, I got it handled.

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Or if you're really on the super spiritual side and you like to use your intuition and

your gifts uh to get clients, absolutely.

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And you can't intuition your way through the...

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technical aspects of email deliverability.

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And so when you rely on getting clients to make that big impact, this is so important.

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And I want, as I sign off, I just want you to remember that, you know, look, you might

just be one collaboration away from a big breakthrough in your business.

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And, you know, if you have, if email deliverability has been an issue, then Amanda is that

person to collaborate with.

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The gifts beneath this video, links are there to connect with her.

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And before I sign off, just want to say that, the big impact that you want to make is

possible.

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There's no problem or challenge too big or too small to be overcome.

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So reach out when you need help.

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Get the help that you need.

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Collaborate with others.

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Keep moving forward.

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And we will see you on the next one.

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Thank you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.