Darragh and Ellen chat about the economy in relation to the COVID and climate crisis, though not before Ellen talks about sea swimming and Darragh talks about birdwatching. The economy hasn't been able to function very well throughout the pandemic. With the impacts of climate change on the horizon, what needs to change to crisis proof our economy? Tune in to find out.

In this episode Doughnut Economics is mentioned. You can find out more here: https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/

And more about the birds study here: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201204110246.htm