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If you've ever felt overwhelmed by smartphones, social media, screen time, online predators, pornography exposure, AI, or simply trying to raise wise kids in a digital world, this conversation is for you.

In this powerful episode, Stephanie Hickox sits down with Chris McKenna, founder and CEO of Protect Young Eyes and author of Five Habits of the Tech-Ready Family: Raising Wise Kids in a Wild Digital World.

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• Practical ways to create healthy screen habits at home

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I do believe, using a quote that I heard from Pastor Jacob Aranza, that

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God can turn any of our miseries into

ministry, any of them into mission.

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That looks different for each of us,

but I do believe that He can do that.

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Speaker 4: This is the Again podcast

where we believe that what you do

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over and over really matters to God.

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I'm Stephanie Hickox, and this is

brought to you by Entrusted Ministries.

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And if you're able to listen to this

podcast, then one of your against

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is probably managing devices and

technology For you and for your family.

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You're gonna be so blessed by the wisdom

and leadership of Chris McKenna, creator

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and CEO of Protect Young Eyes, and author

of Five Habits of the Tech Ready Family:

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Raising Wise Kids in a Wild Digital World.

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It's set to release on June

16th, but I got a sneak peek

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and read it cover to cover.

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I've got most of it highlighted and

underlined, and I'm ready to take action.

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I feel equipped and inspired rather

than overwhelmed, and that's exactly

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what I want for you because this area of

digital safety is not one we can ignore.

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Chris and I talked about why

it's so important to protect our

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kids and a little bit of the how.

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And I really want you to get your hands

on this book, So we're having a giveaway.

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You can find all the

details in our show notes.

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And I'm also gonna throw in our Entrusted

book that comes with our entire video

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series for individuals or for couples

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Best of luck.

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Let's get to it

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Steph: I've read a lot on this topic,

but this book is an absolute must-read.

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Sometimes before I get on these

interviews, I feel a little

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bit of pressure, like, how am

I gonna summarize this well?

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And I was about a chapter in when

I decided I have no obligation

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to summarize this, because I want

every parent to buy this book.

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And I wanna get into more of

why I think it's so phenomenal.

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But first, Chris, could you tell us a

little bit about yourself, about what you

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do at Protect Young Eyes, and why God led

you to be the man leading this charge?

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Chris: Sure, because this is

not what I thought I'd be doing.

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So I like to tell the story because

it's kind of fun and unexpected, and

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that's kind of what God does sometimes.

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So, love the Lord, uh, husband to

Andrea, 26 years married now, four

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children in middle, high, and college.

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So my oldest is our only daughter.

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She's 21, and then we have three

boys who are ages 14, 16, and 16.

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Set of twins in there.

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really unique set of twins, one who has

Down syndrome, the other one doesn't,

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so fraternal in every sense of the word.

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They look different, they act different,

their chromosomes are different.

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I mean, everything is

different, so it's fabulous.

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And so like many of you listening to this

or watching this, like you, I'm stumbling

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and bumbling through the digital age

trying to figure this out the best I can.

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But professionally, there's a

journey that got me to where I am.

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Again, I never expected this.

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So I'm a CPA by profession.

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That was what I was trained for.

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That's my degree, double major in

Spanish, did international business.

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I worked at Ernst & Young for

12 years in risk consulting.

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I loved that job, and still to this

day, I was just trading a message

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with somebody that I worked with,

even though it's been almost 15 years.

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But the Lord called me into ministry,

so I left behind the business job

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and went into full-time student

ministry, which was quite the change.

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If you can imagine, you know, that

switch while Andrea's pregnant with

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twins nonetheless 16 years ago.

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But that timeframe is really

important because I made that

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change, Stephanie, in 2009.

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So from 2009 to 2016, in terms

of technology, I watched us put

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technology, portable technology,

into the pockets of kids.

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That's when that happened, right?

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Around 2011, 2012, parents are

now handing down their old iPhones

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to kids, starting to tote this

device around, downloading apps.

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And not that parents were bad, they

just didn't know what they didn't know.

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None of us really did.

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Now, I had also been exposed

to pornography as a child.

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I carried, uh, an addiction to pornography

then into adulthood and into marriage.

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I had come through that through Christ

and accountability, but then I watched us

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put that monster back in kids' pockets,

and that terrified me as a youth pastor

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because, Stephanie, the early days of

social media, I know that we know that

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there's horrible things about Snapchat

and TikTok and Instagram today, but the

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early days of social media when Snapchat

and Instagram are just out of the

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gate, it was truly the Wild Wild West.

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Zero moderation and controls.

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On Instagram in the early days, you

could find straight-up streaming clips

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of pornography just right there in

the Explore feed to watch, no problem.

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That was easy, and yet parents

thought it was a picture app.

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And so I'm watching kids download

and use this, and that felt

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really disconcerting to me.

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So I started doing education at my church.

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I did a presentation on pornography

to parents, which a lot of people

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were surprised I was doing this

talk, but then they were relieved

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to know that there was a resource.

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And so I created a Facebook

group and launched the website in

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2015, and now 10 years, 11 years

later, are where we are today.

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Again, this was not what I expected.

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Um, after ministry, I went to

Covenant Eyes, which is a software

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company that I'm sure many

listening to this maybe recognize.

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Uh, that was the software

that I had used for years.

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I still love it, but now full-time

at Protect Young Eyes, leading a team

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of presenters all over the world.

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And over the past year and a half, trying

to cram everything I've learned over

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the past decade into a book with stories

and as many tips and ideas as possible.

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So that's the journey.

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Again, I, I look back and I see how

business and understanding risk and

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mitigating risk and loving families

and ministry has all kind of worked

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together now with technology because

it's risk and it's families and their

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problems we've got to take care of.

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So that's the story.

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Steph: Amazing.

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I, I have to tell you, I was in the

introduction of the book when you were

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sharing a little bit of your past,

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Chris: Yeah

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Steph: I just had to put the book down and

thank God for you and your courage and for

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your wife for being willing to share your

struggle so that you can hold parents by

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the hand and help them protect their kids.

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And I wondered a little bit,

what was that season like?

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Was there a battle that the

enemy tried to make you be quiet

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about what you had experienced?

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And especially thinking, "I'm a

dad now, and maybe I don't want

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my kids to know all of this."

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And I'm asking this because there

might be dads listening, especially,

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that feel like, "You know what?

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Who am I to speak into

my kids' lives on this?

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This isn't an area of victory in my life."

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And, and so I'm wondering if you

can share a little bit of how God

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gave you the courage to do this.

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Chris: I'll recognize straight up front

that Everybody's journey is so unique,

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and there's nuance and complications.

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And so not that everything that

worked for me automatically translates

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into others' experiences, but I do

believe, using a quote that I heard

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from Pastor Jacob Aranza, that God

can turn any of our miseries into

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ministry, any of them into mission.

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That looks different for each of us,

but I do believe that He can do that.

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And I'll, I'll say there are some

things that kind of accidentally

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happen, but they're not.

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Those are just words that

I use to describe it.

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You know, for example, I can't explain

why where I was running that one night

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listening to that podcast from Matt

Chandler, um, and I had a chance to meet

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him just last year and shake his hand

and thank him just for being obedient in

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preaching and teaching, and for whatever

reason, God used that message to convince

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me that it was time to come clean.

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I can't explain why in that

moment, but I had a choice in that

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moment while running that night.

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I could have not been obedient and not

admitted to Andrea that this was an issue.

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That could have happened.

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So I think, you know, we have those this

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where Jesus says, you know, " This path

is steal, kill, destroy, but I have come

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to give you life and give it abundantly."

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Like, we sort of have those choices

in front of us, I think more often

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than we realize, and it's just

taking advantage of, of those.

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So it was that moment that

I decided that it was time.

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And then the other one, and I do share

a little bit about this one in the

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book, Stephanie, is I honestly never

really intended when I started at the

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very beginning doing presentations,

I didn't really intend to be

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fully transparent about my story.

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I mean, that, to your point, it's

not something you just go, "Hey, I

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used to look at porn, you know, and

I wanna tell the world about it."

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You know, that's, that's

usually not your first instinct.

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Um, but I was in front of this church

speaking, and there was just, again,

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there was this moment where I just knew

I had to admit to the audience that

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that was something I had struggled with.

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And this was a pretty conservative,

buttoned-up, Sunday morning, Sunday school

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kinda church, and they brought me in

to speak to about 100 of their parents.

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Not the typical audience where I'm just

gonna bare my soul, but I did, and they

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responded so surprised and graciously.

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Like, w- I think it was first, "I can't

believe," and then, "Oh my gosh, I can't

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believe that I'm not the only one."

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And it, like, there was a- this relief.

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And I-- what I saw happen, and this

is the encouragement I want to give

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to any dad, you know, listening to

this, um, it doesn't have to be that

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your kids know your whole story.

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They don't need to know

all of the details.

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But the gospel can become clear through

that our struggle, God's salvation through

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Christ, and our victory through Christ,

I mean, that's really the gospel message.

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We all have different versions of that,

and for your kids to know enough at

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an age-appropriate level is enough.

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That this is sin in the world, and that

can look a lot of different ways, and I,

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you know, was able to come through that,

and this is now what I'm doing with it.

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And as they get older, like, my

kids don't know the whole story.

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They know because, well, I've written

a book, and I even talked about it

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in a documentary, "Childhood 2.0,"

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that I struggled with porn

and I've come through that.

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That's enough for some ages.

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So it's more just embracing God's

goodness in that moment, doing what

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you can with it, sharing enough so

they know the beauty in overcoming sin,

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um, and when you feel prompted, obey.

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I, I guess that's what I would

leave you with is when feel, when

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you feel that prompting, obey.

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Um, it worked in a way that

I could have never expected.

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And what you often find, Stephanie,

is by sharing, you give others

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the courage to also share.

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It's that beautiful principle

that John Acuff, who's a great

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author and leader, says, "You give

people the gift of going second

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when you have the courage through

obedience to sometimes go first."

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So dads, you can, and moms, we all have

our struggles, whether it's pornography or

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anger or whatever addiction it might be,

but when prompted, run toward that light

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and you never know what might happen.

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Steph: Hmm.

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So eloquently explained, and I, I

really have such admiration for you.

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First of all, I guess with Protect

Young Eyes, uh, when I come to

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your website, I just feel like,

"Whew, I can take a breath.

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There's somebody that can actually

guide me through this," because

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it absolutely feels daunting.

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And even the ad campaign right

now that TikTok is, saying, "Well,

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we have all of these parental

controls," and I'm like: Wait, what?

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Is this true?

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And "I know exactly where

I'm gonna look to find out."

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if people don't know, you have a

device guide for every single device

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and how secure you can make it.

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It's just so comprehensive and amazing,

and you're constantly updating it, I

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am so grateful for the clarity, and I

think your background does absolutely

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explain why God gifted you to make it

so clear and accessible for parents.

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So when I was thinking about, what

sets your book apart, because " The

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Anxious Generation" is phenomenal at

explaining the why of why we have to

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go to battle for this, and, and it's

even amazing to me that he's even

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writing from a secular perspective

of realizing how detrimental this is.

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And then Aaron Lachner's book of

"The Opt-Out Family" is incredible

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at also the why and giving

a better yes for our family.

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But I would say your book is the why

and the how, and you bring such clarity

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to exactly how are we gonna do this.

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And, I think that that's what sets this

apart as an absolute must-read, must-buy.

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Chris: Thank you.

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I'm so glad to hear that.

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That, that's the word I want it to embody.

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That's the consultant in me.

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See a problem, fix a problem.

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And that's that background where my job

was to keep businesses out of trouble.

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So how would you do that?

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You'd look back to see what

trouble we've experienced.

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You look forward to see what your desired

destination is, and you try not to

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recommit the things that were problems

in the past, and guess what things could

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happen to get there and put in controls

and procedures to prevent those things.

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So to me, it's that same mindset.

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That's why I spend a whole chapter talking

about how the heck did we get here?

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Because for us, I think to chart a

desired path forward, we have to try

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not to recommit the sins of the past.

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And we're really at risk of doing that

with AI, recommitting all the same

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sins with social media that we ignored

for 10 years with this new technology.

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And so that's why I wanna look back

before we look forward, and I'm so

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glad that it achieved that for you.

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Like, that was my, truly my goal.

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So that's awesome.

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Steph: Good.

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Well, it absolutely comes through.

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And I think you do a beautiful job of,

walking in humility and making this

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approachable for families that if you

haven't done this well, if you are

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carrying shame for, "You know what?

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I think my kids have been exposed

to things," this is not a book that

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is going to make you feel condemned.

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It's going to make you feel equipped

to move forward the right way, and I

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really appreciate how you did that.

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And, the gracious way you model your

parenting of how much you love your kids

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by actually putting in, "These are the

phrases I've said to my kids to let them

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know I'm doing this all out of love."

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And whether you're taking back a device

or whether you're teaching a five-year-old

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about images that make you feel

uncomfortable, Your love for your kids

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as a father was just a banner over this.

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Chris: Thank you.

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Thank you.

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They may roll their eyes from time

to time, you know, in real life, but

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as, as I say to parents, you know, if

they're not rolling their eyes, then

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you're probably not saying it enough.

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Steph: Yep.

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Chris: that's, that's the parental

algorithm that I want us to be

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over and over and over again,

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Steph: It is so fascinating to see how we

got here to this overprotective stranger

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danger face on the milk carton generation

and I was so struck by the part where you

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said you actually need to be less teaching

your kids about the stranger danger on

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the street, but more saying if someone

online is too nice to you and they don't

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have a reason to be so nice to you, that

those things should raise a red flag.

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And it's just such a mind

shift, I think, for our

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Chris: Is, yeah

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Steph: of how we were raised.

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Chris: Yeah, for sure.

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I agree.

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And Jonathan presses into that.

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You know, and, and that's where the

history is fascinating, Stephanie,

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because at the same exact time that

our cultural and country anxiety was

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at its highest, right on the heels of

9/11, is when we now start to have some

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of these technologies taking shape.

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And so it unfortunately preyed

on two things: our fears and our

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desire to have happy children.

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Every parent wants a happy child, and

now here comes a dopamine-driven happy

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device that keeps them off the street.

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That's a perfect thing for me if

that's the way that I'm feeling.

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So you're right.

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I think if we step back and

recognize those things, we

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go, "Wait a minute, that's me.

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That, that, that's me.

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I'm making some of this up in my

head," and to get back to some of those

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more analog mindsets, hopefully so.

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Steph: Right.

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Well, let's go through a little bit,

if we could, just maybe touch on each

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of the five habits and why each is so

pivotal in protecting our families.

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Chris: Well, things are gonna change,

and so that's why I wrote it the way

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that I did, because otherwise it can

feel a little bit like Whac-A-Mole.

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The new technology, the new app, right?

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And we do want to make sure parents

understand the new things that come

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out, but I want there to be principles

that regardless of the next You know, AI

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technology that we haven't even conceived

yet comes out, that there are certain

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principles that I think we can apply to

whatever that is in order to find success,

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in order to have kids who use technology

in a good, positive, God-honoring way.

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And so that's why it's written

at that kind of habit level.

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So it starts with us to model the right

behaviors, and there's five of them here.

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And, you know, for my left brain

CPA spreadsheet, that's just kind

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of the way my brain works is in

frameworks and flow charts, and

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so you get a habit framework here.

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So number one, we model the

right behaviors starting with us.

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I go through micro-moves, little

things that we can do to show our kids

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how to use technology in a way that

still honors them while also doing

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the things we need to do as parents.

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I understand that we have certain

productivity and grades and

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schedules and sports and things

that we need to keep up with.

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I get that, and I'm on my phone just

like many of you, checking those things.

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And when's my son's track meet?

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And when's his event?

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And all-- You're checking

those things constantly.

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But I think there's a mindfulness there

that the same exact business model

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that TikTok and YouTube is built on

is built on the things on my phone,

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too, and hook into my attention, and

I just need to be mindful of that.

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And so modeling the right behaviors

and building a family media plan,

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which actually starts with a step

that a lot of families skip, which

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is asking the question of what

are our family values, right?

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Again, it's not in that weeds level.

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It's at the high level because regardless

of the technology that comes out or the

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show we're trying to watch or the app I'm

trying to download, instead of making all

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those individual decisions, wait a minute,

does it align with our family values?

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What are the things that we value

as a family in terms of fun or

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generosity or time together?

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Like document those things, and we

kind of walk through some ways to do

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that because I think that helps all the

other decisions be less overwhelming.

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You just kind of automatically

go, "Nope, that one doesn't align.

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Not even gonna try to

decide yes or no on it."

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So all of that is wrapped into habit

one and modeling the right behaviors.

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Then we're pursuing authentic connection.

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This is in a busy, disconnected world,

although connected digitally, still

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relationally pouring into our kids.

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And this is where we get into a lot

of the conversations, Stephanie, that

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we want parents to have related to

all of the difficult topics, talking

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to our kids about all the things

that our parents probably didn't

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talk to us about, didn't have to talk

to us about some of these things.

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But it's also in that chapter, Stephanie,

where I point out some of the ways, and

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this then gets into habit three, where

we say encourage work and play Right?

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So yes, our kids need to be doing chores

and have function around the house, and

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yes, we need our kids outside playing and

being more in the real physical world.

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But when you combine kind of habits

two and three, we have to embrace

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the realities of, well, wait a

minute, kicking my kids outside isn't

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quite as simple as it used to be.

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Steph: Mm-hmm

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Chris: Why?

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Because now I don't know what

kids are carrying around an

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iPhone that's unprotected.

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I don't know everything

about all the houses.

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So I walk parents through some of

the curious questions that we can

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be asking parents of those friends

of our kids to discover what kinds

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of digital risks might be present.

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How do we pull off birthday

parties these days when the kids

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who show up have phones with them?

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All these kinds of questions and scenarios

we didn't have to go through before, and

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I wanna make sure that we give as many

sort of step-by-step, chat-by-chat tips

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as possible, and so that's all kind of

woven in there in habits two and three.

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So model the right behaviors,

pursue authentic connection,

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encourage work and play, and then

we delay addictive technologies.

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And this is where we are not an

anti-technology organization.

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I love technology.

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I run a business through it.

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You and I have connected

through technology right?

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So there are positives, but it's

addictive technologies which demands

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an understanding of neurology to know

what things can be more addictive,

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and understanding the way that God

made the amazing brains of our kids.

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And so there's a lot

of that built in there.

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And then into habit five, which is

more of the nitty-gritty, more of

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the hardware/software, and that's

where we diligently prevent harm.

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So model the right behaviors, habit

one, pursue authentic connection,

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encourage work and play, delay addictive

technologies, and diligently prevent harm.

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And it's five habits, but then in the

last one, you get another five-layer

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framework which is the five layers

of protection that we use a pyramid

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to kind of show what that looks like.

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And that's just my way of, you know,

when something is big and overwhelming

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and kinda abstract like the internet, I,

in my brain, need to make it as tangible

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and sort of picture-driven as possible.

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And so that's why we get the habits.

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That's why we get the

pyramid of protection.

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That's why we get those sorts of

frameworks, because it just, it helps

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it feel less intimidating if I can

see it and write down what it is.

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And so I just hope that that's also a bit

of a relief to parents who read it too.

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Steph: Yes, and I loved the analogy

you gave, because I'm a Wisconsin

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girl and I live in Illinois now.

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Chris: Yeah

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Steph: the putting the layers on,

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Chris: Of course.

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Michigan winters,

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Steph: Yep.

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It makes so much sense that we would do

that with this, but then, of course, you

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built it all on the foundation of prayer.

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But you pointed out we could pray

all day long that our kids would

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be protected from these issues.

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It's not enough.

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We need to move forward in wisdom.

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S- so would you talk a little

bit more about that pyramid

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that is such a helpful diagram?

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Chris: Yeah, that's right, and it's not

saying that God's work isn't sufficient.

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It's just recognizing that God

gave us practical tools to use.

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I mean, the illustration that

I go back to is Christ himself.

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There was something significant

about the incarnate physical version

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of God with us in the practical,

in the messy, in the mud, in the

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conversations, in the relationships.

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There was something significant about

that, that I don't under- it's beyond

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me and my comprehension as to why.

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Steph: Mm-hmm

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Chris: But for the salvation story to take

place, it demanded an incarnate physical

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version of God to live and be among us.

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So I'm not saying this is,

you know, apples to apples.

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I'm not saying that anything I'm writing

about rises to that level of significance,

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but I'm just saying that there's a,

a significance to the physical, and

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in this case, yes, we pray, we use

the sword of the Spirit, and we, you

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know, beg God to surround our children

in spiritual layers of protection.

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I think one of the verses that I point

out in the book is one I've used for

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years, is Psalm 119:37, which is, "Turn

my eyes away from worthless things.

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Preserve my life according to your word."

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And I put the names of

my children in that.

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"Preserve Lauren's life," right?

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"Turn Cole's eyes away

from worthless things."

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Those…

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Right?

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So yes, we do that, but if we just

pray, you might still have porn

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because you haven't taken care of the

router at night, or you haven't put

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filters on the device, or the iPad

is laying there totally unprotected.

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And I'm sorry, but all the prayer in

the world isn't going to just activate

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a filter automatically on that iPad,

absent a divine miracle in that moment.

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So that's where the pyramid you

know, it sits there on the rock of

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prayer, but that's the practical.

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The complement of the spiritual

and the practical, I think, are

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the power in our home in order

to prevent some of these harms.

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And so that's why I think

both are so important.

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Steph: Mm-hmm.

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And I am not a tech girl at all.

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and the way that you explain the

difference between a modem and router and

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how to move forward in safety on all of

them, . It's really, really accessible

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Chris: Good.

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Yeah.

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That is definitely one of the more

technical places that I can see even

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in the audiences where we speak, their,

you know, blood pressure starts to go

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up as soon as you say the word router.

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They're like, " freeze.

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But it is so significant, as one

of those layers that can really,

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really help if we get it right.

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And, you know, the joke kind

of is, if it's overwhelming,

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then find a seventh grader.

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They'll help.

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Change the password when they walk

away, but a great way to build digital

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trust, which is a huge component of

habit two in terms of pursuing authentic

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connection, is to, while you're setting

this router up, fully admitting to your

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son or daughter that you are clueless.

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Why not explain why a router is necessary?

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It's not just because kids make mistakes.

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It's because just like a filter on

the water that comes into our home,

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or a lock on that front door or the

window, I just, I don't want junk from

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the internet to come into our home.

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Going back to our family values,

here are some of the reasons why.

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And that, I think, I've-- in

my experience, starts to build

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some of that digital trust with

our kids when they know why.

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It's not just a kid issue.

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This is a family issue that is for all

of us, and not just because we think

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you're gonna make a mistake online.

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Speaker 3: Aren't you so grateful

that you don't have to figure

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this all out on your own?

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I certainly am, and I wanna

help you get this book.

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We have all the directions for

the giveaway in our show notes.

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Check out those details and stay tuned

for part two of our conversation next week

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