Jack Osbourne and Katrina Weidman return on Friday The 13th to TRVL with the second season of Portals To Hell. Jack, of course, is the son of the rock ‘n’ roll Prince of Darkness, Ozzy Osbourne, and he grew up in the world of reality television as a star of the megapopular The Osbournes. He’s fully embraced his father’s legacy by not only producing paranormal reality TV but by becoming a ghost hunter himself! Katrina Weidman of course, rose to television fame through Paranormal State (which also featured previous guest Chip Coffey ) and three seasons of Paranormal Lockdown with Ghost Adventures ‘ Nick Groff.

We talked with Jack and Katrina about the upcoming episodes of the show and what they’ve learned about the supernatural and themselves through two seasons of investigating the paranormal together.

Then Wendy and I talk about the legends of the portals to Hell throughout history as well as one of the most famous ones, in Stull, Kansas. We visited there last year and here’s my Facebook live video:

Wendy and Scott from WhatsYourGhostStory.com visited Stull in 2017 and while they didn’t find a portal to Hell, they certainly found some weird burnt dirt by the ruins of the old chapel on the cemetery grounds.

The charred earth that Wendy was talking about in the episode

Jack Osbourne and Katrina Weidman of Portals To Hell

So, in addition to interviewing Jack Osbourne and Katrina Weidman, we also talk about:

• The “Gates of Hell” legends in Pennsylvania and Illinois
• My very own “Gates of Hell” legend from Mukwonago, Wisconsin and the weird remains I found there
• The various portals to the Underworld in Ancient Greece
• What exactly is Charon’s Obol?
• Why did people put pennies on the eyes of the deceased until the early Twentieth Century?
• The truth about the Siberian “Borehole To Hell”

Now, Jack and Katrina purposefully going to places with a “dark energy” made me think about Nietzsche’s infamous passage from 

Beyond Good and Evil :

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.

Friedrich W. Nietzsche

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers who have

their own weakness for the weird, Mike and Wendy

from the band Sunspot. Episode 287,

Portals to Hell. Hunting Ghosts

with Jack Osborne and Katrina Weidman.

Coming back to the Travel Channel this Friday, premiering at 8 central,

will be the 2nd season of Portals to Hell, which

is a that's a pretty metal name for a ghost hunting show. Yeah. And coming

out on Friday 13th Right. Couldn't be a better date for it.

Right? I don't think so. And the thing is you better have a pretty metal

name if you have the son of Ozzy Osbourne being the

star of the show. You know, and if Ozzy is the prince of darkness,

I'm not quite sure what to call Jack Osbourne. Like, is he

the, you know, the prince of darkness? What is the grandson of

darkness called? Well, I don't know. That's a

that's a very good question. If anyone knows, please tell us what we call

little Jackie Devilman. I just when you're the grandson, you know. I just

I'm not I guess I guess little Nikki was the character in the movie or

whatever. Well, you could have asked him, Mike. I That could have been one of

the That could have been one of the questions. The questions. I I didn't wanna

waste a few minutes we had to talk in a joke. Okay. That's

fair. Right. So, but the thing is Wendy

have a conversation with Jack Osborne

and Katrina Weidman, and portals to hell is coming

back Friday 13th, and we spoke to them for a few

minutes about some of their favorite cases and things like that. So let's

cut to the conversation with Jack and Katrina.

Katrina, the first time we talked to you was actually at

the Milwaukee Paranormal Conference in 2016

when you were on a panel talking about the

3rd season of paranormal lockdown in the UK.

So what's the biggest difference between ghost hunting

with Mike a ghost hunting professional like Nick Groff or

a reality TV guy like Jack Osborne? Well, you know, I

think I I've worked with a lot of different investigators over the

15 years I've been doing this professionally, and I think,

you know, everybody you work with is gonna be different. Right? And

everyone has their own belief system that comes into play. Everyone has their own

methods of doing things. Everybody has their own interview styles. So I think

just naturally, you know, it's you're gonna have

differences when you start working with someone new. And I don't necessarily know that

it's fair to compare Nick and Jack because they're such different people

just in general, where they each absolutely have their own

flavors of how they conduct themselves on an investigation. I think Jack

and I, where Jack and I really align though

is we're both I I would kinda label us open minded skeptics.

So although we believe that things happen, we're not,

as Jack likes to say, we're not the Kool Aid drinkers. You know,

everything we're ever told is exactly how it happened and what

happened. So I think, you know, we really

have a strong connection that way as far

as how we investigate together. Do you find that, you

know, when you are going to different sites or working together or, you know, getting

into the, the actual investigation part or even

just walking to the towns where the investigations are, is it different walking

with, like, a, you know, a reality TV star versus a paranormal

reality TV star? Just Mike the people recognize him?

Yeah. But, you know, it's pretty it's pretty chill at all.

Yeah. I mean, he's and he's also I don't know. I think

people have a view of, certain celebrities as far

as, you know, their status and as far as, like,

maybe how they take recognition. And Zach is

really just down to earth boy next

door. So I think he he kind of flies under

the radar a lot for people. And when he is recognized, you

know, people are very very courteous to him, and in exchange, he's he's very

very humble to everybody that we meet in these towns. So, I

haven't found that to be an issue at all. Well, that that was just that

looked me in the eye. I mean,

I mean, that's what I just I mean, because it it it does seem like

it's always interesting when people from, like, different worlds collide,

and and that's kinda, you know, I think what makes Portals to Hell exciting and

different because it is that different perspective. And, you know, Jack,

I you know, so I grew up in the eighties during the satanic panic,

and, you know, your your father was public enemy number 1,

on on, you know, on that. Yep. But even as a kid, I always felt

you know, you'd watch the videos and stuff, and you're like, well, this is play

acting. This is I mean, mister Crowley is a song. It's

not you know, he's not engaging in some ritual at home.

But now, I mean, you guys are investigating the paranormal.

So when you're you're growing up around all of those kind of, you know, the

play acting and the fun and the symbolism and the drama and the

music, but what moment did you think that the supernatural

might have something to it versus something that your dad just does

for marketing? You know, it was kind of one of those things where

I I'd always had an interest in

anything fringe. You know? I was the kid that was obsessed with reading

about UFOs and ghosts, and

I watched are you afraid of a dog every weekend. It was

Mike, you know, I loved this world because it was kind

of adjacent to the world that I was kind of growing up in to a

degree, to your point. You know? It was the

the, I guess,

the mysticism of it was in my house, but it wasn't

Mike it wasn't real. I was, hey. This could be fun if you have fun

with it. And I just had

experiences as a kid, and I was a you know, going back to your first

question, you know, I think one of the reasons why we're a bit different

as a show is because I represent

the enthusiast at home that doesn't get to go and do

this. I was the guy, you know, I work in TV. I've done a dozen

other TV shows. But my hobby has always been

paranormal, you know, ghost hunting stuff. So

it it's kind of a good balance. And

for me, this was a, you know, my second ghost hunting

show and Carmela because it's I enjoy doing it, and it's

not something that is, you

know, there is a serious component to it, but it's so explorative.

You know, we don't really know what we are a 100% looking for.

We have kind of theories and, you know,

evidence to kind of back up some theories. But at the end of

the day, we, you know, we're just kind of

flying blind here and trying to con you know, conduct experiments

and gather, you know, results. Well and and so

we like like those results. I mean, the, the TV show has a

suggestive title. Right? Portals to Hell. You know,

but did you ever you know, when you were guys were going into,

an investigation, is there a place that you thought was gonna be totally

evil, but it ended up being harmless? Like, you walk in and you're

like, okay. Like, it it seemed like a really imposing kind of place,

but then all the activity ended up being super nice

or fun? Yeah. Jack, do you wanna take

that one? Yeah. I kinda think that,

man, I'm trying to think what was the kind of more mellower place.

You know, I It was Mike a a portal to purgatory instead of a portal

to hell. A portal to purgatory. Just

a bunch of bored ghosts going, man, what are we doing?

It's I kinda thought, you know, we the

first episode we're doing, we, you know, we go to this place called Old

Paulding Jail, and it's this jail that was built in

1800. And I was expecting it to

be incredibly terrifying. Now there is a

huge twist in this in this, investigation, and

we uncover some stuff which we never encountered before.

But by and large, like, that thing did happen without

a doubt, and it was, a very but I was kinda it was

our first episode back, so I was like, alright. This is gonna be gnarly. We're

gonna hit the ground running. We're in tune with each other. Like, we know how

to investigate. And it was I don't wanna say it was mellow,

but it certainly wasn't a portal to a spiritual hell.

The prison itself was the jail was a certain

you know, an actual real portal to health for some people because it's

stuck there. But it, it

it it wasn't as terrifying when it comes

to the ghost stuff. I think when it comes down to

knowing what occurred or at least having a theory of what occurred when it

was operating and people were alive and enduring

it was, was definitely crappy. And that's

that's most of the cases of the old jails and prisons you go to.

Sure. They seem more, you know, terrifying, maybe than they end, you know, end up

being. It's like when people talk about sanitariums the whole time, they just think of

this, like, horrible place where just lobotomies were performed, but a lot of

people were, you know, taken care of and wonderfully and it

wasn't all lobotomies. Sure. Although there were some where I was. Well, of

course. Right. Right. I I wasn't saying it was all sweetness and light. There was

obviously, some some head drilling going on there. But,

now you guys, you know, purposely go into places that have negative activity.

And are you ever worried about attachments?

Are you ever worried something's gonna follow you home? Or,

conversely, has anything followed you home that you're Mike, oh, great. Break out

the sage. So I have had that happen in

the past, very early on when I was doing this, and

the best advice I ever got was just to ignore it, and I did.

And within a couple of months, the activity stopped. But I

think the scary part about it is, you know, Jack

and I always say this that what I mean, to jump off of what

Jack just said too, it was, you know, we don't really know what this stuff

is. So everything we talk about, it's through that what

if this stuff is real kind of lens. Right? But it's all speculation.

And that speculation does come from Mike and his count, it comes from spiritual text,

it comes Mike, cultural

legends, but we always have to keep in mind

that that might not be accurate. Right? At the same time, we

have to keep in mind what if it is accurate. What if there's

some truth to how these things work and why they work the way they

work? And if that's true, then there's certainly a lot of

different spiritualities and cultures that claim that that stuff

can stick with you your whole life if you're not careful.

So taking that into account, that becomes a very scary thing.

I've certainly seen other investigators who believe

that they have had lifelong attachments. I've met many

witnesses who believe they've had lifelong attachments. I've worked with

people that, you know, their psychologist, is Mike,

I I can diagnose some real world issues going on here, but it

doesn't account for everything. So, you know, that's

always kind of in your back in the back of the head of, well, what

if? What if we're working with things that we can never really

get rid of? But there hasn't been too much, you know, you you know, we're

not on the phone today, like, oh, god. That you know, the shadow's behind my

neck again. Not today. Okay. Good.

Good. You know, one thing I've heard that people I admittedly, like

Please continue. I'm sorry. I was just gonna jump jump in and say, like, I

I've had weird experiences in my house

this year, And my house is brand new. It was built in, like,

2014. And, like, I've had stuff

Mike my kids are seeing things. My girlfriend's seeing

things.

I've this is a new one. Katrina doesn't even know this, but, objects

my girlfriend saw, objects that flying across my

kitchen the other day. Oh. So I, you know,

is it I don't I just yeah. Apparently, 2

pins in our in the cork board in the kitchen went whizzing

across the kitchen, like, a week ago. I flew, like,

4 feet off the wall, like, with, like, 4.

And so I don't know. Is it an attachment

or is something, you know, is leaning into

this activity, this investigative kind of

realm? Is it putting, like, you know, raising a flag above our

heads and, you know, whatever's out there is Mike, hey. These people are looking for

us. Let's, let's let them know we're here. I I don't know.

So as you're trying to dig up evidence and everything,

you know, sometimes you can get lost in all of the gear,

the tech, the, you know, the meters and

the cameras and the full range cameras and thermal, everything.

But you know, what do you think is the, the coolest investigation

technique or piece of tech that you tried that you were really excited about that

ended up getting zero results? Is there, you know, is there a camera you're Mike,

oh my god, we spent $10,000 on this camera, and Jack is a producer, you're

probably, like, looking at the budget like, okay, we spent a ton of money on

his camera. I better see the ghost in my face. Is there anything that

you were super excited about that you're Mike, oh, god. It didn't turn out? I

mean, for me, you know, I think Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Tech tech

for me is always such hit or miss because,

I mean, again, we none of this is proven, so we can't say

for sure this is what these things are made of. So we don't have the

answers to be able to build the tech to detect them and to capture

them and to, you know, see them. So a lot of

the tech is just based off of eyewitness accounts when people have experiences

what they describe happening to them. And that doesn't always pay

off. And, you know, it can be really, really frustrating,

but I think that's just kinda par for the course in working in the

field. We don't have all the concrete answers, so it's always gonna be a trial

and error basis. And conversely, is there any, like, technique

or investigation method that you used that

either was you thought was silly or you're Mike, okay, let's just do

this as a completest or whatever, let's just try this, but

then it shocked you with the evidence you ended up getting or the results

you ended up getting when you just kinda half assed it or something like

that. Jack, do you wanna take that

one? Sure. Yeah. I mean, we've had a lot of times,

we get results when we're not even expecting to get results.

You know, we'll just be kinda chatting, screwing around, whatever. And all of a

sudden, you'd be like, oh, wait. What is that? Like, you know, one of

the really, one of the scariest things that happened to

us, we were thinking, oh, nothing really going on, and we

kinda just let our guard down. And we were walking upstairs in this

house, which, you know, aptly named is called a hell house. And

we had the loudest bang. I mean, it sounded like someone took

a like, a baseball bat and smacked it against the drywall.

And I I jumped out of my Mike. And it's just it's

it's often when you kinda let your dog down. Stuff happens. And

I don't know what that's about. I don't know why that happens, but, you

know, maybe it's that classic case of, you know, it's just

sometimes you find things when you're not really looking. And last question for you

guys. As far as, you know, since you guys started doing portals to hell,

has there anything you discovered or in your investigations

that made you question an element of your reality,

that maybe you didn't before? Like, okay, ghosts are believable, but no

way do I believe in fairies. And then all of a sudden you see something

Mike, okay, maybe that was a forest elemental or

whatever. And I couldn't believe it before, but now I saw something.

So is there anything that maybe that you've encountered that

Wendy, against, even if you were open minded to

paranormal, but might have gone against something that you believed in the past?

For for Mike, where I'm at right now with it, I I don't necessarily

close any doors on that stuff, you know, because I've been

surprised too many times in the past. So I don't

I don't know if that much would shock me at this point anymore. You know?

Right. So a leprechaun jumps out at you at Saint Patrick's Day, you're down.

Yes. Pretty much. Alright. Yeah. I

mean, I I, you know, I'm I'm open to things. I'm

a bit of a, I'm a bit of a Bigfoot naysayer,

but, you know, I, I'm I'm open to it.

And I'm sure a lot of people would be, well, Bigfoot's real. I you know,

I've had, you know, my my ex wife's uncle swore

put his hand on the bible, and he's like, I saw Bigfoot.

I don't know. Like, I but it just it seems really that that

one's a tough one for me to wrap my head around. Alright. Well I hope

you see Bigfoot in Portals to Hell 3. I hope so too.

So anyway, I'll let you guys go. We're past time, but I wanted to thank

you very much for your time today, and good luck with the new season,

and thanks a lot. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Now on the TV show, I mean, they just go to, like, haunted places

that maybe have dark energy or or sinister haunted stories.

Or a doorway to, you know, Hadestown. Right. The thing

is there are actual places in the world that

people said were gateways to hell or, you know,

which I think is weird. Like a physical entrance. Like a physical

entrance. Like you could go in there. What's the secret knock for that one?

I was gonna say thank you. Like, you have to knock 666 times and then

the devil shows up finally. Well, but if you take a place

like Stull, Kansas Oh,

definitely. Right. That people said first of all, we've

been to Stull, Kansas. Right? So we've gone to the cemetery where

people said, was one of the

gateways to hell. Yeah. And the urban

legend, was actually started in the

19 seventies. And, in the university daily

Kansan, which is their student newspaper, they claimed that the devil

appeared and stole twice a year, once on Halloween and once on

the spring equinox, and that the

cemetery was the location of 1 of the 7 gates to hell,

and the church ruin that's in the cemetery, now it really is a

ruin. Yeah. We saw it. Mhmm. There's like nothing left

of the church there, that the church is possessed by

the devil. And you know that if you stand around

it and Mike do some kind of devilish

stuff, Satan will show up. That when the pope was flying

to Colorado in the 19 nineties, he had to redirect the

flight path of the plane so that he wouldn't go over the

unholy ground of Stull Cemetery in Kansas.

So I mean this is really popularized on the

TV show Supernatural, where in, you

know, in Supernatural, Sam and Dean Winchester are actually from

Lawrence, Kansas. That's where their characters are from.

And so because Lawrence was close to

Stull and the supernatural creator, Eric Kripke, he

knew about that urban legend. Ah, yes. Of the

Stull Cemetery being a gateway to hell. He made them from Lawrence,

Kansas. And they even have a, a

confrontation between, like, the archangel Michael and

Lucifer in the season 5 finale. So they

don't actually shoot in the cemetery or whatever, but like they

use Stull Kansas and the urban legend surrounding the cemetery is

a gateway to hell, you know, in the TV

show. And what's funny though too is that not only

did Supernatural use that urban legend, but also

the band Urge Overkill did too. Oh, yeah.

So their 1992 Mike EP, which they don't really have

EP, an EP back in the day they called extended play was

you play a vinyl record and had room for like 5 or 6 songs

versus just 1 or 2 songs like a single would, you know,

with just 2 sides and an LP, long play, who has the room

for you know 15 songs, 16 songs. So they released an

EP in 1992 called Stull

and they go out to the Stull Cemetery and take a picture of 1 of

the tombs there, You know, take a picture, and that's the album

cover. So famously, I mean, that

EP is what contained their cover of Girl, You'll Be

a Woman Soon. Mhmm. Huge. Which became huge

because, it was used in Pulp Fiction. Right. And then

and it was included on the soundtrack of Pulp Fiction.

And so interestingly enough, that song becomes huge

in Urge Overkill. You know, they were already a fairly popular Chicago

band, and then they go national by having their song in, like, the biggest movie

of 1994. And it's just funny because, like,

they were playing on the whole devil worship aspect of rock and roll,

and they have a song, Stull part 1, that's on the

EP. And when they were talking about the song,

like one of the guys from Urge Overkill, Eddie Roeser, he's

like it's a really frightening cemetery man. Supposedly, it's some kind of

cult location for Satanists. And the song is about a

trip to the cemetery, three references to the number 6

in a song, and then a little bit of Charles Manson reference to make it

even more. Well and and, Mike, having gone there, did you

get a feel of evil from the place? I got a feel of

boredom from the place too. Oh. It did like,

still still felt pretty dull. Well, it's such a small town. It's a

real, you know, rural area and it's a tiny little cemetery.

And, actually, I I thought it was a beautiful place. It seemed like a really

peaceful, you know, final resting place for those that are buried

there. Didn't feel evil to me really, except that

I did experience one of the times, because I've been there twice now Okay.

That the first time I was there with Scott, we,

did notice that there was some, like, charred ground that was kind of,

like, smoldering. Okay. So maybe that feeds into

the the rumors. The Maybe I mean, maybe the devil showed up, and his

footprints were still burning holes on the ground. Yeah. I don't know. But I know

I remember reading on, planet weird that when they were there, there

was smoldering all around. So I don't know if that's some kind of

phenomenon for that area or what, but it was just weird. Was it

still hot? Was it was it hot ground? Yeah. Okay.

But the other thing I I wanted to bring up about this, and I think

we've talked about this in other episodes, but it's worth bringing up. The fact

that that legend that you were talking about that was started, you know, at

the university Mhmm. It was propagated

because, you know, there was the the the legend that if you went at a

certain time, I think it was on Halloween or something like that. If you were

there at midnight, you know, the devil would come out or whatever. And

so young people were gathering, like, in mass quantities

to see this come true. And it was, becoming

a problem. And so they one of the local news

stations sent someone out there to be there at the moment

to, like, show everybody, look, this is not something we need to be gathering

for every year. It's not it's just Right. It's just an urban legend, you know,

whatever. And they were gonna be there with the camera and stuff, and then they

right before the clock hit midnight or whatever, the police came in

and made everybody leave. So they didn't get to prove that it was it

was false. So that's just, you know, further propagating the the

legend. So the the police stopped it. Well, it's just the police are hiding

it. Right. Well, I don't know. But, you know, whatever whatever they didn't want it

to be on TV, I don't know. But, it seems like that would have been

the perfect opportunity to sort of, like, smack down the rumor.

Right. Well, you know, what I think is interesting about Stahl here, is that you

were talking about smoldering ground. Yeah. And then

the urban legend around this, Oliver

Bonnemaier who was a kid

buried in the, the Stull Kansas

Cemetery and that you know, it's hard to say

because it looks this might be an urban legend more than any kind of,

like I'm looking for a newspaper report on this kid. Mhmm. But

you have in Douglas County, Kansas, Oliver Baumier

dies in the early part of Wendy century while his father's burning his

field. So, a lot of

times, a farmer will burn a field to help the plant, you know, to

remove plants that are already growing, to help plants that are

about to come up. They're called prescribed burns. Right. It's supposed to

improve the health of the field. It's done a lot in the

Midwest in, you know, places like Missouri and

Kansas. And so, the farmer was burning the

field and his son wanders into it and then

burns to death. Ah, sad. So that the

rumor, you know, the ghost story there is that if you step on,

Oliver's tombstone, you get shot to hell. Like, he'll come

out and grab you and drag your body to hell.

And you know, so that kind of thing contributes to that, but it was interesting

that you just talked about that kind of smoldering because,

if a nearby farm is burning their field. Right. Yeah.

Well, also, I mean, if there's a doorway that leads to the

hottest place in the universe. Right. Absolutely. The

door opens. But, you know,

that's one thing that can just make the whole thing a little bit more scary,

and that can add credence to it. Because if you walk by and you, like,

have smoldering dirt, you're like, what happened here? Even though it might

just be a farmer burning the field, you know, which

is a extremely normal thing for the Midwest, what it does is

kinda it it makes it a little scary if Yeah. Oh, it's all real.

And and by the way, I do have to correct myself. It was

not still smoking. That was a fabricated memory.

I was just looking at because Scott blogged this on what's your ghost story dot

com. And, he's got photos of it. If you wanna see, we can link it

in the show notes. But it's just a very black smoldered

area of the ground that looked like it had recently burned. So

I see. Okay. Perhaps there was a controlled burner. I don't know. It didn't

it's weird. The picture is weird. It's I've seen the prescribed burns where

it's just scorched earth, you know, like a solid field of scorched earth. And

what we saw was, like, lines in the ground, basically.

So, like, just not like a blanket area. But anyway Alright

then. Well, don't go to Stahl if you expect to see the

devil. But do go, if you're, like, if you're on some

kind of supernatural, you know, because you're a big fan of the show.

There's nothing wrong with going there and snapping a few pictures. But if you go

there at midnight on Halloween, the police are gonna arrest you. And there is still

the foundation of the little church where supposedly the there's the

stairway that goes down to the portal to hell

exists. So No. And, well, we we did a live video from there, a

couple years ago too. So we'll link that in the show notes so you guys

can see our own trip to a portal to hell, that turned out not to

be so hot.

But, you know, that's not the only place that people call the gates of hell.

Okay. Cool. It seems like that's a pretty popular, at

least American urban legend Mhmm. Is this idea of of

the gates of hell. Where I grew up near

McQuanago, Wisconsin, we had a

abandoned farmhouse that was burnt

and you could see it from you could see it

from the highway, and it was behind some trees. It was pretty far in.

And now, I mean, it's it's all gone because they raised it, and

they put up a A parking lot? They put up, like,

right. Well, here's a parking lot for a, like, an urgent

care center. Pave the portal to hell and put up a parking lot.

So perhaps they could, I guess, drop people. Right? I

guess bad people, if they don't do well at the urgent care center, they just

drop them into the hole and be like, what the hell? But, you

know, Allison told me about it. My sister told me about it. She was 7

years older than me, and so when she was in high school, we'd be

driving into town, into Mukwonago for something, and then she'd be

like, check out that abandoned house over there. They call that the

gates of hell. And kids go there to play the Ouija board.

And she doesn't remember telling me this. Wow. But she tells me you know, she

told me that when I was a kid, and I'm like, alright. So I kept

on thinking when I'm in high school, I'm eventually gonna go there. That's hilarious.

And then we did. And? Had a pretty

had a pretty big group of people go to this place, quote

unquote, gates of hell, and it's I mean, it's a spooky

abandoned farmhouse. It's burnt. But some of the ceiling's still there. Some of the I

mean, some of the roof's still there, and a lot of it's been, like, punched

like, the wall's been punched through in places and everything. But we go there, set

up the Ouija board and everything. And I'm gonna do the Ouija board with this

with this other girl, and we got about 10 people there, about half guys, half

girls. And so go there, set up the Ouija

board. It's about 9 o'clock on a

Friday in October, so it's near Halloween. That's why we could

probably get so many girls to go. Otherwise See. But otherwise,

the girls Right. Why would you wanna go there? Things were different back in

nineties when you could be like, hey. You wanna go like, now, Mike, most people

I know, the girls I know, if I say, we can go to scary places,

I'm like, sure. Because they're into ghost hunting. But back then, they're like,

what? Oh, I guess it's by Halloween. That's fun. So we go out, put out

the Ouija board, and then as we're sitting over it, one of my other

friends walks over. He drops a bone

on the Ouija board. Oh, no. And he says, here, you

could use this as an antenna. And

Kinda kinda clever. Yes. I

go, where did you get that bone from?

And, like, you could see into the walls. So, like, Mike,

you know, the in between the walls was, like, hollowed out because people had punched

through and it burned through, and there were

dozens of animal bones inside the wall.

Wow. I never quite could figure that one out.

Like, why were those dozens of like like a cow femur. Yeah. You know,

like a huge bone. Like, some were huge and some but dozens of of

animal bones inside the walls of this certain place. And we never quite figured

out why. And, I don't think we got anything good off the Ouija board,

but we were pretty spooked out that somebody would place bones in the walls of

the place they called the Gates of Hell. Picture some weird, like,

hermit sitting in there, like, wandering around the property just

collecting all the bones and sticking them in the wall. It's it's strange.

Well, you know, I I really thought that it might just be farm

kids doing stupid things. Sure. I could I could see that.

Yeah. And, you know, that's how I felt about a lot of stuff at the

time until I kinda thought about when when they had those I always thought

that the satanic panic, it's all stupid, and it's all a joke. And I even

said you know, I said that to Jack in the interview that satanic panic I

thought was a joke even as a kid. Uh-huh. But when

like in The Beast of Bray Road in Seth Breedlove's movie,

and he talks to the animal control officer in the county that's

adjacent to where we grew up because I grew up right by The Beast of

Bray Road where the or Bray Road in that area, and they talked about

in the late 19 eighties finding, you know, finding

just a ditch full of animal bones that people had just gone through and killed

all these animals and put all the bones there, and he felt it was like

a ritual sacrifice until I mean certain things

kind of clicked, and I was like okay, maybe the gates of hell was a

place where people did these similar kind of sacrifices. Sure. And maybe it wasn't

just dumb farm kids screwing around. Oh gosh.

And I because I really did not think there was anything sinister about the place

at all. I thought the place was spooky and that that was the reason that

people did the Ouija board there, but I didn't get any kind of feeling of,

like, this place is evil. But now

going back to it, you're Mike, okay. People were performing animal

sacrifices in the late 19 eighties in southeastern Wisconsin. Here, we

stumbled on a place with dozens of animal bones Creepy.

Stuffed into the walls. Well and you weren't that far from Haunchyville too. Right?

No. We I mean, 15 minutes from Haunchyville. Oh, man. You know, you had, like,

basically a a paranormal wonderland down there between the gate to hell,

Haunchyville. You had all kinds of fun stuff to explore. Absolutely. The beast of

Bray Road, the gates of hell, Hell, Haunchyville, haunted Rainbow Springs Hotel,

where I stumbled upon an actual, somebody was actually

performing a ritual where they were sacrificing an animal. Oh my gosh. That was with

that was, like, a year after we went to the Gates. So, like, I guess

there was something going on in southeastern Wisconsin. Like, it I just thought

people had watched too many Ozzy Osbourne videos, and that's why they were doing

those things. I because I loved Ozzy Osbourne, and I just thought it was all

a pain. It was all a joke. So maybe people actually were

doing stuff. I'm not sure, but somebody for sure was stuffing bones

into the walls of a particular place. And that's what we called the

gates of hell. But we didn't actually think it was a gateway to hell, we

just thought it was a super spooky place to do Ouija. In other

places, like how people think of Stull, the urban

legend about Stull Cemetery being against the hell,

they also thought there were these portals.

And one of the urban legends and the places of that is in in York

County, Pennsylvania, and,

there's this whole, like, obstacle course there, in the woods near

an area called Hellum Township,

in Pennsylvania. And it says if you go through all these different places, including

a burnt down insane asylum, including Mike

different abandoned structures in this township, if you go through all

7 of them, eventually, you'll get to hell. Oh,

that's quite a journey. Yeah. And then they say,

like, the, only one gate is visible during the day,

but the other 6 are visible during the night. And of course, no

one has ever passed the 5th game. Of course.

And, you know, but little things like this you know, even in in the York

County, like their newspaper, the guy had to write about it. And he

had to be like, no. There was no insane asylum here that burnt down.

There was a doctor that did put up gates around his estate or

whatever so people wouldn't trespass, which isn't weird for any you know?

But he wasn't a mad doctor that experimented on people or

anything like that. So you I mean, there was even a movie

called Toad Road because

Toad Road, it was a nickname. Once you find Toad

Road, then you'll find the place where where you walk through those

gates. And so people would look for Toad Road, especially in the days before Google

Maps or whatever you try to find it, and they wouldn't be able to find

it because it didn't exist. So you have that

in Yorkshire, Pennsylvania, and then you get this other place

in Illinois. They're such unsuspecting places.

Right. You know? You'd think it would be Mike Salem or New

Orleans or, you know, places that are traditionally known for

paranormal stuff. Well, specifically about Salem is something I don't get why

now Salem is capitalizing on the whole witch thing. And people are like, man, Salem's

intense. I'm like, no. The whole point of the witch trials is that there Mike

weren't any they weren't real witches. Right. I know. It's horrible. And I were Mike,

yay. Yay. Witches. Right. It's

ridiculous. It's like they're just using it for marketing for getting people there. And, obviously,

now, obviously, in the time of the coronavirus, tourism is even more important, and I

get it. Well, I haven't have you been to Salem? No. Because I know

they have, like, a memorial for the people that were executed and stuff like that.

So hopefully, the history is emphasized and it's not just Mike, wee,

we're gonna fly around on brooms. Because I know that is a little symbol they

have and stuff for their, I don't know, street signs or whatever.

Right. And it but, I mean, they they it's the

one big historical thing that happened in Salem, Massachusetts. So, of course, they have to

lean into it. Yeah. But it's it's I mean, it's a weird thing because

people are like, oh, yeah. Salem has a weird energy because it's all those witches.

And I'm like, but there weren't any witches. That's the whole point. Right.

But the witch trials. I mean Right. The witch trials. And, of course, there's

energy and and Oh gosh. Sadness and great tragedy

happen. But, it wasn't Mike a center of witchcraft. It

wasn't it wasn't Hogwarts. It wasn't Hogwarts.

And that's people talk about Whitewater, Wisconsin the same

way. Whitewater, Wisconsin also, like, 25

minutes from the gates of hell or 20 minutes. Right. So I guess we did

have plenty of things going on there. Like, people talk about Whitewater,

Wisconsin. They say that that the streets were originally designed

in the shape of a pentagram to make it even more evil. Love it. And

they talk about Whitewater as its American Second Salem. That's

amazing. And, Mike that's another thing my sister told me.

And I was Mike, what? Even when I was, like, 10 years old, I'm like,

get out of here. But then I now we see people talking about it and

doing the whole thing. But the origin of all of that isn't because

Whitewater was founded by witches. It's because there was a

spiritualist institute there, the Morris Bread Institute.

The farthest thing from witches I mean they're mediums who claim they can talk to

the dead, but they're not performing witchcraft like for Satan. They have nothing to do

with pentagrams or anything like that. I mean spiritualism in the

kind of things that they practice is just basically a

form of Christianity where people can talk to the dead. But it's weird because

they, you know, they do things like seances. And so,

of course, that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna make people talk.

But I I've heard people say that they you know, there's a lot of witchcraft

energy around white Yeah. Yeah. Because you know about all the witches. And I'm Mike,

do you word witches? They were spear I you know, I just

it just gets me, when people just spread

misinformation. That's all. And the thing is, you know, you

wonder why the area I'm from is was a supernatural

wonderland, Wendy. And, I'll tell you, it's

because we were in the far burbs of Milwaukee where it was half

farm kids and half kids whose parents worked in the city or from Miller or

something like that. And so once you get on the farms, there's not

that much to do. Nothing to do. You gotta make up stories.

Collinsville, Illinois has the 7 gates of hell too. Oh Mike gosh.

And so you have to go through every gate in order at

midnight. And when you pass through the 7th

gate, a portal to hell will open and you'll be greeted by hellhounds.

Okay. And, if you repeat the order in

reverse where you go from gate 7 to gate 1 at midnight,

you'll either see the hounds or the portal will tear a hole into reality,

or you can glimpse the lake of fire. Cool.

Now somebody actually went through it and and, he documented all

these gates. It's huntersoftheunknown.com. They went through,

and it's mostly, like, old railroad bridges.

Oh, interesting. That kind of look like gates because they're Mike you walk under

a bridge. And so the people made, you know, in Collinsville, Illinois,

another place where we're bored and we need something to do. Hey, girls. Let's

go to the gates of hell and do the Ouija board. Well and those things

always make you wonder about if, you know, it's kind

of like the the geographic version of a tulpa.

You know, so many people going there and transferring fear

and having expectations of of stuff happening. Like, if that

energy just collects over the years and creates something there, you

know? That's why it's interesting when people do investigations at those places.

I'm always curious to see if they pick anything up.

Well, and the thing is I mean, this idea

of a portal to the underworld,

that's it's even though we make fun of the kids, you know, we're like, oh,

man, like, you know, the farm kids are so you know, even though we're

making fun of them, this is something that's been around forever. Back in the middle

ages, it was a pretty common thing for artwork outside a

church to show a hell mouth, and, a

helm or the jaws of hell, like an entrance to hell with people

going into it, which would be like the jaws of a, like a

huge dragon, or a beast, or a serpent, or something like that. Like

it's a devil opening his mouth and swallowing them.

And you know, people kind of talk about that as

that comes from this idea of Fenris, this

great wolf in Norse mythology who,

like the rest of the Norse gods, were trying to keep his mouth as

wide open as possible because he could, like, open up his

mouth and swallow the world kind of thing. Oh. Fenris

and when Ragnarok hits, Fenris kills Odin

and, you know, is one of the Mike causes

the end of Mike Ragnarok, the end of the world.

So I mean this idea of the hellmouth, like the, you know, the

jaws of the devil or whatever, I mean goes back I mean,

beyond Christianity, of course. And even when you

go back to Greek myth, there's that idea that your body just doesn't go

to hell. So I mean you Mike, and then you don't just go to the

underworld, You have to go across the river Styx.

Mhmm. And, Mike, Charon

is the guy that he's the he's the ferryman that takes you

across into the, you know, the land of the dead. And that

land of the dead, the underworld in the

Greco Roman mythology, and it's also, like, in

in old Jewish mythology in the there's it's called Sheol,

and I think some people think that's where we get our word hell. Oh, interesting.

But, like, in that mythology, the land of the dead, it's just a dark place.

It's all very, similar to the boring,

sad Greek land of the dead, where, you know, you go there and it's not

very much fun. Yeah. And, but the

crossing of the river Styx, like some Greeks were buried

in their hand, they were buried with coins, and the coin was

supposed to be for the ferryman. So you'd give the coin to

Charon. Charon's obol is what they called it. Ah. And you give

him a little money, and so then he takes you across to Styx.

So you pay him a little bit to take you across. And you know

there's been a ton of Mike I mean grave robbers have gone through,

and in a lot of these Greek and Roman places the grave robbers

look for any kind of little monies there because that would be a collectible you

could get to museum or things. So if you raid like an ancient Greek

grave or ancient Roman grave, you'd look for Charonzo bull because

that's what you want to steal to get to the museum. Wow. And then

even as recently as, I would

say the 19th century, my mother would talk

about she would be at funerals where people had coins on the eyes of the

dead. And I thought

that that was related to, you know, a penny for the

ferryman or whatever, but it's not.

They put pennies on the eyes or quarters on the eyes of the dead

to keep the eyes closed in an open casket funeral.

Mike there's even a picture of like I saw my Mary Todd Lincoln before, there's

even a picture like Abe Lincoln. Man. Like they put they put coins on his

eyes so he wouldn't so the eyes wouldn't pop open in the middle of the

funeral. Oh, boy. Today, morticians have like an eye

cap that's like a little, a contact lens they

can put over the eyeball and there's grippers. I was gonna say, I would think

they just glue your eyes shut or something that what do I know? Well, they

they sew your mouth shut. Right? So

the idea of like you're like imagine if you could still feel or think but

you just can't move. Oh god, it's so funny. No no no, let's not, no.

So either they use the contact lenses with grippers on them or there's a

thin line of adhesive in the lids that they can, you know, they kind of,

so they do glue your eyes shut a little bit. But back in the day,

they didn't have that, so they put the, the coins on the

eyes. So the coins in the eyes that I thought had always had something to

do with the with money for the ferryman into the land of the dead.

But not so much. Not so much. It's practical. Practical.

You know, but there were places in ancient Greece

where they they thought were, you know, portals to the

underworld. And a lot of times these were caves,

and you would have to, like obviously caves have rivers and you know,

ground water and stuff, and you know they think that if you could

go into that cave or

whatever, eventually you would get to the land of the dead.

And there's a couple of different places where people as you know

consider Mike there's a cave near Lerna Lake,

a cave near the river Atcheron, a cave

at Tenerum, And Mike, why would it always be caves? Why would, you know, why

was the underworld? Well, in the, like, mid 20th

century, they discovered this particular cave in Greece that had been

used as a a place where they bury

people. Oh, okay. So there's, like, this massive cave that

they did like, they read us, like, the ancestors of the Greek people that

that then spread to the rest of the the rest of the country

or whatever. They remember burying

all these people for centuries or whatever in this gigantic

cave. So they think of these different caves as the entrance to the

underworld. That's and I mean, it works too because caves are dark

and scary. Scary. Right. So it plays nicely into

that fear and whatnot. Right. And when you bury

people, you put them in the ground. Right. So so that's the

idea. You put them in the ground. Now the Greeks didn't really have a,

the concept of hell that Wendy today,

and the ancient Jews didn't really have that concept either. They had this

idea of Gehenna, Mike this

horrible place you might go after God's judgment

kind of thing. Like the early Jewish people didn't even have as much of an

idea, of the afterlife until they'd been

introduced to Greek society. So most of the time in the old

testament, God's not promising eternal life or

whatever. God's doing favors for you in this life,

not the next life. And that really

is a Greek idea that you have this eternal soul and that you go

to a place after you've died. And then the Christians jump

onto it and they make, alright. Well, there's a there's a place you go to

that's if you're good, and there's a place you go to if you're bad.

And even some Christians have this, I think they're

called a nihilist Christians. It's a sweet name. I'm an

nihilist. And they'd and I've been I've been,

read an article by the archbishop of Canterbury where he talks about this, where he

says, like, you don't immediately go to heaven after you die. You don't immediately go

to hell. Your body's just dead and then you get raised

from you get raised from the grave in the day of judgment, and that's when

Jesus makes the call, whether you go up or whether you go

down. So there'd be no human because we haven't

had judgment day yet. There's no humans in hell. I see. Okay. So that that

kind of thing. And that goes that's the whole idea. Ghosts too would go against

that. That's why a lot of Christians don't believe in ghosts because there's

no spirit for them to haunt. So that's what they would say, it's not

really a ghost, it's a demon kind of messing with you or

whatnot. So I mean we get these traditional ideas of

places where people have said are entrances to the underworld.

There's obviously the, you know, the local urban legends

from Stull Cemetery to Pennsylvania where people had

it. And then there's the modern. You know, I

think we think of ourselves, you know, because we are we are modern people, Wendy,

you and I. Indeed we are. We think of ourselves as fairly

cosmopolitan. And because we think

of that, we're Mike, well, you know, hell is not a place.

Right? You know, even if you believe in the idea of hell,

it's not a place, a physical location that you just, like you

don't dig a hole in the backyard and keep digging till you get there.

Right. Or do you? The well to

hell was, Russians

drilled so deep into the Earth in the

late 19 eighties that they, they

actually found hell. So they go

down, like, almost 9 miles into the Earth. Wow.

Once they once they drilled that far, then it broke through

into a cavity on the inside of the earth, like something like something like a

hollow earth, something's in there. Right? Did it break into an antrum? It

broke into the earth's antrum. And so they dropped a

microphone down there. And they said that the

microphone could only last, like, 30 seconds or something like that

before it burned up. But then here was the sound they

got. Oh, boy. And the sound was just people screaming Mike you've heard it.

Oh, yeah. I heard it on coast to coast AM 1 night when I was,

like, up super late and then or couldn't sleep or something.

Right. It didn't help me fall asleep hearing that. No.

And Mike, check this out. Horrifying. And so the it's a

Siberian hell sound. And of course, it happens in Siberia.

Yeah. It happens in the 80s. They say they only got 17

seconds before the microphone melts.

And then what happens is is that this gets picked

up by the Trinity Broadcasting Network. So this hoax,

like somebody prints it in like a small Christian publication or whatever and then

gets picked up by the Trinity Broadcasting Network, TBN,

and, they start running a story Mike on their TV station

that scientists discover hell. Yeah. And and

then it starts getting picked up all over the place. By the time we hear

about it in, like, the late nineties, it's, you know, an urban legend for

years. It's something that you kinda hear about before the Internet where you can actually

talk to people and see if it's real or whatnot. And the thing is

the audio recording actually wasn't heard

until 2,002 when somebody sent it in

to Coast to Coast AM, like emailed it and said, I've discovered

the audio recording. So I didn't realize this. So the audio, like, the

audio recording wasn't heard. It was just reported for the first, like, 10

years, and then Oh, okay. Somebody emails it in the

coast to coast. And, like, here's the letter they write in. They're like, I just

recently began listening to your radio show and could not believe it when you talked

about the sounds from hell tonight. My uncle had told me this story a couple

years ago, and I didn't believe him. Like one of your listeners who discounted the

story as nothing more than just a religious newspaper fabricated account, The

story about the digging, the hearing the sounds from hell is very real. It did

occur in Siberia. My uncle collected videos in the paranormal and

supernatural. He passed away recently. He let me listen to one of the

audiotapes he had on the sounds from hell in Siberia, and I copied it. He

received this copy from a friend who worked at the BBC. Attached is that

sound from my uncle's tape. Oh my gosh. And so he plays it on

coast to coast, and then obviously that's what we hear. But, oh my god. That's

terrifying. Wendy has nightmares. Right. And,

you know, it's interesting because this is all a

hoax, obviously. The Russians the Russians

did dig a super deep hole, but it wasn't Siberia. It

was near the, the Kola Peninsula, which

shares the border Russia's border with Norway and Finland. Mhmm.

And they got 7 and a half miles deep called the Kola

Superdeep Borehole. And they did that in

1989, but they didn't they didn't get any supernatural encounters.

They said it was interesting Mike for science, but there was no like

strange supernatural encounters. But what happens is

this Finnish newsletter originally is the place where they did the

first they they first report it or they first do a report of it in

a Finnish, like, Christian newsletter. And then this Finnish

teacher is on vacation in America. He sees, like, TBN or something

like that, and he's like, oh, man. I can

make this even worse. So he trolls like Mike, what? TBN

Oh, no. And makes things even worse. And so then what

happens is Mike TBN reports it, then it gets kind of forgotten about except

on the people who listen to Coast to Coast, And then somebody decides to troll

Art Bell by, looping audio from a

movie called Baron Blood in 1972. Like, they

take this old movie. They, like, loop and layer the audio

probably in Garageband or something, and then they send it to

Art Bell. And, yeah, and then it becomes a hoax. And

there's there's this whole article on Skeptoid where they go into the

history of the, of the well to hell and the

hoax. And, you know, they get a quote from Mike the

Finnish teacher that's like, yeah, he really

wanted to screw with everybody and he was happy. He

took a hoax. Yeah. He was happy through the hoax. So the well

to but the thing is is Mike it's good. Like, I first heard that. I'm

Mike, oh my god. Is that real? Which is cool because, you know, it it

just goes to show imagination and having that whole story set up before you

hear it. Mhmm. Just and it is just

really an awful sound. So Well, you know,

that's and Coast to Coast also had a thing for really deep holes.

There's a guy called in from Washington State. He said his name was

Mel Waters and that, he, you know,

he earns owns some rural property in, Kittius

County, Washington, and he said there was a weird hole there. And he said

it had infinite depth and the ability to restore dead animals to

life. So I mean going into the ground in

resurrection, I mean that's straight out of the Apostles'

Creed. I mean that the harrowing of hell after

Jesus dies, he goes down to hell with with dead

people and then comes back out to prove that he's got power over the devil

and power over death. Greek myth, Orpheus,

you know, going into hell to pick up Eurydice to, you know,

see if he can can get his wife back.

Odysseus visits the underworld and comes back from

it. This idea that you can go to the underworld and resurrect, I mean,

that's kind of even if you go to the Epic of

Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh does the exact same thing, goes to the underworld where the dead

are and returns and resurrects. And so Mel's saying

that his hole can do that with animals, with pet the pet cemetery of

Washington state. Wow. Anyway,

he said he's got it to more than 8 80,000 feet. He said he

used fishing line and a weight. Where do you get 80,000 feet of

fish on Mel? Nice. But he said what

happened was that the US government seized this land and

then made him like, funded his relocation to Australia.

So then other people called up and said, like, that, yes, they'd heard of Mel's

Hole. 1 guy called up and said that he was a medicine man by

the name of Red Elk Oh, jeez. And that he, you know, he's been

to the hole, and he's like, yes. It's a top secret base where alien activity

occurs. Just, you know, all this kind of thing. I mean, Mel Waters,

like, he there's no evidence that he was ever, you know, ever anybody

owned any kind of property in Washington state by the name of, you know,

Mel Waters or whatever. And even the State

Department of Natural Resources had to be like, no. Mel's Hole

does not exist and it's geologically impossible that anything

because let me do the math real quick. Like one mile

is like, 500 or 5000 some feet. Right?

Mhmm. So 80,000 divided by, whatever, 532. So

that'd be over 15 miles deep. So if

the Russians using all of their technology only

got 7 and a half miles into the earth, we're

supposed to believe that this Mel speaking of

speaking of holes, what what kind of a holes does he think we

are for Billy? So this idea, this

portals to hell, that people are out there and they're looking

for, you know, ways into the underworld, it's gone on a

lot longer than just, Jack Osborne and Katrina Weidman

have been looking for in the past 2 years. So you guys

can see what they find when they look for the portals to hell. It'll be

Friday 13th premiering in the travel channel at 8 PM

CST. And you can see what the grandson of darkness

finds, you know, when when they go out

and Yes. Alright. Well, I look forward to checking that out.

Jack and Katrina purposefully going to places with a dark

energy made me think about Nietzsche's infamous passage from beyond good

and evil. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the

process, he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an

abyss, the abyss also looks into you. And, of course,

portals to hell is gonna make me think about the crack of doom. That's

what Tolkien called the forge where Sauron from the Lord of the Rings created

the one ring to rule them all, and it's where it had to be taken

to be destroyed. But the phrase the crack of doom originally meant

something else. The word crack means an extremely loud noise Mike

a crack of thunder, and the crack of doom means the end of the world

because it's the loud noise of angelic trumpets that will sound at the

breaking of the 7th seal, and that's the beginning of the last judgment

from the book of Revelation. Jesus will return and bring the good souls

to heaven and cast the bad souls into the lake of fire.

Catholic filmmaker Kevin Smith played with this idea in his film, Red

State. So you throw together a little Nietzsche, the gates of hell, and

a lake of fire, and that's how you get this week's song. Here's

Sunspot with the crack of doom.

I took on the devil so I could make my mark.

I went fighting monsters and I stepped into the

dark. Tragedies, infirmities,

terrible, bloody

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

time. See you on the other side. All this talk

about the gates of hell makes me think about the people we're gonna see

on the gates to heaven. That is the See

You on the Other Side Sunspot Patreon community.

Those are the people who are sweet and wonderful enough,

and I did talk to the pope, and you're all going to heaven as long

as you keep your Patreon current. You you could do whatever you

want. The pope says it's cool. I was curious how you were gonna tie that

one in. Nice. But the Patreon

community are the coolest people we know, and they're the people who financially support the

See You on the Other Side podcast as well as our band, Sunspot, with a

small donation every month. Patreon is the

vehicle by which you can, financially

contribute to some of your favorite creators, including people

like Wendy and I. Wendy, where can people find the Patreon for

us? They can find our Patreon by visiting othersidepodcast.com/

donate. And the Patreon at the level where he

gets a shout out in every single episode is our friend, doctor

Ned. Ned. Doctor Ned, your contribution

makes shows like this and our songs and everything like that happen, and we thank

you very much for the support. And to all our Patreon community, you

guys are the best. Thank you so much. And we can't

wait to get you some special live videos, posts, and things like

that. We're hopefully still gonna be going to Texas. We still have 3

events lined up in Texas next week. And as long as the coronavirus

doesn't come along and kill everybody else, we are planning on

going down there and we got some special stuff for you lined up and including

a special paranormal event on Sunday.

You know all this talking about the gates of hell makes me

think

That makes me think that too.