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A review of the week with a focus on the Fed and the Treasury as they row in different directions.

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All right.

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Welcome back to another

edition of Daily Discernments.

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And as I warned, it's gonna

be very much almost daily.

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this is more of a week that was.

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there was a lot to talk about this

week, but I was trying to kinda take a

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step back and think about these things

a little deeper before I recorded.

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obviously I have the Daily Dots that I

do, you know, very much closer to daily.

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and then my Twitter feed, which I feel

like is kinda thinking fast, and I, I

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kinda want this to be thinking slow.

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So I didn't wanna overreact to the

Treasury stuff and talk too much

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about it on here earlier this week,

especially given that we obviously

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had Jackson Hole coming up Friday.

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So instead of throwing some videos

at you with my initial thoughts on

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that stuff kind of throughout the

early week, I decided, nah, I'll just

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do it at the end of the week when

I can kind of look at it from afar,

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you know, a, a, a little better.

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so I'll kinda catch you up on my

thoughts on really on Fed and Treasury

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at the end of the day because y-

there's a lot of other stuff going

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on, but that was the, that was, that

was really the headline for the week.

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At the end of the day, I think the

Treasury Secretary bit off more than

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he meant to chew by going all the way

to, you know, we'll use the TGA to

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backstop, you know, capping yields here.

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I think he just wanted to get

yields down, you know, ten,

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20 bips just to cool it off.

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which, you know, so far has

been perhaps kind of effective.

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at least, you know, we're basically

where we, where we are when we

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started this whole thing, but at

least you're not higher, I guess.

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but to say we're gonna throw the TGA

at it, and to have, you know, Druck

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have a, drop an op-ed criticizing,

criticizing, you know, this emergency

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policy stance despite no emergency,

I, I just feel like he did more

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than he should have done there.

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And I, I think if you gave him the

opportunity to go back in time and ask

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him if you wanna, if you wanna tell the

world you're gonna throw the TGA at,

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you know, dramatically reducing the,

the weighted average maturity of, of

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the national debt, because, you know,

the-- you don't like the market price.

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Is like, is that something

you would like to do?

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I think he would be like, "No.

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Like, I just wanted to say we will bump

up these buybacks You know, enough to

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just cool off yields for a little bit.

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but that's why you should never

put yourself into a, a situation

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where you have to, you have to

keep re-escalating with the market.

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Either you're willing to do all those

escalations or you just shouldn't touch

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it, especially with the bond market.

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Like this isn't, as I've stated before,

like this isn't oil, this isn't, this

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isn't some of these other markets that

are smaller or maybe mostly levered

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players and futures like this is real

money with, with real interests and, and,

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and this stuff, and it's the kinda global

benchmark for, for credit, for risk.

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Like it-- this is a different game, and

I think he lost sight of the fact that

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that was a different game, along the way.

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Now, you know, if we get yields busting

out to, to new highs next week, then we

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get to find out like how serious is he?

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How much, how much balance sheet is

he willing to throw at this thing?

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we'll just have to see.

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As far as, you know, the Fed, my view

was because Bessent had fumbled this, he

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really needed the Fed to come out and,

and make it clear somehow that they,

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they actually still care about inflation.

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Because so far, you know, Warshaw's

talked a good game while also

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saying he didn't wanna do anything

'cause, you know, he could just let,

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he could let rates do it for him.

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But as soon as Bessent said, "We're

not gonna let rates do anything for

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you," to me, he kinda had to pivot

back to like, "Oh yeah, the policy

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rate's actually pretty important."

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And I th- I thought he did

that today at Jackson Hole.

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Like, you know, he used the word hike a

few times talking about physically hiking,

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but I, I personally took that as a signal.

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Now, you could argue he was

trying to, he was trying to move

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around the algos by throwing the,

the word in there a few times.

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Maybe that's true, but, I thought he

put a lot on the line to, to add some

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credibility back to the Fed after I think

he, a- at least on some level, put it,

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you know, at risk a little bit, I would

say, with the, with the July meeting.

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but they're at odds.

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I mean, if he's going to, you know,

if he, if he wants long-term yields

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to help him tighten, but the Treasury

doesn't want yong- long-term yields

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to go up anymore, like that's at odds.

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Like, you can't have

both, so they gotta pick.

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So Bessent needs to either stop

talking about yields, or he needs

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to not, not do more than the,

the liquidity program buybacks.

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Like if they do activist buybacks, that's,

that's different, and then the Fed has to

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kinda mop that up with the policy rate.

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Or you just make it clear that nobody in

DC cares about inflation, not the Fed,

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not the Oval Office, not the Treasury.

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And if none of them care, I don't…

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I'm not sure Congress even

knows what inflation is anymore.

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So, like, it just makes it clear

there's no adults in the room.

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No one cares about inflation.

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They're gonna truly let it run hot.

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And that's when you, that's when

you can lose expectations, because

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expectations expect you as a

policymaker to do something about it.

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And for now, you know, that's,

that's what the market expects,

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policymakers to do something about it.

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And again, he-- I, I do think

he took a step in the right

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direction on that stuff today.

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So I think you had a significant

communication error by, by Scott

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Bessent and the Treasury, because

to be fair to him, he's not the

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one that said the TGA thing.

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That was like a CNBC thing that

came from some unnamed officials.

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But, I wanted to highlight a few things

that, Warsh said today with s- just

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with some thoughts on them, because I

think some of the stuff's important.

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he said, "The Fed needs clear market

signals as unfiltered as possible

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from market internals, the level and

change of asset price, prices across

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sectors, the prices and trading volumes

of Treasury securities, the foreign

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exchange value of the dollar, the cost

and availability of credit, and the

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price of a broad set of commodities.

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These and other indicators should

inform the Fed's near-term outlook,

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on economic activity and inflation

throughout the business cycle.

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They should also reveal the state of

broader financial conditions and the risks

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of uncertainties in the financial sector."

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Totally.

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But that's, that's the

whole point on Bessent.

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If Bessent's gonna get in there

and, you know, throw a stick in the

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spokes of the treasury market, you're

not gonna get a clear read on those

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prices and those trading volumes and

what, what the markets think about,

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you know, the economy and the data.

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Like, it messes all that up.

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Not to mention the value of the dollar

because that, that's a part of it.

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Obviously, the cost and availability

of credit gets messed with if

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the Fed's going to cap yields.

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so it's just interesting to

read, read that in light of

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what just happened, obviously.

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He went on and said, "The

economic literature has long

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described the distorting effects,

a hall of mirrors problem.

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If markets rely materially on the Fed's

guidance and the Fed relies on market

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prices, we're all, all more likely

to be blinded to new developments,

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more likely to be caught unprepared

for a turn of events, and more likely

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to commit errors in policymaking."

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Of course, but if Scott Bessent's

gonna hold up a giant mirror

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in the hall of mirrors, I don't

understand how that helps.

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But again, hey, maybe this is why,

you know, there was a little bit

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of a war, if you think that it

was legit coming from Druck in,

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in that Wall Street Journal op-ed.

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he said-- he went on later to say,

"There should be no misunderstandings.

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The Fed's price stability objective is

two percent, as measured by the PCE.

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It's a firm fixed target.

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Let's be equally clear about

another aspect of the objective.

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Price stability is not self-executing, nor

is inflation necessarily mean-reverting.

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It's the Fed's job to

deliver stable prices."

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I mean, I could not agree with that more.

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Now, it's important to remember last,

in Ju- in July, he went kind of, kind

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of far out of his way to make it clear

he, he wanted to move away from PCE.

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So him, like, kinda stapling PCE to

your forehead here and, and kinda

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re-underwriting it, it was important.

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He, he threw it under the bus, and

I think the market didn't appreciate

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that, nor should it have, in my opinion.

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So the fact that he, like, kind

of re-underwrite it-- wrote it

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here to be like, "All right.

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Yes, maybe we'll change that later,

but for now, like, I-- yes, two

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percent PCE, that's the thing.

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and it's totally our job to deliver that."

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Great.

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But you've had two meetings

and you haven't raised rates.

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Now you're talking hawkish for

the, basically the third time.

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Are you gonna raise rates in September?

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And if not, then the market's gonna stop

listening to your tough talk, right?

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I thought that was forcefully hawkish

that he would go out of his way

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to, to, to say that, personally.

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But, you know 2.0%

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is the, is the target on PCE.

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It's running at three point seven.

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six-- I think six-month

annualizes even higher than that.

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So why aren't you hiking?

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Like, what are we talking about?

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Like…

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So again, you, you could

talk hawkish all day.

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You can, you can talk about hikes,

but if you're not gonna actually

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hike, then the market's really

gonna start having problems.

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He said short-term interest

rates are the predominant tool

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to achieve the dual mandate.

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Unconventional policies to spur

economic activity may suit genuine

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crises, but should otherwise

be used sparingly, if at all.

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To be very clear, the Treasury's

buyback policy, if they start

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doing that past liquidity, and

to do it as a price control, is

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obviously unconventional policy.

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It would be used if it's

currently not in a genuine crisis.

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that's obviously not sparingly.

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Like, if you got four percent inflation,

four percent unemployment, four percent

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growth, and you're doing unconventional

policy to spur economic, economic activity

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or to get rates down or both, I mean,

that could not fly any harder in the face

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of exactly what Warshaw's saying here.

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So to me, it's another shot across

the bow at, at what's going on, you

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know, at Treasury, but we'll see.

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He went on to say money matters, which I,

this whole passage I agree with in full.

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I just wanna make that clear.

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It's not fashionable these days, but

my view is that money has something

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important to do with monetary policy.

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We should pay attention to money created

by the central bank and money that comes

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from the banking and financial systems,

I would argue also from deficits.

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it's true the financial innovations and

other factors alter the mechanics that

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link the monetary base, the velocity

of money, and the broader economy.

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But that is scarcely a reason to

ignore the ultimate effects of money

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on financial conditions and prices.

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I really couldn't agree more.

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Like, the Fed just threw away

caring about money supply, years

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ago, and I think it's getting

import-- it's, it's important again.

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I, I think COVID showed that, that whole

era where, you know, the money supply

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took off, no one cared, it was transitory.

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Next thing you knew, you had

huge inflation, like duh.

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But the, the problem here for Warsh is

like you have money, money supply growing

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like kinda six to eight percent right now.

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So that's pretty, that's

pretty dang inflationary.

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So again, to use your own metrics

here, money supply is becoming

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its own problem, and it sounds

like Treasury would really like to

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goose lending from, from the banks.

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that'd be a giant money supply problem.

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Obviously, the, the budget deficit is a

giant money supply problem on its own.

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So if you get both kind of running at, you

know, close to full strength or, or above

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even, if you kinda think about it, money

supply would be a huge inflationary issue.

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So again, don't talk about it if you're

not willing to do something about it.

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and I, I'll go back to say him, him

like highlighting, hey, the policy

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rate is, is the most important thing.

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That's important because the…

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in July, he kinda made it sound with

his non-answers like maybe he didn't

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view the policy rate as the thing.

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It was like, "Oh, it's fine because

we can just use like long end yields

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to help us out," or, you know,

"Maybe we use the balance sheet.

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You know, we'll, we'll reduce

the balance sheet, and that'll

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fight inflation for us."

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Like, it seemed like he was

focused on non-policy rate stuff.

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So the fact that in this, in this

speech at least, he kind of, you know,

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really stamped how important the policy

rate is, and that was the main thing.

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That was important because again,

that, that puts all this emphasis

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on, okay, well then you better use

the policy rate since inflation's

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running almost twice your target.

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and in my opinion, not gonna

get any better anytime soon.

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he went on to say later that

credit and loan markets are showing

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few signs of policy restraint.

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That was important.

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So if you're telling me that,

that, you know, money and credit

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show-- don't show restraint, then,

then you're telling me that the

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policy rate is too low, obviously.

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So again, do something about it.

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Stop having, stop having

meetings where you don't hike.

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he said the jobless rate at four point

one percent was by historical standards

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has not changed, much for a couple years.

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Unemployment claims on a four-week

average, empirically robust

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real-time indicator are near

their lowest level in decades.

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So he, he basically went out of his way

to say, "Yeah, you're at full employment."

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So again, sounds like another

reason to, to, to hike, right?

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You got inflation running hot,

and you're at full employment.

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I don't…

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It's kind of obvious what

you're supposed to do there.

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He was talking about inflation.

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He said, "We, we also want to

understand not just the direction

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of travel, but also at the speed.

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Each of these broad inflation measures

has fallen significantly from their

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twenty twenty-two heights, but progress

over the past two years has been modest."

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That annoyed me 'cause there has been

no progress over the last two years.

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Inflation today is higher by a pretty

good margin than it was two years ago.

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So there's been less than modest,

progress because there's been no progress.

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you-- two years ago, PCE was two point

five nine, now it's three point seven.

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Like, stop.

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he said, "To try and gauge

underlying inflation, I find

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it instructive to disaggregate

the one hundred and ninety-nine

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individual components of the PCE.

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Over the last twelve months,

fifty-four percent of goods and

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services in the PCE basket show

price increases above three percent.

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This is well below the pre-pandemic

highs or the post-pandemic highs of

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seventy-seven percent, but it's well above

the level of thirty-two percent in the

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last twenty years before the pandemic."

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I, I totally agree with him here.

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Like, that's a-- it's a great

way of, of measuring inflation

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on a kinda thumb in the air way.

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Like, okay, just how much stuff is

like high and how much of it isn't?

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And whenever, you know, more than

half of the stuff you measure is above

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three percent, you're probably not

doing great on your two percent target.

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I don't, you know, that's

pretty obvious, but I like the

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simplicity of, of that measure.

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Now, obviously, you combine that

with all the other measures and

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to get that holistic picture, but

again, that screams hike, man.

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Like, so stop talking

about it and be about it.

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the last one I'll read from, from

his speech today, said, "It matters

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too whether the inflation readings

of the post-- past five years

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have seeped into expectations.

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The good news is that measures of

inflation expectations in the medium term,

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by and large, look stable, and inflation

compensation measures from the swaps

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market send a strong and similar message."

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One hundred percent.

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Like, I don't-- the inflationists

out there, like and I am one, big

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time, have to admit, like inflation

expectations are largely fine.

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Like, it's not scary.

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It's not bad.

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You know, sometimes when some of

us get carried away about how bad

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inflation is about to be, that may be

true, but it's not in expectations.

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and I think that gives the Fed some,

some, you know, some leeway to play

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this a little slower than I would like

to see from a pure policy standpoint.

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but what I will say is if he didn't

come out hawkish today, he stayed

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dovish, they didn't hike for the

next few months, and inflation was

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running above four, that-that's

where the expectations come in.

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Like, if you show that you're not

willing to, to fight inflation, the

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Treasury doesn't care, the Oval Office

doesn't care, Congress doesn't care,

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that's when all of a sudden the market

has to really do all the caring.

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and if you start holding yields down

while running it hot While inflation

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is above four, like, that would

be, like, the, the regime I think,

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especially after you've been well

above target for five, six years.

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Like, that would be the regime where

the expectations could just blow out.

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And that's one of those deals where

once, once those, you know, expectations

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jump the fence, it's, it's very hard to

catch them and put them back in the pen.

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So you just can't let them get out.

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and he paid good lip

service to that today.

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But again, you know, if you keep

talking tough and not hiking, eventually

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the market is going to, you know,

understand what you're doing, like,

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pick up on the game you're playing.

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that was it for me for, like, as

far as the Fed Treasury stuff.

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I think Bessent stepped in

it, but it, you know, it, it

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doesn't mean he can't kind of…

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If he just stops talking

about it, it'll go away.

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And, or if he kind of, like, puts

the toothpaste back in the tube

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by being, "Look, hey, I'll-- we're

just gonna do the liquidity stuff.

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I never said we're gonna do

the, you know, TGA, throwing the

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whole balance sheet at yields.

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Like, I'm not doing that.

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I'm just here to manage

liquidity problems.

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That's it."

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If he puts the toothpaste back in the

tube on that, then I think you're good.

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Then, you know, it's not yield

curve control just 'cause he

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doesn't like the price, like it

really, really looked come Monday.

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but we'll see.

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I mean, the ten-year just closed out

at four point seven two on the, on

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the week, basically at the highs,

up five basis points on the day.

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And I th-I thought you could get long

in yields down, if he was hawkish, but

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instead, you, you know, you, you, you

flatten, which is I guess decent, but

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even the thirty-year yield was up today.

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I would have guessed it would've been

down five basis points and it was

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up one, so, shows what I know on,

on that, on that from that angle.

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But, you know, you had, you had a week

where oil's down, so that, that's,

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that's very beneficial here short term.

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so if you get oil up five percent next

week and rates are up another ten,

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fifteen bips, like, what does he do?

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And what does he do about the yen?

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The yen's, like, right back

above one sixty to the dollar.

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you know, and, and you got rates not that

far away from five percent on the ten.

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Like, is he willing to just let

it go, or is he really gonna truly

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throw the balance sheet at, at this

because he doesn't like the price?

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We're all gonna have to find that one out.

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you know, for the end of this

week, gold got smacked because

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at least the Fed shows they care.

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Totally makes sense.

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Basically what I half

expected to happen today.

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but if you come in the next week or

the week after, you know, next couple

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of months, whatever, however you

wanna look at it, and inflation prints

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start really blowing out the long end

again, if Bessent comes to the rescue

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and buys a bunch just to keep yields

down, then you're right back to the,

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the debasement game being, being on.

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It's like when the car passes

by and you say, "Game on."

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That, that's where you'll be.

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So we'll just have to watch it,

you know, for the next few weeks,

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see what Bessent really does.

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For now, you have a Fed chair that

looks hawkish and looks like he

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actually means that he's going to

hike, in the next meeting or two.

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I would say the next meeting.

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but we'll have to see.

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But that's it for me this week.

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See y'all probably sometime

next week at some point.

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cheers.

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