Episode 3 Season 24: Shaun Boyce & Justin Yeo

In this episode of Ten Minutes of Tennis, Shaun talks to world renowned tennis coach Justin Yeo about how a professional baseball recruiter changed the world of tennis coaching forever. There are three (3) types of natural "throwers" in the world: long, short, and side arm. There are only two types of serves: long and modified. Which one best suits your natural throw?

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- Hey, hey, this is Shaun with GoTennis!

And this is our ten minutes of tennis.

So today we are talking with World-Renowned

Tennis Coach Justin Yeo and the topic is the question,

is your serve really your serve?

And before I even let that sink in,

is your serve really your serve?

That makes me worried.

That makes me, have I been doing it wrong all this time?

We've got a couple of ways to look at it.

One, I'm an adult player, am I really doing it wrong?

And I've been copying the best and try to make it the best.

Or I've got my son and I need to teach him

the right way to do it.

So Justin, what do we mean by that?

And can you help us answer that question?

- Absolutely.

How you doing guys?

It's quite simple for the last, probably least 25,

almost 30 years I've been teaching people,

find out what their throwing action is first,

to then build their serve.

What we found is that when you get a throwing action

from a little age, your throw is your throw.

So whether you're a short arm or you're a full long arm,

you can start to identify whether you should maybe look

at more of a modified service action.

And you can talk about like on the female side,

just for Google or on the male side is TFO,

Francis TFO, very short arm, very explosive.

Andy Radik was one of the biggest ones

that started the whole concept of it.

And made people realize that if your throwing action is there,

all you've got to do is build off that.

So it's not something that's commonly talked about,

but I've had very, very, very good success rate

that allows people also less mental issues

when they're over the ball,

because it's already a map that's in their brain

that they know how to throw.

So I try to build a serve around their throw.

When you throw two, you tend to use your hips.

So there's a lot of service actions

where nobody uses their hips

and they try to place their foot to replace the hips,

where they try to turn too much of the upper torso

to make up for the hips.

And that's when they lose balance

or the ball toss goes off all the time.

And there's all these things compensating,

when really if you can just learn how to build,

just serve around your throw,

it can make a big difference

and it can really make it very easy to build.

So I'm an adult, which I like to think that I am.

I'm an adult and I already have a serve.

I've been playing since I was nine years old.

Let's just use me as an example.

You're gonna watch me throw a ball.

Now you've told me previously,

there are three different ways people throw the ball.

What is it?

What are those?

Yeah, I looked at all from a baseball crew

many years ago, but he was explaining that there's a full arm

thrower, there's a modified serve thrower

and there's a side arm thrower.

Side arm people are pretty much screwed in tennis.

So just saying straight up,

that's one of the hardest things

if they've already got a side arm throw,

it's gonna be really hard to develop the shoulder

to go that way, but on the other side,

I've seen a lot of big full arm service actions

and when you see them throw modified, it's like,

well, okay, why wouldn't you just go up into that

trophy stance straight away?

Learn to balance with your hips and learn the ball toss

and then just use your throwing action.

And I've corrected a lot of full arms into modified

and then I've gone the other way too.

Watch the full arm thrower who's been trying to modify

and he's too stiff here,

whereas when you see him throw,

he's actually really relaxed and easier to throw.

So we can go over all the mechanics,

elasticity, mental needs to be nice and relaxed to become.

I've always just said balance, rhythm, control,

very simple things to make it easy,

but if you build it around a throwing action,

a throwing action naturally has a good in hip rotation,

it naturally is you tend to be balanced when you throw a ball,

you naturally know how the chest goes first shoulder,

all the mechanics start to work easy

if you just build it up around a throw action.

So something I've found very successful,

I've seen adults change mid-life and all of a sudden

don't have knee issues or lower back issues

because they've just learned to build this around

the throw action.

And so as an adult in my 40s,

I don't need, it's gonna create a mid-life crisis

if my serve isn't working for me

because maybe I've got it wrong.

So I just need a mid-life serve adjustment.

So I need to call, instead of the mid-life crisis,

we need to go with a mid-life serve adjustment.

It may be hard, it may be that one step back

to take two steps forward, go to my coach.

I'm gonna, if I've got my coach, I can go to him and say,

hey look, I heard this thing, right?

And I think players do that a lot where they go,

hey coach, I saw this thing on YouTube,

but I heard I was supposed to hold my pinky up when I served.

Like there's always some weird thing online

you can learn, but this one seems to really be focused

in inside the biomechanics of Awea.

And so I can go to my coach and say,

hey can I throw a ball and have you just double check me?

Maybe we can make a couple adjustments in that case.

It helps that mental toughness.

We talked about Andy Roddick,

or not Andy Roddick, Andy Murray the other day,

where Roddick served with just there, always there

'cause it was just what he did, his brain knew it,

his body knew it, and Andy Murray kind of had this big,

that hope it works, kind of look on his face every time.

But switching from that, if I've got a child

and they're still learning to throw even,

is there a way I can just have them,

I've got some videos of kids just throwing a ball,

eight or 10 times, throw a ball over and over again.

They still even know how to throw.

Well, how do I look at that as a coach?

Now I'm the coach and I say, all right little Justin,

I'm watching you throw a ball, let's go into this.

I want you to go home and watch Francis, not Fritz, right?

Or the opposite, go watch Fritz and try to emulate him

and that's some pretty good advice for a kid.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, you did two parts in that question.

First one was that the adults over 40,

anyone over 40, the shoulder is pretty much where it is.

So you're either really strong external rotation

or you're really strong internal rotation.

So, build your server around where that strength is

because I see a lot of guys too externally trying to do things

and really their strength is on the internal.

So build the server around as you've got older

because we get flip over 40 cancer like we were 20.

So your shoulder is not the same person anymore.

So build the server around what you're strength is.

On the side of the other side of that with kids,

I think a lot of kids don't do enough band work.

We hear it all the time with the players,

they're getting their band and their tennis bag.

Kids at an early stage could do band work

to keep the external rotation

and the internal rotation working.

That to me is a healthy shoulder

and a healthy long-term shoulder.

It'll also help develop the throw action.

But throw action, any pro should be pretty good at a

notified seeing that the old one is going too far around plain.

So they're not developing any generate,

they need to be inside the plane.

So mechanics and elasticity works really well.

And just work on a little bit of hip rotation

and just develop the throw, develop the throw.

And try to think of a center field

so that they're like a bow and arrow,

they're trying to throw it that way

versus throwing it down in like a baseball pitch.

Baseball pitch doesn't hurt either

because you work the internal rotation of your chest

and your torso and you learn that.

So there's all these advantages around throwing.

So I don't want to stay kids away from tennis

but baseball will really help their tennis.

Well, we see that a lot with the younger kids

to kind of wrap it up.

We say the kids go throw the ball.

We want parents to know this as well.

If go play catch with your kids,

that's actually good for their tennis.

And even go play catch where the ball has to bounce once

or however many times it takes.

You've got a four-year-old and you say,

well, tennis lessons are expensive.

Okay, it's free to play catch with your child

in the driveway.

Absolutely.

And I'll give you a quick one

in my big academy in Melbourne.

We used to hit the ball at throw the ball far

so the kids learn depth perception early, very early as well

because you'll be amazed how many kids

when a log goes up, the ball's going past the head

because they don't have depth perception early.

So that's another one you can mess around

with while practicing the throw.

I like it.

Go to your coach, whether you are a coach,

if you're a coach, talk to your players about this,

have them throw a few balls, double check your players,

serve, help them out.

If you need to go to your coach

and ask those questions, that's great.

Parents, go play catch with your kids

and walk up to the coach and say,

hey, I heard this thing on YouTube.

It's not about the pinky this time, I promise.

Justin, Yeo, I appreciate it.

Thanks so much for your time.

You're welcome, mate.

We'll see you next week.

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