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The Wisdom Nuggets
Episode 5 • 29th February 2024 • The WizeGuys • Larry McDonald
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Mac:

All right.

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Welcome to Going Rogue, the podcast

where we unleash the unthinkable to

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help us see things differently, do

things differently, and influence

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our culture for the greater good.

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Welcome.

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I'm Mack, your host.

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And I got with me, my buds, man.

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I got coach Stu here.

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Hey, how's it

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Rev: going, Mac?

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Hey, Rev.

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Good to see you.

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I'm ready to get out of the box.

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Let's do it.

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Got

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Mac: the Rev.

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Everybody's grinding at it, man.

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We're just jumping at it.

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We want to go rogue.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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And tonight's going to

be a really fun one.

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Before I intro, before I intro this

session, This episode and kind of some

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of the stuff we're going to talk about.

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Uh, but Mac,

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Stu: before we get started, first

of all, let me say hello to all of

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you, exotic cocktails out there.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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So I have some news to share.

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All right.

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What is it?

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Man, so we launched recently, right?

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Yes.

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And we are now being listened

to in the United States, right?

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That's expected.

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That's where we are, right?

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I would hope we'd have a

couple of listeners here.

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My mom's listening.

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Check this out.

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We have two other countries that

are listening to us, Canada and

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Rev: Mexico.

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Hey, so welcome.

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Stu: All of you people

from Canada and Mexico.

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Yes.

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We appreciate you all being

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Mac: here.

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And go tell all

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Rev: your friends.

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How do you say going rogue in Spanish?

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Oh my gosh,

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Stu: I should have prepared.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

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Mac: ha, ha, ha, ha.

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Andale, andale.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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Let's go fast.

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Rev: ha.

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We should

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Stu: just stop, because we're not going

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Rev: to get it.

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No, we're not about to lose

our audience in Mexico.

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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

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Mac: ha, ha, ha.

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Okay, I'm done right there.

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You're right.

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Okay, good.

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Enough said there.

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All right.

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Yeah,

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Rev: that's

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Stu: really cool.

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I'm really excited that we've reached

people outside of our own country.

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That's amazing.

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We're all one.

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We're all

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Rev: thinking about the same

things and ready to go to places

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where no one's gone before.

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Mac: Well, it's going to get amazing.

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It will become amazing.

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It's already amazing at how

much there's a common resonance.

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It doesn't matter where.

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You live in another country,

live in or whatever.

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Okay.

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We're of the human, we have the human

condition no matter where we are and, and

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we're going to resonate with one another.

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So it's, it's really exciting to

hear these stories that come from

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not necessarily our home culture.

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So, uh, thanks for listening.

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Really, really want to hear your voice

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Rev: too.

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Absolutely.

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Get on that blog and get on that.

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Get in the cafe, definitely,

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Mac: and let us know how this is

running through your grid, your

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cultural grid, your, you know, faith

grid, your whatever grid, okay?

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Um, it's, it's a lot, it's fun,

and that's what this is all about.

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So here we are, and

again, I'm gonna update.

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Uh, guys, okay, here, gonna run

a little bit of a rabbit trail,

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a little bit of a rabbit trail.

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I know I kind of prepped you a little

bit for this already, but, uh, before

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we again get into this episode, we

just did an episode on, uh, and we

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called it on the unthinkable God.

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Right.

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We just, we just did that episode.

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And so in that episode, we gave

some perspectives that were a

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little bit different maybe than

the mainstream, you know, how we

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tend to look at God, if you will.

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And we did mention, we're

going to do a followup on that

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too, which is going to be fun.

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But in that same vein, as we're

thinking about God, right.

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And you know, the character

of God, I couldn't help this.

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I just want to throw it out.

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So here's a really good example of

how Some look at God and this is what

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we were talking about last episode.

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So here was a headline that I saw

this week and you know, Lakewood

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church out in Houston, Joel Osteen's

church, huge, big mega church, right?

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Oh yeah.

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And they had a shooting there.

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Tragically, I mean, a little

guy, little guy got shot.

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Um, and you know, those

kinds of things are tragic.

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I don't care where, where it happens.

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And we've seen this before and it's

not like it's unique to a church

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unfortunately, but here's the headline.

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That followed, you know, not, not from the

church, but from a publication out there.

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And here's what the headline

said Why did God allow the

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Lakewood Church shooting Why?

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Why did God allow that?

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And this, you know, this speaks to

the bigger, why does God let bad

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stuff happen to good people or what

has God let bad stuff happen, period.

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Did

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Stu: the article answer that question?

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Well, yeah.

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Mac: here's the thing about that.

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You know, when you pose a question

like that, then you expect that the

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article is going to have an answer.

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Right.

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Wouldn't you think?

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I mean, you know, hello.

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All right.

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Um, and of course there is no answer

to that, all right, that just isn't.

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And yet I would propose that that's just

totally asking the wrong question, right?

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That for us to even ponder how

to answer that question is an

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adventure in missing the point.

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And it has absolutely, it skews the

whole scenario into, again, a capricious

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God that, why didn't he stop that

shooting and stop, but stopped that

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one or that one over there or what's

different about, and I don't mean just

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church, I mean anything, you know,

or any calamity or any catastrophe.

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So You know, again, the, when you

read these kinds of things, the

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reason I'm bringing this up, we're

not going to spend that episode on it.

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I just wanted to tie it

back to the last episode.

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When you read something like this,

I encourage you, my encouragement is

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just discount it, discount it on down.

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And if you want to read the article,

that's fine because really the

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article talked about pain and

suffering and how do you deal with

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the unknowns and stuff like that.

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And again, you don't come up with an

answer, but maybe it makes you feel good.

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You know, you're not alone and

struggling with that kind of stuff.

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But, um, what do you guys think, you know?

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Rev: Well, sometimes

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Stu: it, it, like, the way I think about

this is like, Uh, stop sign and a lot

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of times I don't stop for the stop sign.

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I keep going because I want to, I don't

want to be stopped in my thinking, you

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know, like a phrase comes up or some

trigger point, maybe a trigger phrase,

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trigger word, something that might stop

me from continuing and I might be able

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to get something out of this article.

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You know, you never know at

a minimum I can relate to

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maybe the person who wrote it.

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Here's the thing that I, that

I, that I think about with this.

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God was there, of

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Mac: course, we said in

the episode, didn't we?

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Stu: Right.

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That's what we, when we were

talking about that and unthinkable

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God, I mean, God, God was there

and that's, and that's comforting.

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What happened isn't, doesn't feel good.

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It isn't comforting, but you can

at least find some comfort in

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knowing that God was there with you.

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Rev: Yeah.

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Agreed.

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Well, I'd like to look at that article.

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You know, I don't want

to discount anything.

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I want to get into the skin and the mind

and the heart of the person who put that

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title out there and begin to seek to

understand before I go ahead and judge

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that it's an old concept, an old idea

of God that has to die at some point.

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So let me just try to crawl

into that guy's heart and

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see where he's coming from.

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Why is a really dangerous question.

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Why would God allow?

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I think a better question is who am I

meant to be with what has happened here.

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And so I will be more kind and

try to understand this guy's

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mindset and maybe make a brother.

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Maybe reach out to him and say hey if

you thought a different way see sometimes

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being a rogue isn't about discounting the

other It's about opening up a field and a

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bridge to connect with the other And maybe

you know a lot of people are standing

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on the top of the mountain yelling down

at the people that are in the valley I'm

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saying I'm gonna come down to the valley

I'm gonna grab the guy's hand and let's

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walk up the mountain together and get

to a higher reality and a higher concept

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so discounting the article it may be

very foreign to me and alien, but Hey,

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maybe there's something for me to learn

here and, uh, where the two minds come

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together, something greater can emerge.

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True.

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Mac: love that.

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I do

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Rev: too.

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That's great.

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Stu: And I, and I know what we can do.

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We can send him a link to the unthinkable

God episode and see if we can inspire

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him maybe to see things a tiny

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Rev: bit differently.

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You know, some people

put things out there.

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Maybe this guy's just a rogue

and he's putting it out there to

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poke the whole religious world a

little bit just to get a reaction.

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That could be.

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Mac: Probably not, not where the article

came from, I don't think, but anyway.

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It's all possible.

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Uh, but you, you know, you bring

up a good point that, um, you know,

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if, if you're willing, and sometimes

I'm not, I have to admit, sometimes

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I'm not, sometimes I read stuff like

that and I go, here we go again.

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Right.

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Same old stuff.

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You're already filtering.

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Yeah.

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I'm

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Rev: already, yeah.

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I'm already filtering.

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That's not where you start, Mac.

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It's where you end up.

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So go ahead.

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Be human.

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And then move to a higher perspective.

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Stu: As long as you keep

moving forward, that's what's

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Rev: important, right?

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What are we,

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Mac: what we're talking about?

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One of the memes tonight

about falling forward.

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Stu: Failing.

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Rev: Failing forward.

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Failed with

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Mac: purpose.

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Let's talk about the memes.

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Come on, let's get into the memes.

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So anyway, that's that.

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So we'll just bring it in.

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Thanks guys.

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Those, that's great.

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Those are great perspectives.

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So, all right.

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Memes.

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Tonight's episode is, is entitled

The Wisdom Nuggets, right?

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That.

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We really try, whether it's in our

conversation here on, you know, in

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the episode on the podcast or in

the other things that we might do,

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whether it's a blog post, whether

it's a commentary or whether it's a

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mean that will put out very regularly.

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And we have a it's really

fun how we collaborate on.

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on those little memes.

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And if you're following us at all,

you're going to see them out there

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on our, our, our Facebook page.

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We push them out to Instagram.

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We push them out to, uh,

X, you know, Twitter.

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Um, and, and they're just.

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You know, we don't sit down

with a purposeful intent.

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Let's see, I gotta do a meme today.

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Okay, let's see.

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What's on, you know,

what am I going to do?

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No, it's, it's, it's whatever strikes us.

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If something comes along that just

moves our heart, something we're

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reading or something we heard or a

conversation that we had with somebody.

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If there's a poignant little message in

there, um, you know, we'll try to push

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a meme out by because maybe we're hoping

that as you look at it, as you read it, as

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you ponder it, maybe something will click.

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Maybe just meet you right where

you're at at that moment and

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whatever's going on in your life.

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or somebody else that you can,

that you can pass it on to.

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I'm not going through that right now,

but you know, my sister is, my brother

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is, my friend is my, you know, whatever.

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Okay.

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And it's just one of

those little reminders.

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We like to think that they're wisdom

nuggets that, that if you do ponder

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them enough and they get a little

pithy and we try to do that on purpose.

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Uh, that's okay.

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Um, But, but there's, there's

really a lot of depth there.

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And what we want to do tonight, we just

thought we'd have some fun with this, that

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we sort of pick some of our favorite ones.

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If we could even do that.

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I don't even know that I can

call them our favorite ones.

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We just had to limit it somehow

because the episode is only so long.

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So we're just going to share, you

know, some of these memes that we've,

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um, that we've done, uh, with you

and, uh, You know, we'll go from,

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you know, we'll go from there.

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Let's see what we got.

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If I can find,

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Rev: you know, we live in a

soundbite society and people are

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looking for something simple,

short, sweet to remind them.

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It's just like a jolt to the

heart, like a paddle going on.

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They're giving you an electric shock.

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Oh.

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I forgot!

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Now I remember!

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And this little meme, this little

idea, which seems meaningless on the

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surface, when you dig it down and you

drill it down, oh, there's great meat.

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There's great water and sustenance

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Mac: there.

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Yeah.

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And we hope so.

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We really do.

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And if there isn't, that's

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Rev: okay.

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We do it for somebody else.

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That water's

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Mac: for somebody else.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So, let's, uh, Stu, you want

to start with one of these?

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Yeah, how about that

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Stu: one right there?

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Go for it.

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Celebrate the differences.

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Covet the

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Mac: sameness.

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That's the headline, right?

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That's the tagline.

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It's up there.

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And the tagline is?

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Yeah, give up the comparisons.

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Give up the comparisons.

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So, celebrate the differences.

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Covet the sameness.

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Give up the comparisons.

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Stu: love this one because the way

I would love for everyone to, to

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be in relationship with one another

is to look for ways to connect.

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That's the, the covet,

the sameness, right?

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You're going to, no matter

how different you are and the

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differences are beautiful, right?

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Cause it'd be a very boring

world if we all were the same.

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But unless we were all stew, right.

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That would be awesome.

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Rev: kidding.

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Mac: Let's ask your wife about that.

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Stu: Let's not do that.

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But covet, covet the sameness to me

is, is it, the way I read that is I'm

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looking for a way I can connect with you.

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Yes.

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And I'm going to find it because

I'm looking for it, right?

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Right.

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And when I see things that are different,

I'm going to celebrate those, you know,

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cause it, cause I think that's amazing,

but I'm going to, you know, when I find

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that connection, that's what that's,

that's how I can really feel comfortable

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with anybody that comes my way.

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Rev: This world is full of bridge

builders, like you, like me, like

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the three of us sitting here.

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And there's more people out there.

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And when your mindset, people

who are looking to build a bridge

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will find other bridge builders.

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People who are looking to judge

will find reasons to be judgmental.

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And I'm saying, what

makes heaven on earth?

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It's, it's building the bridge.

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It's finding my brother or my sister

who, uh, wants to play in the playground

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with me, with the three of us at a

place that it certainly works a hell

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of a lot better than the judgment.

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We've got to suspend our judgments.

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We're going around judging

everybody as bad or as wrong.

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Stu: You know, what I see too much

of is if you flip this, what I see

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too much of is covet the differences,

celebrate the sameness, right?

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Isn't that what you're, you

see too much of that again?

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I don't want to leave it at that.

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We want to celebrate the

differences, covet the sameness.

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Mac: Yeah.

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And I ran into this in my personal

life here just this week with a little

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bit of a conflict with an individual.

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You know, there's also this expectation

that we, whether it's society that places

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it on us, whether it may be our religion

or our faith walk or our tribe or even

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ourself, and really what we're told,

and it's the struggle that says Wow,

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you know, that just isn't working right

that and and I have to make it right.

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Sometimes you can't and sometimes

it just doesn't get right.

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Now, how do you deal with that and

how do you not feel guilty about it?

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It is an interesting walk.

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It's an interesting contemplation

about how when you do have a conflict

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with somebody and they're just so

dang hard to love that you just.

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You just can't get there, you know,

and we like to maybe default to where

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we want to, you know, point fingers

or demean or that kind of stuff.

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And I'm not talking about that.

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I'm just talking about being okay with the

fact that just, just ain't working, man.

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Rev: You know?

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All roads are gonna lead to you.

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You know, Alan Cohen once said, uh,

something to the effect of, It's

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not the insult that bothers us.

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It's the part of ourselves

that agrees with the insult.

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So if somebody's pushing my buttons,

I got some healing work to do.

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I got some introspection to do

to go, Why am I so angry or upset

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or judgmental about this person?

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Quick, turn the judgment inside as

opposed to outside of you and then grow,

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heal, actually heal from some deep, deep

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Mac: wound.

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That

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Rev: person just was the actor that you,

you hired to play a role to tick you off.

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Mac: That is a very

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Stu: healthy way

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Rev: to look at things.

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I'm going to go through

the hiring process.

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I'd love to say I live there all the time,

but I may get an hour a day out of it.

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Mac: Oh boy.

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So love it.

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So celebrate the differences.

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Cover the sameness.

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Give up the comparisons.

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And, you know, these are

out there on the site.

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Not all of them are yet, but they will.

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Before you

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Rev: go, you know, the, the Buddhist teach

that comparison is a state of argument.

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An argument is a state of suffering.

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So if you peel that onion back and

get to the roots, our own suffering

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is caused because we are not able to

do what this meme is actually saying.

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I'm comparing your outsides to

my insides and I'm gonna suffer.

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Mac: Wow.

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Oh, yeah.

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A doggone riff.

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I think

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Stu: my mind's blown on the first one.

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I'm

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:

Rev: already convicted.

438

:

I can do any more.

439

:

You know, if I compared my outsides to the

coach there, I better get back in the gym.

440

:

Let's do it.

441

:

I'm ready.

442

:

Oh,

443

:

Mac: let's see.

444

:

I'm going to find one in here.

445

:

Okay.

446

:

Uh, this is one of my, uh, Yeah,

this is one I kind of like.

447

:

I mean, we just did it recently,

so that's why it's maybe a little

448

:

bit top of mind, but, and I wish

I could take credit for this.

449

:

I can't.

450

:

Um, Brian McLaren, um, coined this.

451

:

So I won't go into the details about

where I read it from and stuff like

452

:

that, but I'm giving him credit.

453

:

Okay, Brian McLaren, if you

haven't ever heard of him or

454

:

you don't know him, Google him.

455

:

All right.

456

:

He's a great guy.

457

:

And here's the meme.

458

:

Try being a thermostat

instead of a thermometer.

459

:

And then the tagline is

control your energy efficiency.

460

:

Try being a thermostat

instead of a thermometer.

461

:

And when I first read that, I

was like, Oh, that's brilliant.

462

:

Because most of us are thermometers.

463

:

We just take the temperature of

whatever's going on around us, right?

464

:

And react.

465

:

In whatever way, you know, that we do.

466

:

Our

467

:

Rev: lives have become

effect rather than cause.

468

:

And so we give all the power

away to what's going on in the

469

:

external world and the way somebody

behaves, the thing that they said,

470

:

and now the effect is I'm upset.

471

:

What this meme is saying is be

the cause of your own reality.

472

:

Mac: Yes.

473

:

Be

474

:

Rev: the one that creates

the greater expression.

475

:

Turns the heat up if you want,

or turns it down if you want.

476

:

But quit giving all the

power away, be cause not

477

:

Mac: effect.

478

:

Yes.

479

:

Yes.

480

:

That's brilliant.

481

:

You

482

:

Stu: like that?

483

:

Yeah.

484

:

I don't even want to comment.

485

:

I want to leave it with that.

486

:

That is so, cause that is

487

:

Mac: brilliant.

488

:

And one of the reasons why I did this

meme, um, and picked up on what Brian was

489

:

saying is because here we come into a very

contentious political year in America.

490

:

I don't know.

491

:

Again, you may be Canada and Mexico.

492

:

You guys got your own thing going

on, but I'm sure you can relate.

493

:

Right.

494

:

But you know, we're, We're coming

into a season here of, of, of a

495

:

lot of anxiety, a lot of media, you

know, stuff that's, I mean, a lot

496

:

of this stuff, and we, if we're not

careful, we're going to end up being.

497

:

We're going to end up just reacting

to the heat as it gets turned up.

498

:

And that's, that's not the way to have

the poise to be able to navigate it well.

499

:

Right?

500

:

Stu: Well, there's one thing I know

for sure, because the tagline says

501

:

control your energy efficiency.

502

:

It's much harder.

503

:

It takes a lot more

energy to be angry, right?

504

:

And mad.

505

:

And to have those feelings than to just.

506

:

Yeah.

507

:

Loving and kind and I

mean it's so much easier.

508

:

So why not just choose the, yeah,

509

:

Rev: here's the catch that whole thing.

510

:

We are the cause whether we like it or

not, whether we're conscious or not.

511

:

And so if angry people are showing

up in our field, guess what?

512

:

We got an anger problem on the inside

that we're attracting those people.

513

:

You know, the world is living a whole

bunch like a piece of driftwood.

514

:

We're a piece of driftwood subject to

the wind and the waves of the ocean

515

:

tossing us to and fro and we need to

find something to anchor to, something

516

:

to ground to, to keep our center when the

angry people show up, when the frustrated

517

:

people, when the mean people show up,

I'm so connected to something greater

518

:

that I'm not going to go with the wind

and the waves of the external reality.

519

:

I'm going to be of the

veritable presence of the Christ

520

:

Stu: is what I would say.

521

:

And here's where you elevate yourself.

522

:

When you're able to,

despite being who you are.

523

:

To change the mood.

524

:

The area you're in, which

we'll have those people there.

525

:

And you might just be able to

bring the temperature down just by

526

:

being you, which leads us to our

527

:

Mac: next meme.

528

:

That's the coach with the practice

529

:

Stu: plan.

530

:

Rev: No seconds, no seconds

531

:

Stu: are wasted.

532

:

Here we go.

533

:

You ready?

534

:

So here's the next one.

535

:

The world constantly

tries to make you not you.

536

:

Sometimes you just have to

throw down the gauntlet, right?

537

:

So think about this, that the

world right now, especially.

538

:

Is trying to make us be other people.

539

:

Right.

540

:

But this is going to sound like

a cliche, but, but it's so true.

541

:

You are the only you that will ever exist.

542

:

Right.

543

:

And why hold that?

544

:

Like, why hold that back from people?

545

:

Like people need to experience you as you

546

:

Rev: are the gospel of Thomas.

547

:

Uh, which is one of those Gnostic

Gospels that got kicked out

548

:

because it didn't fit an agenda.

549

:

But it says basically, bring

forth that which is within

550

:

you and it will give you life.

551

:

And if you don't bring it forth,

it's going to destroy you.

552

:

Mac: Hmm.

553

:

Harbor?

554

:

Harbor some stuff?

555

:

Yeah.

556

:

It's

557

:

Rev: saying take control.

558

:

Be yourself.

559

:

Be fully you.

560

:

Be the God essence that's

chosen to express at the

561

:

point of view or you're dying.

562

:

Mac: Period.

563

:

Well, you know, there's a lot of stuff

going on out there about, you know, you,

564

:

you are enough and you know, love yourself

and all of those are good concepts.

565

:

Don't get me wrong.

566

:

I'm, you know, a lot of people out there

are helping people in those realms, but

567

:

I think what, what, you know, what you

just heard the Rebs say, what you heard

568

:

coach Stu say that we have the ability.

569

:

innately to control this, all right, that,

you know, there is a beautiful essence

570

:

within each one of us that we can't afford

to let get tamped down, that we can't let

571

:

get, afford to get conformed to the norm

or to the tribe or to whatever culture.

572

:

I mean, it's okay to be part of all

those things, but the minute that's

573

:

your identity and that's who you are,

then you're really not you anymore.

574

:

That's true.

575

:

You know, your individuality

576

:

Rev: is necessary, not just for your

own expression, but for the planet.

577

:

You're not an accident.

578

:

And when you shut it down,

you're saying God doing business

579

:

as me is not good enough.

580

:

Right.

581

:

So let me just fit somebody else's

mold and fit into their box.

582

:

And you're just actually telling

the universe you create junk.

583

:

No, no, no.

584

:

God doesn't create junk.

585

:

God creates necessary components

to make the world fantastic.

586

:

Stu: And I know that I, when I

was younger, I was trying to be

587

:

the me that other, I felt other

people wanted me to be right.

588

:

And I thought that was just something.

589

:

That was true when I was

younger, but guess what?

590

:

Like this happens with adults too.

591

:

It doesn't matter the age or the decade.

592

:

But I have to end with something fun.

593

:

Then we can go to the next meme, right?

594

:

So you can't talk about

this meme without a Dr.

595

:

Seuss quote.

596

:

Okay, you ready?

597

:

Today you are you.

598

:

That is truer than true.

599

:

There is no one alive

who is you er than you.

600

:

I love Dr.

601

:

Seuss.

602

:

Mac: You er than you.

603

:

So I think that might be a

good place right there to

604

:

just sort of Exhale into that.

605

:

You er than you.

606

:

Nobody, nobody's you are than you and

you are a beautiful what it's to say

607

:

in the very beginning of the podcast,

beautiful, exotic cocktails, you and

608

:

we, and we can't, and we, we got to give

credit where credit's due there too.

609

:

Right.

610

:

We love that saying and we've said it

for years, but we heard him say it first.

611

:

Rob Bell.

612

:

Yeah.

613

:

Rob Bell said it first, right?

614

:

We've seen him several times.

615

:

Rev: I'm thinking of

that scene from the help.

616

:

So we got the movie guy across

from me here, but there's that

617

:

scene when the woman is talking to

the kids saying you is beautiful.

618

:

You is necessary.

619

:

You is important.

620

:

You is intelligent.

621

:

Everybody needs to hear that.

622

:

Yes.

623

:

You, the you that God created is, is

necessary and worthy and full of, full

624

:

of light and love and absolutely don't

waste one ounce of your breath, your

625

:

Thought your hearts, your being, your

body to make this world an amazing place.

626

:

So

627

:

Stu: two quick thoughts with that, because

that, that is an amazing, that's amazing.

628

:

Right.

629

:

Is one, be that person that says that

to somebody, don't just keep it in your

630

:

head or in your mind, or I thought it

of somebody and I'm not going to say it.

631

:

I'm holding it back like

unintentionally probably, but don't.

632

:

Like say it.

633

:

And secondly, if you're not having

anybody say it to you, look in

634

:

the mirror and say it to yourself.

635

:

Mac: Right?

636

:

Why not?

637

:

Yeah.

638

:

Or replay this podcast

episode over and over again.

639

:

Because why are you looking in the mirror?

640

:

Right in front of

641

:

Rev: your mirror, stand there

naked with the three rogers.

642

:

Mac: I didn't say that.

643

:

I love you, man.

644

:

I love you, man.

645

:

Uses you.

646

:

All right.

647

:

We're going to leave you with that cause.

648

:

It's being

649

:

Rev: calm.

650

:

Sorry, Mac.

651

:

It's you gotta be the cause of

a new reality for the world and

652

:

not the effect of the world.

653

:

Oh, there you go.

654

:

Stu: There's a

655

:

Rev: new

656

:

Mac: meme.

657

:

It's all good.

658

:

It's all good.

659

:

We love this.

660

:

This is so fun.

661

:

So take that.

662

:

And, uh, we'll be right back.

663

:

Hang on a sec.

664

:

All right.

665

:

Welcome back, uh, to going rogue

and our walk through our memes

666

:

and hopefully you're getting some

wisdom nuggets out of all this.

667

:

Cause you know, we, we, we titled

entitled, you know, with wisdom in the

668

:

title because at the core of it, I think

you can find an attitude of the mind and

669

:

an attitude of the heart that helps you.

670

:

Become more wise if

you'll ponder something.

671

:

No, you're not going to

relate to every one of these.

672

:

We get that.

673

:

Okay.

674

:

I mean, you know, but at the same time,

if it's not these, then what medium

675

:

do you use to help you stimulate You

know, those kinds of perspectives that

676

:

help you make better decisions that

you become more wise over and able

677

:

to navigate life a little bit better.

678

:

So, hopefully we're adding

to that list for you.

679

:

Just little tools you keep in your

680

:

Rev: toolbox.

681

:

Right.

682

:

And they're at the edge of your mind,

the edge of your life, and you can

683

:

pull them out when you need them.

684

:

Sometimes you're not going to need

a screwdriver, you need a wrench.

685

:

Yep.

686

:

You know, just find the

tools and keep them close.

687

:

Mac: Absolutely.

688

:

And there's, I think I, I do have a

meme in there somewhere in the whole

689

:

mix of the hundreds that I've done

that said, no, the difference when

690

:

you need a wrench or a, you know, or

the sledgehammer, you know, also know

691

:

which right, the right tool to use.

692

:

But anyway, I digress.

693

:

Rev: If the only tool you've got is a

hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

694

:

That's exactly,

695

:

Mac: that's right.

696

:

So, uh, all right.

697

:

So here we go.

698

:

Here's, here's one of my favorites.

699

:

This is one of my favorites.

700

:

Here's what it says.

701

:

Unzip your fly, go ahead.

702

:

I'm waiting.

703

:

Go ahead.

704

:

Go to just follow me.

705

:

Go ahead.

706

:

Unzip your fly.

707

:

Now resist the temptation to zip it up.

708

:

Think with that for a little second.

709

:

Then here's the tagline.

710

:

Welcome to the other side.

711

:

Hmm.

712

:

Rev: Let it all hang out, baby.

713

:

Everything you've got, let it all hang

714

:

Mac: out.

715

:

There it is.

716

:

Okay.

717

:

Just, just think about the vulnerability,

especially guys more than girls.

718

:

I am a women and females.

719

:

I understand this.

720

:

Okay.

721

:

But you peel back the onion

here a little bit gang.

722

:

I think, you know, you're smart enough.

723

:

You get it.

724

:

All right.

725

:

I don't really have to walk you down

through with by the hand, but when

726

:

you unzip your, Norm, when you unzip

your covering, when you unzip that

727

:

thing that hides, you know, you,

um, you know, you're vulnerable.

728

:

You open yourself up in a

way that five seconds before.

729

:

When you're, when it was

zipped up that you weren't.

730

:

So what does that do for you?

731

:

A again, do you have an immediate thing

that says, Oh my gosh, my flies open zip?

732

:

Or are you willing to set with that a

little bit and go to the, what we'll call

733

:

the other side of your thinking, the other

side of the norm, the other side of the

734

:

tracks, the other side, that's a journey

that We encourage everybody to take what

735

:

Stu: I think about and where the growth

occurs for me is when somebody else points

736

:

it out Oh, I may see it and think, okay,

yeah, this is what I want right now.

737

:

I'm here.

738

:

And then someone points

it out and like, Oh.

739

:

I've been noticed, right?

740

:

We see you.

741

:

We see you.

742

:

Like, what do you do then?

743

:

That's, that's where the real growth

744

:

Rev: occurs.

745

:

And the zip up isn't

because somebody saw me.

746

:

It's because I'm afraid of

what they're going to see.

747

:

So it's my own fear.

748

:

You know, there's, there are tribes

in the African continent that

749

:

greet each other with the greeting.

750

:

They don't say hello, how you doing?

751

:

How are you?

752

:

They say, I am here to be seen and the

response is I see you and I am here.

753

:

Wow.

754

:

This

755

:

Stu: sounds just like Avatar, the movie.

756

:

That's right.

757

:

I see you.

758

:

That's how they greet

each other in that movie.

759

:

And I always love that.

760

:

Cause it's exactly what

you're talking about.

761

:

I

762

:

Rev: see it's a world that's authentic.

763

:

We kind of live in a fallacy world.

764

:

It's a fake world.

765

:

It's this, this movie that we've created

of what we think other people can handle

766

:

Mac: about us.

767

:

There's insight right there.

768

:

That's beautiful.

769

:

Yeah, I like it.

770

:

So that's awesome.

771

:

We're challenging you gang.

772

:

Go ahead.

773

:

Yeah, even if you want to just

do it in the comfort of your own

774

:

bedroom Or your own living room just

775

:

Stu: well, you gotta

get you got to get out

776

:

Mac: there.

777

:

Well, that's true.

778

:

That's true, too I agree.

779

:

You could start there.

780

:

Yes

781

:

Stu: Just look in a mirror again.

782

:

We're back to the mirror.

783

:

Look back in the mirror

and make sure you're okay.

784

:

And then walk outside the room and strut

785

:

Mac: it.

786

:

I gotta be me.

787

:

I

788

:

Rev: gotta be me.

789

:

Mac: I mean, think about it.

790

:

One

791

:

Stu: thing I've learned over the

years is if you look like you know

792

:

what you're doing and you're supposed

to be doing it and you're supposed

793

:

to be there, nobody questions you.

794

:

Yep.

795

:

Rev: Right.

796

:

Right.

797

:

Confidence in yourself exudes.

798

:

Stu: I've walked into so many

places I wasn't supposed to be,

799

:

but I looked like I was supposed

to be there and acted like it.

800

:

And they just let me go.

801

:

Rev: Wedding crasher.

802

:

Here

803

:

Stu: we go.

804

:

I am the ultimate wedding crasher.

805

:

I used to crash weddings with my mom.

806

:

Story for another

episode, but funny enough.

807

:

Okay.

808

:

Oh,

809

:

Rev: you're going to pull up a stew meme.

810

:

How about a stew meme?

811

:

A toad stew meme.

812

:

stew ever?

813

:

Oh my

814

:

Mac: gosh.

815

:

Here it is.

816

:

Go ahead, Stu.

817

:

Read

818

:

Rev: it, man.

819

:

Stu: I'm going to read my own meme.

820

:

All right, here we go.

821

:

All right, if we, if we learn

from our mistakes, why are we

822

:

always so afraid of making them?

823

:

Mac: There's a mic drop.

824

:

I don't want

825

:

Rev: to learn anymore.

826

:

I've learned enough.

827

:

Mac: You know, this reminds

me of what you just said.

828

:

What do you think this reminds me of?

829

:

What's that?

830

:

Your mom.

831

:

Oh, yeah.

832

:

Right.

833

:

Yeah.

834

:

You got to tell

835

:

Rev: that

836

:

Stu: story.

837

:

Okay.

838

:

So my, my, okay.

839

:

Quick story.

840

:

My mom is a Sicilian Italian, right?

841

:

Youngest of nine, huge family, right?

842

:

Um, does a lot of reading.

843

:

There was a friend of

mine that wrote a book.

844

:

Uh, and my wife and myself and

my daughter were in the book.

845

:

It was a personal growth book.

846

:

So I thought, my mom's a big reader.

847

:

I'm going to send her this

book, you know, how awesome.

848

:

And so I sent her the book.

849

:

She calls me up and says, what is this?

850

:

I said, this is the book

that I told you about.

851

:

My friend wrote it, I

helped her and we're in it.

852

:

Like read it.

853

:

I'm chapter five, you know, and she's

like, well, what's this book about?

854

:

I'm like, you know, it's just

kind of like personal growth.

855

:

And she's like, Johnny.

856

:

Cause I'm not just coach Stu,

I'm Johnny, Johnny, I like my

857

:

issues just the way they are.

858

:

And I sat

859

:

Mac: there and I was like, huh?

860

:

Rev: Like, what?

861

:

Stu: I don't have any response to

862

:

Rev: that.

863

:

Like,

864

:

Mac: that's just, that's

just who my mom is.

865

:

She

866

:

Rev: likes her issues

just the way they are.

867

:

And how authentic of her?

868

:

Mac: So anyway, I know, that

just made me think of that

869

:

Rev: just in a moment, right there.

870

:

Yeah, that was,

871

:

Stu: that was cool.

872

:

But yeah, so, if we learn

from our mistakes, Mac.

873

:

Why are, if you learn from your mistakes,

why are you so afraid to make them?

874

:

Come on, man.

875

:

Mac: Cause a lot of, most of the time

they're painful in the beginning.

876

:

Okay.

877

:

Go

878

:

Stu: back to the beginning.

879

:

Yeah.

880

:

Learn,

881

:

Mac: learn.

882

:

Yeah.

883

:

That means I have to learn

to react to it better.

884

:

All right.

885

:

It challenges me.

886

:

It calls me out when I don't react.

887

:

Here's what I thought this week.

888

:

I'll kind of.

889

:

Give you some framework.

890

:

You know, when I told you earlier that

I was kind of having this challenge

891

:

this week with a particular individual

and one of my first reactions.

892

:

Now, I didn't do this.

893

:

I didn't do it.

894

:

Okay, so I'm just telling you

right now that's progress.

895

:

That's right.

896

:

I didn't do this.

897

:

But here was what I thought.

898

:

Really?

899

:

Well, why did you let

me affect you that way?

900

:

It was kind of my internal mind going.

901

:

Well, If you have a problem with that,

it's really kind of your problem, not my

902

:

problem, you know, I mean, now I didn't,

I wasn't about to pull away from all

903

:

responsibility in the, in the, in the

conversation, but at the same time, it

904

:

was really more about, again, what, you

know, what do we need to learn as Rev

905

:

was already talking about earlier in

order to grow through the experience,

906

:

I think that's really what we're,

907

:

Rev: you know, when I began to

really grow, cause I was pretty

908

:

stagnant for a lot of my life.

909

:

Yeah.

910

:

Is when I made peace with failure,

when I realized that failure was an

911

:

exciting, fun adventure, and that I was

never going to get better at playing the

912

:

piano, at singing, at sports, I was never

going to get better if I didn't fail.

913

:

So I could stay mediocre.

914

:

I could be a mediocre baseball

player, or I could fail, strike

915

:

out, and learn something.

916

:

And then the next time up the bat,

maybe I'll get it to first base,

917

:

maybe a home run is in my future.

918

:

There you go.

919

:

But I had to make peace with the failures.

920

:

They're not bad things.

921

:

They're not terrible things.

922

:

They're necessary

things, if we're growing.

923

:

Mac: So true.

924

:

What do you tell your, uh What do you tell

925

:

Rev: your wrestlers?

926

:

Stu: You know, it's interesting, when

you were just talking, Rev, we have

927

:

a sign in our room that reads, in our

wrestling room, that reads 10 80 10.

928

:

Have you ever seen this concept?

929

:

Okay, so, the 80, the 10 on the

left, are the people that just do

930

:

not care to do life or do wrestling

in our case, do sports any better.

931

:

They're like, good enough.

932

:

They're just good.

933

:

Yeah.

934

:

Good.

935

:

The 80 percent are mediocre.

936

:

They're like, okay, like

I'm happy with where I'm at.

937

:

I have some success.

938

:

The 10 percent on the right are the

ones that are like, they are pushing and

939

:

challenging themselves and they're failing

and growing and failing and growing.

940

:

So we typically have the

majority of our team in the 80.

941

:

And they're happy being there and it's

always a challenge to get them to move

942

:

into the 10 on the right Where they're

really challenging and growing because

943

:

they have to fail to your point Rev

They have to fail they have to go out

944

:

there and they have to lose They have

to lose a match to be able to get better

945

:

And of course, we're not trying to

do that But when it happens it allows

946

:

us to help them to learn and grow.

947

:

Absolutely.

948

:

Get to

949

:

Rev: the point where you celebrate the

failure, you celebrate the mistake.

950

:

And then not only do you grow,

but you, as you mentioned

951

:

earlier, everybody's watching

952

:

Mac: you, man,

953

:

Rev: they're getting better.

954

:

I'm going to go ahead and fail too.

955

:

And we're going to celebrate it and have

a wonderful party that we all messed

956

:

up and we're doing it better tomorrow.

957

:

Mac: There we are.

958

:

Cause it's the human condition.

959

:

For the most part, right?

960

:

Try going through life

thinking you're not.

961

:

Well,

962

:

Rev: all these memes tie together.

963

:

If I fail publicly, oh, I've had to unzip.

964

:

I have to be completely out

there for the world to see.

965

:

I didn't measure up.

966

:

Here's

967

:

Stu: the thing when you do that and

what I've learned in some of the

968

:

smaller groups that I've led is when

you share that, there is at minimum

969

:

three other people that are like, I.

970

:

Same thing.

971

:

I did the same thing.

972

:

I had the same thought, whatever it is.

973

:

And I didn't know anybody else

did the same thing and had the

974

:

same thought until you spoke up.

975

:

So by you having the courage to do that.

976

:

To unzip and to just

977

:

Rev: let it all hang out

permission to become more

978

:

Mac: of themselves.

979

:

Right.

980

:

Oh, you know, well, I think we're

speaking here to something we've

981

:

started a theme that we started in

the very beginning of the podcast.

982

:

And we're, you know, we don't have that

many episodes there, but it's really,

983

:

a lot of it is about, you're not alone.

984

:

You're not some of these thoughts

that you might have, or these

985

:

attitudes or these experiences.

986

:

You know, you're not going through life

all by yourself and we want to offer

987

:

whatever encouragement we can and support.

988

:

And just maybe it's just a been

there, done that too, gang.

989

:

Okay.

990

:

And just give you the sense

of comfort knowing that you're

991

:

Rev: not, thank God you're the

first one who had the guts to just

992

:

put it out there on the table.

993

:

Yeah, I can relate.

994

:

Mac: All right.

995

:

Unzip, just unzip.

996

:

Yeah.

997

:

Rev: Find

998

:

Stu: your people, find your tribe.

999

:

You know, when we talk about our tribe.

:

00:37:26,075 --> 00:37:26,275

Yeah.

:

00:37:26,305 --> 00:37:26,435

Oh,

:

00:37:26,435 --> 00:37:27,175

Mac: we got, here we go.

:

00:37:27,195 --> 00:37:28,365

Let's just do this last one.

:

00:37:28,365 --> 00:37:29,864

We have that.

:

00:37:29,865 --> 00:37:30,415

Let's try that one.

:

00:37:30,455 --> 00:37:30,735

Go ahead.

:

00:37:30,745 --> 00:37:30,965

Rev.

:

00:37:30,995 --> 00:37:32,055

What is, what do we got here?

:

00:37:32,405 --> 00:37:32,915

I got to put my

:

00:37:32,915 --> 00:37:33,485

Rev: glasses on.

:

00:37:33,865 --> 00:37:37,115

Your vibe will attract your tribe.

:

00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:39,094

Stu: Oh, I love that.

:

00:37:39,645 --> 00:37:39,965

Yeah.

:

00:37:40,165 --> 00:37:40,825

Yeah.

:

00:37:40,885 --> 00:37:43,845

Mostly because it rhymes,

but it's also cool phrase.

:

00:37:46,045 --> 00:37:49,135

Mac: So, so, so what do you, I

think the first thing that comes

:

00:37:49,135 --> 00:37:52,065

to me in this is what is your vibe?

:

00:37:53,355 --> 00:37:53,525

Right.

:

00:37:53,575 --> 00:37:54,415

What is.

:

00:37:54,745 --> 00:37:58,535

The vibe that you put out, you

know, uh, I remember here in Atlanta

:

00:37:58,535 --> 00:38:00,815

years and years and years ago, and

we've, we've, we've talked about

:

00:38:00,815 --> 00:38:02,015

this many times over the years.

:

00:38:02,015 --> 00:38:06,705

There's a big mega church here in Atlanta

and the guy that, that, that started

:

00:38:06,705 --> 00:38:08,115

it and that he's very well known here.

:

00:38:08,125 --> 00:38:09,085

His name's Andy Stanley.

:

00:38:09,605 --> 00:38:13,065

You know, years ago he was in

front of some middle schoolers.

:

00:38:13,065 --> 00:38:15,745

I think it was, um, or

young people anyway.

:

00:38:15,745 --> 00:38:15,985

Right.

:

00:38:16,565 --> 00:38:18,575

And this was what he posed to them.

:

00:38:18,575 --> 00:38:26,575

He said, Are you the kind of person

that you're looking for is looking for?

:

00:38:26,965 --> 00:38:28,005

Stu: Ha ha.

:

00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:28,515

I love that.

:

00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:34,090

Mac: Because that's all about your

vibe, you know, if, if, if you want

:

00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:41,830

to attract a certain person or a

certain, you know, scenario or whatever

:

00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:44,540

it might be, do you even realize?

:

00:38:44,875 --> 00:38:49,355

How important the vibe that you're

putting out is in that equation.

:

00:38:49,765 --> 00:38:50,235

That's back

:

00:38:50,235 --> 00:38:51,555

Rev: to the first meme we did.

:

00:38:51,665 --> 00:38:53,945

You're the cause of your reality.

:

00:38:53,955 --> 00:38:55,725

You are the cause of your experience.

:

00:38:55,725 --> 00:38:57,875

So I always like to say

angry people are going

:

00:38:57,875 --> 00:38:59,295

Mac: to attract angry people.

:

00:38:59,675 --> 00:39:03,115

Rev: Happy, joyous people looking

for something positive are going to

:

00:39:03,115 --> 00:39:05,535

attract those same kinds of people.

:

00:39:05,575 --> 00:39:05,905

Right.

:

00:39:06,235 --> 00:39:07,195

Well, so that's their

:

00:39:07,195 --> 00:39:07,655

Stu: tribe.

:

00:39:07,855 --> 00:39:08,035

Yep.

:

00:39:08,065 --> 00:39:09,955

I mean, and if they're okay with that.

:

00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:11,070

They're okay with that.

:

00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:15,530

But what I always looked for was

this, there's been people I've

:

00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:20,470

met in my life that I didn't know

yet, but I met them or I saw them.

:

00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:22,980

And, and I would say to myself,

I don't know what it is, but

:

00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:24,430

I gotta be around that person.

:

00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,009

And I always aspire to try to.

:

00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:28,880

Be that person for others.

:

00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,240

Like, I don't know what it is.

:

00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,540

I don't know you yet.

:

00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:33,740

I don't even know your name,

but there's something about

:

00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:34,980

you that it's the vibe, right?

:

00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:36,040

It's like, I just gotta be

:

00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:36,610

Rev: around that.

:

00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:38,140

Back to the movie guy.

:

00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:40,390

It's the Harry Met Sally and

sitting at the table saying,

:

00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,380

I want what she's having.

:

00:39:45,035 --> 00:39:45,885

Mac: Absolutely.

:

00:39:47,105 --> 00:39:47,285

That's funny.

:

00:39:47,285 --> 00:39:48,454

Man,

:

00:39:48,455 --> 00:39:48,965

Rev: I like

:

00:39:48,965 --> 00:39:49,655

Mac: what I see.

:

00:39:49,655 --> 00:39:51,585

I want more of that than I like.

:

00:39:51,585 --> 00:39:52,474

Exactly.

:

00:39:52,475 --> 00:39:53,416

Oh, for sure.

:

00:39:53,416 --> 00:39:54,067

For sure.

:

00:39:54,067 --> 00:39:54,393

Yeah.

:

00:39:54,393 --> 00:39:57,625

So, um, you know, this, this

is the law of attraction.

:

00:39:57,625 --> 00:40:02,305

This is, there's all kinds of different

ways you can talk about this meme.

:

00:40:02,305 --> 00:40:03,464

Let me,

:

00:40:03,545 --> 00:40:07,825

Stu: let me bring it to, let me bring it

to, uh, like real life scenarios, right?

:

00:40:07,825 --> 00:40:11,325

You might be somebody who is in, is

looking for a relationship, right?

:

00:40:11,655 --> 00:40:15,235

And you might be somebody that

said, Man, I always, I always pick

:

00:40:15,255 --> 00:40:18,355

the wrong guy or girl or whomever.

:

00:40:18,535 --> 00:40:18,865

Right?

:

00:40:19,175 --> 00:40:20,515

Why, why is that?

:

00:40:21,385 --> 00:40:26,145

Maybe, maybe that's, I mean, you're

the one that's the consistent you

:

00:40:26,145 --> 00:40:28,035

know, entity in that relationship.

:

00:40:28,065 --> 00:40:28,235

Right?

:

00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:29,395

You're always the one there.

:

00:40:29,795 --> 00:40:34,975

So, maybe your vibe has to Change, if

you want something different, right?

:

00:40:34,975 --> 00:40:36,265

Rev: Be the kind of person you want to

:

00:40:36,265 --> 00:40:36,875

Mac: attract.

:

00:40:36,875 --> 00:40:37,165

Right.

:

00:40:37,205 --> 00:40:38,145

What was that you said?

:

00:40:39,205 --> 00:40:39,635

Yeah.

:

00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:40,605

Say that again.

:

00:40:40,945 --> 00:40:46,915

You know, are you the kind of person, the

person you're looking for, is looking for?

:

00:40:46,955 --> 00:40:47,315

Right.

:

00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:47,975

Rev: There you go.

:

00:40:48,965 --> 00:40:52,255

Groucho Marx once said, I wouldn't

belong to any club that would have me.

:

00:40:53,575 --> 00:40:56,495

You know, the reality is, yeah,

you've got to be that vibration.

:

00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:58,895

You got to be that,

that, that energy field.

:

00:40:58,935 --> 00:41:00,715

That's going to bring the person you want.

:

00:41:00,715 --> 00:41:01,855

If you want kindness, be

:

00:41:01,855 --> 00:41:02,445

Mac: kinder.

:

00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,160

Right.

:

00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:04,980

Well, and we can even, yes.

:

00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:10,460

And we can even take this beyond tribe

to just life in general, just like

:

00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:15,240

Rev said, you know, you want goodness,

you want love, you want, you know,

:

00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,190

comfort, you want, you know, joy.

:

00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:22,340

Um, you know, all of that gets, you

know, affected by your particular vibe.

:

00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:25,130

You know, are you embracing,

are you speaking it?

:

00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,740

Are you intending for it?

:

00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,730

Have you set yourself up?

:

00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,350

To be able to attract it.

:

00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,670

So, um, so are

:

00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:34,740

Rev: you saying that the three of

us, we were relative strangers 10

:

00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:38,340

years ago, we've attracted each other

or like mind, like consciousness,

:

00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:39,740

like heart, like intention.

:

00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:40,110

Yes.

:

00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:42,700

Mac: And I'm sure you

guys have got, yeah, so

:

00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920

Rev: I'm here, you're responsible

for me being here at this table.

:

00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,290

Thanks for the invitation.

:

00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:47,870

I appreciate it.

:

00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:50,530

Mac: Well, yeah, it was the right thing.

:

00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:51,810

The universe, man.

:

00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:52,480

It was right.

:

00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:55,270

Rev: You know, I want to

get your mom on the podcast.

:

00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,060

Oh my gosh.

:

00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:58,290

Stu: That would have

been an awesome thing.

:

00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:58,780

Yeah.

:

00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,070

Yeah.

:

00:41:59,070 --> 00:41:59,560

Anymore.

:

00:41:59,600 --> 00:41:59,900

Yeah.

:

00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:01,960

That would have been an awesome thing.

:

00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:03,680

Mac: So, uh, I love this.

:

00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:04,610

This is a great one.

:

00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:05,200

Yeah.

:

00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:06,890

So, so fun today gang.

:

00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,220

Um, and you know, we've

got a bunch of them.

:

00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:09,910

Stu: Oh my gosh.

:

00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:11,180

We had so many out there.

:

00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:11,420

I mean,

:

00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:14,770

Mac: yeah, we, we, you know, we

put them out on a regular basis.

:

00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:15,800

So, so listen,

:

00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,810

Stu: check it out, Mack and Rev.

:

00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:17,300

So.

:

00:42:17,685 --> 00:42:21,405

I'm sure there's people out there

that are thinking of their own memes.

:

00:42:21,415 --> 00:42:21,955

Send them to us.

:

00:42:22,205 --> 00:42:22,825

We want to hear

:

00:42:22,825 --> 00:42:23,195

Rev: them.

:

00:42:23,195 --> 00:42:23,565

We'll

:

00:42:23,565 --> 00:42:26,355

Stu: put them together in a

really cool, Max is great at

:

00:42:26,355 --> 00:42:27,665

this, in a really cool format.

:

00:42:28,065 --> 00:42:29,055

We'll post them out there.

:

00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:29,760

Sure.

:

00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:30,670

Undergoing rogue.

:

00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,870

You know, we'll give you credit for it.

:

00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,710

Right.

:

00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:34,190

Absolutely.

:

00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:34,800

Great.

:

00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,030

Yeah.

:

00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:38,790

Send them, send them to us through social

media, Facebook, Instagram, wherever.

:

00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:39,090

Yeah.

:

00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:39,500

Comment.

:

00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,400

Our, our, uh, our website.

:

00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:41,760

Yeah.

:

00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,330

Comment on our

:

00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:42,880

Rev: website.

:

00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,520

Yeah.

:

00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880

Can you give me permission to use

them in a sermon just in case?

:

00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:46,060

Of course.

:

00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,145

I might want to be those

good ones I know out there.

:

00:42:48,145 --> 00:42:48,410

We hope you

:

00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:48,740

Mac: do.

:

00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:49,080

Yeah.

:

00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:49,530

Yeah.

:

00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:51,750

We can take our, we can

take our logo off of there.

:

00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:52,900

You can use them if you want.

:

00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:53,600

No problem.

:

00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,060

Okay.

:

00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:58,030

So, you know, with that, uh,

we appreciate you listening.

:

00:42:58,415 --> 00:42:58,925

Yeah, we just

:

00:42:58,925 --> 00:43:01,475

Rev: want to thank you all for

joining us and being part of this

:

00:43:01,475 --> 00:43:04,915

Rogue Nation and letting us just go

outside the box, go to the inside

:

00:43:04,935 --> 00:43:07,185

edge, and just try some new ideas on.

:

00:43:07,545 --> 00:43:12,255

We welcome you to unzip as we unzip and

let it all hang out and know that together

:

00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:15,695

we're going to make this world a more

wonderful, beautiful place just because

:

00:43:15,695 --> 00:43:17,325

we're willing to be fully authentic.

:

00:43:17,645 --> 00:43:18,515

Thank you so much.

:

00:43:18,515 --> 00:43:20,395

I hope you'll, uh, you'll go to the cafe.

:

00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:21,640

and spend some time there.

:

00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,320

I hope you will keep listening

in and go tell a hundred thousand

:

00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,940

people about what's going on in

:

00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,820

Mac: the rogue nation.

:

00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:27,390

That's right.

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And so on and so on.

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And thanks a bunch gang.

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All right, guys enjoyed it tonight.

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It's always good.

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Thank you much.

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All right.

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Take care.

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